and future anarchists and revolutionaries....
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 7, 2009
The VIDEO- Breaking Investigation: Gun Show UndercoverBy GottaLaff
http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2009/10/video-breaking-investigation-gun-show.html
"Arming Domestic Terrorists"
Total hyperbole.
Looks to me like they are arming the citizenry who keep you safe.
Quote from: TeeDub on October 09, 2009, 09:39:13 AM
Looks to me like they are arming the citizenry who keep you safe.
Oh thank you TeeDub! Thank you so much! You have a gun, I feel so much safer knowing that!
You're a TRUE AMERICAN HERO!!!
TEEDUB TEEDUB TEEDUB
BIG UPS TO THE TEEMAN!
Whoops I just teed my pants.
Um, this isn't new news. This has been going on since they passed the Brady bill almost 20 years ago.
Quote from: PepePeru on October 09, 2009, 09:46:06 AM
Oh thank you TeeDub! Thank you so much! You have a gun, I feel so much safer knowing that!
You're a TRUE AMERICAN HERO!!!
TEEDUB TEEDUB TEEDUB
BIG UPS TO THE TEEMAN!
Whoops I just teed my pants.
I don't know where this came from.... Too much sugar?
But I don't see how making more laws is going to stop criminals from being criminals. All this is going to do is make honest people go through more work. (To give you an example, has making anyone present an ID to buy sudafed accomplished anything to help stop the meth labs anywhere? No, it just makes it a pain in the donkey when you get a cold.)
By definition criminals have no respect for the laws now. More laws won't make it any better.
The problem here is that the ones that are not supposed to buy guns (i.e. the guy that shot up his girlfriends house a few years ago), are skirting the law through these venues. I can see the concerns with this. However, using the title of "Arming Domestic Terrorists" is just idiotic.
Quote from: custosnox on October 09, 2009, 01:40:46 PM
The problem here is that the ones that are not supposed to buy guns (i.e. the guy that shot up his girlfriends house a few years ago), are skirting the law through these venues. I can see the concerns with this. However, using the title of "Arming Domestic Terrorists" is just idiotic.
However, using the title of "Arming Domestic Terrorists" is just
idiotic FOTD. fify
Quote from: custosnox on October 09, 2009, 01:40:46 PM
The problem here is that the ones that are not supposed to buy guns (i.e. the guy that shot up his girlfriends house a few years ago), are skirting the law through these venues. I can see the concerns with this. However, using the title of "Arming Domestic Terrorists" is just idiotic.
If gun shows get the clamp-down on this, people who are not supposed to own firearms will still find a way to buy them, steal them, borrow them, or otherwise get them into their possession. Closing this "loop-hole" would only make for one more inconvenience for law-abiding citizens, like buying Sudafed.
Personally, I don't like the idea of the government compiling data on how many guns and how much ammo a person owns. I don't think it's their business. That's the reason a lot of law-abiding people buy only from individual collectors at gun shows and not the dealers. There's a fear that the government can track down guns if there were to eventually be a gun ban. I know total paranoid tin-foil hat stuff, but that's the logic behind it for anyone reading who does not own a firearm and would never think of owning one.
Oh, FWIW- I've managed to get by without Sudafed just fine. ;)
Gun Shows arm terrorists now??
Wow, 9/11 was a complete and utter victory for the Arabs. Now we've turned on our own citizenry under the umbrella of going after "terrorists."
I hate 9/11 so much.
If we outright banned all sales of guns except by any entity BUT the government, 9/11 still would have happened. So where's the tire in? It doesn't really make sense.
When one of these groups goes on a kill crazy rampage, then try to sell this crap to me. Until then there is no way the threat of some group possibly some day posing some kind of a threat to someone balances out the loss of freedom. When the hell did we become so willing to trade freedoms for the illusion of security?
The TSA screener can see naked images of you because it keeps us safe.
You can't buy cold pills because some asshat might make drugs.
You can't buy that gun because some other idiot might possibly commit a crime with it.
I agree. Violent offenders should not be allowed to own firearms for a very long time. People with drug problems the same. Enforce the rules we have in place, take guns away from criminals, and keep the public "safe".
But stop making rules that have no real effect on their intended target. It makes people who have no real clue feel safer while taking a little more liberty away from everyone else. It's because of the "security over freedom at all costs" attitude that I have to surrender my finger nail clippers and bottle of water while taking my shoes off so some TSA idiot can take a look at a scanned image of my junk. Do any of those things do anything to ever prevent any crime? No, at least not according to any evidence ever submitted.
But damn do I feel safe at an airport now.
Same logic for guns. It won't actually help the situation at all, but man will it make me feel safe . . .
Just like condoms can make you feel safe and feel less...
There's an army being armed...and it ain't patriots like they think.
Quote from: FOTD on October 09, 2009, 05:09:47 PM
Just like condoms can make you feel safe and feel less...
There's an army being armed...and it ain't patriots like they think.
so if what you are saying is true, then making it harder for patriots to get weapons is going to help stop the so called bad guys how?
Quote from: custosnox on October 09, 2009, 05:11:50 PM
so if what you are saying is true, then making it harder for patriots to get weapons is going to help stop the so called bad guys how?
The "patriots" are the bad guys....DUH.
Quote from: FOTD on October 09, 2009, 05:36:32 PM
The "patriots" are the bad guys....DUH.
Glad to see you admiting your anti-patriotism
Quote from: custosnox on October 09, 2009, 05:57:50 PM
Glad to see you admiting your anti-patriotism
Cute... but just a true patriot who doesn't wear his gun on his chest.
Quote from: FOTD on October 09, 2009, 06:04:04 PM
Cute... but just a true patriot who doesn't wear his gun on his chest.
And owning a gun doesn't make you a bad guy either.
Quote from: custosnox on October 09, 2009, 06:08:24 PM
And owning a gun doesn't make you a bad guy either.
Unless you own it for political purposes...
Quote from: FOTD on October 09, 2009, 06:11:43 PM
Unless you own it for political purposes...
"because it's my constitutional right" is a political purpose
Quote from: custosnox on October 09, 2009, 06:46:27 PM
"because it's my constitutional right" is a political purpose
You are correct. Unless you plan to use the arms to terrorize, seize control or attack the United States of America. How's that?
Quote from: FOTD on October 09, 2009, 08:59:16 PM
You are correct. Unless you plan to use the arms to terrorize, seize control or attack the United States of America. How's that?
Which you have shown no evidence of which.
Depends how you define a terrorist....is this guy?
BA man charged in reported harmonica attack
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=298&articleid=20091008_318_0_ABoero9452
The day will come when another WACO explodes....watch. Too many nutballs.
Quote from: FOTD on October 10, 2009, 07:22:34 PM
Depends how you define a terrorist....is this guy?
BA man charged in reported harmonica attack
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=298&articleid=20091008_318_0_ABoero9452
The day will come when another WACO explodes....watch. Too many nutballs.
no, this is an idiot that beat up a guy with a hormonica.
ter⋅ror⋅ist /ˈtɛrərɪst/ [ter-er-ist]
–noun 1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
3. (formerly) a member of a political group in Russia aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
4. an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.
–adjective 5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of terrorism or terrorists: terrorist tactics.
Quote from: custosnox on October 11, 2009, 01:04:30 AM
no, this is an idiot that beat up a guy with a hormonica.
ter⋅ror⋅ist /ˈtɛrərɪst/ [ter-er-ist]
–noun 1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
3. (formerly) a member of a political group in Russia aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
4. an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.
–adjective 5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of terrorism or terrorists: terrorist tactics.
Seen last night in Ohio USA
Here's some of their customers in action seen last night in Ohio USA!
A brawl by some 'ganstas' turns into a shootout when the 'ganstas' start shooting. Looks like the bar owner stepped in as well (which I applaud him for). I say looks because I cant tell from the video, and I didn't read the full story when I came across it a bit ago. However, none of these really fall into the discription of terrorist, and of them, I'm willing to bet that the only person that most likely got their gun at the gunshow would be the bar owner. So, FAIL
LOL.
Weird video.
Quote from: FOTD on October 11, 2009, 04:02:36 PM
LOL.
Weird video.
eh...
However, Tulsa seemed to have a lesser one of these, with fire only happening in one direction.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20091011_11_0_Trepol522295&allcom=1#commentform
Quote from: custosnox on October 11, 2009, 04:06:45 PM
eh...
However, Tulsa seemed to have a lesser one of these, with fire only happening in one direction.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20091011_11_0_Trepol522295&allcom=1#commentform
Yes. That Ohio gun fight could've resembled the scene at Kenny Mac's right here in gun show central .... We be wild west. This terror keeps the smart peeps outa the boozeries. Don't think you'd see this in the "tea" rooms of Oakland.
Quote from: FOTD on October 11, 2009, 04:29:01 PM
Yes. That Ohio gun fight could've resembled the scene at Kenny Mac's right here in gun show central .... We be wild west. This terror keeps the smart peeps outa the boozeries. Don't think you'd see this in the "tea" rooms of Oakland.
Once again you try to make an imaginary connection between a shooting and gun shows. I'm sure if you check the statistics, the majority of shootings like this are not done with guns bought at gun shows, but ones that have been acquired through back alley deals with thugs selling off guns they got in their latest home robberies, or something similar, not gunshows.
Quote from: custosnox on October 11, 2009, 04:50:01 PM
Once again you try to make an imaginary connection between a shooting and gun shows. I'm sure if you check the statistics, the majority of shootings like this are not done with guns bought at gun shows, but ones that have been acquired through back alley deals with thugs selling off guns they got in their latest home robberies, or something similar, not gunshows.
edited for your enjoyment.
Also, seems to have been something in the air lastnight, same story in deep South Louisiana.
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/wwl101109cbhouma.207a34386.html
Quote from: FOTD on October 11, 2009, 04:57:48 PM
edited for your enjoyment.
Which obviously shows that no matter what the facts are, your going to ignore them and put in your own version.
Quote from: custosnox on October 11, 2009, 04:58:51 PM
Which obviously shows that no matter what the facts are, your going to ignore them and put in your own version.
Facts? Who is ignoring the fact that the arming of hateful people in our country is taking place through, but not limited to, gun shows. The transactions are not directly IN the show but through the network that is created from transactions both above and below board.
Do you not think enclaves of wingnuts are assembling their weaponry for the day Eric Holder has to pull a Janet Reno?
Quote from: FOTD on October 11, 2009, 05:43:39 PM
Facts? Who is ignoring the fact that the arming of hateful people in our country is taking place through, but not limited to, gun shows. The transactions are not directly IN the show but through the network that is created from transactions both above and below board.
Do you not think enclaves of wingnuts are assembling their weaponry for the day Eric Holder has to pull a Janet Reno?
And oh so many of these transactions are taking place at gun shows. The fact of the matter is, while many of the groups that may or may not pose a threat (read in waco types) may obtain some of their firearms and ammo through gunshows, they generally are able to buy them legaly anywhere else. In addition to this, many obtain their weapons through other nefarious means. The ones that you give as examples such as the shootout in the bar are far less likely to obtain their firearms through gunshows.
You expect me to take that as fact? You may be right. Those in the film may have had to deal with a middle man who made his connections through the gun show circuit. Bet they have one hell of an expensive mailing list.
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I remember finding this little advertisement in the Tulsey World about an year ago.
Quote from: rhymnrzn on October 12, 2009, 09:13:34 AM
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I remember finding this little advertisement in the Tulsey World about an year ago.
Yep, the 2008 election turned out to be a boon for arms and ammo dealers. I was out of town for the Wannenmacher show right after the election last year. One of my dealer friends who was there said ammo disappeared at a record pace and he sold out of all his "black guns" (i.e. AR 15 and other tactical variants) on the first day of the show, something like 35 or 40 rifles.