I thought it would be easy for me to simply go down to the booth and mark my line for the Republican nominee come this November but I'm rethinking it. No I'm serioulsy rethinking it. I'm not a hard core party person but then again I think I've voted for the Republican nominee for mayor every year since I could vote.
Trash? Water? Sewer? Streets? Public safety? Republican or Democrat are either of the party positions on municipal issues that different? It could be naivety but I don't think so as I'm typing this post. Tom or Dewey, are either of their positions on municipal issues really that different? It could be naivety again but I don't think so as I'm typing this post.
Yes on state and national issues Tom and I differ. You know what, I think on state and national issues Dewey and I differ. So what is a Republican to do?
For me, what it basically comes down to is who do I think is going to represent me and my family best and we don't live in midtown? Who do I think will represent Tulsa as a whole the best? Who do I think can not just feed my a line of B.S. (or as little as possible) but tell me the truth (or as much as possible) good or bad and attempt to do something about it? Who do I think is actually going to work? Who do I think is actually going to do their homework on issues and make the best informed decision possible?
This may be the first time I mark that line for a Democrat.
There don't to be any difference on their platforms. It is continue the status quo in the little Branson entertainment arena. (IDL) Dewey had his time when he was a councilor and it seems that much of his time on the council one could not tell whether the was awake or asleep. He has supported democrats in the past.
Course the productive part of the city is south of the 71st courier where the Creeks are wanting to develop. With about three casino downtown and using those monstrosities for storage, would light the DT up and bring in some real money.
There are differences. You guys just don't want to look for them and want to generalize...
http://www.tomadelson.com/
http://www.deweybartlett.com/
These two have completely different styles and personalities as well. Who would do a better job at running the city...including managing a large work force, developing relationships and sometimes fighting against the council, protecting neighborhoods while being pro-development when possible...?
The next Mayor (and every Mayor) has to work ridiculous hours. Which candidate will be willing and able to do that?
They will have find private dollars to supplement a struggling city budget. They will have to appoint hundreds of volunteers to city authorities, boards and committees (some of whom have lately been abused by the council confirmation process, in my opinion). The next Mayor will have to properly manage a relationship with suburbs and tribes on bridges and tax-exempt shopping and will need to stay on top of a $450 million (biggest ever) street rehab. Thousands of citizens participated in PlaniTulsa...which candidate best understands what we said we wanted?
There are lots of differences in these two...read up on them, ask people who know them about what we can expect if elected to lead us. Attend a public forum. Then get back to us.
But most importantly, look who they surround themselves with and you'll get a bigger picture of which way they swing the bat for Tulsa. As a whole or as a couple of sections.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on September 13, 2009, 07:02:35 PM
There are differences. You guys just don't want to look for them and want to generalize...
Which candidate will be willing and able to do that?
Have you joined the fire department so you can have a place to go and analyze the political system while resting from your two days off after spending one in the fire house? I cannot see where the candidtes offer any more than "four more of the same"
Don't forget about the independent candidate Mark Perkins
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=262&articleid=20090913_11_A17_Tulsam670217
If I don't under vote Mayor, it'll be an Independent.
Either of the party lines are more of the same.
Actually, seems to me it's now a struggle between OKC-power vs local power. Ms. Kitty (from the Savage line) and Adleson (from State Senate) on the OKC front, with Bartlett being the World/Chamber line.
Either one is bad for Tulsa.
Quote from: Wrinkle on September 14, 2009, 11:42:21 AM
If I don't under vote Mayor, it'll be an Independent.
Either of the party lines are more of the same.
Actually, seems to me it's now a struggle between OKC-power vs local power. Ms. Kitty (from the Savage line) and Adleson (from State Senate) on the OKC front, with Bartlett being the World/Chamber line.
Either one is bad for Tulsa.
I've been thinking that with Tom's Senate experience, perhaps we might finally have someone as mayor who understands how to get more of our share out of OKC.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 14, 2009, 11:49:12 AM
I've been thinking that with Tom's Senate experience, perhaps we might finally have someone as mayor who understands how to get more of our share out of OKC.
...yeah, if we elect their guy.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 14, 2009, 11:49:12 AM
I've been thinking that with Tom's Senate experience, perhaps we might finally have someone as mayor who understands how to get more of our share out of OKC.
It won't work that way. Quite the oppoosite, actually. If anything, Adelson would be a hinderance. And if Fallin gets elected, so much more so.
Adelson will be viewed, correctly in my estimation, as a man whose political ambitions go further than simply Mayor of Tulsey Town. The Congressional delegation and especially the state legislature will be loathe to provide him with anything that could later be touted as a "political victory". They will look to "nip him in the bud", so to speak
and Tulsa has recently done very well indeed as it pertains to road money coming out of OKC
Quote from: DCtransplant on September 14, 2009, 12:32:47 PM
It won't work that way. Quite the oppoosite, actually. If anything, Adelson would be a hinderance. And if Fallin gets elected, so much more so.
Adelson will be viewed, correctly in my estimation, as a man whose political ambitions go further than simply Mayor of Tulsey Town. The Congressional delegation and especially the state legislature will be loathe to provide him with anything that could later be touted as a "political victory". They will look to "nip him in the bud", so to speak
and Tulsa has recently done very well indeed as it pertains to road money coming out of OKC
They wanted to nip Taylor in the bud, too, but they didn't get any help from Dewey Bartlett Jr in 2006.
Taylor was a threat to climb higher because of a moderate image and, in 2006, no record as an elected official. (That moderate image was not borne out by her support for the mayor's gun-grabbing coalition and the Kyoto protocols -- and yet in endorsing her re-election Dewey Jr never took exception to any of that.) Because of his record on social issues, Adelson would have a much harder time than Taylor in advancing to federal office.
I suspect that the congressional delegation is none too happy with Dewey Jr's support for KT's re-election, which would have put her in a better position to challenge one of them. From that perspective, Bartlett v. Adelson is a wash.
Quote from: DCtransplant on September 14, 2009, 12:32:47 PM
It won't work that way. Quite the oppoosite, actually. If anything, Adelson would be a hinderance. And if Fallin gets elected, so much more so.
Adelson will be viewed, correctly in my estimation, as a man whose political ambitions go further than simply Mayor of Tulsey Town. The Congressional delegation and especially the state legislature will be loathe to provide him with anything that could later be touted as a "political victory". They will look to "nip him in the bud", so to speak
and Tulsa has recently done very well indeed as it pertains to road money coming out of OKC
For someone who claims to be a DC insider, your knowledge of politics seems severely limited to me, though you do seem to be a master of cliches.
If Sen. Adelson had vastly higher aspirations, why not run against Coburn in two years, instead of being mayor? Why not run for governor instead? Do you know Tom personally and he's intimated to you that he's aspiring for something even better than Mayor of Tulsa? I think you also underestimate his popularity with Reps and Dems down at the capital. He knows how the system works from the other side and will still have friends in both chambers that can help the city in terms of funding and legislation.
Even if his ambitions go further than mayor of Tulsa, why would that be a turn off to other legislators with whom he's forged relationships? Please provide some basis for your line of thinking because it's not as apparent as you claim it is.
Adelson was at Joe Momma's today for lunch. That +5 in my own scoreboard of arbitrary reasons to vote.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 14, 2009, 01:20:58 PM
For someone who claims to be a DC insider, your knowledge of politics seems severely limited to me, though you do seem to be a master of cliches.
If Sen. Adelson had vastly higher aspirations, why not run against Coburn in two years, instead of being mayor? Why not run for governor instead? Do you know Tom personally and he's intimated to you that he's aspiring for something even better than Mayor of Tulsa? I think you also underestimate his popularity with Reps and Dems down at the capital. He knows how the system works from the other side and will still have friends in both chambers that can help the city in terms of funding and legislation.
Even if his ambitions go further than mayor of Tulsa, why would that be a turn off to other legislators with whom he's forged relationships? Please provide some basis for your line of thinking because it's not as apparent as you claim it is.
I don't know personally, but I do know how these things work. The original statement was that Adelson would be a boon to monies appropriated by the state legislature and I do not believe this to be so. This will especially hold true if Mary Fallin is elected Governor as she is hyper-political. I'm not begging you to heed my words, i'm just telling from someone who has been to a couple of rodeos that this is how it will be.
And yes, one member in particular in the federal delegation viewed and still views Kathy taylor as a potential future threat and has sometimes been less than accomodating in their dealings. But for the most part, her charm, hard work and true bipartisasn spirit has won most of her original skeptics over. Tom Adelson may be many things, but a retail politician he ain't. Also, Mayor taylor had the benefit of having a friend and only other significant state Democrat sitting in the Governor's mansion for the entirety of her term. But hey, never let facts get in the way of a mediocre tale ;)
and for the record, I have never claimed to be a "DC Insider"
Quote from: sgrizzle on September 14, 2009, 01:50:34 PM
Adelson was at Joe Momma's today for lunch. That +5 in my own scoreboard of arbitrary reasons to vote.
LOL, what kind of boost if had bought your lunch?
Hopefully he bought a tshirt at Dwelling Spaces, a beer at Arnie's and some porn at Midtown adult too.
Quote from: DCtransplant on September 14, 2009, 02:24:47 PM
I don't know personally, but I do know how these things work. The original statement was that Adelson would be a boon to monies appropriated by the state legislature and I do not believe this to be so. This will especially hold true if Mary Fallin is elected Governor as she is hyper-political. I'm not begging you to heed my words, i'm just telling from someone who has been to a couple of rodeos that this is how it will be.
And yes, one member in particular in the federal delegation viewed and still views Kathy taylor as a potential future threat and has sometimes been less than accomodating in their dealings. But for the most part, her charm, hard work and true bipartisasn spirit has won most of her original skeptics over. Tom Adelson may be many things, but a retail politician he ain't. Also, Mayor taylor had the benefit of having a friend and only other significant state Democrat sitting in the Governor's mansion for the entirety of her term. But hey, never let facts get in the way of a mediocre tale ;)
and for the record, I have never claimed to be a "DC Insider"
Thanks for explaining a little more that helps. So, if Sen. Adelson has higher aspirations say to the Governor's mansion or our DC delegation as a member of the HOR or Senate, that still doesn't stand to reason why an entire Oklahoma legislature would be put off by him and restrict help toward the city. I could see two or three members with similar aspirations trying to hamper him, but not an entire Oklahoma House or Senate.
I think I'll take my chances with Adelson in this case.
My hopes were TA would take on Sully. Some said he was thinking of attorney general. This indicates he does not wish to move to DC or OKsh!ty
I don't know him, but based on Adelson's age and past offices he's held (and holds), higher aspirations seem logical and likely. I don't see why that is necessarily a negative as that also means he would be motivated to achieve things to improve his chances of moving up.
While politicians are very capable of being petty, vindicative and protective of their jobs, it is pretty unlikely that members of the Oklahoma delegation would block projects for Tulsa to prevent the Tulsa Mayor from getting any credit. Bringing projects, jobs, etc. home is always going to help the Congressman/Senator more than the Mayor. That is why they are front and center at the ribbon cutting or press conference claiming the cedit (deserved or not).
Um... remind me why is it bad to have aspirations beyond the immediate future?
The only time this frustrates me is when TU basketball coaches have used our fair University as a brief stepping stone in their careers (while giving lip service to their love of Tulsa, their desire to stay forever, raise their kids here, etc, etc.)
In general, I prefer quality folks with aspirations, to the entrenched, mediocre fellows we often see (such as those who have made permament homes in our city council and in various City and County departments...).
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=262&articleid=20090913_11_A17_Tulsam670217
Quote from: Floyd on September 17, 2009, 01:59:08 PM
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=262&articleid=20090913_11_A17_Tulsam670217
If he keeps doing what he's been doing he will get his family votes....maybe.
The kid won't say anything but "just say no to the status quo"....
Well, looks like Dewey is being the demagogue and calling a progressive a liberal and trying to paint the picture that Tulsa's leadership demands more of that old fashioned Christian leadership. Say what? Dewey, when did you find faith? After your divorce? After you screwed your family? Before you profited from your position with ODOT and the extension of our expressway system? Or was it after Daddy hired a handler to watch after you during your drunkin drug filled mayhem daze?
Give us all a break from demonizing democrats and let's discuss issues, Dewey. Otherwise, the tactics to fight you will expose your faults with family life, social life and business life. Tulsa deserves better than partisan politics handed down from your National Party of hypocrites. It will be easy to expose your transgressions against the ancient GOP family values bs even if you portray yourself as born again. Shameful how you are spooning Anna and Chris....the churches will not save North Tulsa. It will take a strong leader with connections to the state legislature and the White House. Dewey, you ain't there. Don't be screwy.
Dewey's ad is pretty disgusting. Shame on him. Or rather, if he runs crap like that, he has no shame.
Anyone low enough to do that kind of campaign has no business in public life.
Quote from: swake on September 19, 2009, 09:05:13 AM
Dewey's ad is pretty disgusting. Shame on him. Or rather, if he runs crap like that, he has no shame.
Anyone low enough to do that kind of campaign has no business in public life.
Looks like Dewey has brought us together for the first time.
I can't recall a more evil campaign ad than that, especially since it's based on the initial lie that his opponent has tried to trash him, when that hasn't occurred.
Screwy Dewey is authorizing NEGATIVE ads depicting TA as hateful ( Gov. Henry should be shot for lowering state income taxes) and as a "liberal" tax and spender. TA is a progressive and not a liberal. Dewey is a reactionary and not even a conservative.
It would seem to me that Adelson was trying to protect funding for public education and important government services which in a downturn would be the important items to face the largest cuts.
Does Dewey go along with further damaging our public schools by supporting less income through current tax levels? What other government services does Bartlett want cut back or eliminated?
It seems Bartlett's strategy is as dumb as a fox's, however.
This immediate attacking by Bartlett is reminiscent of Joe Lieberman pounding on the Democratic nominee for senator barely 24 hours after the primary. Joe knew he was behind, and decided to go on the offensive when his opponent went on a short vacation. The strategy got Lieberman's name in a ton of media, and it gave him an early lead that he wouldn't relinquish.
So Adelson had better not sit back while Bartlett is lobbing mortar shells.
Adelson never said what Bartlett Jr's ad claims. From the May 17, 2006, World: (http://"http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=12&articleid=060517_Ne_A1_Henry38899&archive=yes")
QuotePutting the annual state budget puzzle together got a little more complicated for Gov. Brad Henry on Tuesday.
His Democratic allies in the state Senate rebelled against a proposed tax-and-spending deal he announced with House Speaker Todd Hiett, R-Kellyville, on Monday....
For some Democrats on Tuesday, the issue seemed personal.
Sen. Tom Adelson, D-Tulsa, said he was so angry at the deal that he has asked Henry to return a $5,000 campaign contribution he had made to Henry's re-election campaign.
"I understand the historical observation is that we treat prisoners of war humanely but we shoot traitors," Adelson said.
Bartlett Jr first issued a press release with this attack the day after the primary. I wrote at the time (http://"http://www.batesline.com/archives/2009/09/bartlett-jr-misfires-on-adelson.html") that "anyone with reading comprehension skills will understand Adelson's point: Those who are actively and honestly opposing you are easier to treat with kindness than allies who betray your cause."
Bartlett's ad is over the top and offensive in its dishonesty, but as rwarn notes, Adelson has to respond, and so far it doesn't seem that he has.
KRMG's blog has the TV commercial (http://"http://krmg.com/blogs/the_krmg_morning_news_blog/2009/09/video-dewey-bartlett-accuses-t.html") and audio of the September 9 interview with Adelson in which, according to Bartlett Jr, Adelson attacked him.
This ad is simply one more reason why this Republican will be voting for Tom Adelson come November.
No, I don't think Senator Adelson needs to respond to the ad, unless he mentions it briefly in an interview or candidate forum and only if asked. If I were him, I sure as hell would not put together a "rebuttal" ad. It would just give Bartlett more attention and stoop to playing at his level. Let Bartlett's campaign implode from here, he's doing just fine without any help from Sen. Tom.
Let me guess, is Jim Burdge working for Team Bartlett now?
What's the over/under line? I say Adelson wins with a margin of 8%
It'll be interesting to watch the dynamics as Dewey backers realise their candidate has foiled his own chances to win.
This only gets better:
Joe Kelley on KRMG was reviewing the video of the commercial this morning. One obvious flaw is that the "Tulsa" skyline shown at the first of the commerical is actually OKC. Another is the word interview is spelled "inteview".
http://krmg.com/blogs/the_krmg_morning_news_blog/2009/09/dewey-bartlett-tv-commercial-f.html
Not only is Dewey trying to make hay with comments taken totally out of context, he appears to have a hard time finding anyone to work for him who can spell or proof-read.
This race is far from over...six weeks is forever in election time.
I agree that it appears that Bartlett's campaign folk have been making some simple mistakes and it has hurt him.
I was disappointed that he did not attend the candidate forum held last night at the Garden Center. There were 78 people in the room, many of which had not made up their mind.
It's almost as though...., naw. Surely the Bartlett campaign screens its' campaign personnel.
Surely
Also, not to necessarily imply anything, but it's not unheard of for a campaign manager to be a highest bidder type whore, too.
Jim Burdge kind of reminds me of the type who would do anything.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on September 23, 2009, 08:39:09 AM
This race is far from over...six weeks is forever in election time.
I agree that it appears that Bartlett's campaign folk have been making some simple mistakes and it has hurt him.
I was disappointed that he did not attend the candidate forum held last night at the Garden Center. There were 78 people in the room, many of which had not made up their mind.
Maybe because Bartlett could care less about making Tulsa more sustainable while Adelson and Perkins actually give a damn?
Anyone else get the feel that Adelson is just sitting back waiting to win? I think it's the smart move. If you have a pretty good lead, why stick your neck out at all?
Dewey has got the name but didnt we vote for a family name just a few years ago ?
My Wife has had some business dealings with Tom and she just loves him.
I have seen both of their ads(and who hasnt) And it just seems to me that Dewey was the first to start the he said she said mud slinging.
Tom has had way more ads than Dewey. And I was thinking that with all that exposure, maybe he might want to back some of it down a bit. Some people tend to take that as having a lot of money to burn and grow tired of the constant barrage from the have and have nots.
Dewey. Stick to what you want and can do for the city.
Tom....Buddy we know your running. Take a chill pill already.
Quote from: SXSW on September 24, 2009, 02:17:15 AM
Maybe because Bartlett could care less about making Tulsa more sustainable while Adelson and Perkins actually give a damn?
Dewey has some very serious environmental skeletons of his own in the old closet from the oil business and it would be my guess that he knew by showing up there was the possibility of public exposure to his messes. These could still come to light. Not only his personal environmental issues but he has the dirty industry backing too no doubt. Plenty of time and plenty of baggage before November. His campaign is dirty in more ways than one.
Perkins all but called Bartlett a political "chicken" in the paper this morning, heavily criticizing Dewey avoiding any debates and many of the forums on the issues. I'm honestly thinking Dewey doesn't know or care what the issues are. I've never seen a more apathetic campaign in my life.
I'm noticing a shift already from Dewey to Perkins by Dewey clan.
My only thought is Perkins support must weigh more heavily on Adelson, thus boosting Dewey. At least as a strategy. It's clear Perkins is a Chamber tool in this race to provide options on strategy. Of course, his grooming has begun, too.
Perkins lost my vote this morning on PC's show. So, it's the other indy now, whatever his name is.
Still thinking "None of the Above" would be a good choice.
Quote from: Wrinkle on September 24, 2009, 12:13:08 PM
I'm noticing a shift already from Dewey to Perkins by Dewey clan.
My only thought is Perkins support must weigh more heavily on Adelson, thus boosting Dewey. At least as a strategy. It's clear Perkins is a Chamber tool in this race to provide options on strategy. Of course, his grooming has begun, too.
Perkins lost my vote this morning on PC's show. So, it's the other indy now, whatever his name is.
Still thinking "None of the Above" would be a good choice.
Perkins/Chamber? His motto is just say no to the status quo. Me agree with the Perkins helps Dewey theory.
Gawd help us.
How is Perkins a Chamber Tool?
You stuttering prick!
http://krmg.com/Player/100424431/
(http://www.porhomme.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/goodfellas-movie-quote-funny-how-pesci.jpg)
This campaign is just about as bad as watching the spiraling descent of McCain Palin last year.
Quote from: FOTD on September 24, 2009, 12:20:09 PM
Perkins/Chamber? His motto is just say no to the status quo. Me agree with the Perkins helps Dewey theory.
Gawd help us.
Designer platform, like the 2002 Governor's race with Independent Gary Richardson promoting "elimination of tolls". Sector specific attraction, designed to achieve a particular result (which it did in that case).
Quote from: sgrizzle on September 24, 2009, 12:38:56 PM
How is Perkins a Chamber Tool?
Need I say more than TYPRO?
Quote from: Wrinkle on September 24, 2009, 01:01:25 PM
Need I say more than TYPRO?
I believe they claim 5,000 members. Pretty sure that doesn't mean we have 5,000 "chamber tools."
Received this the other evening.
Dear STCC Supporter –
Last week, Tulsa mayoral candidate Oklahoma Senator Tom Adelson strengthened his stance on the South Tulsa bridge and orally informed the STCC that he is against the construction of the South Tulsa bridge (the "Bridge") period.
As you will recall, before the primary election, Senator Adelson signed one of STCC's representation letters stating in short that (i) he would not support the Bridge connecting to E. 121st St. and S. Yale Ave. or any minor deviation from that location (but that he would be able to support the bridge connecting to E. 121st St. and S. Riverside Drive) and (ii) he would not support the construction of the Bridge until all of the infrastructure necessary to handle the increased traffic from the Bridge had been paid for and was constructed. A copy of Senator Adelson's signed STCC representation letter is attached for your convenience.
Last week, Senator Adelson orally informed the STCC that if elected Mayor he will not support the construction of the Bridge period. The two main reasons Senator Adelson gave were (i) Tulsa's tax base would be diminished to the benefit of Bixby and Jenks if the Bridge is constructed and (ii) Tulsa cannot afford to pay for the infrastructure costs necessary to accommodate the increased traffic from the Bridge. With regard to these costs, Senator Adelson said that he has met with representatives from Tulsa's Public Works Department and that it will cost Tulsa around $100 million to improve the infrastructure necessary to accommodate the traffic from the Bridge. Senator Adelson said he is unwilling to tax the citizens of Tulsa to cover these infrastructure costs. Senator Adelson followed-up his oral conversation with a signed letter further explaining his position on the Bridge. A copy of Senator Adelson's letter is attached for your convenience.
The STCC will do its best to keep you apprised of any new developments on the Bridge.
As always, we thank you for your support.
South Tulsa Citizens Coalition
Quote from: sgrizzle on September 24, 2009, 02:26:44 PM
I believe they claim 5,000 members. Pretty sure that doesn't mean we have 5,000 "chamber tools."
How many of them are running for Mayor of Tulsa?
TYPRO is a Chamber-sponsored organization.
It's leadership is/was (initially, at least) hand-selected by the Chamber,
and is being groomed by the Chamber.
It's not hard to conclude running for Mayor (with little chance of winning) represents part of the grooming process and/or intentional placement of alternate platform for election strategy.
Obviously, Mr. Perkins has no prior experience which would otherwise qualify him to run a city the size of Tulsa. He's being coached.
Quote from: Wrinkle on September 25, 2009, 07:55:23 AM
How many of them are running for Mayor of Tulsa?
TYPRO is a Chamber-sponsored organization.
It's leadership is/was (initially, at least) hand-selected by the Chamber,
and is being groomed by the Chamber.
It's not hard to conclude running for Mayor (with little chance of winning) represents part of the grooming process and/or intentional placement of alternate platform for election strategy.
Obviously, Mr. Perkins has no prior experience which would otherwise qualify him to run a city the size of Tulsa. He's being coached.
Here's yet another episode of "It's A Conspiracy!!!" by Wrinkle. :D
Quote from: Wrinkle on September 25, 2009, 07:55:23 AM
How many of them are running for Mayor of Tulsa?
TYPRO is a Chamber-sponsored organization.
It's leadership is/was (initially, at least) hand-selected by the Chamber,
and is being groomed by the Chamber.
It's not hard to conclude running for Mayor (with little chance of winning) represents part of the grooming process and/or intentional placement of alternate platform for election strategy.
Obviously, Mr. Perkins has no prior experience which would otherwise qualify him to run a city the size of Tulsa. He's being coached.
I'm a member of TYPros. If I ran for mayor, would you honestly think that I'd been groomed to run? Because I can honestly say that I've only ever met 3-4 staff members from the Chamber in my life.
Quote from: Wrinkle on September 25, 2009, 07:55:23 AM
How many of them are running for Mayor of Tulsa?
TYPRO is a Chamber-sponsored organization.
It's leadership is/was (initially, at least) hand-selected by the Chamber,
and is being groomed by the Chamber.
It's not hard to conclude running for Mayor (with little chance of winning) represents part of the grooming process and/or intentional placement of alternate platform for election strategy.
Obviously, Mr. Perkins has no prior experience which would otherwise qualify him to run a city the size of Tulsa. He's being coached.
The Chamber might not be the coach....his Dad might be. There's an ego here waiting to explode on the scene. This is act 1. Every time the devil sees young Perkins he is past the point of inebriated. Don't assume anything when the bottle is the master.
Quote from: Wrinkle on September 25, 2009, 07:55:23 AM
How many of them are running for Mayor of Tulsa?
TYPRO is a Chamber-sponsored organization.
It's leadership is/was (initially, at least) hand-selected by the Chamber,
and is being groomed by the Chamber.
It's not hard to conclude running for Mayor (with little chance of winning) represents part of the grooming process and/or intentional placement of alternate platform for election strategy.
Obviously, Mr. Perkins has no prior experience which would otherwise qualify him to run a city the size of Tulsa. He's being coached.
He's not part of the TYPros leadership, best I can find. He's not even mentioned ONCE on their website. He has more of a stance with the Tulsa Ballet.. is he a ballet tool?
C'mon Wrinkle, your innuendo and suspicions normally have more basis than this.
Quote from: FOTD on September 25, 2009, 10:15:51 AM
The Chamber might not be the coach....his Dad might be. There's an ego here waiting to explode on the scene. This is act 1. Every time the devil sees young Perkins he is past the point of inebriated. Don't assume anything when the bottle is the master.
I talked to his dad quite extensively last week. This is all Mark's thing. His dad is generally a Bartlett supporter.
Can also say that unlike FOTD, Mark showed up for a TulsaNow happy hour and was quite sober.
Quote from: FOTD on September 25, 2009, 10:15:51 AM
The Chamber might not be the coach....his Dad might be. There's an ego here waiting to explode on the scene. This is act 1. Every time the devil sees young Perkins he is past the point of inebriated. Don't assume anything when the bottle is the master.
You could be right. I did presume him to be in at least somewhat a leadership position with TYPRO. If that's not the case, it could be more as you describe.
No conspiracy here. I suggested only a strategy. Opening it to discussion has potentially revealed something here to date unknown. And, as they say, that's good.
Quote from: TURobY on September 25, 2009, 10:15:33 AM
I'm a member of TYPros. If I ran for mayor, would you honestly think that I'd been groomed to run? Because I can honestly say that I've only ever met 3-4 staff members from the Chamber in my life.
No, I'd call that a typical TYPRO member.
There's probably less than 100 who are active in a meaningful way.
I know Mark Perkins and know his parents and his brother even better. I would disagree he is a tool of the chamber.
Quote from: Wrinkle on September 25, 2009, 11:15:12 AM
Opening it to discussion has potentially revealed something here to date unknown.
And it's that Wrinkle at least jumps to conclusions or at worst sees conspiracies in everything.
Quote from: rwarn17588 on September 25, 2009, 01:17:39 PM
And it's that Wrinkle at least jumps to conclusions or at worst sees conspiracies in everything.
As I understand it, this is a Political Forum.
I was discussing a potential strategy. I see you aren't able to distinguish.
And, everything is absolute, right?
So, what do you think the purpose is of this forum?
Ballet tool. ;D I know what that looks like.
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"Their walls are made of cannon balls, their moto,"don't tread on me"(Garcia/Hunter/Weir/Lesh)
Inhofe, Coburn endorse Bartlett for mayor
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=298&articleid=20090926_298_0_USSens227159
"The senators, both Republicans, in prepared statements said that Bartlett, a former city councilor and the president of Keener Oil & Gas, will lead Tulsa based on conservative principles..."
No sooprise here...these GOP hypocrites support a candidate who has had family value issues as well as a dark past with drugs....
Is this what Tulsa needs? More peeps to make us unattractive in the national search to attract jobs? It's not just about the cost of living. It's about phony politicians, our environment, education and the quality of life none of which the right wing nuts have a clue about....
Barlett's having trouble getting his own party to recognise him as their own. But, Inhofe & Coburn endorsements would solidify that somewhat. What'd you expect them to do, endorse a Democrat?
He's still last on my list.
Quote from: FOTD on September 26, 2009, 01:01:44 PM
"Their walls are made of cannon balls, their moto,"don't tread on me"(Garcia/Hunter/Weir/Lesh)
Inhofe, Coburn endorse Bartlett for mayor
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=298&articleid=20090926_298_0_USSens227159
"The senators, both Republicans, in prepared statements said that Bartlett, a former city councilor and the president of Keener Oil & Gas, will lead Tulsa based on conservative principles..."
No sooprise here...these GOP hypocrites support a candidate who has had family value issues as well as a dark past with drugs....
Is this what Tulsa needs? More peeps to make us unattractive in the national search to attract jobs? It's not just about the cost of living. It's about phony politicians, our environment, education and the quality of life none of which the right wing nuts have a clue about....
If Bartlett's hateful commercials and general demeanor don't turn off voters the endorsement of Inhofe & Coburn certainly will. I think Adelson will have to screw up somewhere not to win.