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Title: Time lasped US map of jobs gained/lost 2004 to 2009
Post by: GG on October 16, 2009, 12:59:49 PM
http://tipstrategies.com/archive/geography-of-jobs/?fark

click on start button upper left of map.

Interesting to see Tulsa jobs grow and disappear.  

Sad to see jobs grow and disappear around the country.
Title: Re: Time lasped US map of jobs gained/lost 2004 to 2009
Post by: cannon_fodder on October 19, 2009, 09:57:54 AM
Very cool map.  Tulsa is fairly consistent in marching on with job growth right up until the end, when the job losses are minimal.   Interesting to see the areas of the country that had the biggest booms are now seeing the biggest busts, makes sense I guess.
Title: Re: Time lasped US map of jobs gained/lost 2004 to 2009
Post by: FOTD on October 19, 2009, 03:34:44 PM
%20 unemployment....don't fall for the governments' lies...
Title: Re: Time lasped US map of jobs gained/lost 2004 to 2009
Post by: guido911 on October 20, 2009, 09:24:50 AM
Love that quote at the end of your last post about what a "true patriot" is. Just the sort of definition that would presumably include the likes of you. Those veterans buried at Arlington or those fighting in Afghanistan/Iraq are dorks.

As for the map, I agree with CF. Here's a story claiming that 1 in 7 are in poverty in the U.S.:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091020/ap_on_re_us/us_poverty

Hope and change on display.
Title: Re: Time lasped US map of jobs gained/lost 2004 to 2009
Post by: cannon_fodder on October 20, 2009, 09:28:51 AM
My favorite part, Guido, is that he wholly fails to understand the metric he is criticizing.  The government isn't claiming that their unemployment number is a reflection of the total number of people without jobs.  It's simply saying "under these guidelines and criteria, this is the statistical number of unemployed."  Which is, of course, the only way to ascertain meaningful data.

Or, of course, we could just go with the "yeah, probably about 20%" method.  I'm sure it has sound statistical methods, economic theory, and sampling supporting it.   :)
Title: Re: Time lasped US map of jobs gained/lost 2004 to 2009
Post by: FOTD on October 20, 2009, 04:07:33 PM



Hope and change on display, 60 years ago....


Title: Re: Time lasped US map of jobs gained/lost 2004 to 2009
Post by: FOTD on October 20, 2009, 04:18:45 PM
They want us to believe unemployment is only 9.8% when it's really closer to 20%...

Revised formula puts 1 in 6 Americans in poverty
"The level of poverty in America is even worse than first believed."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091020/ap_on_re_us/us_poverty


The official unemployment rate now is 9.8 percent, while the number of those who have given up looking for work or are underemployed stands at an appalling 26 million workers.

Title: Re: Time lasped US map of jobs gained/lost 2004 to 2009
Post by: cannon_fodder on October 21, 2009, 10:16:14 AM
Quote from: FOTD on October 20, 2009, 04:18:45 PM
The official unemployment rate now is 9.8 percent, while the number of those who have given up looking for work or are underemployed stands at an appalling 26 million workers.

See, the definition of "unemployment" used by the government is PEOPLE LOOKING FOR WORK.  It isn't "people who might want a job."  Ergo, it does not, by definition, include people not seeking work.

Do you understand that?  You need a definition when collecting statistics and "people looking for work" is the one that is used.  It always has been.

It isn't a grand conspiracy.  It's the definition used to stratify the data.  If you are interested in total employment numbers, they have that data available too.  They aren't hiding it.  You can do the math and find out how many jobs there are and how many Americans there are.

And using "underemployed" as a guideline is a total farce.  It is an subjective standard - not appropriate for statistical analysis.  I, as well as everyone else who pays attention, know that there are many people who are underemployed and that some workers are disillusions and no longer looking for work . . . but that doesn't change the definition of unemployed.

If you want economists to use a different definition for "unemployed" then start a campaign to change the definition.  But the "they want us to believe" crap is pure ignorance.  And thanks for the display.
Title: Re: Time lasped US map of jobs gained/lost 2004 to 2009
Post by: Conan71 on October 21, 2009, 02:33:15 PM
Hmmm, I should be categorized as "underemployed' I guess.  See, I'd like to be making $1mm a year, but I'm falling short.  I swear I'm worth every penny!  Ergo, I'm underemployed.
Title: Re: Time lasped US map of jobs gained/lost 2004 to 2009
Post by: PonderInc on October 21, 2009, 05:02:00 PM
The map is interesting, and, I suppose, encouraging for Tulsa.

Here's another graphic from the TIP Strategies website.  (They are, if I remember correctly, a subcontractor to the PLANiTULSA team responsible for economic development and economic modeling related to the Comp Plan.)

(http://tipstrategies.com/wp-content/themes/tip/i/tip-economic-development_f01.jpg)
Title: Re: Time lasped US map of jobs gained/lost 2004 to 2009
Post by: FOTD on October 21, 2009, 05:09:14 PM
Pretty....but education s/b our number one resource....
Title: Re: Time lasped US map of jobs gained/lost 2004 to 2009
Post by: TURobY on October 21, 2009, 09:29:32 PM
Quote from: FOTD on October 21, 2009, 05:09:14 PM
Pretty....but education s/b our number one resource....

My guess is that education would fall under the "talent" umbrella.
Title: Re: Time lasped US map of jobs gained/lost 2004 to 2009
Post by: PonderInc on October 22, 2009, 04:08:44 PM
You could also say it falls under "focus on the community" or "quality of place."  No matter how you categorize it, it's true: good schools are critical.
Title: Re: Time lasped US map of jobs gained/lost 2004 to 2009
Post by: sauerkraut on October 25, 2009, 02:30:43 PM
According to Saturday's Tulsa World, Tulsa is #5 in the nation with a strong economy and OKC is #3. Omaha is also doing good while the rest of the nation suffers under 10% unemployment. :-X