Here is the editorial: http://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/article.aspx?subjectid=61&articleid=20090815_61_A16_Treous619529
I think we are in for a show down in District 8 - South Tulsa and let's certainly not count out Scott Grizzle who the Tulsa World didn't even mention.
Grizzle has a plan involving Diebold vote counting machines. His computer skills will pull him through.
Voting ain't power, counting votes is.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on August 15, 2009, 09:07:13 PM
Grizzle has a plan involving Diebold vote counting machines. His computer skills will pull him through.
Voting ain't power, counting votes is.
;D
All I need to know is the following:
1. Lakin is endorsed by the Tulsa World.
2. Lakin is using Jim Burdge as his campaign manager (even though he is trying to put on a front that he is using Jeff Stava -- Jeff Stava then calls Jim Burdge to do everything).
3. Lakin is employed by Kaiser (oh I'm sorry it's the Tulsa Community Foundation which is the 2nd foundation to distribute George Kaiser's money).
I'll vote "NO" all day long with the company this guy keeps.
I live out near district 8, where are Grizz's signs?
Quote from: guido911 on August 16, 2009, 04:50:49 PM
I live out near district 8, where are Grizz's signs?
Took longer than expected to get the screen made. Hope to have them tuesday.
More than willing to bring one by your house.
P.S. TulsaWorld is running a story on District 8 next week. Awful nice to run an editorial in advance of the story introducing the candidates.
With the field populated the way it is, shucks, I'd vote for Grizzle for D8 if I lived there. Have to agree with Shely on the Lakin thing. Lost respect for Christiansen when he cratered to being called a racist and then flipped his vote on the Greenwood thing last week. Hard thing to believe in when he says after his vote that he wants to hear everyone's opinion and have all the information to make an informed decision...just funny how that came about after his vote and then getting called a racist, yikes. Does that mean he chose no to make an informed decision before at the first vote?
But I am curious, Grizzle...how would you have voted on that issue? Just for some insight...
Quote from: sgrizzle on August 16, 2009, 04:56:45 PM
Took longer than expected to get the screen made. Hope to have them tuesday.
More than willing to bring one by your house.
P.S. TulsaWorld is running a story on District 8 next week. Awful nice to run an editorial in advance of the story introducing the candidates.
While I do not live in your district, and therefore cannot vote for ya, I do live close enough to help with name recognition. So, yes, PM me when you get your signs.
Since I do live in District 8 and plan to vote for anyone other than Christensen, I'll be looking at 'all available offers' from the other candidates.
wink - wink
Quote from: DowntownNow on August 16, 2009, 06:13:18 PM
With the field populated the way it is, shucks, I'd vote for Grizzle for D8 if I lived there. Have to agree with Shely on the Lakin thing. Lost respect for Christiansen when he cratered to being called a racist and then flipped his vote on the Greenwood thing last week. Hard thing to believe in when he says after his vote that he wants to hear everyone's opinion and have all the information to make an informed decision...just funny how that came about after his vote and then getting called a racist, yikes. Does that mean he chose no to make an informed decision before at the first vote?
But I am curious, Grizzle...how would you have voted on that issue? Just for some insight...
I'm thinking it's time for Christiansen to put all his effort back into selling airplanes. He's had his chance, done his representation. I'm not a tin foil-hatter, but I really don't like the idea of the TW interests and Kaiser interests dominating the council. Bad, bad politics. The answer for you D-8'ers is clear: Grizzle.
Quote from: DowntownNow on August 16, 2009, 06:13:18 PM
With the field populated the way it is, shucks, I'd vote for Grizzle for D8 if I lived there. Have to agree with Shely on the Lakin thing. Lost respect for Christiansen when he cratered to being called a racist and then flipped his vote on the Greenwood thing last week. Hard thing to believe in when he says after his vote that he wants to hear everyone's opinion and have all the information to make an informed decision...just funny how that came about after his vote and then getting called a racist, yikes. Does that mean he chose no to make an informed decision before at the first vote?
But I am curious, Grizzle...how would you have voted on that issue? Just for some insight...
I need to do some more research on it but as I understand it, most project like that do not pay back into the loan because they are non-profit projects. The idea was suggested that since this was a for-profit venture, money from the profits could be funneled back to be used for additional projects. The one fact I've yet to hear is how much they were wanting it to pay back $5? $50,000? 5% of gross? That could make a big difference.
While I haven't agreed with every vote Christiansen has made I think he has done a fairly good job over the years for his district and the city.
On Lakin, given who he works (TCF), given who sits on TCF's board, and given who the major donors are to TCF, how is Lakin not going to be conflicted out of a number of votes? Granted I guess he is the one who is going to decided whether or not he is conflicted out.
Quote from: Jitter Free on August 17, 2009, 12:14:46 PM
While I haven't agreed with every vote Christiansen has made I think he has done a fairly good job over the years for his district and the city.
On Lakin, given who he works (TCF), given who sits on TCF's board, and given who the major donors are to TCF, how is Lakin not going to be conflicted out of a number of votes? Granted I guess he is the one who is going to decided whether or not he is conflicted out.
My concerns would be not only that he would have to recuse himself on some things, but also he would basically be asking his coworkers to make judgements on his projects. Almost makes it hard for them to be impartial. It's one thing to disagree with a councilor about a 3rd party, but to be making decisions about another councilor's work and projects?
FYI: 11:30am tomorrow on 98.5fm/KWGS.com you can hear me debate with Phil & Bill
It was recorded today. I'm sure Lakin fouled out with the TPD and TFD unions (granted the TFD union backs Christiansen anyway)
I think Jeff Stava was staring me down.
Miss Oklahoma was there too... I'm not sure why.
Quote from: sgrizzle on August 17, 2009, 01:49:46 PM
Miss Oklahoma was there too... I'm not sure why.
We sent her there. She is our deciding factor. Whoever made the most eye contact with her is our choice for D8.
Grizzle, it's my understanding that the Council originally wanted Greenwood Chamber to repay the entire loan from any profits generated from the project. The problem I see here is this...it is too easy for a party to end up saying there were no profits generated from the acquisition, construction and operations of such a project when nothing has been presented to show costs and an operating proforma with potential profits.
The other problem I saw with this is the fact that all other CDBG recipients were non-profits, the only one to submit as a for-profit and as a proposed Section 108 Loan program recipient was Greenwood Chamber. The repayment would not apply to non-profits but can see where the repayment would apply to a for-profit venture since Greenwood already stated they anticipated profits from the venture.
As a Section 108 Loan, those funds have to be secured by the current and future CDBG allocations given to Tulsa by HUD, meaning those funds are not available for other potential projects around Tulsa. Also, the ultimate party responsible for default on the loan is the City of Tulsa, not Greenwood Chamber.
Now, any profits generated by the first venture, if any, can go into the next Greenwood Chamber project...essentially trapping that money within the North Tulsa community. While not a bad thing since North Tulsa is in need of more economic growth and development, it robs the other areas of Tulsa to compete for those funds in the future with worthwhile projects themselves.
In the end, City of Tulsa will have to cover the cost of this 'loan'...either through repayment itself to the CDBG fund or through the decreased allocations each and every year.
The same type of repayment goal is evident in the Vision2025 downtown housing fund program. Those funds are channeled into no-interest, typical 10 year loans to encourage private redevelopment with the expectation that those funds will be repaid and channeled into other future projects. To say there is no precedent is mis-leading...and to say that out of this year's CDBG allocation this is the only project forced to repay is also mis-leading. Its more accurate to say the Greenwood Chamber's proposal is the only one for Section 108 Loan Program funding that was required to repay the allocation.
Quote from: sgrizzle on August 17, 2009, 01:49:46 PM
FYI: 11:30am tomorrow on 98.5fm/KWGS.com
Did Dick Lexia post that? I think you mean 89.5.
Quote from: Conan71 on August 17, 2009, 03:10:23 PM
Did Dick Lexia post that? I think you mean 89.5.
Yeah, 89.5fm
Quote from: sgrizzle on August 17, 2009, 05:18:46 PM
Yeah, 89.5fm
Right. And we're going to trust you to keep our books straight? ;D
Funny, I didn't think I was for leveraging a property tax to pay for the Fire Department...
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=262&articleid=20090818_11_A5_Thethr880126&allcom=1#commentform
Quote from: jiminy on August 18, 2009, 06:49:31 AM
Right. And we're going to trust you to keep our books straight? ;D
Darned right. After all, we elected a president that has visited 57 states, reported the deaths of 10,000 people in a Kansas tornado, and loves those Penn State Nittaly Lions.
:D
"Shakin' the Bush, Sapulpa (8/18/2009 9:01:57 AM)
It concerns me that Grizzle:
- WORKS FOR AMERICAN ELECTRIC POWER
- IS OBVIOUSLY SKEPTICAL OF FUNDING POLICE & FIRE
- AND HE WANTS TO RAISE PROPERTY TAXES
G - O - N - E !!!
Lakin seems like a qualified candidate and I hope he continues to pursue his political ambitions.
Christiansen is still my man for District 8. He is very pragmatic, educated, and it seems taht he truly cares about the job he is doing. If he will stick to being a Watchdog for The People's tax money, push for making the Police & Fire ACCOUNT for how their budget is spent, and vote against ANY tax increase, I feel he will be re-elected and will do a good job.
One more thing Councilor Christiansen.... PLEASE... PLEASE push for a new rule or ordinance that would REQUIRE THE TULSA METRO CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO ACCOUNT FOR EVERY DIME OF HAPROX $2M to $3 MILLION IN HOTEL TAX MONEY THEY RECEIVE FROM THE CITY EACH YEAR! THEY ARE USING THIS MONEY DIRECTLY AGAINST MANY OF THE CITIZENS' WISHES WHICH IS A FORM OF TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.
Thanks! "
Hmmm, AEP makes you evil, eh? What ever happened to Kaiser Konspiracies, Komrade? This guy lives in Sapulpa but Christiansen is "his man for D-8".
This has got to be the same knob that wrote the Sapulpa Herald a couple of months ago and said: "To all you hunters who kill animals for food, shame on you; you ought to go to the store and buy the meat that was made there, where no animals were harmed."
Quote from: sgrizzle on August 18, 2009, 09:43:58 AM
Funny, I didn't think I was for leveraging a property tax to pay for the Fire Department...
and apparently "Grizzle sounds a bit short of brain food"
Fun to run for office?
Quote from: Townsend on August 18, 2009, 09:54:53 AM
and apparently "Grizzle sounds a bit short of brain food"
Fun to run for office?
Other than the part about me supporting fire districts I thought the article was pretty good. (in reality I said that I had not read the details on the proposal but applaud the creativity to find more stable funding sources for the city)
And yes, it's a hoot.
P.S. I have signs now.
Walk da 'hood fo' Mo' Shizzle fo' D8: 23 August, 1300-1900. Meet at 7758 E 106TH ST. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=7758+E+106TH+ST,+tulsa,+ok&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=42.360237,79.013672&ie=UTF8&z=16&iwloc=A
Quote from: Grizzle4D8 on August 18, 2009, 10:28:59 AM
Walk da 'hood fo' Mo' Shizzle fo' D8: 23 August, 1300-1900. Meet at 7758 E 106TH ST. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=7758+E+106TH+ST,+tulsa,+ok&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=42.360237,79.013672&ie=UTF8&z=16&iwloc=A
Does Bikerfox know this?
Grizz....nice play in the paper....good comments. Wish Lakin were running for Mayor leaving you the seat. Keep up the good fight.
Lakin is picking up another endorsement, kind of.
A large local bank is hosting a meet and greet for their employees to "Meet The Candidate."
Quote from: sgrizzle on August 22, 2009, 08:56:15 PM
Lakin is picking up another endorsement, kind of.
A large local bank is hosting a meet and greet for their employees to "Meet The Candidate."
Oh, do tell which large bank. The suspense is killing me!
Quote from: Conan71 on August 23, 2009, 10:08:33 AM
Oh, do tell which large bank. The suspense is killing me!
It's Arvest!
Kidding
New article (I notice Lakin submitted a new headshot since the last article)
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=262&articleid=20090823_11_A15_SouthT582740&archive=yes
Grizz, I'm in D8 and I will gladly put a sign out in the yard for ya. :-*
If only you could get The Artist to quit making snide southside remarks....
UTW Article on the race:
http://www.urbantulsa.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid:27933
Grizz is true to his word...thanks. At the time grizz arrived, one small Kashmir toddler escaped and another Kashmir kid was stuck in the car. This unfazed the Grizz, as he is a parent of rugrats himself...thus able to handle anything. Spreadin' the word, brother.
It's only when they get quiet that I get scared. That's when they're drawing on the foyer walls with mascara.
Got your signs placed, then board meeting, then met with Ridge Point later (Inteller's stomping grounds behind super target) and found their citizens to have mixed views on how much Bill helped them with the super target and road widening issues. All the while with a historically repetitive guitar riff stuck in my head.
I am a traveler of both time and space.
Not that I necessarily would've faired better in his shoes, but I think Lakin needs a bit more prep on rebutting opponent attacks. I could've pointed out a month ago what the obvious talking points were and how to argue both sides but Lakin seemed like he was trying to come up with answers as he went. Not sure if that was lack of preparation or just general uncomfortable/nervousness. At one point he called out PJ Lassek and the Tulsa World as if they were intentionally misquoting him, but I chcked into it and found out Lakin's train of thought derailed mid-statement so it just sounded like that.
Lakin said he had no idea where there would be conflicts of interest between the council and his job, save for the ballpark bond money. One member of the audience responded to his answer by rolling his eyes and pretending to toke up.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=262&articleid=20090902_11_A19_ThreeR792421
Quote from: sgrizzle on September 02, 2009, 11:35:32 AM
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=262&articleid=20090902_11_A19_ThreeR792421
You're a shoe in.
Which ex TN poster is Xenu? FB?
Quote from: Townsend on September 02, 2009, 11:41:49 AM
You're a shoe in.
Which ex TN poster is Xenu? FB?
He's usually webmeister on TW. Based on the time of the post and clarity of grammar, I suspect PWI.
Quote from: sgrizzle on September 02, 2009, 11:57:55 AM
He's usually webmeister on TW. Based on the time of the post and clarity of grammar, I suspect PWI.
Good point
Quote from: sgrizzle on September 02, 2009, 11:35:32 AM
pretending to toke up.
Hmmm, I wondered when I saw Lakin's photo if he's one of those closeted dope-smoking GOP's that FOTD claims is out there.