He is only 61. He has got at least six more years in him.
I won't support him. I know a crazy when I see one (kettle-pot).
Whil I won't dispute his mental state, I do really like having 1 person in congress fighting pork.
While I do not believe everybody should be able to have bazooka's or tanks at their house. I do think that he is one of the few people doing what they said they were going to do in office anywhere.
Senator Coburn has proven effective and he's raised America's conscience about waste in government and the shenanigans we are paying for. I think it's worth re-electing him for another term, especially with the run-away deficit spending that will continue for the next few years.
Quote from: Conan71 on June 01, 2009, 12:48:57 PM
Senator Coburn has proven effective and he's raised America's conscience about waste in government and the shenanigans we are paying for. I think it's worth re-electing him for another term, especially with the run-away deficit spending that will continue for the next few years.
+1
Quote from: Conan71 on June 01, 2009, 12:48:57 PM
Senator Coburn has proven effective and he's raised America's conscience about waste in government and the shenanigans we are paying for. I think it's worth re-electing him for another term, especially with the run-away deficit spending that will continue for the next few years.
Agree.
If you guys watched the daily show and all the Ted Stevens yelling was all directed at Coburn.
Quote from: Conan71 on June 01, 2009, 12:48:57 PM
Senator Coburn has proven effective and he's raised America's conscience about waste in government and the shenanigans we are paying for.
You must be living in a different world than the rest of us. He's been utterly ineffective at even making America as a whole aware of waste in government, much less doing anything about it.
Moreover, he says stupid things on a frighteningly regular basis.
This demon might just support him because he gets along with POTUS OBAMA which is more than you can say for %70 of the republijerks.
Quote from: nathanm on June 01, 2009, 02:31:41 PM
You must be living in a different world than the rest of us. He's been utterly ineffective at even making America as a whole aware of waste in government, much less doing anything about it.
Moreover, he says stupid things on a frighteningly regular basis.
You need to get your news somewhere other than Daily Koz, Olbermann, or Huffpo. Being able to single-handedly hold up a bill that has provisions you don't believe in is very effective politics. Regardless of whether or not I agree 100% with Senator Coburn, he's a budget hawk and that's an important issue with myself and millions of other Americans.
Coburn has a lot of respect from both sides of the aisle. He may not be well-
liked, but he's well-
respected.
Can we keep Coburn and all agree to ditch Inhofe?
Coburn ain't so bad. He's got that weird thing about educating the younger staff about venereal disease. But, at least someone in DC stands up for budget issues, even if his position gets taken to some absurd ends.
Inhofe is the really bad guy. It's a disgrace he has been re-elected so many times.
Quote from: Gold on June 01, 2009, 03:23:36 PM
Can we keep Coburn and all agree to ditch Inhofe?
Coburn ain't so bad. He's got that weird thing about educating the younger staff about venereal disease. But, at least someone in DC stands up for budget issues, even if his position gets taken to some absurd ends.
Inhofe is the really bad guy. It's a disgrace he has been re-elected so many times.
I think this will be Inhofe's last term. Just a hunch.
Quote from: Conan71 on June 01, 2009, 03:25:57 PM
I think this will be Inhofe's last term. Just a hunch.
Please, please, please, with sugar on top!
Quote from: Conan71 on June 01, 2009, 03:13:58 PM
You need to get your news somewhere other than Daily Koz, Olbermann, or Huffpo. Being able to single-handedly hold up a bill that has provisions you don't believe in is very effective politics. Regardless of whether or not I agree 100% with Senator Coburn, he's a budget hawk and that's an important issue with myself and millions of other Americans.
Coburn has a lot of respect from both sides of the aisle. He may not be well-liked, but he's well-respected.
Oh, so when you wrote "he's raised America's conscience about waste in government and the shenanigans we are paying for," you meant he's "able to single-handedly hold up a bill that has provisions [he doesn't] believe in."
I guess I'm the fool for responding to what you actually wrote. Not that you responded to what I wrote, either.
He may arguably be an effective obstructionist, but that doesn't mean he's done one iota to make the country as a whole aware of anything.
And as I've said before, I have no more respect for him than I do any of the other Republicans who have suddenly rediscovered their opposition to spending now that a Democrat is in the White House. In fact, he and his ilk have arguably done the most damage possible to our country, what with allowing enormous deficit spending when the economy was doing reasonably well and only now that deficit spending is actually needed do they bother to oppose it. They are completely at odds with economics.
I guess that makes sense, as most Republican Congresspeople are also completely at odds with physical science.
I do agree that Inhofe is the greater threat to rational thinking in Congress. Coburn does at least have the budget hawk thing going for him, after all.
Quote from: TURobY on June 01, 2009, 03:28:33 PM
Please, please, please, with sugar on top!
AGREED! :(
Quote from: nathanm on June 01, 2009, 09:51:13 PM
And as I've said before, I have no more respect for him than I do any of the other Republicans who have suddenly rediscovered their opposition to spending now that a Democrat is in the White House.
Your ability to revise history is admirable.
Quote from: nathanm on June 01, 2009, 09:51:13 PM
Oh, so when you wrote "he's raised America's conscience about waste in government and the shenanigans we are paying for," you meant he's "able to single-handedly hold up a bill that has provisions [he doesn't] believe in."
I guess I'm the fool for responding to what you actually wrote. Not that you responded to what I wrote, either.
He may arguably be an effective obstructionist, but that doesn't mean he's done one iota to make the country as a whole aware of anything.
And as I've said before, I have no more respect for him than I do any of the other Republicans who have suddenly rediscovered their opposition to spending now that a Democrat is in the White House. In fact, he and his ilk have arguably done the most damage possible to our country, what with allowing enormous deficit spending when the economy was doing reasonably well and only now that deficit spending is actually needed do they bother to oppose it. They are completely at odds with economics.
I guess that makes sense, as most Republican Congresspeople are also completely at odds with physical science.
I do agree that Inhofe is the greater threat to rational thinking in Congress. Coburn does at least have the budget hawk thing going for him, after all.
Here you go Nathan, a tid-bit of historical perspective from his HOR career, there's plenty more:
"But in Washington, Tom Coburn's former colleagues in the House of Representtives remember a maverick conservative who in 1999 almost single-handedly forced Congress to cut nearly $1 billion in spending. The Republican vows to be just as tight with taxpayers' money when he returns to Capitol Hill as a senator in January."
(Yes, I know, what's $1bln in DC these days? Point being, he's done what he's been capable of as one in 535 legislators)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/2004-11-03-coburn-profile_x.htm
If you are interested in breaking down your filtered or pre-concieved paradigms about "Dr. No", Google is your friend. He was one of the very few who truly believed in the Contract For America and stuck to it best as possible, including it's term limit pledge. I have little respect for out of control spending in DC, and little respect for members of the GOP that voided their "contract". The only picture I have of Newt Gingrich has been in the center of my dart board, FYI.
I don't agree with a lot of his "moralism", but his heart's in the right place when it comes to fiscal issues.
Quote from: sgrizzle on June 02, 2009, 08:18:51 AM
Your ability to revise history is admirable.
You noticed that too, did you?
Quote from: Conan71 on June 02, 2009, 08:21:05 AM
I don't agree with a lot of his "moralism", but his heart's in the right place when it comes to fiscal issues.
Except for that monster bailout package in late 2008, of course.
Quote from: sgrizzle on June 02, 2009, 08:18:51 AM
Your ability to revise history is admirable.
Thanks. Conan's ability to revise it when it's all laid out in this thread is even more impressive.
As I wrote before, Coburn may well have his heart in the right place (I doubt it, but let's presume he does). He may have even single handedly trimmed a billion dollars from the budget when he was a member of the House. That doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on my initial assertion that he's been ineffective at "rais[ing] America's conscience about waste in government and the shenanigans we are paying for."
Given that America's conscience has not been thus raised, Coburn could not possibly have been effective in raising it.
I'm not commenting about whether he has been effective at other things.
Someone do some research for me. Has Coburn said one word about the biggest money waster in Government? Has he taken on the Pentagon? If so, my opinion of him may improve slightly.