Just kidding.
Now that I have your attention, anyone know anything new about the Tulsa Club Building?
Not cool!
Quote from: Nic Nac on February 16, 2010, 08:38:49 AM
Not cool!
Sorry, I'm by the building every day and I can't find any information about its fate.
Lofts@120 would know more than anyone.
P.S. Townsend - you better be wearing a cup next time I see you, otherwise you will pay dearly for the topic of this thread.
Quote from: sgrizzle on February 16, 2010, 09:46:36 AM
P.S. Townsend - you better be wearing a cup next time I see you, otherwise you will pay dearly for the topic of this thread.
poop yourself a little?
Quote from: Townsend on February 16, 2010, 09:56:24 AM
poop yourself a little?
I almost had a heart attack. Literally. MI. On the floor. Coded.
Scared me as well! I still think it's the perfect location for the Art Deco museum.
I think you should change the title of the thread. Having fake headlines hurts our credibility.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 16, 2010, 02:00:31 PM
I think you should change the title of the thread. Having fake headlines hurts our credibility.
Last thing I'd want to do.
Quote from: SXSW on February 16, 2010, 12:03:29 PM
Scared me as well! I still think it's the perfect location for the Art Deco museum.
Best idea I've heard all day
Quote from: SXSW on February 16, 2010, 12:03:29 PM
Scared me as well! I still think it's the perfect location for the Art Deco museum.
That's going to take some serious backers and donors to cover the monthly nut on that one unfortunately, but I do love the location.
Last I heard, the building was owned by someone out in California. He bought it, and went back West to let the building self demolish with time, or so someone somewhere said. From my understanding, this guy is pretty hard to track down.
Quote from: custosnox on February 16, 2010, 04:22:44 PM
Last I heard, the building was owned by someone out in California. He bought it, and went back West to let the building self demolish with time, or so someone somewhere said. From my understanding, this guy is pretty hard to track down.
They found him, they fined him, he sued and won a stay.
All I know.
The abundant Life building can go back to Hell but I want the Club building fixed dammit.
I heard Steve Kitchell purchased it from the owner.....
Quote from: Breadburner on February 16, 2010, 07:20:35 PM
I heard Steve Kitchell purchased it from the owner.....
Oh gawd, don't say that. That would be a fate worse then death for the building.
Quote from: Breadburner on February 16, 2010, 07:20:35 PM
I heard Steve Kitchell purchased it from the owner.....
He'd hire bouncers to kill anyone that breaks into it.
Lol...I was pulling your leg.....
Quote from: Townsend on February 17, 2010, 12:16:16 PM
He'd hire bouncers to kill anyone that breaks into it.
Or he'd spit on 'em.
Art Deco Museum on the first and second floors and loft apartments above with a killer penthouse where the actual Tulsa Club used to be...
(http://www.tulsapreservationcommission.org/images/buildings/tulsaclub.jpg)
This just in from the Tulsa World
"Depositions nearly done in litigation over building"
Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100218_11_A14_Deposi486266
http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/former-tulsa-club-building-owner-in-court (http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/former-tulsa-club-building-owner-in-court)
QuoteTULSA - An ongoing battle between the city of Tulsa and the owner of a vacant downtown building could be closer to the end.
The owner of the building best known as the old Tulsa Club building faces more than $300,000 in code violation fines according to code enforcement officials.
The city took him to court and was awarded that payment, but attorneys for the building owner filed a motion to set that decision aside.
Attorneys presented closing arguments on that issue Wednesday and a judge will decide September 1st.
"The building has been vacant since 1997, and since that time we have had numerous violations involving the building being continually unsecured. It's being maintained in violation of fire standards," said Harold Adair, City of Tulsa Code Enforcement Inspector.
The building owner did not return calls from 2NEWS Wednesday. City leaders say he is working with a developer on possible plans to renovate.
City leaders say he is working with a developer on possible plans to renovate.
That is encouraging. The Petroleum Club maybe?
Quote from: SXSW on August 26, 2010, 09:47:56 AM
City leaders say he is working with a developer on possible plans to renovate.
That is encouraging. The Petroleum Club maybe?
With his other property down the street sitting dead and empty, I believe the "plans to renovate" is a lie.
Quote from: Townsend on August 26, 2010, 09:51:01 AM
With his other property down the street sitting dead and empty, I believe the "plans to renovate" is a lie.
The Sinclair building isn't empty, just the storefront is. The office space is occupied, unless something has changed.
Yeah, he is working with Wil Wilkins, who occasionally shows it to people.
Quote from: swake on August 26, 2010, 10:09:25 AM
The Sinclair building isn't empty, just the storefront is. The office space is occupied, unless something has changed.
I apologize. I was under the impression it was empty.
cannon_fodder and I spotted this last week when we were at the opening of the Courtyard at the Atlas Bldg.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100929_11_0_Agemna532052
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Sale agreement reached on downtown Tulsa Club building
City has struggled for three years to get the current owner of the building, C.J. Morony of California, to address code violations at the vacant building.
By KEVIN CANFIELD World Staff Writer
Published: 9/29/2010 11:46 AM
Last Modified: 9/29/2010 12:08 PM
An agreement has been reached to sell the Tulsa Club building at 115 E. Fifth St.
The contract, signed earlier this month, calls for Jeffrey Scott, of Scott Realty Co. in Tulsa, to pay $1.1 million for the dilapidated building. Scott has paid $20,000 in earnest money, according to the contract.
City officials have struggled for three years to get the current owner of the building, C.J. Morony of California, to address code violations at the vacant building.
The city filed a nuisance abatement petition before Tulsa County District Judge Deborah Shallcross, who awarded a $331,815 default judgment to the city.
The decision allowed the city to file for foreclosure. That action is pending before Tulsa County District Judge Rebecca Nightingale.
Morony then filed a petition to vacate Shallcross' award on the default judgment, arguing that he wasn't properly served.
Shallcross' decision could come as early as today.
Morony's attorney, Jasen Corns, said Wednesday that he and his client "have worked hard for a year and a half to find a solution that would be fair to all parties and that would be a win for downtown.
"We hope that this deal serves that purpose."
Neither Scott nor an official from the city was available for comment Wednesday morning.
I say we throw Mister Scott a party!
Thank You Mister Scott wherever you may be!
So, I have a lot of questions that the article doesn't answer:
Does Moroney still have to pay the city for all the code violations?
Can he sign the contract/sell the property while this is being disputed in court?
Who's this Jeffrey Scott guy? From his website, it looks like he only deals with extremely suburban, car-centric, commercial properties & greenfield development.
http://www.scottrealty.net/index.asp (http://www.scottrealty.net/index.asp)
I guess I'm sterotyping suburban commercial developers, but it doesn't give me the warm fuzzy I'd like to have when considering the future of one of Tulsa's most significant architectural and historic buildings in downtown. (I guess almost anything is better than Moroney...the only good thing I can say about him is that he didn't raze the building for parking...)
Oh well, I've got my fingers crossed! Let's hope for an end to the Moroney impasse, and a bright new future for the Tulsa Club Building.
Quote from: PonderInc on September 29, 2010, 01:17:31 PM
So, I have a lot of questions that the article doesn't answer:
Does Moroney still have to pay the city for all the code violations?
Can he sign the contract/sell the property while this is being disputed in court?
Who's this Jeffrey Scott guy? From his website, it looks like he only deals with extremely suburban, car-centric, commercial properties & greenfield development.
http://www.scottrealty.net/index.asp (http://www.scottrealty.net/index.asp)
I guess I'm sterotyping suburban commercial developers, but it doesn't give me the warm fuzzy I'd like to have when considering the future of one of Tulsa's most significant architectural and historic buildings in downtown. (I guess almost anything is better than Moroney...the only good thing I can say about him is that he didn't raze the building for parking...)
Oh well, I've got my fingers crossed! Let's hope for an end to the Moroney impasse, and a bright new future for the Tulsa Club Building.
He paid what I consider a premium for the building in it's present state.
I hope this gets Mr. Moron, er um, Morony out of Tulsa for good.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 29, 2010, 01:24:44 PM
He paid what I consider a premium for the building in it's present state.
I hope this gets Mr. Moron, er um, Morony out of Tulsa for good.
Doesn't Moron own another building in downtown as well? I seem to recall someone mentioning it somewhere or another.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 29, 2010, 01:24:44 PM
He paid what I consider a premium for the building in it's present state.
I hope this gets Mr. Moron, er um, Morony out of Tulsa for good.
He still has the 5th and Main building.
Quote"However, the subject contract of sale of real estate does not mention the need to abate the existing nuisance violations, nor does it even refer to this pending lawsuit,"
Edmiston wrote.
Edmiston also states that no proposal has been made to the city in lieu of the ongoing litigation.
"The city has informed Mr. Corns that any reasonable proposal will be given respectful consideration, but, absolutely no settlement offer has been made by Mr. Morony."
I'm not quite all warm and fuzzy on this yet.
Anything is something though.
I wouldn't be too quick to judge. I would say Mr. Scott is likely purchasing it on behalf of someone, and is not himself the developer. He is also involved in the Tulsa Opera deal to purchase/trade the old Fire Station Numero Uno. This is all speculation of course.
Quote from: PonderInc on September 29, 2010, 01:17:31 PM
So, I have a lot of questions that the article doesn't answer:
Does Moroney still have to pay the city for all the code violations?
Can he sign the contract/sell the property while this is being disputed in court?
Who's this Jeffrey Scott guy? From his website, it looks like he only deals with extremely suburban, car-centric, commercial properties & greenfield development.
http://www.scottrealty.net/index.asp (http://www.scottrealty.net/index.asp)
I guess I'm sterotyping suburban commercial developers, but it doesn't give me the warm fuzzy I'd like to have when considering the future of one of Tulsa's most significant architectural and historic buildings in downtown. (I guess almost anything is better than Moroney...the only good thing I can say about him is that he didn't raze the building for parking...)
Oh well, I've got my fingers crossed! Let's hope for an end to the Moroney impasse, and a bright new future for the Tulsa Club Building.
Well the good news I've thought of is if they can fit 20 parking spots in place of the building and charge $75 a month for each one that's only $18,000 annually. That wouldn't be much of a return on a $1,000,000+ investment. Heck, even 30 spots is only $27,000.
Quote from: sgrizzle on September 29, 2010, 01:39:21 PM
He still has the 5th and Main building.
aka: the Sinclair Building
Jeff Scott was quoted in the paper this morning as saying he had no idea what he would do with it once he closes on it, only that it's not his intention to raze it. He'd like to figure out a way to renovate it.
"Scott said he did not intend to demolish the 11-story structure but that he was not sure what to do with it either.
"I know this has been something on everyone's mind and that the building had been allowed to malinger," he said. "What I am hoping is that I am able to find a way to return it to a productive building downtown."
Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=16&articleid=20100930_16_A1_CUTLIN891349
If downtown could use another hotel something like a Magnolia would be perfect for this building. Smaller, boutique-style hotel located in historic buildings in Dallas, Denver, Houston, Omaha and Bryan, TX.
http://www.magnoliahotels.com/brand.aspx (http://www.magnoliahotels.com/brand.aspx)
Quote from: SXSW on September 30, 2010, 03:08:04 PM
If downtown could use another hotel something like a Magnolia would be perfect for this building. Smaller, boutique-style hotel located in historic buildings in Dallas, Denver, Houston, Omaha and Bryan, TX.
http://www.magnoliahotels.com/brand.aspx (http://www.magnoliahotels.com/brand.aspx)
I agree. I stay at the Magnolia in downtown Houston all the time for work and it is a great hotel.
Quote from: SXSW on September 30, 2010, 03:08:04 PM
If downtown could use another hotel something like a Magnolia would be perfect for this building. Smaller, boutique-style hotel located in historic buildings in Dallas, Denver, Houston, Omaha and Bryan, TX.
http://www.magnoliahotels.com/brand.aspx (http://www.magnoliahotels.com/brand.aspx)
I e-mailed Magnolia Hotels after I posted this and they said they looked into the Tulsa Club 3 years ago and at the time the base price was not low enough to make up for the extensive work required to convert it to a hotel. Their assesment at the time also stated that they thought it would be hard to do as many rooms per floor as they would like to.
I've stayed in the Magnolia Houston and it is a great property.
Fire brought under control in Historic Tulsa Club building.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20101015_11_0_Afrsrg698010 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20101015_11_0_Afrsrg698010)
A fire that raged in the Tulsa Club building downtown early Friday was brought under control in little more than an hour after it was reported.
Two firefighters were taken by ambulance to a hospital, but both were in fair condition and neither had life threatening injuries, EMSA Public Information Officer Chris Stevens said.
One suffered from possible heat exhaustion, Tulsa Fire Department Public Information Officer Tim Smallwood said.
The upper floor of the historic highrise, which has been vacant for many years, was engulfed in flames when firefighters arrived, and they had to force their way into the building, Smallwood said.
"We came in on the first floor and hit every floor on fire and worked our way up," he said.
"Not knowing what was inside or what we were looking for, we took every precaution," he added.
The blaze was reported around 2:30 a.m., and Fire Department officials declared it a three-alarm fire at 2:50 a.m., Smallwood said. By 3 a.m, 12 fire crews were attacking the flames in the nine-story structure, with more crews on the way.
By 3:25 a.m., most of the flames had been extinguished, and Smallwood said the fire was declared under control about 3:40 a.m.
About 5 a.m.,
fire investigators were on scene beginning their inspection.
About 6 a.m., Tulsa Police were called to the building to direct early-morning downtown traffic as fire crews continue to investigate the fire.
Flames had been visible from the windows of the ballroom at the top of the long-vacant building and from the lower level, as well. Smallwood said the blaze was mostly mostly contained to the ballroom – which was gutted – and did not spread to other buildings.
He has not said whether the fire was suspicious. Multiple small fires have been extinguished in the vacant building over the past years.
Just Wednesday a Tulsa County judge ruled in favor of the city of Tulsa in a nuisance-abatement action regarding the Tulsa Club building.
District Judge Deborah Shallcross rejected a request by C.J. Morony of California, owner of the downtown building, to vacate a $331,815 default judgment awarded to the city in October 2008 after Morony did not respond to the city's nuisance abatement lawsuit in Tulsa County District Court.
City officials have struggled for years in efforts to get Morony to address code violations at the vacant building.
In December 2008, the city filed a foreclosure lawsuit against Morony. That case is unresolved.
The Tulsa World recently reported that Morony had found a buyer for the historic structure, but city officials said the deal did not put to rest the litigation between the city and the owner regarding code violations.
Jeffrey Scott of Scott Realty Co. in Tulsa said Sept. 29 that he had agreed to pay $1.1 million to Morony for the building. Scott said he did not intend to demolish the structure, according to a World report.
More information will be posted as it becomes available.
By JERRY WOFFORD World Staff Writer
Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20101015_11_0_Afrsrg698010
Quote from: Dana431 on October 15, 2010, 07:57:34 AM
Fire brought under control in Historic Tulsa Club building.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20101015_11_0_Afrsrg698010 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20101015_11_0_Afrsrg698010)
A fire that raged in the Tulsa Club building downtown early Friday was brought under control in little more than an hour after it was reported.
Two firefighters were taken by ambulance to a hospital, but both were in fair condition and neither had life threatening injuries, EMSA Public Information Officer Chris Stevens said.
One suffered from possible heat exhaustion, Tulsa Fire Department Public Information Officer Tim Smallwood said.
The upper floor of the historic highrise, which has been vacant for many years, was engulfed in flames when firefighters arrived, and they had to force their way into the building, Smallwood said.
"We came in on the first floor and hit every floor on fire and worked our way up," he said.
"Not knowing what was inside or what we were looking for, we took every precaution," he added.
The blaze was reported around 2:30 a.m., and Fire Department officials declared it a three-alarm fire at 2:50 a.m., Smallwood said. By 3 a.m, 12 fire crews were attacking the flames in the nine-story structure, with more crews on the way.
By 3:25 a.m., most of the flames had been extinguished, and Smallwood said the fire was declared under control about 3:40 a.m.
About 5 a.m.,
fire investigators were on scene beginning their inspection.
About 6 a.m., Tulsa Police were called to the building to direct early-morning downtown traffic as fire crews continue to investigate the fire.
Flames had been visible from the windows of the ballroom at the top of the long-vacant building and from the lower level, as well. Smallwood said the blaze was mostly mostly contained to the ballroom – which was gutted – and did not spread to other buildings.
He has not said whether the fire was suspicious. Multiple small fires have been extinguished in the vacant building over the past years.
Just Wednesday a Tulsa County judge ruled in favor of the city of Tulsa in a nuisance-abatement action regarding the Tulsa Club building.
District Judge Deborah Shallcross rejected a request by C.J. Morony of California, owner of the downtown building, to vacate a $331,815 default judgment awarded to the city in October 2008 after Morony did not respond to the city's nuisance abatement lawsuit in Tulsa County District Court.
City officials have struggled for years in efforts to get Morony to address code violations at the vacant building.
In December 2008, the city filed a foreclosure lawsuit against Morony. That case is unresolved.
The Tulsa World recently reported that Morony had found a buyer for the historic structure, but city officials said the deal did not put to rest the litigation between the city and the owner regarding code violations.
Jeffrey Scott of Scott Realty Co. in Tulsa said Sept. 29 that he had agreed to pay $1.1 million to Morony for the building. Scott said he did not intend to demolish the structure, according to a World report.
More information will be posted as it becomes available.
By JERRY WOFFORD World Staff Writer
Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20101015_11_0_Afrsrg698010
Very sad. It looks like the building will be very hard to save now.
The city needs to sue the owner(s) for all these fire calls.
Quote from: swake on October 15, 2010, 08:20:56 AM
Very sad. It looks like the building will be very hard to save now.
The city needs to sue the owner(s) for all these fire calls.
Lawsuits are going well so far. Been suing him for two years to lock the friggin fire escape and that hasn't worked.
The structure may still be just fine. It doesn't look any worse than it did after the last fire.
I wonder what'll happen with the guy with the $20,000 earnest money.
Maybe we just need to put a steam generator on top of it and let all the fires generate electricity for the city.
FFS.
Quote from: EricP on October 15, 2010, 09:03:16 AM
Maybe we just need to put a steam generator on top of it and let all the fires generate electricity for the city.
FFS.
I know someone who sells steam generators ;)
While I realize it's ultimately up to the property owner to secure the building, it seems the city has a $330K interest in it as well, so I'm rather surprised they have not completely secured the structure. If it's a matter of bums getting on the fire escape then weld the damn thing in place where people cannot access it. It's obvious the owner isn't going to do anything about the nuisance, but how many more times does the city care to go out and put out fires and put firefighter's lives at risk? I can't imagine permanent solutions to keep people out of the builiding are that complicated or costly, at least not in comparison to the cost of putting out fires.
What is that smell? Is that smoke? Or is that the smell of Tulsa's newest Parking Lot!
I smell something fishy
Abandoned Oklahoma recently posted a piece with numerous pictures from inside the Tulsa Club Building.
http://www.abandonedok.com/tulsa-club-building/
it isn't in as bad of shape as I thought it would be
Sadly, not surprised by any of the photos. I wish someone would come along and save the building.