How did you vote today
Mayor
Independent - Lawrence Kirkpatrick
I didn't care for the other three, a pedo sympathizing democrat, a tax and spend republican and a anti-2nd amendment nut. So one mayor may be soft on crime, another may try to tax us more and other may try to push for some anti-2nd amendment ordinances(which I do not think is legal at the city level but it may not stop him from trying). I do not know anything about Kirkpatric.
Auditor
Republican - Preston Doerflinger
Maybe we need someone new.
City Council
district 3
Republican - Karl Hulcher
I voted for Roscoe Turner and when the issue of passing the ordinance to require police verify the legal status of those they arrest came up he voted against playing the race card and making some crock of smile excuse that Hispanics may feel that they could get deported for reporting a crime.
Then I voted for David Patrict last time and he allowed the mayor to give money to a Bank, allowed a bum shelter to be built at yale and admiral and a few other things
Proposition 1
Shall the existing charter of the City of Tulsa, as heretofore amended, be further amended to require that any person filing for and holding the office of city auditor must be a certified public accountant or certified internal auditor?
I voted against this.We didn't need this before.
Proposition 2
Shall the charter of the City of Tulsa be amended to provide that city councilors will serve for three-year terms, which shall be staggered so that no more than three council districts will have an election in any one year?
I voted against this. I think if anything is need it is term limits.No more than two times maybe three as a city councilor
Proposition 3
“Shall the charter of the City of Tulsa be amended to require that before any claim or lawsuit where the demand is equal to or greater than $1 million ($1,000,000) may be settled both the mayor and the city council must agree to the settlement?”
I vote for this. I think the amount however should be lower because a million is a smile load of money but so is a 500,000 and a 100,000. Every penny the tax payers give to the city is important.
Quote from: jamesrage on November 10, 2009, 09:56:57 AM
How did you vote today
Mayor
Independent - Lawrence Kirkpatrick
I didn't care for the other three, a pedo sympathizing democrat, a tax and spend republican and a anti-2nd amendment nut. So one mayor may be soft on crime, another may try to tax us more and other may try to push for some anti-2nd amendment ordinances(which I do not think is legal at the city level but it may not stop him from trying). I do not know anything about Kirkpatric.
Dude. I have a bridge to sell you. It'll be really cheap! PM me.
Adelson, Gomez (last minute switch from Barnes, though I still like both candidates), Wood, and Against on all three propositions.
Wow, Jamesrage.
Your methods of logic and reasoning make me laugh.
You are either a parody or someone who shouldn't be allowed sharp objects.
Turoby,
Gomez does not support the neighborhoods, Adelson does. I guess you voted for gridlock.
Adelson, Wood, Bynum,--NO on all three charter amendments
Mayor: Perkins. Mostly because he isn't the other two . . . who I know very little about except what the hate about the other candidates. When in doubt, vote 3rd party.
City Counsel: Not Bynum. Nothing against him, but he hasn't excited me. Since he will likely win reelection with ease . . . so keep him on his toes.
Auditor: Preston. The other guy has made a career of it and done OK, time for some new blood. If the two options appear to be a wash, I usually vote the guy out of office.
(That's one independent, one republican, and one democrat)
Propositions:
1) FOR requirements for city auditor. What should the standards for Tulsa, a $600,000,000 a year entity, be lesser than small corporations? If you don't understand auditing, you very well may be missing things while supervising the cities finances.
2) Against staggered city counsel positions. I only want to hear about politics every now and then, not constantly. Additionally, I fear that a staggered term would allow the standing counselors to beat the newcomers into line . . . no matter how bad the voters want change.
3) FOR requiring approval to give away $1,000,000. That's a lot of money and I don't want a potential despot to be able to pay off their cronies in a lawsuit. Face it, in Tulsa the mayor is likely very wealthy and ingrained with other very wealthy people in town. If the city is in a large financial dispute with a company, the odds are very good significant local interest are at play. And those interests have a high likelihood of involving the direct finances of friends and acquaintances of the mayor. It would be only natural to want to side with your friends, if not on a corruption level at least on the level of giving them the benefit of the doubt. I hope the city attorney & outside counsel can advise the city counsel on the best course of action (if the best course of action is "legally we don't owe the money" then I hope we don't pay it without getting something back).
I'm curious about the numbers. Anyone look at their number when voting? I like to wait until after 12 to vote, to see how many people voted in the morning.
I voted at 7:20 and was # 36 at the Ranch Acres precinct.
Adelson
Wood
Henderson is my councilman and had no Republican opponent (that's one the reasons why I live where I live)
Yes
No
No
Lifelong Democrat
Proud Liberal
Native Tulsan
Looked like a light turnout very early this morning.
Only 143 at noon at my place.
No
Yes
NO
I was 10th at 7:05, district 4
I wrote in RM for all offices.
Quote from: jamesrage on November 10, 2009, 09:56:57 AM
How did you vote today
Mayor
Independent - Lawrence Kirkpatrick
I didn't care for the other three, a pedo sympathizing democrat, a tax and spend republican and a anti-2nd amendment nut. So one mayor may be soft on crime, another may try to tax us more and other may try to push for some anti-2nd amendment ordinances(which I do not think is legal at the city level but it may not stop him from trying). I do not know anything about Kirkpatric.
You do know Perkins has more guns than Rambo, a lifetime hunting license, and never said one word about limiting any type of firearm?
Good to know blatant lies work on some people.
We can do write-ins? I went to school with Perkins from K-9th, really nice guy.
Quote from: sgrizzle on November 10, 2009, 12:56:46 PM
You do know Perkins has more guns than Rambo, a lifetime hunting license, and never said one word about limiting any type of firearm?
Good to know blatant lies work on some people.
Having firearms does not make someone a 2nd amendment advocate. If you support infringements such as registrations, permits/licenses, waiting periods, limits on weapons, finger print submission for ammo or firearms, magazines size restrictions, back ground checks or anything else that basically requires you to ask the government for permission to exercise that right then you are no 2nd amendment proponent. I am sure the Chinese government has all kinds of firearms however it doesn't make them 2nd amendment proponents.
Quote from: jamesrage on November 10, 2009, 09:56:57 AM
district 3
Republican - Karl Hulcher
I voted for Roscoe Turner and when the issue of passing the ordinance to require police verify the legal status of those they arrest came up he voted against playing the race card and making some crock of smile excuse that Hispanics may feel that they could get deported for reporting a crime.
Then I voted for David Patrict last time and he allowed the mayor to give money to a Bank, allowed a bum shelter to be built at yale and admiral and a few other things
The Council has no say on whether or not a Judgement payment can or should be made. They are basically restricted to rubber stamping the payment by saying there is money to pay it.
That might change based on the charter changes on today's ballots.
Quote from: jamesrage on November 10, 2009, 01:22:02 PM
Having firearms does not make someone a 2nd amendment advocate. If you support infringements such as registrations, permits/licenses, waiting periods, limits on weapons, finger print submission for ammo or firearms, magazines size restrictions, back ground checks or anything else that basically requires you to ask the government for permission to exercise that right then you are no 2nd amendment proponent. I am sure the Chinese government has all kinds of firearms however it doesn't make them 2nd amendment proponents.
There is not one thing in his platform that suggests Perkins supports any of those things.
Are those voices in your head lying to you again?
Quote from: brianh on November 10, 2009, 01:13:14 PM
We can do write-ins? I went to school with Perkins from K-9th, really nice guy.
No, no write-ins in Oklahoma.
Quote from: jamesrage on November 10, 2009, 01:22:02 PM
Having firearms does not make someone a 2nd amendment advocate. If you support infringements such as registrations, permits/licenses, waiting periods, limits on weapons, finger print submission for ammo or firearms, magazines size restrictions, back ground checks or anything else that basically requires you to ask the government for permission to exercise that right then you are no 2nd amendment proponent. I am sure the Chinese government has all kinds of firearms however it doesn't make them 2nd amendment proponents.
Again, none of the above is true.
Quote from: sgrizzle on November 10, 2009, 01:59:25 PM
Again, none of the above is true.
No, I'm pretty sure the Chinese government has many firearms.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on November 10, 2009, 02:10:58 PM
No, I'm pretty sure the Chinese government has many firearms.
They're plastic toys. Why do you think they can sell them over here so cheap? Quantity.
James, i have had the privilege to meet Kirkpatrick, twice. I hope you get the chance to see personally what a waste of time you exercised voting for him. Tickatickatickatickaticka :) I you have met him you know what that is all about.
There were 150 at my precinct as of 1:30 (p. 47). That's not too far from what it was in 2006. I had suspected it would be much lower.
Quote from: jamesrage on November 10, 2009, 01:22:02 PM
Having firearms does not make someone a 2nd amendment advocate. If you support infringements such as registrations, permits/licenses, waiting periods, limits on weapons, finger print submission for ammo or firearms, magazines size restrictions, back ground checks or anything else that basically requires you to ask the government for permission to exercise that right then you are no 2nd amendment proponent. I am sure the Chinese government has all kinds of firearms however it doesn't make them 2nd amendment proponents.
I'm been upset ever since they infringed on my right to own a car, by requiring me to carry a license AND insurance, as well as tag/registration. (Not to mention the minimum age and sobriety requirements.)
Before you know it, there won't be any cars left in America!
Quote from: sgrizzle on November 10, 2009, 02:14:38 PM
They're plastic toys. Why do you think they can sell them over here so cheap? Quantity.
With lead paint too
Quote from: PonderInc on November 10, 2009, 04:23:36 PM
Before you know it, there won't be any cars left in America!
That's OK, there won't be any place to park them.
I was #437 at my precinct.
323 at mine at TCC South campus.
Adelson, Wood, Yes, No, Yes.
I was number 293. Not bad for our precinct.
Adelson
Barnes
Wood
Yes
No
No
Did KOTV call it for Batlett?
I was 107 at my precinct at about 5:00
Adelson concedes.
Quote from: TulsaSooner on November 10, 2009, 08:11:25 PM
Adelson concedes.
This result is quite obviously a repudiation of Obama's policies (NJ/Va. redux).
Quote from: PonderInc on November 10, 2009, 04:23:36 PM
I'm been upset ever since they infringed on my right to own a car, by requiring me to carry a license AND insurance, as well as tag/registration. (Not to mention the minimum age and sobriety requirements.)
Before you know it, there won't be any cars left in America!
Not a valid comparison,there is no constitutional right to drive a car.
Perkins- Don't even need to re-hash why I did this. I was so turned off with Dewey and Tom. He was somewhat of an unknown, seemed earnest, and was the least owned of the three real candidates. I think Mark could have won it if he'd had a few more weeks and about $250K more to spend.
Yes I did change candidates. Adelson turned out to just not be cut out for a mayoral campaign. I don't think he's got a hope now of successfully defeating Sullivan or beating Coburn, or winning Inhofe's seat when he retires (which I suspect this is his last term). This congressional district and the state as a whole is so anti-Obama, he could never win a seat especially after correcting a talk show host that he'd donated almost $100K to the Obama campaign. Tom is a good man, but I think he got some HORRIBLE campaign advice and lost his temper at the wrong time a few times.
Gomez- that was not an easy choice, I think either candidate has done well as a D-4 councilor. Unfortunately neither of them have mastered the duality of downtown interests vs. very active neighborhood HOA like K-W, Renaissance, Florence Park, Lortondale, etc. well enough to keep everyone happy. I should have suspected more trouble for Eric after seeing Rocky Frisco's numbers in the primary. Eric might come off as a little slick for some people because he does like to talk, whereas Maria seems to have a little more depth of thought instead of prepared statements. I also don't think it helped Gomez with the whole Liz Wright TMAPC controversy in the last week. That shed a bad light on developers and Gomez is in commercial real estate. JMO.
Wood- I feel Wood has done a good job as auditor and I was introduced to him by Recyclemichael at Tom Adelson's mayoral campaign announcement and found him to be a geniunely nice fellow. I think I've voted for him every city election I've voted in. I can see though, that with the recently-released outside audit of Public Works that it might be time for different leadership for this role in city gov't.
Yes
No
Yes
Quote from: jamesrage on November 10, 2009, 09:56:57 AM
Mayor
I didn't care for the other three, a pedo sympathizing democrat, a tax and spend republican and a anti-2nd amendment nut. So one mayor may be soft on crime, another may try to tax us more and other may try to push for some anti-2nd amendment ordinances(which I do not think is legal at the city level but it may not stop him from trying). I do not know anything about Kirkpatric.
I know where you got your
misconception about Adelson, but I'm just dying to know what Perkins has ever said or did that would indicate that he is an anti-second amendment nut.
my votes went:
Perkins, for pretty much the same reasons as Conan already stated
Mautino, because I think it is time for a changing of the guard, and to be honest, I don't care too much for Troyer (though I had to laugh at his mailer where he claimed one of the things he did in the past two years was make it illegal to give teens alcohol)
Wood, primarily due to ignorance. I neglected to do any research on the Auditor candidates (I know, shame on me) so I went with the name I had heard the least of on commercials. If nothing else, that meant that he would owe less people favors when the election was over (at least favors for campaign reasons)
On the propositions, my reasons pretty much parallel CF's, so no reason to rehash those.
I was 246 at about 4:00. What I don't understand is why I pass another polling location as I'm going from my home to my polling location...
Quote from: waterboy on November 10, 2009, 02:39:07 PM
James, i have had the privilege to meet Kirkpatrick, twice. I hope you get the chance to see personally what a waste of time you exercised voting for him. Tickatickatickatickaticka :) I you have met him you know what that is all about.
He drove an ice cream truck for my brother in the 1980's. Nuttier than squirrel turds.
Quote from: FOTD on November 10, 2009, 12:44:23 PM
Only 143 at noon at my place.
No
Yes
NO
Didn't vote for any of the humans on the ballot?
I voted for Adelson and Wood (losers) and Barnes for city council (winner.)
I voted yes on questions 1 & 3, no on question 2.
All in all, 50% of what I voted for passed, 50% lost.