I thought Pelosi's face would crack when Wilson shouted at Obama:
Remember, this came right after Obama accused other people of lying.
Yeah, only out of some sort of respect thing, the Prez didn't actually use the word "liar" like the guy with Tourettes did.
I heard that during the address too. I don't recall anyone heckling the president - ever - regardless of his party. It's one thing for a bunch of yahoos to shout in a city hall meeting, it's quite another when what bills itself as the world's greatest deliberative body stoops to the same tactics.
Let's hope the minority whip took Rep. Wilson out behind the woodshed.
Quote from: guido911 on September 09, 2009, 08:46:10 PM
I thought Pelosi's face would crack when Wilson shouted at Obama:
Remember, this came right after Obama accused other people of lying.
I'm sure it warmed your heart. ::)
I was proud that Obama pointed out the NUTJOB LIARS in your party (like your Messiah, Sarah Palin)... and their enablers...
It was long overdue.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul
"...in a line apparently aimed at McCain's former running mate, Sarah Palin, Obama accused Republicans of spreading the "cynical and irresponsible" charge that the legislation would include "death panels" with the power to hasten the death of senior citizens."
Quote from: Ed W on September 09, 2009, 08:51:55 PM
Let's hope the minority whip took Rep. Wilson out behind the woodshed.
Doubtful. Limbaugh'll be playing that thing over and over and over.
Quote from: USRufnex on September 09, 2009, 08:58:24 PM
I'm sure it warmed your heart. ::)
It sure did after seeing this:
And how the left in this country responded:
False equivalence. The two aren't really alike at all.
Quote from: we vs us on September 09, 2009, 09:22:06 PM
False equivalence. The two aren't really alike at all.
I am stunned, STUNNED that you would take that position.
One thing I would agree with is that such a statement should have been made in a less formal forum. However, Obama used this forum, where Congressman Wilson works incidentally, to accuse Sarah Palin and the Bush administration of lying in front of millions of people and perhaps this guy just had enough.
Incidentally, anyone notice how the number of uninsured/underinsured dropped from 47 million to 30 million tonight? Could it be that those other 17 million were illegals? Hmmmmmmm.
Anyway, Tapper is twittering that Wilson apologized, saying he let his emotions get the better of him.
Wilson apologizes: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/09/wilson-apologizes-i-let-my-emotions-get-the-best-of-me/ (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/09/wilson-apologizes-i-let-my-emotions-get-the-best-of-me/)
Quote from: guido911 on September 09, 2009, 09:36:33 PM
I am stunned, STUNNED that you would take that position.
One thing I would agree with is that such a statement should have been made in a less formal forum. However, Obama used this forum, where Congressman Wilson works incidentally, to accuse Sarah Palin and the Bush administration of lying in front of millions of people and perhaps this guy just had enough.
Incidentally, anyone notice how the number of uninsured/underinsured dropped from 47 million to 30 million tonight? Could it be that those other 17 million were illegals? Hmmmmmmm.
Anyway, Tapper is twittering that Wilson apologized, saying he let his emotions get the better of him.
Wonder what would have happened if a democrat had done that to Dubya when he was trying to sell the WMD lie? I think you'd be calling for his head.
Sorry, you won't respond anyway, so it's sort of a rhetorical question.
I think he should probably send a letter of apology to the entire Congress and the WH. Respect the office, even if you don't like the office-holder. I would expect anyone regardless of the letter in parentheses next to their names to do the same in a case like this.
Oh, did anyone see Bo(eh)ner's face every time the applause rang down? I considered making a call to have someone tell him to get up off of whatever was causing him such discomfort while sitting.
I thought we were going to have another "don't taze me bro" incident when I saw that.
Quote from: brianh on September 09, 2009, 10:22:36 PM
I thought we were going to have another "don't taze me bro" incident when I saw that.
Sorry, I'm the consummate thread hijacker...
OK, back on topic now...
Quote from: guido911 on September 09, 2009, 09:19:24 PM
It sure did after seeing this:
And how the left in this country responded:
If you don't know or understand the difference between Iraq and the capitol of THIS COUNTRY....
then you, sir, are either delusional, or a liar, or both.
Obama was NOT speaking in a foreign country he invaded in a pre-emptive war....
It just shows me that the same liberal dems you accuse of being unpatriotic are better Americans than the lunatic know-nothings in the GOP and their jack-booted thug followers will ever be.
Wilson got all wee-wee'd up and really needs to change his pants.
Gwee,
FOTD applauds this fool Wilson. After all, this devil would surely have been unrestrained sitting in listening to Dumbya lie his way through eight years to all America with a radical Cheney looking over his shoulder.
Fear not POTUS OBAMA lying to you. It is not in his make up. He is well educated. He is not a dry drunk. He runs a moral and just agenda.
Quit trying to scare America, Wilson. But you do have a right to free speech even if it does make you look like your obnoxious and ridiculous counterparts.
http://www.rules.house.gov/POP/house_comm_dec.htm
I'm especially interested in this section:
QuoteLikewise, it has been held that a member could not:
* call the President a "liar."
* call the President a "hypocrite."
* describe the President's veto of a bill as "cowardly."
* charge that the President has been "intellectually dishonest."
* refer to the President as "giving aid and comfort to the enemy."
* refer to alleged "sexual misconduct on the President's part."
Some decorum there, huh?
Seeing how the thread starter is an attorney, I wonder what would happen if in the middle of the of the judge reading his or her verdict or issuing a statement, that one of the counselors blurted out 'you're a liar'.
Somehow I'm guessing that counselor would wind up either in jail, or in lieu of that, be paying a hefty fine for contempt of court.
Although admittedly, I'm not exactly sure if the House Rules of Decorum apply here or what....since it was address to Congress and not just the representatives.
Awesome...
http://www.joewilson.house.gov/
Now, for those of you checking this later it's likely to be back up, here's what it says at 0140 on 10 Sep:
Joomla! Logo
Joe Wilson
This site is down for maintenance.
Please check back again soon.
And that's it....
I used to run several Joomla sites; you have to manually set that page, so it wasn't brought down by an act other than the webmaster setting a check box. Obviously something prompted it...
For your reference, the House Rules of Decorum. (http://rules.house.gov/archives/house_decorum.htm)
Also, for your reference: H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf)
Quote from: Hoss on September 10, 2009, 01:34:39 AM
http://www.rules.house.gov/POP/house_comm_dec.htm
Seeing how the thread starter is an attorney, I wonder what would happen if in the middle of the of the judge reading his or her verdict or issuing a statement, that one of the counselors blurted out 'you're a liar'.
IRS vs. Holman "Your honor you have misinformed the jury" (off shore banking)
Judge: "You will not be allowed in this court again"
IF I understand the new 'health bill' correctly, all illegal aliens will be required to buy health insurance.
I have questions:
1. How do you enforce that?
2. Who is the enforcement agency?
3. What is the punishment?
4. Where do they buy it?
5. When they don't have it and show up at an ER as a result of a wreck, are they denied treatment?
6. Who pays for the treatment when they don't have insurance?
Quote from: we vs us on September 10, 2009, 06:23:16 AM
For your reference, the House Rules of Decorum. (http://rules.house.gov/archives/house_decorum.htm)
Were these the same rules in 2005:
Quote from: Wilbur on September 10, 2009, 07:18:30 AM
IF I understand the new 'health bill' correctly, all illegal aliens will be required to buy health insurance.
I have questions:
1. How do you enforce that?
2. Who is the enforcement agency?
3. What is the punishment?
4. Where do they buy it?
5. When they don't have it and show up at an ER as a result of a wreck, are they denied treatment?
6. Who pays for the treatment when they don't have insurance?
Good line of questioning. Extra question though, undocumented aliens are leery of any gov't contact for fear of deportation. Will there be some sort of amnesty bill which gets tied to this?
Quote from: we vs us on September 10, 2009, 06:43:57 AM
Also, for your reference: H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf)
What is an affordability credit and how is such related to EMTALA? If there is no such relation, how are medical costs reduced if illegals are still using our ER's as their primary care?
Quote from: guido911 on September 10, 2009, 08:46:44 AM
...how are medical costs reduced if illegals are still using our ER's as their primary care?
We own ER's?
Quote from: guido911 on September 10, 2009, 08:36:18 AM
Were these the same rules in 2005:
Did they blurt out 'liar?
Did I not hear boos at the conclusion of our current President's speech last night.
Nice try.
Wilson has helped Obama's cause by rallying people with his spasm last night.
He screwed up badly for his side.
I thought this would be a rallying cry for the conservative radio squawkers but it looks like they may try to distance themselves from it.
Guido, Wilson bent your folks over.
http://joewilsonisyourpreexistingcondition.com/
Quote from: kylieosu on September 10, 2009, 10:02:04 AM
http://joewilsonisyourpreexistingcondition.com/
This is noteworthy. +2.
Just glad it wasn't a Yorkie, that's all.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 10, 2009, 11:01:45 AM
Just glad it wasn't a Yorkie, that's all.
Keep clicking, Conan, people may not understand your reference. There are a bunch of them, but I think I found the one you were referencing (about the Labrador)...
And I'm thinking of getting my Mother a Yorkie or a Jack Russell (now called a Parsons Terrier for some reason). I've never had a Yorkie but I did have a Jack. How are the Yorkie's dispositions?
Quote from: RecycleMichael on September 10, 2009, 08:57:14 AM
We own ER's?
Funny fail. We do not own ER's, but we sure as he!! pay for the treatment of coughs, colds, and other primary care illegals get in those facilities because of EMTALA mandates.
Everyone is ignoring the fact that just before Wilson's comment, Obama was calling Sarah Palin and others that used the expression "death panels" liars. But calling the pres a liar right back? Well, we can't have that because that lacks civility...Cry me a freakin river.
I guess Wilson is a racist too.
Quote from: guido911 on September 10, 2009, 11:15:15 AM
Everyone is ignoring the fact that just before Wilson's comment, Obama was calling Sarah Palin and others that used the expression "death panels" liars. But calling the pres a liar right back? Well, we can't have that because that lacks civility...Cry me a freakin river.
I guess Wilson is a racist too.
He yelled out "you lie" while Palin was talking as the president of the US in front of congress?
Death panels...you actually believe the government will kill older Americans?
He's from South Carolina, of course he's a racist.
Quote from: Townsend on September 10, 2009, 11:39:27 AM
He yelled out "you lie" while Palin was talking as the president of the US in front of congress?
Death panels...you actually believe the government will kill older Americans?
He's from South Carolina, of course he's a racist.
Get a pacifier. Jeez. Obama called Palin a liar in front of millions of Americans and Congress, but I gather you have no problem with that. As for death panels, of course I do not believe the government will kill older people because this country has no history of ignoring serious medical problems of its citizens (we'll just forget about the Tuskegee syphilis experiment which could lead people to be a little suspicious of government involvement in health care).
Oh, and I know he's a racist b/ he's from S. Carolina. My comment was rhetorical :)
Obama appealed to our better angels; the Republicans appeal to my man Satan's greed and selfishness, plus a glob of racism. It's that simple; it really is.
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Never attribute anything to maliciousness when it can adequately be explained by Tourette's!
Quote from: guido911 on September 10, 2009, 12:23:42 PM
Get a pacifier. Jeez. Obama called Palin a liar in front of millions of Americans and Congress,
He did not, he just said that the death panel idea is untrue, that's not calling someone a liar.
He made no comment as to if she and others making those claims are stupid or liars (or both) or if they are just a dim egomaniacal b!tch.
Quote from: Hoss on September 10, 2009, 11:05:05 AM
Keep clicking, Conan, people may not understand your reference. There are a bunch of them, but I think I found the one you were referencing (about the Labrador)...
And I'm thinking of getting my Mother a Yorkie or a Jack Russell (now called a Parsons Terrier for some reason). I've never had a Yorkie but I did have a Jack. How are the Yorkie's dispositions?
Very loyal, but they can be pretty demanding too, they are very strong-willed and stubborn. They have very big attitudes for such little dogs. Butch does stuff to piss me off all the time, but one look at those huge triangle ears and beady eyes with is head cocked slightly askew and he gets a pass.
/threadjack
Quote from: swake on September 10, 2009, 12:52:47 PM
He did not, he just said that the death panel idea is untrue, that's not calling someone a liar.
He made no comment as to if she and others making those claims are stupid or liars (or both) or if they are just a dim egomaniacal b!tch.
Go to the video at approx :25 sec. He says the word "lie" and references prominent politicians. Who in the hell do you think he was referring to. And thanks for the continued misogyny. You see, I can call you a misogynist simply because you dislike Palin's positions, just as I can be called a racist for disliking Obama's position.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 10, 2009, 01:14:58 PM
Very loyal, but they can be pretty demanding too, they are very strong-willed and stubborn. They have very big attitudes for such little dogs. Butch does stuff to piss me off all the time, but one look at those huge triangle ears and beady eyes with is head cocked slightly askew and he gets a pass.
/threadjack
/threadjack
Sounds like a Jack; I'm used to it. Sounds like a winner.
/threadjack off
No sooprise here: http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/09/10/obama-speech-disrupter-a-health-industry-darling/
Obama speech disrupter a health industry darling
Exposed: Obama speech disrupter received $240,000 from healthcare industry; Largest industry donor
Such a juvenile tactic.
Quote from: FOTD on September 10, 2009, 04:51:53 PM
Such a juvenile tactic.
Like when someone believes they are so important that they refer to themselves in the third person or change identities in order to avoid being banned.
Quote from: guido911 on September 10, 2009, 05:38:33 PM
Like when someone believes they are so important that they refer to themselves in the third person or change identities in order to avoid being banned.
I see you.... http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=Main_Page
O/T Here is GWB's 2006 address to Congress, go to roughly 45:30 of the clip and watch the dems loudly praise themselves and jeer Bush over their stopping Social Security reform efforts. At a little over 46:00, look at the bottom left and see who is gleefully joining these civil Congresspersons.
http://mfile.akamai.com/5913/wmv/whitehouse.download.akamai.com/5913/2006/01/20060131-10.v.asx
Quote from: guido911 on September 10, 2009, 07:46:31 PM
O/T Here is GWB's 2006 address to Congress, go to roughly 45:30 of the clip and watch the dems loudly praise themselves and jeer Bush over their stopping Social Security reform efforts. At a little over 46:00, look at the bottom left and see who is gleefully joining these civil Congresspersons.
http://mfile.akamai.com/5913/wmv/whitehouse.download.akamai.com/5913/2006/01/20060131-10.v.asx
You know, you're right. That's almost exactly like calling the president a liar.
Quote from: we vs us on September 10, 2009, 11:30:14 PM
You know, you're right. That's almost exactly like calling the president a liar.
I see you still have no problem w/ Obama calling Palin a liar. Thanks for playing Mr. Double Standard.
Quote from: we vs us on September 10, 2009, 11:30:14 PM
You know, you're right. That's almost exactly like calling the president a liar.
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Oddly enough with my astigmatism, if I take off my glasses I can see that bottom part almost solid.
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Quote from: guido911 on September 11, 2009, 07:51:43 AM
I see you still have no problem w/ Obama calling Palin a liar. Thanks for playing Mr. Double Standard.
Let's see... first, Obama didn't call out Sarah Palin by name...... unlike Sarah Palin, who calls out our duly elected president as someone who "pals around with terrorists" and endorses "death panels," using her child with Down's Syndrome as a prop....... if Obama, at some point, doesn't respond to this utter BS from a woman who refuses to do her political and historical homework, then it appears what she says is somehow true.
The first thing I think is that Obama shouldn't dignify Palin's out-and-out lying BS with a response.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/09/obama.speech/index.html
He called for serious proposals from Democrats and Republicans to address chronic health care problems and rising costs, but warned he would not "waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than improve it."
"I will not stand by while the special interests use the same old tactics to keep things exactly the way they are," Obama said to growing applause from Democrats. "If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we will call you out. And I will not accept the status quo as a solution. Not this time. Not now."
In the Republican response, Rep. Charles Boustany of Louisiana, a surgeon, called for restarting the health care debate instead of proceeding with policies he claimed were opposed by the majority of the country.
"Most Americans wanted to hear the president tell Speaker [Nancy] Pelosi, Majority Leader [Harry] Reid and the rest of Congress that it's time to start over on a common-sense, bipartisan plan focused on lowering the cost of health care while improving quality," he said.
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"And to my Republican friends, I say that rather than making wild claims about a government takeover of health care, we should work together to address any legitimate concerns you may have."
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Yep. Bout time the president calls out those Republicans who would engage in character assassination by soundbite.... like Sarah Palin.
Quote from: guido911 on September 11, 2009, 07:51:43 AM
I see you still have no problem w/ Obama calling Palin a liar. Thanks for playing Mr. Double Standard.
No, I don't have a problem with him calling her a liar. Because she is. She lied about death panels and continues to lie about them.
But it's really immaterial because he didn't call her a liar anyway.
Let guido keep defending stupidity, I say.
Give 'em enough rope ...
Quote from: guido911 on September 10, 2009, 01:17:40 PM
And thanks for the continued misogyny. You see, I can call you a misogynist simply because you dislike Palin's positions, just as I can be called a racist for disliking Obama's position.
All I said was that Obama didn't call her a liar, nor did he call her dim egomaniacal b!tch. I didn't call her that either. So don't call me a misogynist.
Anyway, the people calling Palin things like a dim egomaniacal b!tch don't have problems with her "positions", because they are mostly Republican party officials that worked with her on the McCain campaign.
I can only suspect that she's a dim egomaniacal b!tch, but I can tell you what I do know, that she's a liar.
Gweedoe doe, WATCH THIS...ALL OF THIS! if you have the ability to stay focused for that time. Just shut up, watch it, and comment in your usual vacuous way.
Stupid people all around in Tulsa talking about Obama inappropriaetly and with a lack of civility....trying to delegitamise the election of Obama....wrong people are our biggest liability to growing the local economy.
You are factualy challenged Guido. But stick around, we wouldn't have had so much fun without you!
2012?
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Quote from: Townsend on September 11, 2009, 01:54:24 PM
2012?
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Hmm. The Alaskan quit bull and the South Carolina cracker.
Quote from: rwarn17588 on September 11, 2009, 03:25:20 PM
Hmm. The Alaskan quit bull and the South Carolina cracker.
Shoot yes, full steam ahead kids.
Quote from: Townsend on September 11, 2009, 03:27:02 PM
Shoot yes, full steam ahead kids.
After Wrangling Between Dem Leaders And Wilson, Censure Now In Works
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/president-obama/after-private-wrangling-between-dem-leaders-and-joe-you-lie-wilson-censure-now-being-considered/
Those a$$holes who never censured Bush are going to censure Wilson? What f@#$ing monsters the Dims are.
FOTD IS THE MIRROR IMAGE OF JIMMY INHOFE!
Quote from: guido911 on September 09, 2009, 09:19:24 PM
It sure did after seeing this:
Bush 'shoe thrower' claims he was tortured in prisonhttp://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/09/15/iraq.shoe.thrower/index.html
Now this is civility:
Will Skelton get censured or whatevered for this?