Yet another case of things getting out of hand.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,566341,00.html
Quote
Oregon Apartment Complex Bans Flying the American Flag
Wednesday, October 14, 2009
Oregon apartment complex is banning its residents from flying American flags, not only from their dwellings but also their vehicles, KATU in Portland reported.
Residents' outrage started when Jim Clausen, whose son is in the military and on his way back to Iraq, was told he couldn't fly an American flag from the back of his motorcycle.
If he didn't take the flag down, he was told he'd face eviction, the station reported.
"It floored me," Clausen told the station. "I can't believe she was saying what she was saying. It [the flag] stands for the people that can no longer stand - who died in wars. That's why I fly the flag."
Sharron White, a long-time resident, was told by management to take down the flag she's flown on her car for eight years because "someone might get offended."
"I just said to her, 'They'll just have to get over it,'" White told the station.
The ban also applies to flag stickers on cars, as well as sports flags.
KATU attempted to contact management at the apartment complex, but no one returned their calls.
Leave it to fox to be behind the clock on reporting that it was resolved
http://www.katu.com/news/local/64059697.html
This does not lessen the fact that the American flag apparantly offend some who live here.
Quote from: custosnox on October 14, 2009, 05:31:14 PM
Leave it to fox to be behind the clock on reporting that it was resolved
http://www.katu.com/news/local/64059697.html
This does not lessen the fact that the American flag apparantly offend some who live here.
The flag offends very few compared to the number who feel offended by POTUS OBAMA's election.
Quote from: FOTD on October 14, 2009, 05:34:32 PM
The flag offends very few compared to the number who feel offended by POTUS OBAMA's election.
The flag is a symbol, Obama is a person that holds a position. The position itself is the symbol, not the man. A small differance, but a differance none the less.
After my knee jerk reaction on this subject, I had to stop and think about it for a moment. I wonder how much of this is the result of a problem of someone being offended by ANOTHER flag, say a Mexico flag, and an incident arrose from that. Put in that light, I can start to see why the managment would decide to ban ALL flags. It does not make the decision the correct one, but it puts a new perspective on it.
Apparently you can also offend people by being a republican with breasts
http://www.freep.com/article/20091015/BLOG36/91015014/1115/ENT05/McCain-daughter-s-pic-causes-stir
Quote from: sgrizzle on October 15, 2009, 09:46:31 AM
Apparently you can also offend people by being a republican with breasts
http://www.freep.com/article/20091015/BLOG36/91015014/1115/ENT05/McCain-daughter-s-pic-causes-stir
Palin's running mates?
Quote from: Townsend on October 15, 2009, 09:55:10 AM
Palin's running mates?
I see your misogyny condition is still raging. Whattamatter T, not breast fed long enough as a baby? Got size issues? Lemme help. It is okay if women make more money than you, are more popular than you, and do more for the country than you.
For those of you who don't click the links:
"After receiving negative feedback from the picture from her night in, McCain recoiled, saying she might quit the popular social networking site.
"When I am alone in my apartment, I wear tank tops and sweat pants, I had no idea this makes me a 'slut', I can't even tell you how hurt I am," McCain tweeted."
Oh boo-hoo Megan might take her breasticles and quit Twitter.
Attention whore.
Quote from: guido911 on October 15, 2009, 10:31:17 AM
I see your misogyny condition is still raging. Whattamatter T, not breast fed long enough as a baby? Got size issues? Lemme help. It is okay if women make more money than you, are more popular than you, and do more for the country than you.
Ohhhh, it's OK guido. Keep trying. You'll understand some day.
You can do it.
Quote from: guido911 on October 15, 2009, 10:31:17 AM
I see your misogyny condition is still raging. Whattamatter T, not breast fed long enough as a baby? Got size issues? Lemme help. It is okay if women make more money than you, are more popular than you, and do more for the country than you.
He has you there T... I don't think you could EVER come close to matching what Palin did for this country by quitting.
Quote from: Trogdor on October 15, 2009, 11:00:31 AM
He has you there T... I don't think you could EVER come close to matching what Palin did for this country by quitting.
I've heard that positive reinforcement helps with issues like these. So I think we should all say nice supportive things to Guido when we can.
Quote from: Trogdor on October 15, 2009, 11:00:31 AM
He has you there T... I don't think you could EVER come close to matching what Palin did for this country by quitting.
First, I was speaking about women in general, not just Palin. More to the point, never have I seen so many beta males (only because I do not know if "omega" males is an accepted expression) obsessed with belittling a specific female, one who: was a former vice presidential candidate who McCain admitted was largely responsible for the over 50 million votes they got, former governor, wife and mother of five, best selling author and someone without a national office who is able through freakin Facebook affect policy. Other than you and a few others here, I think only Keith Olbermann spends more time bashing Palin.
Second, the last thing anyone should read are two of TN's Hardly boys, you and T, playing band aid with each other. Really, one of you gets knocked, the other provides the first aid as if to show some sort of united and numerous indignation. Is Olbermann in your little clique?
Steve Schmidt: Palin 2012 Would be "Catastrophic" Pick
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/02/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5358500.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/02/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5358500.shtml)
QuoteCalling Sarah Palin a potentially "catastrophic" choice for the 2012 GOP presidential nominee, John McCain's former chief campaign strategist Steve Schmidt said today the Republican party needs to look more toward the center.
"I think she has talents, but my honest view is that she would not be a winning candidate for the Republican party in 2012," he said. "Were she to be the nominee, we could have a catastrophic election result."
Quote from: Townsend on October 15, 2009, 12:26:30 PM
Steve Schmidt: Palin 2012 Would be "Catastrophic" Pick
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/02/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5358500.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/02/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5358500.shtml)
Yeah, may be a disaster for '12 but she looks totally HAWT in that photo!
I don't think she's got enough support in the primaries. She's going to get crucified over quitting the Governor's job. Amazing how much the party animals cannibalize each other in the primaries then kiss and make up in time for the convention.
I'll grant her this: she's gaining valuable experience in public speaking, but honestly, I don't see where her she has any more relevant experience to lead the country than our current President did prior to taking office. I really don't even see her as a VP candidate again. She should become a pundit and sit back and enjoy life.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 15, 2009, 12:36:24 PM
Yeah, may be a disaster for '12 but she looks totally HAWT in that photo!
I don't think she's got enough support in the primaries. She's going to get crucified over quitting the Governor's job. Amazing how much the party animals cannibalize each other in the primaries then kiss and make up in time for the convention.
I'll grant her this: she's gaining valuable experience in public speaking, but honestly, I don't see where her she has any more relevant experience to lead the country than our current President did prior to taking office. I really don't even see her as a VP candidate again. She should become a pundit and sit back and enjoy life.
Agreed. She is very effective being a complete outsider. Where did those death panels go?
Quote from: Conan71 on October 15, 2009, 12:36:24 PM
Yeah, may be a disaster for '12 but she looks totally HAWT in that photo!
Sad that this is what they are counting on....FOTD wouldn't do her. Coco? Certainly. Hard up?
Quote from: FOTD on October 15, 2009, 12:43:16 PM
Sad that this is what they are counting on....FOTD wouldn't do her. Coco? Certainly. Hard up?
Nope, Conan isn't hard up and doesn't do other people's wives. Bad karma.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 15, 2009, 10:49:10 AM
For those of you who don't click the links:
"After receiving negative feedback from the picture from her night in, McCain recoiled, saying she might quit the popular social networking site.
"When I am alone in my apartment, I wear tank tops and sweat pants, I had no idea this makes me a 'slut', I can't even tell you how hurt I am," McCain tweeted."
Oh boo-hoo Megan might take her breasticles and quit Twitter.
Attention whore.
I wouldn't say that is accurate because she isn't the one who made a big deal of it. You'll notice the author of the story makes a point that she "hadn't even removed the photo"
Quote from: Conan71 on October 15, 2009, 12:56:09 PM
Nope, Conan isn't hard up and doesn't do other people's wives. Bad karma.
Smart....wouldn't want to read you were offed by any mad men.
Sarah Pallin has a 37% approval rating, with 51% giving her an unfavorable rating:
http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-palin.php
Quoteaccording to the poll, a whopping 67 percent of Americans -- and 43 percent of Republicans -- say they would not like to see her president someday
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/07/29/2014067.aspx
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/WSJ-NBC_Poll090729.pdf
For some reason, I don't see Palin as being the savior of the GOP.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on October 16, 2009, 01:11:07 PM
Sarah Pallin has a 37% approval rating, with 51% giving her an unfavorable rating:
http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-palin.php
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/07/29/2014067.aspx
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/WSJ-NBC_Poll090729.pdf
For some reason, I don't see Palin as being the savior of the GOP.
Savior? No, but she maybe the Republican's last mistake.
The Republican Party needs to have someone bring them back to the middle, to gain moderate voters and eat at the natural fissure in the Democratic Party between Labor and Progressives.
But right now the Republican Party seems to be too busy purging all moderates voices from their ranks for that to happen. In the marginalized and far right wing environment that is the Republican Party today she certainly can win a nomination and then go down in flames in a general election.
If that were to happen I could easily see the pro-business/trade wing of the Republican fracturing from right wing Christian elements and forming a more ecumenical but pro business party that really could start to win elections again by sapping those progressives from the Democrats. But that would probably permanently marginalize the remaining Republican Party as just a conservative Christian party with little money and only small power base in the rural south.
Quote from: swake on October 16, 2009, 01:28:31 PM
Savior? No, but she maybe the Republican's last mistake.
The Republican Party needs to have someone bring them back to the middle, to gain moderate voters and eat at the natural fissure in the Democratic Party between Labor and Progressives.
But right now the Republican Party seems to be too busy purging all moderates voices from their ranks for that to happen. In the marginalized and far right wing environment that is the Republican Party today she certainly can win a nomination and then go down in flames in a general election.
If that were to happen I could easily see the pro-business/trade wing of the Republican fracturing from right wing Christian elements and forming a more ecumenical but pro business party that really could start to win elections again by sapping those progressives from the Democrats. But that would probably permanently marginalize the remaining Republican Party as just a conservative Christian party with little money and only small power base in the rural south.
There used to be a point I'd have been too subjective to buy into your assertion, but I think you've got a good point. I never thought I'd bail, but after the city elections I'll no longer be a registered Republican. I'm seeing very little effort of the remaining power in the GOP of trying to find a middle ground on important issues, instead all I'm seeing is a bunch of McCarthyism and precious little leadership. The GOP is in total disarray and hasn't done anything I remotely call fiscally conservative in years. It's sad to see how badly the GOP pissed away their clout and credibility.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 16, 2009, 01:43:17 PM
There used to be a point I'd have been too subjective to buy into your assertion, but I think you've got a good point. I never thought I'd bail, but after the city elections I'll no longer be a registered Republican. I'm seeing very little effort of the remaining power in the GOP of trying to find a middle ground on important issues, instead all I'm seeing is a bunch of McCarthyism and precious little leadership. The GOP is in total disarray and hasn't done anything I remotely call fiscally conservative in years. It's sad to see how badly the GOP pissed away their clout and credibility.
Or stay Republican and vote for the least crazy in the primaries. Try to help them.
Quote from: Townsend on October 16, 2009, 03:09:46 PM
Or stay Republican and vote for the least crazy in the primaries. Try to help them.
That's what I've been doing lately, but I figured I'd stage my own meaningless hissy-fit protest and waive my right to vote in primaries since we have closed primaries to show those bastards in OKC and DC. I know they will miss me when I'm gone. 8)
Quote from: Conan71 on October 16, 2009, 03:12:04 PM
That's what I've been doing lately, but I figured I'd stage my own meaningless hissy-fit protest and waive my right to vote in primaries since we have closed primaries to show those bastards in OKC and DC. I know they will miss me when I'm gone. 8)
The "they" count on it. (queue evil music here)
Quote from: swake on October 16, 2009, 01:28:31 PM
But that would probably permanently marginalize the remaining Republican Party as just a conservative Christian party with little money and only small power base in the rural south.
Don't count on the "little money" thing. Some of those "churches" have a pretty big budget.
Quote from: Red Arrow on October 17, 2009, 01:18:24 AM
Don't count on the "little money" thing. Some of those "churches" have a pretty big budget.
Agreed.
I wouldn't underestimate the power of evangelical/fundamentalist $$$ to push Mike Huckabee over the top for 2012 over Mitt Romney.
I think Palin will be too busy resorting to motivate-the-base soundbite sloganeering than take the time/effort/money to run for prez..... http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics/story/1518598.html
If she studies and gets some "depth" in her policies/approaches, she'd have a decent chance in 2012...... but I think she'll do like most of the other Assembly of God folks do, and blindly follow her own biased dogmas and misconceptions without examining or questioning her own perspective or context....
Quote from: USRufnex on October 20, 2009, 08:27:08 PM
Agreed.
I wouldn't underestimate the power of evangelical/fundamentalist $$$ to push Mike Huckabee over the top for 2012 over Mitt Romney.
I think Palin will be too busy resorting to motivate-the-base soundbite sloganeering than take the time/effort/money to run for prez..... http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics/story/1518598.html
If she studies and gets some "depth" in her policies/approaches, she'd have a decent chance in 2012...... but I think she'll do like most of the other Assembly of God folks do, and blindly follow her own biased dogmas and misconceptions without examining or questioning her own perspective or context....
They're going to look pretty funny with about 20% of the GOP left in tact while the rest of us flee the fundies who have seized the party. I honestly think if every state had closed primaries, Romney would have been the nominee and would have been the right person to lead us out of the economic mess we are in. I also like that he didn't wear his religion on his sleeve. Instead everyone else was far more interested in his religion than he was. I have no more an issue about having a Mormon in the White House than a Jew, Roman Catholic, Muslim, Baptist, or AOG, so long as their personal spiritual beliefs remain their own and they don't use it as a basis to shape policy and write laws.
Quote from: swake on October 16, 2009, 01:28:31 PM
Savior? No, but she maybe the Republican's last mistake.
The Republican Party needs to have someone bring them back to the middle, to gain moderate voters and eat at the natural fissure in the Democratic Party between Labor and Progressives.
But right now the Republican Party seems to be too busy purging all moderates voices from their ranks for that to happen. In the marginalized and far right wing environment that is the Republican Party today she certainly can win a nomination and then go down in flames in a general election.
If that were to happen I could easily see the pro-business/trade wing of the Republican fracturing from right wing Christian elements and forming a more ecumenical but pro business party that really could start to win elections again by sapping those progressives from the Democrats. But that would probably permanently marginalize the remaining Republican Party as just a conservative Christian party with little money and only small power base in the rural south.
+1. Post of the week.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 21, 2009, 09:27:20 AM
They're going to look pretty funny with about 20% of the GOP left in tact while the rest of us flee the fundies who have seized the party. I honestly think if every state had closed primaries, Romney would have been the nominee and would have been the right person to lead us out of the economic mess we are in. I also like that he didn't wear his religion on his sleeve. Instead everyone else was far more interested in his religion than he was. I have no more an issue about having a Mormon in the White House than a Jew, Roman Catholic, Muslim, Baptist, or AOG, so long as their personal spiritual beliefs remain their own and they don't use it as a basis to shape policy and write laws.
McCain was a pretty moderate guy, too. Why do you think Romney would have done better than McCain in a closed primary?
I saw the polling data, and McCain had the highest approval rating of any of the Republican presidential candidates by a sizable margin. So, therefore, there was absolutely no reason to believe that McCain wouldn't do very well in the primaries.
I think a lot of Republicans were repelled by Romney not because of his religion, but because of his wildly inconsistent answers on issues. He wasn't nicknamed "Multiple-Choice Mitt" for nothing.
McCain, frankly, lost his moderate and sensible Republican cachet by choosing the empty-headed Palin as a running mate. All those main reasons he gave earlier for voting for him (experience, judgment) went out the window with that one pick -- especially after her disastrous interview with Katie Couric. And nothing has happened since to make her (and him) look any better.
Quote from: swake on October 16, 2009, 01:28:31 PM
Savior? No, but she maybe the Republican's last mistake.
The Republican Party needs to have someone bring them back to the middle, to gain moderate voters and eat at the natural fissure in the Democratic Party between Labor and Progressives.
But right now the Republican Party seems to be too busy purging all moderates voices from their ranks for that to happen. In the marginalized and far right wing environment that is the Republican Party today she certainly can win a nomination and then go down in flames in a general election.
If that were to happen I could easily see the pro-business/trade wing of the Republican fracturing from right wing Christian elements and forming a more ecumenical but pro business party that really could start to win elections again by sapping those progressives from the Democrats. But that would probably permanently marginalize the remaining Republican Party as just a conservative Christian party with little money and only small power base in the rural south.
It makes one wonder what the remainder of that party will name themselves once they have done that.
The Bat-Sh*t Crazy Party?
The Obstructionist Party?
The No Party?
Just throwin' some out there.
Quote from: USRufnexbut I think she'll do like most of the other humans do, and blindly follow her own biased dogmas and misconceptions without examining or questioning her own perspective or context....
Had to fix that up a little.
Sad to see how little (or no) depth she had as time went on. The rightwing base went nuts in a good way during her first speech, but who could stay enthusiastic afterwards? For the sake of the party, I hope she's planning a talk-show kind of career and leaving political office out of the picture.
There're a lot of outside forces keeping us as a two-party system, so ideological splits within the GOP have limited choices. Essentially disgruntled GOPers can either reform from within or become Democrats. The third choice -- form an independent party -- is a nonstarter because it virtually guarantees the splitters will lose most of their political power.
There're currently no internal reformers within view -- at least no serious ones. Yes, Michael Steele talks a lot about rebranding the message, but he's essentially talking about changing the delivery of the message, rather than the message itself (check out GOP.com, yo (http://www.gop.com/)). Even Republican names that get floated for the Big Office -- from Romney to Jindahl to Palin -- none are talking serious reform. They're all just talking about message delivery.
The only guy I've seen who's soberly thinking about the future of American conservatism is David Frum, and while he'll show up on tv talk shows, something tells me he's one of the less popular Republicans on the circuit these days.
Quote from: rwarn17588 on October 21, 2009, 10:35:58 AM
McCain was a pretty moderate guy, too. Why do you think Romney would have done better than McCain in a closed primary?
I saw the polling data, and McCain had the highest approval rating of any of the Republican presidential candidates by a sizable margin. So, therefore, there was absolutely no reason to believe that McCain wouldn't do very well in the primaries.
I think a lot of Republicans were repelled by Romney not because of his religion, but because of his wildly inconsistent answers on issues. He wasn't nicknamed "Multiple-Choice Mitt" for nothing.
McCain, frankly, lost his moderate and sensible Republican cachet by choosing the empty-headed Palin as a running mate. All those main reasons he gave earlier for voting for him (experience, judgment) went out the window with that one pick -- especially after her disastrous interview with Katie Couric. And nothing has happened since to make her (and him) look any better.
This polling you refer to, was that amongst Republicans only or adding in Dems and Inds (also using that to denote other smaller parties)?
Ergo my point on closed primaries and McCain not winning the nomination.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 21, 2009, 01:53:19 PM
This polling you refer to, was that amongst Republicans only or adding in Dems and Inds (also using that to denote other smaller parties)?
It was Republicans only being polled. It also had breakdowns of Romney, Huckabee. And this was very early in the primary.
It was done by Pew research, a respected poller. Among Republicans, McCain in early February 2008 had a 72 percent favorability rating, versus 54 percent for Romney and 52 percent for Huckabee.
The same poll also broke down favorability ratings at the time among all voters. Obama was tops on the Democratic side, and McCain was tops on the Republican said. And believe me, it wasn't close. Guess who got nominated.
http://people-press.org/report/392/mccains-support-soars-democratic-race-tightens
Quote from: we vs us on October 21, 2009, 11:43:13 AM
The only guy I've seen who's soberly thinking about the future of American conservatism is David Frum, and while he'll show up on tv talk shows, something tells me he's one of the less popular Republicans on the circuit these days.
Bruce Bartlett and Daniel Larison are conservatives worth reading, too. Both -- especially Larison -- have been predicting the implosion of the GOP for several years now and that the GOP in its current form is not traditional conservatism.