Is this Reid's "macaca" moment?
QuoteSenate Majority Harry Reid (D-NV) apologize for privately referring to Barack Obama early in his presidential campaign as a "light-skinned" African American "with no Negro dialect," as recounted in the forthcoming book Game Change.
Reid's statement: "I deeply regret using such a poor choice of words. I sincerely apologize for offending any and all Americans, especially African Americans, for my improper comments. I was a proud and enthusiastic supporter of Barack Obama during the campaign and have worked as hard as I can to advance President Obama's legislative agenda."
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/01/09/reid_apologizes_for_private_remarks_on_obama.html?utm_medium=pwire.us-twitter&utm_source=direct-pwire.us&utm_content=site-basic
Other than a poor choice of words, nothing to see here.
Quote from: patric on January 10, 2010, 01:42:43 PM
Other than a poor choice of words, nothing to see here.
Absolutely, especially that whole "double standard" thing.
I didn't realize "negro" was a racial slur.
Odd that you expect someone to lose his or her job over something said two years ago that was very similar to what Joe Biden said..... "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," he said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."
George Allen, on the other hand.....
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=macaca
macaca
Common French racist slur. Meaning and use is similar to English '******,' and is used to described non-European (Arab and Black) North Africans. It was in particularly prevelant use during French occupation of Northern Africa. The term has been showing up with increasing frequency as a racial slur on racist websites and chatrooms.
In considering the controvery of whether Senator George Allen truly knew the meaning of the word in his infamous August 11, 2006 outburst, it is significant to note that his mother and numerous relatives are ethnic French expatriates of Tunisia in North Africa.
"This fellow here, over here with the yellow shirt, macaca, or whatever his name is. He's with my opponent. He's following us around everywhere. And it's just great . . . Let's give a welcome to macaca, here. Welcome to America and the real world of Virginia." -- Sen George Allen refering to S.D. Sidarth while campaingning in rural Virginia, Ausgust 20006.
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George Allen didn't resign and wasn't forced to... he lost an election.
If the people think it's an important issue enough to vote for the other guy because of it, then it's important.
If enough people think Harry Reid was being racist, then they may vote for the other guy.
Democracy.... it's what's for dinner.
SNL skit coincidence:
http://www.hulu.com/embed/_1qtxnGs6FMmEo4Ul4Ltzg
Harry Reid should resign, but not for these comments. They were stupid, but he quickly apologized and Obama accepted.
Hary Reid is ineffective as the leader of the Senate, and has trouble keeping democrats on board on key legislation.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on January 10, 2010, 05:11:35 PM
Harry Reid should resign, but not for these comments. They were stupid, but he quickly apologized and Obama accepted.
Hary Reid is ineffective as the leader of the Senate, and has trouble keeping democrats on board on key legislation.
So maybe Democrats aren't as stupid as their leadership thinks. One can always hope.
Quote from: USRufnex on January 10, 2010, 02:41:28 PM
I didn't realize "negro" was a racial slur.
Odd that you expect someone to lose his or her job over something said two years ago that was very similar to what Joe Biden said..... "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," he said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."
George Allen, on the other hand.....
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=macaca
macaca
Common French racist slur. Meaning and use is similar to English '******,' and is used to described non-European (Arab and Black) North Africans. It was in particularly prevelant use during French occupation of Northern Africa. The term has been showing up with increasing frequency as a racial slur on racist websites and chatrooms.
In considering the controvery of whether Senator George Allen truly knew the meaning of the word in his infamous August 11, 2006 outburst, it is significant to note that his mother and numerous relatives are ethnic French expatriates of Tunisia in North Africa.
"This fellow here, over here with the yellow shirt, macaca, or whatever his name is. He's with my opponent. He's following us around everywhere. And it's just great . . . Let's give a welcome to macaca, here. Welcome to America and the real world of Virginia." -- Sen George Allen refering to S.D. Sidarth while campaingning in rural Virginia, Ausgust 20006.
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George Allen didn't resign and wasn't forced to... he lost an election.
If the people think it's an important issue enough to vote for the other guy because of it, then it's important.
If enough people think Harry Reid was being racist, then they may vote for the other guy.
Democracy.... it's what's for dinner.
Let's apply a similar standard. George Allen was not the Senate Majority Leader. Trent Lott
was:"I want to say this about my state. When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years either."
Trent Lott was pressured to step down from GOP leadership over this comment. There was nothing overtly racist about it, nor stereotypical, nor any sort of evidence that it had anything to do with Thurmond running in the Segregationist Party. For all anyone knows he could have been thinking of fiscal policies.
How can anyone not see that Democrats are allowed to scream "racism" or "racial stereotype" at any comment with the slightest racial overtone, and it has to be dealt with severely, yet if Republicans call it, it's summarily dismissed.
Still high irony that a former kleagle in the kkk (sorry can't capitalize anything to do with that pathetic organization) has a home in the Democrat party as one of it's most admired Senators.
"I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds. " — Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944
I forget, that's different.
Neither slip raises to a firing offense in my mind. That said, Reid apologized to -- and received a pass from -- our first sitting black President. Trent Lott didn't have anyone to give him a pass.
Also, Reid is a Democrat and Lott is a Republican. Therefore Reid automatically gets the benefit of the doubt. Lott didn't and doesn't.
Is it fair? Maybe, maybe not. It's not a double standard if you take into consideration the history both parties have with black Americans. Republicans have a pretty lousy reputation and have for years. Democrats just don't (though we might disagree about whether or not it's deserved). So of course it's going to be viewed as a minor slip if Democrats do it, and a window into the deep dark soul of the GOP if Republicans do it.
Hilariously enough, Michael Steele is the first real sign of "outreach" on behalf of Republicans to black America in the modern era. And just as we were saying in that other thread about gay Republicans, it's hard to join a coalition that won't try to combat the perception that it actively hates black people (cf. Kanye).
Also, I'm not a citizen of West Virginia, so I can't vote Byrd out of office. Was he wrong to be a part of the Klan? Absolutely. Did he also filibuster the Civil Rights Act of 64? Yep. Has he apologized for both? Yep. He did an interesting thing, IMO: he realized that being a Dixiecrat was a political dead end, and he started voting with mainstream Dems, round about '68.
I know that a lot of purity types around here will brand that flip-floppery, but I like the idea that a racist could reform himself and start doing right. It certainly doesn't erase his Klan participation from history, but it does show that he's capable of change.
Quote from: we vs us on January 11, 2010, 12:44:57 PM
Also, I'm not a citizen of West Virginia, so I can't vote Byrd out of office. Was he wrong to be a part of the Klan? Absolutely. Did he also filibuster the Civil Rights Act of 64? Yep. Has he apologized for both? Yep. He did an interesting thing, IMO: he realized that being a Dixiecrat was a political dead end, and he started voting with mainstream Dems, round about '68.
I know that a lot of purity types around here will brand that flip-floppery, but I like the idea that a racist could reform himself and start doing right. It certainly doesn't erase his Klan participation from history, but it does show that he's capable of change.
Then there's this gem from the reformed Byrd:
Offensive speech shouldn't lead to a resignation, it should serve to put people on notice. Id prefer more open and potentially offensive speech from representatives. Better to know what they really think.
That said, at least his comment about obamas dialect/dicta was just a statement of fact. A person speaking ebonics would not get elected. Nor a southern drawl or any other negatively percieved accent. I don't know about the 'light skinned' comment, I must not have compared obama to other peoples skin color very accurately (darker than mccain or hillary, somewhere short of eddie murphy?).
Wevus, thanks for the input and acknowledging there is a double standard.
One has to wonder though, how much contrition there is in Sen. Byrd's heart about his old kkk days and how much was political expediency.
"As recently as 1997, he told an interviewer he'd encourage young people to become involved in politics, but with this warning: 'Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena."'
http://www.opencongress.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd
Kind of an odd comment, as if that's the only reason one should avoid a misguided hate-mongering group of pinheads.
Quote from: Conan71 on January 11, 2010, 01:58:53 PM
Wevus, thanks for the input and acknowledging there is a double standard.
One has to wonder though, how much contrition there is in Sen. Byrd's heart about his old kkk days and how much was political expediency.
"As recently as 1997, he told an interviewer he'd encourage young people to become involved in politics, but with this warning: 'Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena."'
http://www.opencongress.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd
Kind of an odd comment, as if that's the only reason one should avoid a misguided hate-mongering group of pinheads.
Almost sounds like that instead of being remorseful of being in that club, he was more remorseful about people finding out about it.
Oh, wait a minute...he IS in politics...or at least was at the time. THAT explains it.
There is no double standard. That is a partisan term only used to falsely justify the other side are hypocrites.
Reid will be forced to resign his post even there is no evidence, no recording of him ever saying this. This is just words in a new book thrown out by a guy who is on a book tour.
I don't doubt Reid is an idiot, but this is pretty weak reason to bring him down. I would prefer to emasculate people for far better reasons.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on January 11, 2010, 02:29:54 PM
There is no double standard. That is a partisan term only used to falsely justify the other side are hypocrites.
Reid will be forced to resign his post even there is no evidence, no recording of him ever saying this. This is just words in a new book thrown out by a guy who is on a book tour.
I don't doubt Reid is an idiot, but this is pretty weak reason to bring him down. I would prefer to emasculate people for far better reasons.
How did you feel about the emasculation of Trent Lott for similar reasons?
Lott made stupid comments about Strom Thurman. Most of the pressure for him to resign came from his own party, as will be the case this time.
Reid will give up his leadership post...I will bet you a Marshall's six pack on it.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on January 11, 2010, 02:37:42 PM
Lott made stupid comments about Strom Thurman. Most of the pressure for him to resign came from his own party, as will be the case this time.
Reid will give up his leadership post...I will bet you a Marshall's six pack on it.
Reminds me to check if Big Jamokes still exist at Ranch Acres...oh, wait a minute, what topic was that we were talking about thread drift??
;D
Quote from: Conan71 on January 11, 2010, 01:58:53 PM
Wevus, thanks for the input and acknowledging there is a double standard.
One has to wonder though, how much contrition there is in Sen. Byrd's heart about his old kkk days and how much was political expediency.
"As recently as 1997, he told an interviewer he'd encourage young people to become involved in politics, but with this warning: 'Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena."'
http://www.opencongress.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd
Kind of an odd comment, as if that's the only reason one should avoid a misguided hate-mongering group of pinheads.
I think there's a difference in context, not a double standard. What I'm saying is, what Reid said is different than what Lott said. I don't think they're the same. I also think speech depends on the speaker. Reid represents a different ideology than Lott, hence he will get a pass because of who and what he represents. Lott, because of who is, didn't. Double standard, to me, implies unfair treatment, and while as I said I don't think either man should be deposed for offensive speech, I think a proportional response makes some sense.
Also: why do we demand that our politicians believe absolutely in everything they're voting for? What do I care if Byrd personally hates black people, so long as he votes like he doesn't? In his case, you can actually look back and see a political change, and even though he wavers on what he "really" thinks about his Klan days (which, I might point out, happened 70 years ago), he's built up, IMO, an ample firewall against whatever evil he accomplished back in the 1930's as a Kleagle or a Grand Cyclops or whatever.
I understand that personal integrity has a premium, but why should it get in the way of judging performance?
To me that's about like saying:
"I like David Duke because he believes we need to bring our troops home. Sure he's a mis-guided individual and hates Jews and blacks, but I love his stance on the war."
What's wrong with picking standard-bearers who actually believe in what they legislate?
Quote from: Conan71 on January 11, 2010, 02:31:42 PM
How did you feel about the emasculation of Trent Lott for similar reasons?
There's a difference between talking awkwardly about race, and advocating racist policies. Not very similar at all really.
Quote from: azbadpuppy on January 11, 2010, 05:07:21 PM
There's a difference between talking awkwardly about race, and advocating racist policies. Not very similar at all really.
More like people simply jumping to conclusions about what someone's comments meant. You know that Sen. Lott was advocating separationist or racist comments for certain, exactly how?
Kind of like drawing the conclusion that Sen. Coburn was asking conservatives to pray that Sen. Byrd would die.
Can you honestly say that if this had been a Republican or conservative talking head that made the comments Sen. Reid did that you wouldn't feel it was an outright racist comment toward President Obama?
Quote from: azbadpuppy on January 11, 2010, 05:07:21 PM
There's a difference between talking awkwardly about race, and advocating racist policies. Not very similar at all really.
Yep. It all depends on intent. Trent Lott was/is an avowed segregationist, and Reid is not. Simple as that.
An uncommonly sensible assessment ...
Whitaker couldn't even bring himself to accurately repeat what Harry "the war is lost", Reid said. Reid said "Negro" dialect not "ethnic" dialect. I also loved how Whitaker explained what Lott meant in such specific detail when speaking of Strom Thurmond, as if he had any real idea. Typical bias in the media. Here is an admittedly biased response to a Whitaker article fawning over Obama:
http://www.aim.org/on-target-blog/mark-whitakers-bout-of-obamania/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+OnTargetBlog+%28On+Target+Blog+-+Accuracy+In+Media%29
Quote from: Conan71 on January 11, 2010, 06:08:54 PM
More like people simply jumping to conclusions about what someone's comments meant. You know that Sen. Lott was advocating separationist or racist comments for certain, exactly how?
Kind of like drawing the conclusion that Sen. Coburn was asking conservatives to pray that Sen. Byrd would die.
Can you honestly say that if this had been a Republican or conservative talking head that made the comments Sen. Reid did that you wouldn't feel it was an outright racist comment toward President Obama?
The only similarities are that they are/were majority leaders and they both said something pertaining to a racial issue.
The Republican Party's recent history on race issues speaks for itself (not to mention Sen. Lotts own 'race' history). Thusly, racially insensitive comments made by a Republican would most certainly be judged differently from racially insensitive comments made by a Democrat. And that's before we even judge the content and context of the comments, which, in this case, were very different.
Quote from: guido911 on January 11, 2010, 06:32:29 PM
Whitaker couldn't even bring himself to accurately repeat what Harry "the war is lost", Reid said. Reid said "Negro" dialect not "ethnic" dialect. I also loved how Whitaker explained what Lott meant in such specific detail when speaking of Strom Thurmond, as if he had any real idea. Typical bias in the media. Here is an admittedly biased response to a Whitaker article fawning over Obama:
http://www.aim.org/on-target-blog/mark-whitakers-bout-of-obamania/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+OnTargetBlog+%28On+Target+Blog+-+Accuracy+In+Media%29
Dig deeper ...
Quote from: guido911 on January 11, 2010, 06:32:29 PM
Whitaker couldn't even bring himself to accurately repeat what Harry "the war is lost", Reid said. Reid said "Negro" dialect not "ethnic" dialect. I also loved how Whitaker explained what Lott meant in such specific detail when speaking of Strom Thurmond, as if he had any real idea. Typical bias in the media. Here is an admittedly biased response to a Whitaker article fawning over Obama:
http://www.aim.org/on-target-blog/mark-whitakers-bout-of-obamania/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+OnTargetBlog+%28On+Target+Blog+-+Accuracy+In+Media%29
It's like you used Right Wing Google and posted the first thing on the hit list, regardless of merit. What a piece of poo.
Quote from: we vs us on January 11, 2010, 11:21:53 PM
It's like you used Right Wing Google and posted the first thing on the hit list, regardless of merit. What a piece of poo.
Like the right-wing version of FOTD. He's the yin to his yang..or something like that.
It's kinda like point/counterpoint.
Quote from: we vs us on January 11, 2010, 11:21:53 PM
It's like you used Right Wing Google and posted the first thing on the hit list, regardless of merit. What a piece of poo.
Yep. Attack the messenger and don't even bother to address the points of a well-reasoned argument.
But if guido wants to defend the remarks of a segregationist who was so dumb that President Bush and Karl Rove pushed him out of the leadership post, let him. I'm sure history will be kind ... not.
Quote from: Hoss on January 12, 2010, 01:47:51 AM
Like the right-wing version of FOTD. He's the yin to his yang..or something like that.
It's kinda like point/counterpoint.
He and FOTD are probably lovers ... like Matalin and Carville, acting as hatchet-wielders for their respective parties.
Quote from: rwarn17588 on January 12, 2010, 07:15:07 AM
Yep. Attack the messenger and don't even bother to address the points of a well-reasoned argument.
But if guido wants to defend the remarks of a segregationist who was so dumb that President Bush and Karl Rove pushed him out of the leadership post, let him. I'm sure history will be kind ... not.
You brought this messenger into this debate and this guy in defending Reid intentionally changed the wording of Reid's comment to soften the impact. There is no need to go any further to address his "well-reasoned argument." And to the Obama reach-arounders, you were a bit late to this thread this time. Gettin sloppy.
Quote from: Conan71 on January 11, 2010, 06:08:54 PM
More like people simply jumping to conclusions about what someone's comments meant. You know that Sen. Lott was advocating separationist or racist comments for certain, exactly how?
Face it conan, Lott acted stupidly and Reid did not.
"Any suggestion that the segregated past was acceptable or positive is
offensive, and it is wrong. Recent comments by Senator Lott do not reflect the spirit of our country."- President George W. Bush.
Even Bush seemed to know what Sen. Lott meant by his remarks.
It seems some people here have a very selective memory on Lott's storied history with racial and civil rights issues.
Here's an article published in 1992 which outlines Lott's many statements, activities and involvements regarding his "embracing of all things Confederate":
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/208
It is lengthy, but some of the highlights are:
* In 1981, when he was lending his prestige as a member of the US Congress to an effort to preserve the tax-exempt status of Bob Jones University -- the notorious South Carolina college that was under fire for prohibiting interracial dating -- Lott insisted that, "Racial discrimination does not always violate public policy."
* Despite the fact that he represents the state with the largest percentage of African-American citizens in the US, Lott has throughout his career been an active supporter of the Sons of the Confederacy, a group that celebrates the soldiers who fought to defend the "right" of Mississippians to own African-Americans as slaves." Lott even appears in recruitment videos for the group.
* Speaking at a 1984 convention of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, Lott declared that "the spirit of Jefferson Davis lives in the 1984 Republican Platform."
* Lott gave the keynote address at a 1992 national executive board meeting of the Council of Conservative Citizens, a successor organization to the old white Citizens Councils, segregation-era groups the Southern Poverty Law Center refers to as "the white-collar Ku Klux Klan." The C of CC may have changed its name, but it remains a passionate "white racialist" group that condemns intermarriage, integration and immigration by non-whites.
Trent Lott is an avowed separatist, and any attempt to tie similarities between his actions and Reid's is purely partisan B.S.
Personally, I think Reid is a tool and should step down, but for many other reasons than this recent awkward and foolish statement.
I also think that the 'double-standard' allegations need to stop. It is embarrasing for the Republican party (and for all Americans for that matter) and further underscores the callous, unsympathetic stance that the GOP has taken in regards to civil rights issues.
The double standard extends to dem on dem:
http://www.breitbart.tv/the-last-time-a-white-democrat-commented-on-obamas-campaign-and-race/
Okay, summarizing here, because I want to make sure I get this straight:
This IS different because Reid is a Democrat and our 1/2 black President gave him a pass. Reid shouldn't be forced to step down over racially-insensitive comments even though that was the appropriate for a previous Senate GOP majority leader due to pressure from within his OWN party.
Reid should only step down for being an incompetent boob.
No wonder there is a racial divide in this country. So long as liberals think they've got some sort of lock on racial tolerance and that all registered republicans are racially biased, racism will always have a place in America.
Does it bother anyone else that a doddering and senile former kkk leader is third in line for POTUS?
Quote from: Conan71 on January 12, 2010, 10:45:30 AM
Okay, summarizing here, because I want to make sure I get this straight:
This IS different because Reid is a Democrat and our 1/2 black President gave him a pass. Reid shouldn't be forced to step down over racially-insensitive comments even though that was the appropriate for a previous Senate GOP majority leader due to pressure from within his OWN party.
Reid should only step down for being an incompetent boob.
No wonder there is a racial divide in this country. So long as liberals think they've got some sort of lock on racial tolerance and that all registered republicans are racially biased, racism will always have a place in America.
Does it bother anyone else that a doddering and senile former kkk leader is third in line for POTUS?
It's not different because Reid is a Democrat, it's different because comparing their statements, combined with the context and content, is like comparing apples to oranges. Reid, by all accounts is not a racist. Lott, by all accounts, is. No one said ALL Republicans are racist, but the one being used in
this comparison certainly has shown by his actions that he is.
Quote from: Conan71 on January 12, 2010, 10:45:30 AM
Does it bother anyone else that a doddering and senile former kkk leader is third in line for POTUS?
Umm, didn't you hear, Byrd has reformed himself, "white ni##ers" comment excluded of course. Let me explain how this double standard thing works. If you are a republican and make any comments that can be construed as racist years ago, there is no reforming them. But be a dem that belonged to an organization that burnt churches of the African Americans population, murdered them, and committed who knows whatever atrocities, well that person becomes the "conscience of the Senate".
Quote from: guido911 on January 12, 2010, 01:31:20 PM
Umm, didn't you hear, Byrd has reformed himself, "white ni##ers" comment excluded of course. Let me explain how this double standard thing works. If you are a republican and make any comments that can be construed as racist years ago, there is no reforming them. But be a dem that belonged to an organization that burnt churches of the African Americans population, murdered them, and committed who knows whatever atrocities, well that person becomes the "conscience of the Senate".
My bad. I keep forgetting: "That's different!"
Spank me.
Please.
Quote from: guido911 on January 12, 2010, 01:31:20 PM
Umm, didn't you hear, Byrd has reformed himself, "white ni##ers" comment excluded of course. Let me explain how this double standard thing works. If you are a republican and make any comments that can be construed as racist years ago, there is no reforming them. But be a dem that belonged to an organization that burnt churches of the African Americans population, murdered them, and committed who knows whatever atrocities, well that person becomes the "conscience of the Senate".
Oh jeezus....
You'd think by now there could be some civil discussion here on hate and racism....but that's too much to ask from this pity party.
Believe it or not, Barack and Michele Obama are changing the very structure that supports racism.
Even Guido will find "them" acceptable and even if it is in January of 2017 or later...
"you don't have to be black to be a ni##er." Dick Gregory 1964
Quote from: FOTD on January 12, 2010, 03:30:03 PM
Believe it or not, Barack and Michele Obama are changing the very structure that supports racism.
How?
signed: Typical White Person
Quote from: guido911 on January 12, 2010, 04:19:31 PM
How?
By erasing "that" view of being different.
Everything from gay marriage to an expanding global economy will set the stage for big attitude and social changes in the future. You'll be a minority yourself someday. You'll be technologically miniaturized making it even more difficult to see what lies behind your moniker and the lines you draw in a virtual sand. And you'll have to be patient and watch this continuing evolution as racism gives way to class ism.
The Obama's don't need to be seen going to church, or having cocktails, or walking the beach in the state he was born, or working an organic garden, or playing golf, or even attending a Broadway show for people to perceive them as authentic or to witness any of their actions and habits as different from the rest of our society.
Quote from: guido911 on January 12, 2010, 04:19:31 PM
How?
signed: Typical White Person Dork
Guido, why the need for you to puff yourself up?
I just love these quotes from those loving dems:
http://www.ihatethemedia.com/20-great-moments-in-liberal-bigotry
Quote from: RecycleMichael on January 10, 2010, 05:11:35 PM
Harry Reid should resign, but not for these comments. They were stupid, but he quickly apologized and Obama accepted.
Hary Reid is ineffective as the leader of the Senate, and has trouble keeping democrats on board on key legislation.
Spot on!
Mr. Reid has been very destructive to the Democrat party. Now is his opportunity to bow out and blame it on something silly rather than admitting his hand in dividing his party through poor leadership. It’s the same opportunity that presented itself to Lott.
The question is:
Will Reid give up his seat for the good of the party as Lott did? . . . or is his hunger for power, at the expense of his constituency (and the country in this case), more important?
Quote from: Gaspar on January 15, 2010, 03:29:14 PM
The question is:
Will Reid give up his seat for the good of the party as Lott did? . . . or is his hunger for power, at the expense of his constituency (and the country in this case), more important?
Hmmm. Lott gave up his seat "for the good of the party?"
Silly me for thinking he was pushed out by Karl Rove...
Yeah, that Harry Reid sure acts like a power hungry pol.... ::)
http://www.issues2000.org/SENATE/Harry_Reid.htm
Michelle Obama: Harry Reid has 'no need to apologize'By Lisa Mascaro · January 13, 2010 · 2:31 PM
http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/early-line/2010/jan/13/michelle-obama-harry-reid-has-no-need-apologize/
Quote from: Conan71 on January 12, 2010, 10:45:30 AM
Does it bother anyone else that a doddering and senile former kkk leader is third in line for POTUS?
No. That is, unless you know something I don't about the future intentions of the tea-party movement. 8)
Because never in the history of our country has the Pres, VP and Speaker of the House died in office.
But it would bother me an awful lot if Harry Reid made a statement that this country would be a much better place if Sen. Byrd (or George Wallace) had been elected president instead of JFK or LBJ.
In fact, I'd demand Harry Reid resign immediately if he made such an outrageous statement.
But he didn't.
Trent Lott, however, made a statement that this country would be a much better place had Strom Thurmond been elected president in 1948 (on a segregationist dixiecrat platform)...... a President Thurmond could have vetoed that pesky Civil Rights Act of 1957.... but it was Senator Thurmond who broke the record for the longest one-person filibuster in history to keep it from becoming law. Damn the luck...
Trent Lott: Great moments in black GOP historyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtq7GKIKEX4
Here's the quote:
"I want to say this about my state. When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years either."
Quote from: guido911 on January 12, 2010, 04:19:31 PM
How?
signed: Typical White Person
By relegating petty, kneejerk, racist tit-for-tat to the dustbin of history.
signed: Real American
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords.asp
Quote from: USRufnex on January 17, 2010, 04:12:28 PM
signed: Real American
hahahahahahahahaha.
Should read:
Signed: Official Obama Reach-Arounder
I have my inauguration invitation.
I am proud to have supported Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton and John McCain.
I was disappointed when Obama wasn't "black enough" to beat out Bobby Rush for a southside house seat.
He's not my messiah, he's a politician.
I enjoy the irony when your hatred of Obama and his supporters becomes as visceral as those liberals who hated Reagan and his supporters back in the day....
I found this pretty funny re: Reid and how unemployed men become abusive:
(http://www.thenoseonyourface.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/HARRYREIDWIFE.jpg)
http://www.thenoseonyourface.com/conservative-satire/harry-reid-launches-new-vote-for-me-or-the-wife-gets-it-campaign/
Not worthy of its own thread, so I put this latest Reid gem here
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/reid-oconnor-wasnt-a-judge-either-except-she-was-93601289.html
I am beginning to think Reid wants to challenge Biden as biggest buffoon in Washington.
I wonder if Harry and Roscoe Turner are drinking out of the same still
Reid simply can't help himself w/ his race issues:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/40948.html
Most pathetic CYA of the day:
"Sen. Reid's contention was simply that he doesn't understand how anyone, Hispanic or otherwise, would vote for Republican candidates because they oppose saving teachers' jobs, oppose job-creating tax incentives for small businesses, oppose investments in job-creating clean energy projects, and oppose the help for struggling, unemployed Nevadans to put food on the table and stay in their homes," read the statement."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/40948.html#ixzz0wKi8w300
According to Reid, two of the greatest living Americans are Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/10/08/reid_greatest_living_americans_are_robert_byrd_and_ted_kennedy.html
Calling Reid a buffoon is an insult to buffoonery.