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Title: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: Bat Bat on August 04, 2009, 09:22:23 AM
Yesterday I received an advertisment in the mail for Dewey Bartlett for Mayor that was sent by the Dewey Bartlett campaign and I noticed that it had an Oklahoma City mail stamp on it.  I called Dewey's campaign manager this morning and inquired as to where this advertisment was designed, printed and mailed and the response was that it was all done out of Muskogee and Oklahoma City.  Maybe its just me but shouldn't someone who wants to be the Mayor of Tulsa (a city of declining sales tax revenues) use Tulsa vendors?













   










Title: Re: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: Conan71 on August 04, 2009, 09:25:44 AM
It's not uncommon for local campaign materials to originate out of state either.
Title: Re: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: RecycleMichael on August 04, 2009, 09:40:28 AM
I try to do as much locally as the next guy, but don't think using an OKC or Muskogee vendor is wrong. Maybe they were trusted friends or just really good and or inexpensive...

It seems like a petty point to make. Which campaign opponent are you supporting?
Title: Re: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: Bat Bat on August 04, 2009, 09:52:38 AM
I'm not supporting any candidates.  I don't know who I am going to vote for either.  I just thought it was strange for someone who wants to lead this city to use an out of town vendor.  While I don't personally know any, I assume Tulsa has plenty of qualified designers and printers.  I don't think its a petty point.  I don't even think I was trying to make a point.  I merely posted an issue for comments to see other people's opinions on the matter.
Title: Re: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: rwarn17588 on August 04, 2009, 09:59:10 AM
Quote from: Bat Bat on August 04, 2009, 09:52:38 AM
I don't even think I was trying to make a point. 


Yes, you were. If you didn't have a problem with it, you wouldn't have posted it, correct?

Why don't you e-mail Dewey's campaign and ask about it? Maybe he had a good reason, or maybe it was simply an oversight.
Title: Re: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: sgrizzle on August 04, 2009, 10:32:53 AM
You apparently haven't priced local vendors. I haven't gotten the name but supposedly there is a printer in OKC who is the cheapest in the state for political stuff. Democratic candidates usually have union shops for their printers which saves some $$$.
Title: Re: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: cannon_fodder on August 04, 2009, 10:37:42 AM
Using a local vendor would be a feather in the cap for me.  BUT, if a local vendor does the same job for significantly more money, or a worse job for the same money . . . then I would be happy to see judgment direct that business elsewhere.  I would hope that such a decision would be made when doing business on MY behalf.

In a tie, always choose local.  If it is just price, consider that local adds value to our economy and perhaps offers something more than the cheaper product.  If it is quality or service you are after, consider the benefit of being able to complain just down the road.  But if another product or service out of the local area is superior, then encourage the local vendors to get better by taking your business elsewhere.

At least, that's what I TRY to do.  So I'd appreciate it if my politicians did to.
Title: Re: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: Bat Bat on August 04, 2009, 10:52:49 AM
I haven't priced any local vendors.

Cannon Fodder, thanks for your comment.  Very well articulated. 
Title: Re: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: Hoss on August 04, 2009, 03:34:21 PM
Quote from: Bat Bat on August 04, 2009, 10:52:49 AM
I haven't priced any local vendors.

Cannon Fodder, thanks for your comment.  Very well articulated. 

Not many left.  I used to work for one (Bender Direct Mail).  I remember doing several political mailers back in the day.  TPsi, Automated Mail, CGX maybe.  Can't think of many more.
Title: Re: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: sgrizzle on August 05, 2009, 09:49:33 AM
FYI, He got his shirts printed at Eskimo Joes.
Title: Re: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: cannon_fodder on August 05, 2009, 10:29:26 AM
I got a push-poll call yesterday from a 614 number.  It asked to push the button corresponding with my preferred Republican Candidate for Tulsa Mayor and listed #1 Dewey Bartlett . . . #5 Chris Medlock, #6 other and #7 undecided (I don't recall the middle ones). 

Since Mr. Bartlett was listed first it is generally believed that would be the person paying for the "poll".  Which is, actually, just a way of getting names out.  Coincidentally, when I pushed "7" it didn't register the entry - so I don't think the system was even registering the data.  At least warrants someone asking his campaign if he is paying for automated "push polling."
Title: Re: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: shadows on August 05, 2009, 07:59:45 PM
What is anyone getting upset about in using out of town venders when over 50% of the Tulsa work force live outside of the city.  Include your police and fire department employees.  You furnish cars and gas in some cases for them to commutate to their out of town residents.  I would assume that the needed sales taxes for city operations are collected by the suburbs communities.  You seem to be swamped with the out of town venders extending into the work force.  The suburbs are helping you by collecting the sales taxes for you.     
Title: Re: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: Liz Wright on August 07, 2009, 12:35:40 AM
Hi - I am using local vendors. In fact I am using vendors in my district. (District 4). Small businesses - the tiny ones - the mom & pop sort.

Yes, it may cost a little bit more. But.... 68% of every dollar spent locally stays local. I think it is worth it.

About 90% of what I do in my daily routine occurs within District 4. Not until I decided to run for City Council did I realize just how much I support small businesses. Maybe -  because I am a small business owner I have subconsciously shifted my own routine over the years.
Title: Re: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: Conan71 on August 07, 2009, 09:25:51 AM
Quote from: Liz Wright on August 07, 2009, 12:35:40 AM
Hi - I am using local vendors. In fact I am using vendors in my district. (District 4). Small businesses - the tiny ones - the mom & pop sort.

Yes, it may cost a little bit more. But.... 68% of every dollar spent locally stays local. I think it is worth it.

About 90% of what I do in my daily routine occurs within District 4. Not until I decided to run for City Council did I realize just how much I support small businesses. Maybe -  because I am a small business owner I have subconsciously shifted my own routine over the years.

Liz, do you have a web site?  I live in D-4.  I've only seen Barnes and Gomez signs so far and don't know much about your campaign, but would like to know more.
Title: Re: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: sgrizzle on August 07, 2009, 09:49:02 AM
I think Barnes and Gomez dusted off the old ones. Not making fun of them, but re-running is way easier. Westcott's flyer has a sticker on it updating the election date for 2009.
Title: Re: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: Liz Wright on August 08, 2009, 10:05:27 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on August 07, 2009, 09:25:51 AM
Liz, do you have a web site?  I live in D-4.  I've only seen Barnes and Gomez signs so far and don't know much about your campaign, but would like to know more.

Thanks for asking - You might know that I am a Planning Commissioner. It is excellent training for the council. Here's the League of Women Voters survey and I think there will be an article in the Urban Tulsan next week. No web site yet -

Candidate Questionnaire

City Council – District 4

Name: Elizabeth A. Wright

Address: 1919 S. Florence Ave. Tulsa, OK
Mailing: P.O. Box 52412, Tulsa, OK 74152
Phone: 749-9494
Email: Wright4Tulsa@gmail.com

Biography:

A fourth generation Tulsan and entrepreneur, Elizabeth (Liz) Wright lives in Florence Park with her teenage son, Brooklyn. Liz attended the University of Oklahoma matriculating with a BA in Political Science and a BS in Physics. After graduation, Liz worked for Liberty Mutual in Philadelphia and then for Major Controls as Sales Engineer with an eleven state territory. Transferred to Tulsa in 1991, Liz continued with Major Controls as a Project Engineer until Major sold in 1996. While obtaining her Masters in Education, Liz taught physics at TU and TCC; and opened Tutor Hall Educational Services, LLC in 2002. Volunteer and community participation began in high school and continues to her most recent responsibilities as Florence Park Neighborhood President (2007-09), Tulsa Metropolitan Planning Commission (2008-09), and the Tulsa Preservation Commission (2009).
Liz is committed to supporting small business development, balanced and open land use policies and bringing the citizen voice back to the city.

Organization Affiliations: Present: Tulsa Metropolitan Area Planning Commissioner; Ex-Officio: Tulsa Preservation Commission. Formerly: Florence Park Neighborhood Association President; Junior League of Philadelphia, Junior League of Tulsa; Laughing Matter Improv and acting roles through Tulsa's Heller Theater. Cub Scout Leader

Education:    B.A. Political Science,   1980 University of Oklahoma
      B.S.  Physics – Engineering Physics,  1986 University of Oklahoma
      M.S.  Education: Curriculum & Instruction – Physics Education. 2001. Oklahoma State             University

Experience:  Twenty five years experience in technical, manufacturing, industrial and education. Start up business now in its' 7th year. Extensive interaction with all levels of management, union and non-union personnel, government and public agencies.   Expertise in project management, training and development, problem solving strategies and customer relations. Employers include Liberty Mutual (Loss Prevention and Safety), Major Controls (Project Engineer & Sales Manager), University of Tulsa & Tulsa Community College (Instructor of Physics).

Questions:

1. What are your top priorities for your constituent area?

   a. Local economic development supports, strengthens and stabilizes the community.

   b. Infrastructure: streets, sewer, storm water, transportation, utilities

   c. Land use planning which encourages local economic development; is sensitive to environmental concerns and addresses infrastructure impact.

   d. Increasing the diversity on Tulsa's Boards, Authorities, and Commissions to reflect the population of Tulsa.

   e. Fiscal accountability and review of Public Works.

2. Why should voters elect you?

As a self-employed business owner and head of household income provider I am acutely aware of the everyday issues confronting the home owner and business owner. The City Council affects our quality of living and impacts our property values more than any elected official. Due to exposure of land use and zoning matters as a Tulsa Metropolitan Area Planning Commissioner, I am passionate for the need to have a councilor with planning experience. Citizens need to feel and to know that their city officials are elected to advocate, negotiate and protect their interests.

3. What will you contribute to office if elected?

I will bring my cumulative years of experience in business, education and the community to the city council. Advocating to protect, preserve, enhance and to balance the needs and concerns of District 4 with the city: and to further represent all citizens of Tulsa.  Promoting the unique and distinctive character of District 4 to encourage local economic development to revitalize and energize the heart and soul of Tulsa!

In short, when I became the President of Florence Park I heard and saw needs that required attention. As a TMAPC commissioner, I hear and see needs that deserve attention. As a councilor, I will be able to hear, to see and to do. 
Title: Re: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: Liz Wright on August 20, 2009, 11:02:19 PM
Support District 4 Small Businesses

I would like to credit the Small Businesses that have assisted my campaign thus far:

Bob McCormick Photographers - John McCormick
Classie Clippers - Judy Spence
A&B Printing - Tony
Multiprint - Tracey

Everything that can be done by District 4 is being done by District 4!

Thanks to all!

Liz Wright
Title: Re: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: Liz Wright on August 23, 2009, 11:23:11 PM
The list grows:
Ty's Hamburgers
Abco Rents
Nelson's

Thanks to all!
Title: Re: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: sgrizzle on August 24, 2009, 02:58:59 PM
Is haircutting a campaign expense?

My COMPLETE list of vendors:
Joe Momma's Pizza
Transport Worker's Union Sign Shop
Staples (I needed to make some copies)
Title: Re: Municipal Candidates Not Using Tulsa Vendors
Post by: Bat Bat on August 31, 2009, 08:13:47 PM
I received another mail advertisment today for Dewey Bartlett.  It was mailed out of Oklahoma City using Oklahoma City vendors (political consultants, creative designers, printers, mailers, etc...).  I wonder how many Tulsa people / companies could have done the same work (hopefully even better as you will read below) for the same amount or less.

The Oklahoma City company that did the work was a company called Majority Designs.  Unfortunately, the quality of this firm's work is something to be desired.  They misspelled Dewey Bartlett's name on the cover and then again on the inside.  They spelled it "Dewey Bartlet" in big bold white letters each time.

This is some great quality work coming out of Oklahoma City from Majority Designs.  If you want misspelled mail advertisements use Majority Designs out of Oklahoma City. 

Dewey, I think you should get a refund.  Better yet, I think you should use Tulsa vendors if you want to be the Mayor of the City of Tulsa.

Go Tulsa!!!!