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Title: Out of Date Dealer Tags-What to do?
Post by: Aa5drvr on November 06, 2009, 01:58:42 PM
If one drives through the parking lots of the apartment complexes along 71st street between Riverside and Lewis, one would notice a significant number of dealer "demo" tags that are least 60 days beyond their expiration date.
I took a photo of one such example. 
I dont want to hear about budget shortfall if I have to buy my tags and these people dont.

Title: Re: Out of Date Dealer Tags-What to do?
Post by: Conan71 on November 06, 2009, 02:10:08 PM
Quote from: Aa5drvr on November 06, 2009, 01:58:42 PM
If one drives through the parking lots of the apartment complexes along 71st street between Riverside and Lewis, one would notice a significant number of dealer "demo" tags that are least 60 days beyond their expiration date.
I took a photo of one such example. 
I dont want to hear about budget shortfall if I have to buy my tags and these people dont.



They pay a pretty good penalty for their laziness.
Title: Re: Out of Date Dealer Tags-What to do?
Post by: TeeDub on November 06, 2009, 03:30:52 PM

There are tickets the police could write as well...

But hey, that would require they actually visit the higher crime areas.
Title: Re: Out of Date Dealer Tags-What to do?
Post by: Patrick on November 09, 2009, 08:54:06 AM
I believe they will have to pay a penalty when they finally get around to registering their vehicle.  It was something like $0.25 per day past due.  I believe it went up this summer to $1 per day.

I guess they can also be subject to tickets for expired registration?
Title: Re: Out of Date Dealer Tags-What to do?
Post by: Hoss on November 09, 2009, 09:25:08 AM
Quote from: Patrick on November 09, 2009, 08:54:06 AM
I believe they will have to pay a penalty when they finally get around to registering their vehicle.  It was something like $0.25 per day past due.  I believe it went up this summer to $1 per day.

I guess they can also be subject to tickets for expired registration?

Isn't there a grace period before the fines kick in?  I remember from my youngers days it being the month after expiration, then the fines would start to accumulate.  I wonder if this latest change to the fine also eliminated the grace period.
Title: Re: Out of Date Dealer Tags-What to do?
Post by: Aa5drvr on November 09, 2009, 03:44:56 PM
....and when these cars cross back into Mexico, they dont need no steenking license plates.....

Ill bet the delay in getting a tag has something also to do with the need for insurance.

For scofflaws, its probably just cheaper to run the risk of having neither and from the looks of it, never being the subject of anyone checking diligently anyway.
Title: Re: Out of Date Dealer Tags-What to do?
Post by: sgrizzle on November 09, 2009, 08:12:46 PM
Quote from: Hoss on November 09, 2009, 09:25:08 AM
Isn't there a grace period before the fines kick in?  I remember from my youngers days it being the month after expiration, then the fines would start to accumulate.  I wonder if this latest change to the fine also eliminated the grace period.

You have 30 days from the date on the tag, and then you have another 30 days grace period.
Title: Re: Out of Date Dealer Tags-What to do?
Post by: TeeDub on November 09, 2009, 11:31:11 PM

I guess why should the police bother to enforce laws on poor people.   If they don't have the money to get a tag, they probably don't have the money to pay the ticket either.

Besides, if they spend more time in the lower income areas, they might get in trouble for profiling.   

Title: Re: Out of Date Dealer Tags-What to do?
Post by: nathanm on November 10, 2009, 07:14:41 AM
You really think it's a good use of police resources to drive around apartment complexes trolling for expired tags? Should they also be trolling your neighborhood?

I think it's fine for them to deal with it as they are seen on the road.

For all I know the cars in question aren't being driven anyway. (Not that Oklahoma law has any distinction regarding whether or not the unregistered vehicle has been driven, stupidly enough)
Title: Re: Out of Date Dealer Tags-What to do?
Post by: kylieosu on November 10, 2009, 08:06:22 AM
I saw a temporary tag dated 8/8/09 on my way to work this morning.....that's just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Out of Date Dealer Tags-What to do?
Post by: Hoss on November 10, 2009, 08:42:47 AM
Quote from: kylieosu on November 10, 2009, 08:06:22 AM
I saw a temporary tag dated 8/8/09 on my way to work this morning.....that's just ridiculous.

I see em older than that.  I know of two that are older than 30 days parked where I work this very minute.
Title: Re: Out of Date Dealer Tags-What to do?
Post by: OpenYourEyesTulsa on November 10, 2009, 11:00:00 AM
I have heard of people I used to work with taking a black marker and changing the dates on the paper tags.  I guess they find creative ways of changing a 7 into a 9, etc.

My girlfriend was pulled over on the way to the tag agency to get her tag done.  A cop pulled her over and got a tow truck to haul her car away and thought she was lying about going to the tag agency.  She talked the tow truck driver into taking her to the tag agency anyway.  The tag agency people pulled off the paper tag and the plate underneath still had 4 months left on it since it was a used car.  The cop did not even check.  The tow truck guy let her car loose but charged her $50.  She had to go to court to get the ticket dismissed and they told my girlfriend that cop would give his own mother a ticket.  Some cops are just on a power trip.

Moral of the story...  Pay your tag on time.
Title: Re: Out of Date Dealer Tags-What to do?
Post by: TeeDub on November 10, 2009, 11:19:32 AM
Quote from: OpenYourEyesTulsa on November 10, 2009, 11:00:00 AM

Moral of the story...  Pay your tag on time.

Sounds to me like the moral of the story is, put it off until you actually get a ticket, then when you fight the ticket in court, you will win.

No wonder we have such problems in this world.
Title: Re: Out of Date Dealer Tags-What to do?
Post by: OpenYourEyesTulsa on November 11, 2009, 08:14:03 AM
Quote from: TeeDub on November 10, 2009, 11:19:32 AM
Sounds to me like the moral of the story is, put it off until you actually get a ticket, then when you fight the ticket in court, you will win.

No wonder we have such problems in this world.

I think normally the court would fine you but in my girlfriend's case, they dismissed it because the tag under the paper tag was still valid.  They just threw in the part about the cop giving his own mother a ticket because the cop did not believe my girlfriend was going to the tag agency and called a tow truck.  If my girlfriend just pulled off the paper tag or went to the tag agency earlier the whole thing would have been avoided.
Title: Re: Out of Date Dealer Tags-What to do?
Post by: Conan71 on November 11, 2009, 02:11:11 PM
They would not have towed her unless her tag was 90+ days past due.  This is a state law.  If you don't pay your tag on time you are essentially being a tax scofflaw, that's why they started the tow-away program.  It doesn't matter that the existing tag on the vehicle had 4 more months left on it.  Your girlfriend assumed a tax liablility when she bought the car and the underlying tag is irrelevant. 

As to the other post- People altering tags with magic markers still won't alter the title or MSO paperwork with the tag agency, they will still collect the fines when you pay up.

I'm not bashing your GF, just stating facts.  I bet she learned her lesson.
Title: Re: Out of Date Dealer Tags-What to do?
Post by: MDepr2007 on November 13, 2009, 05:52:31 PM
Here's more spin to why to keep a paper tag.
The owners will trade them back in or have them repossed with no intention to getting a tag.

You also have to have insurance to get your tag. A high number will not bother to buy insurance.

Cops can't identify you because there is no information on a dealer tag .