Posted this on another forum. Thought I would share it here.
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During its early, oil boom, heyday Tulsa had many grand hotels. Most are now gone, but a few remain, including the Mayo. For years it lay abandoned, mostly gutted, and falling into disrepair. Finally she is being brought back to life again.
Built in 1925 in the Chicago (Sullivanesque) style and patterned after the Plaza Hotel in NYC, the Mayo Hotel for a brief time was Oklahomas tallest building and had 600 rooms. The rich and famous would stay at this premier hotel which offered the finest amenities of its day. Abandoned for over 20 years, the Mayo seemed destined for the wrecking ball. In 2001 the Snyder family bought the hotel for 250,000$. They began a series of projects to restore the hotel and recently, through various funding arrangements totaling over 40 million dollars, they have embarked on the last leg of restoration. The Grand Ballroom will be completely restored to its former glory. The main lobby, with the grand staircase rebuilt, will also be restored. There will be 76 upscale loft apartments and 100 luxury hotel rooms. Restoration is due to be completed fall 2009.
Old website with interesting tidbits of info.
http://mayohotel.com/index.php?name=gallery (http://mayohotel.com/index.php?name=gallery)
New Website (still under construction)
http://www.themayohotel.com/index.htm (http://www.themayohotel.com/index.htm)
Some old adverts.
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Some images that I have enlarged and computer enhanced.
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Just a tiny sampling of some of the famous people who stayed at the Mayo during its heyday.
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Restoration of the main lobby ceiling.
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Some of the new plasterwork copied from original pieces.
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Most of the floors were completely gutted. Photo by RyanSmartPhotography http://www.flickr.com/photos/rsmart/
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South facing entrance.
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Side alley facing east.
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Current occupant of one of the street level spaces, is Topeca Coffee.
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Even with the main lobby only partially repaired, it has become a favorite place for weddings and other occasions. I cant wait to see how this space looks once its completely done. Images from... http://www.zinkedesign.com/index.php/gallery/ (http://www.zinkedesign.com/index.php/gallery/)
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The "Tulsa Now" forum is sponsoring a tour of the restoration on May 13. I will try to get some updated progress pics.
Very cool! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks William. GREAT to see all the pictures and I'm really looking forward to the opening of that building! I used to office in the ONEOK and would look across the way and shake my head at the waste of that building.
Such a massive under-taking. I'm really glad they managed to save this landmark. So much Tulsa architecture has been destroyed.
I'm a volunteer with the Tulsa segment for the Route 66 Dining and Lodging Guide. I can't wait for it to be open so it can be included as one of the hotel options.
Great to see the grand old dame brought back to life.
Does anyone know when they are planning on opening the hotel? I was in OKC when the Skirvin reopened and it was a citywide celebration. I imagine the same can be said for Tulsa when the Mayo has its grand opening. If there is one building that represents how far downtown has come in the past decade, besides the arena, it would be a restored Mayo.
Where could I find the info on the tour? ???
Quote from: SXSW on May 05, 2009, 12:19:14 AM
Does anyone know when they are planning on opening the hotel? I was in OKC when the Skirvin reopened and it was a citywide celebration. I imagine the same can be said for Tulsa when the Mayo has its grand opening. If there is one building that represents how far downtown has come in the past decade, besides the arena, it would be a restored Mayo.
I totally agree. This is such a big deal and very meaningful for people who have long wanted to see progress in downtown. I'd like to see a citywide celebration, so long as they don't junk it up like they did with the Belvedere.
Like the previous posts, I would like to see the grand reopening be a celebration. I would hope the city would be as excited about this as they were for "miss belvedere." At least it appears that the Mayo is guarenteed not to dissapoint. Thanks again for the post.
See the Mayo in May!
TulsaNow is hosting a free tour of the Mayo Hotel on Wed, May 13. Tours will be held at 4:30 and 6:00 PM. Please RSVP to: info @ tulsanow.org. Tours are limited to 25 people for each time slot.
The tour will include the Crystal Ballroom, completed lofts, and of course, the lobby and Grand Staircase.
A lot of people are eager to see this Tulsa icon as it returns to its former glory. It's still a work in progress, but the building is stunning. (You'll appreciate the work that has been done in comparison to some of the "before" pictures shown above.)
Thanks again to the Mayo Hotel and the Snyder family for inviting us to share in the excitement as the Mayo nears completion.
Today's Tulsa World reports that the Mayo Hotel will be opening to guest 4 months sooner than originally planned - by the end of September. This is great news. It is hard to overstate the significance of the Mayo's rebirth, both as a practical matter and as a symbol of downtown's renewal.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=32&articleid=20090806_32_A1_Asuite516183
Quote from: DTowner on August 06, 2009, 10:29:26 AM
Today's Tulsa World reports that the Mayo Hotel will be opening to guest 4 months sooner than originally planned - by the end of September. This is great news. It is hard to overstate the significance of the Mayo's rebirth, both as a practical matter and as a symbol of downtown's renewal.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=32&articleid=20090806_32_A1_Asuite516183
Great news
I bet they are really disappointed in their choice of carpenters given the cost savings, quality of work, and the fact the job will be done early . . . ;)
I don't know any of the history of this building so i was wondering why it closed down in the first place? Was it back at some period when Tulsa had fallen on hard economic times or did they just run it into the ground and never upgrade things?
Quote from: cannon_fodder on August 06, 2009, 10:45:21 AM
I bet they are really disappointed in their choice of carpenters given the cost savings, quality of work, and the fact the job will be done early . . . ;)
I'm thinking of hiring some folks to protest them for their early completion.
Quote from: brianh on August 06, 2009, 10:45:28 AM
I don't know any of the history of this building so i was wondering why it closed down in the first place? Was it back at some period when Tulsa had fallen on hard economic times or did they just run it into the ground and never upgrade things?
There's a great time line on the hotel in the World story this morning dating back to 1980. It explains the convoluted path that got it here today.
Thanks. Those are incredible pics! We have had two fund raisers there in the lobby and it was total fun. I actually attended a Shell Credit Card function (Xmas party?) there in the late 70's in the ballroom. Can't wait to see it again. If I were single and much younger, I'd be giving those new lofts a serious look too.
Quote from: TTownGen4 on August 10, 2009, 03:43:03 PM
Thanks. Those are incredible pics! We have had two fund raisers there in the lobby and it was total fun. I actually attended a Shell Credit Card function (Xmas party?) there in the late 70's in the ballroom. Can't wait to see it again. If I were single and much younger, I'd be giving those new lofts a serious look too.
C'mon. Loft living isn't just for the Young and Restless. You can do it - older and hitched.
Am very excited about this project. It alone will not turn downtown but is certainly a vital cog - and easily one of the nicer rens. I hope to get invited to a function in the Ballroom soon.
Were they going to host an open house again?
Who knows the costs of the lofts? I know different sizes will cost different. Will they be rentals or purchases? Trying to find something in the downtown area, but nearly all are rentals. Think I would be more interested in something to purchase.
Quote from: Wilbur on August 11, 2009, 06:16:26 AM
Who knows the costs of the lofts? I know different sizes will cost different. Will they be rentals or purchases? Trying to find something in the downtown area, but nearly all are rentals. Think I would be more interested in something to purchase.
Rentals for now; Same with the Philtower lofts. It seems like someone said that the funding on both of the buildings dictated that the lofts had to remain apartments for ~5 years before they could be considered for purchase, but I can't remember.
I too am more interested in the purchase of housing downtown that is within my price range, but most everything is either rental or priced out of my range. That is pretty much the only reason that I don't live downtown.
Just my 2 cents, but I wish a requirement for receiving Vision 2025 funding was that at least 10% of the units had to be affordable (below market rate or something along those lines for at least the first owner). I don't understand why they have to be rental, as though being rental makes them somehow affordable.
Quote from: tshane250 on August 11, 2009, 08:21:47 AM
Just my 2 cents, but I wish a requirement for receiving Vision 2025 funding was that at least 10% of the units had to be affordable (below market rate or something along those lines for at least the first owner). I don't understand why they have to be rental, as though being rental makes them somehow affordable.
I think it would have something more to do with ownership of the property remaining in control of the group using the funds, therefore they are responsible for maintaining the property and not turning it over for a quick sale and profit. I believe I heard that the Mayo is also received funding from the National Trust, they have their own rules governing grant funding that could have them in full ownership for the five years before they are released to sell the property and/or apartments.
As for the affordability, I found myself drooling over even the one bedroom apartments (around $740) and that I could be spending less on living in the Mayo with way more amenities than the morgage+bills I currently have on my house.
The Mayo is gonna be awesome! One of the few good expenditures for 2025.....
Quote from: Wilbur on August 11, 2009, 06:16:26 AM
Who knows the costs of the lofts? I know different sizes will cost different. Will they be rentals or purchases? Trying to find something in the downtown area, but nearly all are rentals. Think I would be more interested in something to purchase.
the apartments were running from $700's (one bedroom) to $2,500ish (two levels - multiple bedrooms/balconies). No guarantee but in 5 years you may be able to purchase a used apartment.
The only thing that I found to be irritating was that nearly every single apartment had a shower entrance with an angled wall. We were told the design is supposed to mimic the 'exact angle of the BOK center'. The showers ranged in size from appropriate to super large, I might say that if you want a door on your shower or some privacy from a pair of binoculars you'll need to special order some tiles to fill in the angle or get an angled door installed (ps please dont hit your head).
The views are excellent but the windows are not so solar friendly...they are installing shades though :-\
Quote from: Ihearttacos on August 17, 2009, 04:33:51 PM
I might say that if you want a door on your shower or some privacy from a pair of binoculars you'll need to special order some tiles to fill in the angle or get an angled door installed (ps please dont hit your head).
Or you could just close your blinds or bathroom door when taking a shower. Probably a little easier than installing a custom door. The only way someone with binoculars could see you in the shower would be if you had an apartment with a bathroom door that happened to line up with a window, had your blinds open, left the bathroom door open, and then stood in the doorway to the shower. So basically, if you are trying to be an exhibition you might be able to get lucky (pun intended).
Also, I entered a few of the showers with no problems at all. The only way you could hit your head is if you missed the 2' space that is 7 feet tall - and that would take a large head! I thought they were unique and somewhat odd, but the angled shower doors certainly weren't a major issue.
Want to give a huge public apology to Ryan Smart Photography for not having credited him with the photos that I used of his on the first post and have now added the credits above his pics. I also want to point out that I adjusted a couple of the images I posted so what you see there does not reflect his actual artwork which you can find on his website. www.ryansmartphotography.com I had run across these pics on flickr while on one of my "hunting for interesting pics of Tulsa" searches, and had not seen his website before. He has some nice work and I want to apologize again for not having credited him earlier and even possibly have sent some work his way as a result of people seeing them and knowing who took them. Yes, I am paying for the pics since I had used them on here, and boy its not cheap lol. I am hoping he lets me have a couple more months to get the money together to pay for them :-\.
Quote from: TheArtist on August 25, 2009, 10:05:08 PM
Want to give a huge public apology to Ryan Smart Photography for not having credited him with the photos that I used of his on the first post and have now added the credits above his pics. I also want to point out that I adjusted a couple of the images I posted so what you see there does not reflect his actual artwork which you can find on his website. www.ryansmartphotography.com I had run across these pics on flickr while on one of my "hunting for interesting pics of Tulsa" searches, and had not seen his website before. He has some nice work and I want to apologize again for not having credited him earlier and even possibly have sent some work his way as a result of people seeing them and knowing who took them. Yes, I am paying for the pics since I had used them on here, and boy its not cheap lol. I am hoping he lets me have a couple more months to get the money together to pay for them :-\.
He must have been really ticked. I hope he cuts you some slack, at least time wise.
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 25, 2009, 10:58:21 PM
He must have been really ticked. I hope he cuts you some slack, at least time wise.
Yea, its costing me about a weeks worth of work,,, and I am already behind on bills since things have been so slow lately. When it rains it pours. Guess its what I get for not doing my due diligence when posting pics. Took a couple others off that I didnt take notes on so dont have any clue as to who took them. Don't want someone else tracking me down and coming after me. I have been very good lately about taking notes like that, but wasnt always so and have a lot of pics that I dont remember where they came from.
Artist,
The pictures are posted on flickr under a creative commons license:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rsmart/1607425861/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rsmart/1607421903/
Under the terms of that license you have to give attribution for his work, which you failed to do. But you never claimed rights to the images, pretended they were your own, made commercial gain, or from what I can tell did anything with the image that would otherwise violate the license or had any personal gain. Nor is there indication that he has, nor intends to utilize the image for commercial gain. Thus, proving that he was damaged in any way would be very difficult. I hope you offered to buy them feeling bad that you failed to provide an attribute and it wasn't a forced transaction.
The man has some very impressive photos (particularly in difficult light situations), but I hope he isn't forcing you to pay egregious prices under threat.
No threat, just got a bill that said I had 30 days to pay a little over 1,400$ for the 4 pics of his I have on imageshack and posted on the website. I sent him an apology letter and said that I would add the attributions and hoped that I could send some work his way, and even that we might be needing a photographer for the Deco Ball if he were interested. And that I would try to pay him as soon as I could but that it might take me longer than one month, I dont have that kind of extra money this month. I made a mistake, but dont want him to be angry with me. I will take the images down if he wants, but if I am going to have to pay for them will go ahead and leave them up. Still havent heard back from him yet. Each set of the pics always had ryansmartphotography on the tag when I hosted them, and you can see that when you click on the pic to save or enlarge cause thats the way I saved them, except for the ones immediately underneath that I had resized to fit better on the page. So no, I did not mean to say they were mine in any way or use them to make money, etc. and people could always trace them back to him as the original photographer. But I still should have made the effort to attribute them to him more obvously.
Sounds like he's being a bit rough on you. I guess I could understand a little better if you were trying to gain financially by using his images. Sorry to hear about the hassle.
I would argue that it falls under "Fair Use" as well. I might pay the photographer a small donation, but there is no way that I'd give the photographer $1,400 for 4 photos that weren't used in commercial manner and were instead used for education purposes.
Quote from: TURobY on August 26, 2009, 11:22:36 AM
I would argue that it falls under "Fair Use" as well. I might pay the photographer a small donation, but there is no way that I'd give the photographer $1,400 for 4 photos that weren't used in commercial manner and were instead used for education purposes.
I'm trying really hard to bite my tongue. It's about to bleed.
I'd never heard of Ryan Smart before. Now I have and I like his work, but to be perfectly honest I'm pretty turned off by his handling of this. Not to say that I've got any pending photography work, but he wouldn't be the first person I'd call if I did.
He got some added exposure to others who might not have known his work before, or at least never put a name with the work. Granted the man is an artist and has a right to make money from his work and others should not make money off his work without compensating him, but that's not what transpired in this case.
Step 1: take pictures and post on the internet with a creative commons-license
Step 2: Have people use them in a discussion on not-for-profit web forums
Step 3: Demand $350 per photo used
Don't take this as legal advice, I haven't really research this issue (though it is interesting), but . . .
Show me you gained from this in any way. Show me that he was in any way damaged. Show me that this was anything but an honest and harmless mistake. Otherwise show me another artist that is attempting to make it by extorting someone else.
Seems proper attribution, an apology, and some agreement could be in order. And perhaps he can make a legal claim for payment in full. But then demand rights to the photos, prints, and whatever else you would usually get when you pay full price ($350 to use a digital print on an internet forum?).
More interesting question - can you sue for damages over the "theft" of intellectual property that was not being used for commercial purposes? Framed like that the answer is no (per the famed Victor Decosta / Have Gun Will Travel case). Would that fly in small claims court? Together with the fact the images were digital and not utilized for personal gain in any way - perhaps they would. Is it worth the risk in small claims court?
Offer something in full accord and satisfaction. Otherwise he's being an unreasonably prick in my most humble opinion
/I am not making a professional judgment on the merits of any case that may presently exist or may exist in the future. Just vomiting random thoughts onto the internet. Also could be someone tainted by the fact that one of the parties is a friend . . . so, yeah.
For $350 a pic, I'd ask for the copyright to each photo.
You should just paint his picture and then send him a bill for $1400
It's a shakedown. Don't pay him. As CF states, his grounds for demanding that money is exceptionally flimsy, not mention draconian. Especially since you've gone to great measures to apologize, attribute authorship, and otherwise offer to take them down.
Don't do it, Artist.
Quote from: we vs us on August 26, 2009, 02:24:47 PM
It's a shakedown. Don't pay him. As CF states, his grounds for demanding that money is exceptionally flimsy, not mention draconian. Especially since you've gone to great measures to apologize, attribute authorship, and otherwise offer to take them down.
Don't do it, Artist.
To this point, I'd say the guy has gotten well over $1400 in free advertising, wouldn't you wevus? Of course, his PR gaffe isn't helping to take advantage of it.
Ryan Smart - meet the internets. Internets - meet Ryan Smart.
Your only fault was failing to attribute the photos. I agree with cannon_fodder. Attribute the photos, apologize, and maybe make a donation. that's it.
I agree with Nik and CF. He posted them on flickr with a creative commons license saying you could use them as long as you give credit. This is the EXACT same thing that dsjeffries had with planitulsa awhile back. They went in and added credits, and everything was resolved. You own him no dinero.
how much did you "adjust" the photos?
What does that mean exactly?
I can see that you cropped his photos and that you perhaps altered the colors.
do you think that might have something to do with it?
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/2.0/deed.en
No Derivative Works — You may not alter, transform, or build upon this work.
so basically, you saved his photos, altered them, hosted them somewhere else and didn't give him credit.
yeah...
If the terms are "use the image and give credit" he should have asked you/reminded/demanded you to give credit, and you should have done so immediately (which I understand you did!) ....
Offer apology, and end of story....
Money grab, shakedown, I dont have a Roget's handy or will to go to an online thesaurus right now but you get the point....
If you did not, or try to profit from your honest mistake then in my opinion he is being UNREASONABLE.....
Bad PR for him...
Let's see whats his name again? I'll remember his attitude if his name comes up again....
RYAN SMART - DO NOT POST THINGS UNDER CREATIVE COMMONS AND THEN EXPECT TO BE PAID. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MOVE ALONG.
Hopefully your marquee strategy will finally solve the problem.
look at the photos WtA posted on imageshack vs the originals on flickr.
He altered the original work.
That clearly violates the CC license.
Sure, this happens all the time and people get away with it all the time.
If I were the photographer I'd be trying to protect my work (livelihood) as well.
I don't think this would be an issue had WtA linked directly to flickr.
The issue as I see it, is the fact he altered the photos (cropped, perhaps contrast?) and then put them on a different site. Ryan Smart might have this photo hanging in his gallery for sale.
Would WtA the artist be allowed to grab the photo off the wall, draw some "improvements" on it, cut half of it off and give it to a friend without paying the photographer for it?
B/c that's essentially what he's done, except in digital form.
Quote from: PepePeru on August 27, 2009, 12:53:44 PM
how much did you "adjust" the photos?
What does that mean exactly?
I can see that you cropped his photos and that you perhaps altered the colors.
do you think that might have something to do with it?
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/2.0/deed.en
No Derivative Works — You may not alter, transform, or build upon this work.
so basically, you saved his photos, altered them, hosted them somewhere else and didn't give him credit.
yeah...
I may have cropped them, I would have to look, and I do think I "brightened" them as well. Its easy when you have photoshop to simply go, "hmm that looks a little dark, and then hit the curves setting to lighten things a bit". When I saved the pics I did write on the "save as" ryansmartphotography so that I would know who took them. I do that with all the photos I save anymore so that I can attribute them, or if I want to use one in a painting I can go back and ask permission. I got lazy and didnt post that on the thread, or go back and look up his info on flickr to see if he allowed sharing or what. But if you go to save the pic I have on here of his, or look at the info about the pic on image shack, you will still see the "ryansmartphotography" on them. Click on the first pic of his to try and save it and see what comes up. That has always been there. I have thousands and thousands of pics on my computer to use as inspiration for artwork. See my last post on the Decopolis thread where I took an architectural element from a photo then used the design on the building as inspiration for the logo/poster. Since I changed the image "more than 25%" which I think is the legal amount lol. and also my artwork is so entirely different that it can not be said to be derivative of the photo or competing with the photo,,, its ok.
But yes, imo, I was wrong on 2 accounts. Making the adjustments, then not clearly attributing them like I should have. I also get the point on linking back to the place where you got the photos so that others can then look and see what his policies as to sharing, are. So I have added the link to his flickr account. Or would I have to post by each photo what his policies are?
yep, you were wrong, but I don't see how that entitles him to the damages that he's asking. You violated the contract and your rights were terminated so you took them down. How is that not done. I'd make him prove that you profited or that he incurred damages. Sounds like he's just trying to hard sell you a license.
Just my $.02, I think, and I am not an expert, if you are a professional, and you put images out on the net that you want to share and protect you should take the time to find a way to post it so that it can not be copied/save as form, or at least watermark it so as to remove the water mark would altar the image enough to warrant it useless.
There are so many sites that you can copy pictures from, and by sites I includes alot of news media sites, that you can copy from, and some that even have linke so you can download as a wallpaper for free.
Quote from: jne on August 27, 2009, 02:28:23 PM
yep, you were wrong, but I don't see how that entitles him to the damages that he's asking. You violated the contract and your rights were terminated so you took them down. How is that not done. I'd make him prove that you profited or that he incurred damages. Sounds like he's just trying to hard sell you a license.
Actually I havent taken them down lol. If I have to pay I will keep them up. If I didnt pay, I would still have to delete them since merely attributing them wont solve the fact that I adjusted them. But even with deleting them I would still have to pay because he hasnt given me the option to delete them and not pay.
Quote from: PepePeru on August 27, 2009, 01:37:31 PM
Would WtA the artist be allowed to grab the photo off the wall, draw some "improvements" on it, cut half of it off and give it to a friend without paying the photographer for it?
B/c that's essentially what he's done, except in digital form.
Says the man using a copyrighted Simpson character with no attribution and presumably no payment as an Avatar. Or is it OK for you to take someone else's artwork and use it in digital form while not pretending it is your and in a manner not generating personal gain? Just asking, because some would argue that Krusty the Klown's image is used purely to generate profit and as such damages for the use thereof could be more significant.
Sent your $350 to NewsCorp, c/o Rupert Murdoch, NYC, NY.
;)
Quote from: cannon_fodder on August 27, 2009, 02:39:09 PM
Says the man using a copyrighted Simpson character with no attribution and presumably no payment as an Avatar. Or is it OK for you to take someone else's artwork and use it in digital form while not pretending it is your and in a manner not generating personal gain? Just asking, because some would argue that Krusty the Klown's image is used purely to generate profit and as such damages for the use thereof could be more significant.
Sent your $350 to NewsCorp, c/o Rupert Murdoch, NYC, NY.
;)
So how much did you pay TU? ;) And college tuition does not count!
Quote from: TheArtist on August 27, 2009, 02:33:36 PM
Actually I havent taken them down lol. If I have to pay I will keep them up. If I didnt pay, I would still have to delete them since merely attributing them wont solve the fact that I adjusted them. But even with deleting them I would still have to pay because he hasnt given me the option to delete them and not pay.
In that case, he's blowing it. He should have billed you for oh......$35,000. Yep that sounds about right. Make that per photo. And that is if you take them down immediately.
Quote from: dbacks fan on August 27, 2009, 02:43:03 PM
So how much did you pay TU? ;) And college tuition does not count!
I'm blatantly using the logo without paying for it. I admit it. I also painted it on various things without paying for it. I intend to make a TU logo to attach to my sail too. I'm bad, I know it. TU can send me their ultimatum and I'll just scan in my season tickets (I own the tickets, right?) and use that as a logo. ;D
Then again, my stance kinda fits in with my argument. Not using it for personal gain. Not harming the interest of the party that owns it. Not claiming it as my own. No harm no foul!
there is a whole set of 'simpsons avatars' to chose from.
so i choo-choo-choosed one.
i guess its part of the 'simple machines forum' code.
I am not saying I agree with the apparent strongarm tactics and feel bad that William has suffered financially b/c of a mistake.
Personally, I would have asked the photos be taken down first. If I didn't get a proper response to my request, then I would have went w/ some more aggressive tactics.
However, I can see the photographer's point as well, in his attempt to protect his work and livelihood.
I wonder how long it will be before this issue blows up like it did with Napster over music? I realize that we are not talking file sharing, but it does present an issue over copryrighted/trade mark material. If I sell an image to an entity, do I give up my rights as to how the image is used? (Or in the case of facebook you have no rights to the image after it's posted)
Quote from: PepePeru on August 27, 2009, 02:51:44 PM
so i choo-choo-choosed one.
Nice. Just harassing you . . .
Quote from: cannon_fodder on August 27, 2009, 02:49:50 PM
I'm blatantly using the logo without paying for it. I admit it. I also painted it on various things without paying for it. I intend to make a TU logo to attach to my sail too. I'm bad, I know it. TU can send me their ultimatum and I'll just scan in my season tickets (I own the tickets, right?) and use that as a logo. ;D
Then again, my stance kinda fits in with my argument. Not using it for personal gain. Not harming the interest of the party that owns it. Not claiming it as my own. No harm no foul!
I think you should stencil:
"LABOR DISPUTE"on your sail
Well, I called Ryan and talked to him. I apologized once again and told him that I put the "attributed to" stuff on the pics. He seemed like a really nice guy, thanked me for being so prompt in correcting the problem and said "just tear up the bill". We talked for a bit, he said something similar had happened to him once and it taught him to be more careful as well.
Lesson learned. From now on I will always attribute when I need to. Plus I should have done it anyway just to be supportive of other local artists.
So no dissing the guy. He was just teaching me a lesson. 8) At least he let me go, from the sound of his story, could have been worse.
Happy ending and the guy is empathetic.
Glad you smoothed it over and he's reasonible. He just gained 1000 PR points.
Good to hear. Maybe he learned a lesson too - about the value of positive PR. I would much rather be supportive of this local photographers work. He has some great looking shots
Glad to hear that things worked out well.
Quote from: Conan71 on August 27, 2009, 11:12:46 PM
Happy ending and the guy is empathetic.
Glad you smoothed it over and he's reasonible. He just gained 1000 PR points.
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Good deal. I guess I should have thought of the fact that he was protecting his work by over reacting but open to a reasonable solution. I'm damn glad because I like his work. ;D
Anyone have information about the hotel restaurant that will be in the Mayo? I can't wait to overpay for a club sandwich just to have a meal in the old hotel.
Went on the tour Tuesday and they said the hotel and the restaurant will be open in 2 weeks. It looked like they have a lot of work to do to meet that goal. Can't wait to eat there. I am pushing for my workplace to have our Christmas party in the Crystal Ballroom.
The work is coming along well though. I think it is a lot further along then it looks, just the dust covers up so much. I was surprised to learn that they already have people living in the apartments.
I was suprised as well that they already had people living there. They are so happy to live there that they don't mind the dust and construction. They will probably get it done in 2 weeks. They just built a new Sonic by my house in what seemed like 2 weeks.
There's a couple tour buses parked outside and the parking across the street is blocked off..... Any idea what's going on?
Quote from: BKDotCom on September 14, 2009, 01:41:55 PM
There's a couple tour buses parked outside and the parking across the street is blocked off..... Any idea what's going on?
Maybe BritBrit's already in town, since her concert's tomorrow night.
It could also be the "supergroup", Chickenfoot, who's at the Brady tonight.
There were some people on the TW website commenting that Britney Spears and crew are some of the first guests in the hotel... don't know if that is true though.
I'll confirm or deny this tomorrow night.
I'm impatiently awaiting the night I see the big Mayo sign on the roof lit up.
As an aside, they lit the sign on the Mayo Building at Fifth and Main for a week or so a few weeks back, but not since then. Must've been just testing.
Quote from: TheTed on September 15, 2009, 11:59:24 AM
I'm impatiently awaiting the night I see the big Mayo sign on the roof lit up.
They are working on the sign as I type. (scaffolding set up arround it).
As far as the Brittney "rumor"... the 4 tour-buses that were at the Mayo when I left work are now in the loading area of the BOK Center (along with 10 others and 30+ semis)...
And now that Brit is on her plane heading out, I can say yes, her and the other performers did get the honor of staying at the Mayo Hotel after all these years. I wish I could report as to her stay there, but unfortunatly I did not get to talk to anyone that stayed there (The rest of the crew stayed at Crown Plaza). However, while waiting on one of the late arivals at the airport, I was speaking to a couple of elderly women working in the Information booth. I chanced on one of them straitening up the Oklahoma Magazine with the story on the cover, and got to talking to them about it. Both were daughters of oilmen, and were delighted to know that the Grand Lady is being brought back to life, and they shared some of their memories with me. I hope the Mayo can bridge many generation gaps in the years to come.
It will be cool if the Mayo becomes "the" place again. I expect it will for most people on tour, but others probably prefer a routine. Not that Brittany particularly excites me, if I wanted to see an out of shape donkey stroll around the stage lip syncing and acting like a whore I'd go to more karaoke nights (I kid, but only kinda).
Quote from: cannon_fodder on September 16, 2009, 09:41:18 AM
It will be cool if the Mayo becomes "the" place again. I expect it will for most people on tour, but others probably prefer a routine. Not that Brittany particularly excites me, if I wanted to see an out of shape donkey stroll around the stage lip syncing and acting like a whore I'd go to more karaoke nights (I kid, but only kinda).
I'm not a Brittany fan myself. I was joking with some of the folks there that I DID know a couple of her songs, once I heard a couple from my time that she had redone. But she does put on a decent show with a 15 minute circus and what not. Too bad there were a lot of empty seats.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on September 16, 2009, 09:41:18 AM
It will be cool if the Mayo becomes "the" place again. I expect it will for most people on tour, but others probably prefer a routine. Not that Brittany particularly excites me, if I wanted to see an out of shape donkey stroll around the stage lip syncing and acting like a whore I'd go to more karaoke nights (I kid, but only kinda).
It appears headed in that direction. Can't wait for the grand opening.
I was in the downtown tag agency yesterday and overheard another patron give their address as: "115 W 5th"...I yelled out "you live in the Mayo" (apparently I am that guy)and he was so excited to talk about how much he loves living there.
After I left I walked down 5th street I stopped and spoke...to...a doorman at the Mayo! I'm stunned by how much I love having this building alive again.
Quote from: carltonplace on September 23, 2009, 09:38:02 AM
I was in the downtown tag agency yesterday and overheard another patron give their address as: "115 W 5th"...I yelled out "you live in the Mayo" (apparently I am that guy)and he was so excited to talk about how much he loves living there.
After I left I walked down 5th street I stopped and spoke...to...a doorman at the Mayo! I'm stunned by how much I love having this building alive again.
Are you sure the fellow at the tag agency wasn't one of the Carpenter Union "contract" workers? ;)
Anybody know if the bar is open yet? Looked pretty sweet from the pictures. I assume it's separate from the restaurant.
It's a bar/restaurant...so not separate. According to Macy Snyder, they purposely wanted great food with a more casual atmosphere...because they want everyone to feel comfortable and come for lunch, happy hour, dinner, late night, etc.
You'll notice that they left the steel beams exposed b/c of the cool rivets. The beams that were used to construct the Mayo were originally intended for a bridge somewhere. When the bridge funding fell through, the Mayo folks bought the steel and used it for the hotel. You'll also note some other industrial steel "decor." This is from the original boiler that they salvaged from the basement. Again, cool rivets exposed. Nice.)
Here's an article from the Tulsa Business Journal about the restaurant.
http://www.tulsabusiness.com/article.asp?aID=963973.2331349.644969.286111.81511.601&page=1 (http://www.tulsabusiness.com/article.asp?aID=963973.2331349.644969.286111.81511.601&page=1)
TBJ Article
Bringing the Glory Back
Natasha Ball
9/12/2009
Hand-cut steaks, housemade pate, chicken fried steak and handcrafted chocolate desserts. Each of these foodie delights will be available at the renewed Mayo Hotel, in downtown Tulsa at Fifth Street and Cheyenne Avenue.
The executive chef at the reborn Mayo is Neall Bailey, who comes to Tulsa from the Willard Hotel in Washington D.C. Bailey, who has worked with Michelin-starred chefs in kitchens from Switzerland to Italy to New Orleans, along with a staff hired away from some of the most prestigious hotels and event centers in the country, will bring on the edibles as the hotel says to Tulsa, "Hello again – no, really, we mean it this time."
Food lovers can get their first taste of what chef Bailey has to offer late this month when the doors of Trula, the fine dining restaurant still under construction on the southwest side of the ground floor of the boutique hotel, open to the public.
Kitchen construction is in the final phases. The chandeliers are hung, the walls are half-painted and the bar will be outfitted with granite within the next few days.
The restaurant was named for Trula Austin, a fixture in the hotel during its heyday and the resident who, for longer than any other Mayo dweller, lived in the hotel, for a total of about 25 years.
The menu, under construction since early July, is being built around food that Bailey promised would be "accessible, locally driven and reasonably priced."
"We're buying beef from local ranchers and pork and chicken from nearby farmers. Tulsa's Farrell Family Bread will supply us with their artisan bread. We'll smoke our own salmon and make our own pasta and more in-house. We want control of the food from start to finish. We're going to take all this really good stuff and make it shine," Bailey said.
The menu will star dishes from the annals of Oklahoma cuisine, from burgers and chicken fried steak to ribeyes, beef tenderloin and braised short ribs, all dressed up and ready to impress, as any meeting at the Mayo would require. The restaurant will be open for lunch and dinner and will offer breakfast plates as well.
The 2,000-SF space, sporting an urban, industrial-chic design starring artifacts of the rescued Mayo (including a boiler plate integrated into the bar and dining room), will seat about 80, with more seating on the patio outside. Mark Hawley of Tulsa-based Hawley & Co., a contemporary furniture design shop, drew up the design for the restaurant.
Pricing the menu pricing was a balancing act of knowing and aiming to improve on what competitors are charging and the going rate for ingredients like ranch-cut beef untreated with hormones or antibiotics.
"That stuff comes at a premium," Bailey said. "It's expensive just for us to buy it. By the same token, we have several dinners priced $15-20, as well as several shared plates. We'll have daily specials, too."
Food service at the Mayo won't stop at Trula. Guests in any of the 102 suites at the Mayo will be able to keep their full kitchens dark and cool and order room service from a menu distilled from the restaurant instead. Room service will be ready to go when the hotel opens mid-month.
One of the many perks of residing in one of the 76 lofts in the Mayo, along with housekeeping, valet laundry and personal shopping services, will be the freedom to live as a hotel guest, putting in orders for room service alongside the more temporary Mayo inhabitants.
The first nuptials to take place in the 16th-floor Crystal Ballroom since its renovation, an event for 300 scheduled for Oct. 3, will mark the debut of banquet and special event food service at the Mayo. The special event portion of the food service operation will serve as the icing on the cake in the nine wedding and meeting spaces offered at the Mayo, which accommodate up to 400 guests.
"This is a world-class offer," Bailey said. "You could transfer the ballroom to anywhere in the world and it'd stand easily on its own. This is going to be the best hotel in the state."
"When I saw that ballroom, I was convinced. I was on my way to Tulsa," he added. "I grew up in Vancouver, and Tulsa is very much like Vancouver when I was a kid. It's like a big city with all the amenities, but with that small-town feel. People wave and say hello here. In D.C., it's all about the hustle and bustle. I feel more at home here."
"Because of its location, the Willard Hotel was tied in with the development not just of Washington D.C., but with the development of the nation as a whole," Bailey said. "The Mayo Hotel is just as integral to Tulsa."
The food services staff at the Mayo will be comprised of some familiar faces, including that of Stephen Howard, principal at local sweet shop Kokoa Chocolatier. He was awarded the contract for pastries and desserts at the Mayo Hotel and at Trula.
"It's great for me; I'm a pastry guy. This move will allow my company to focus on pastry and chocolate. I had fun doing food on Brookside, but I'm ready to get back to pastry," Howard said.
"We'll come up with some signature, show-stopper desserts that are all Mayo, all Stephen – a true partnership," Bailey said. "His desserts are excellent. I've eaten desserts all over the world, but I was blown away when I went to KoKoa. He is a master at what he does."
The Brookside location of KoKoa closed earlier this summer. Howard will be building and baking his desserts for the Mayo from the downtown location of KoKoa Chocolatier at 510 S. Boston Ave.
For the dessert menu at the Mayo, Howard is in the mood for "lots of seasonal fruit, and lots of chocolate."
"The Mayo was quality," Howard said. "It was beautiful statement of what Tulsa is all about, especially in its glory days. For Kokoa to be a part of that is thrilling."
The Mayo Hotel, purchased for $250,000 in 2001 by the Snyder family, is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. The renovation project was awarded funding from the Vision 2025 initiative, passed by voters in 2003. The Mayo Hotel is a member of Summit Hotels & Resorts, as well as the Historic Hotels of America, a National Trust for Historic Preservation distinction.
The steel beams
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I ate at Trula's on Staurday for lunch (after my coffee fix at Topeka). The restaurant is stunning.
Quote from: carltonplace on September 29, 2009, 03:12:36 PM
I ate at Trula's on Staurday for lunch (after my coffee fix at Topeka). The restaurant is stunning.
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I went to a reception last week in the Mayo Hotel penthouse. Fantastic! Classy, beautifully decorated, great drinks/appetizers, awesome views from the roof (we saw a stunning sunset over the river) terrific customer service from the staff. (I love how everyone I've met who works for the Mayo is proud to be a part of history. They have such fondness for the building and respect for its past.)
Also excited to see the Mayo rooftop sign shining over downtown Tulsa.
Hard to believe how close we were to losing this Tulsa treasure. Thanks again to the Snyder family for their dedication, passion and sensitivity in saving and restoring this grand old piece of Tulsa. (Not just a building, but a part of us. A place where the shared memories of a community come together. Ask any Tulsan who was alive when the Mayo was in its heyday, and listen to their stories: proms, weddings, celebrations, honeymoons, famous visitors, special memories...treasures.)
Quote from: PonderInc on November 03, 2009, 06:01:52 PM
I went to a reception last week in the Mayo Hotel penthouse. Fantastic! Classy, beautifully decorated, great drinks/appetizers, awesome views from the roof (we saw a stunning sunset over the river) terrific customer service from the staff. (I love how everyone I've met who works for the Mayo is proud to be a part of history. They have such fondness for the building and respect for its past.)
Also excited to see the Mayo rooftop sign shining over downtown Tulsa.
Hard to believe how close we were to losing this Tulsa treasure. Thanks again to the Snyder family for their dedication, passion and sensitivity in saving and restoring this grand old piece of Tulsa. (Not just a building, but a part of us. A place where the shared memories of a community come together. Ask any Tulsan who was alive when the Mayo was in its heyday, and listen to their stories: proms, weddings, celebrations, honeymoons, famous visitors, special memories...treasures.)
I noticed the sign lit up tonight on my way back to my car after the hockey game. I felt a little swell of pride to see the neon light for the Mayo again.
Quote from: Hoss on November 03, 2009, 10:48:26 PM
I noticed the sign lit up tonight on my way back to my car after the hockey game. I felt a little swell of pride to see the neon light for the Mayo again.
I saw something on the tv with it lit up. I just happened to look up when it was on screen, still have no idea what it was about lol.
Are there any webcams or anything that might show the sign? I have never seen it lighted.
Quote from: TulsaSooner on November 04, 2009, 06:32:48 PM
Are there any webcams or anything that might show the sign? I have never seen it lighted.
Best I could do at 10 pm with no tripod...
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Cool....thanks! ;D
Saw it the other day from the highway. a glorious sight.
Pretty good for a handheld shot.
Quote from: Red Arrow on November 05, 2009, 11:35:17 AM
Pretty good for a handheld shot.
Using a Nikon D40 doesn't hurt. Next game I go to I'll have better glass (longer zoom) and I'll take the photo from the top level of the garage at 1st & Cheyenne.
Quote from: Hoss on November 05, 2009, 11:49:05 AM
Using a Nikon D40 doesn't hurt. Next game I go to I'll have better glass (longer zoom) and I'll take the photo from the top level of the garage at 1st & Cheyenne.
You may want to consider a locally available "tripod" like a car roof, utility pole etc with the longer lens. Does the D40 have image stabilization? My (point and shoot 6x optical zoom) Canon A710is does but it drops out for really long exposures required for low light.
Quote from: Red Arrow on November 05, 2009, 12:26:26 PM
You may want to consider a locally available "tripod" like a car roof, utility pole etc with the longer lens. Does the D40 have image stabilization? My (point and shoot 6x optical zoom) Canon A710is does but it drops out for really long exposures required for low light.
In Nikons the image stabilization is done in the lens, not the camera body.
Quote from: Red Arrow on November 05, 2009, 12:26:26 PM
You may want to consider a locally available "tripod" like a car roof, utility pole etc with the longer lens. Does the D40 have image stabilization? My (point and shoot 6x optical zoom) Canon A710is does but it drops out for really long exposures required for low light.
I've got a tripod I keep in the car trunk.
This new lens I'm getting does have IS; Nikon calls it
Vibration
Reduction (VR). I'll likely use the top of my car and park on level 6 of that garage. I may just get out the tripod. I have a remote for the camera as well.
And Swake not all Nikon lenses have VR. The 18-55 that came with mine as a kit is not a VR lens. This new one however, does have it. Can't wait to try it out; it's on the UPS truck right now to be delivered today.
If you go over a few blocks by the Williams buildings you can get a great straight on shot.
Quote from: joiei on November 05, 2009, 01:16:16 PM
If you go over a few blocks by the Williams buildings you can get a great straight on shot.
Wouldn't that be behind the sign?
Quote from: Hoss on November 05, 2009, 01:03:30 PM
I've got a tripod I keep in the car trunk.
This new lens I'm getting does have IS; Nikon calls it Vibration Reduction (VR). I'll likely use the top of my car and park on level 6 of that garage. I may just get out the tripod. I have a remote for the camera as well.
And Swake not all Nikon lenses have VR. The 18-55 that came with mine as a kit is not a VR lens. This new one however, does have it. Can't wait to try it out; it's on the UPS truck right now to be delivered today.
I'm looking forward to a crystal clear shot. The moon is nearly full. That should help the buildings show some detail but still allow the lit signs to show well, I think.
Quote from: TulsaSooner on November 05, 2009, 01:24:10 PM
Wouldn't that be behind the sign?
Actually, I took that photo here:
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So if I go up to roof of the parking garage (which is towards the Williams Center) then I'll be more in front of it.
Took these the night of So You Think You Can Dance (October 30) but haven't had time to add them here.
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You can see it on the far away downtown shot that KOTV uses during their newscasts...usually before the weather.
For all those who have not seen the finished interior, here are some shots of the Crystal Ballroom and Main Lobby I took this weekend. Enjoy!
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My initial reaction to being in the new lobby is that it is a bit cold and sterile. Perhaps a lobby bar would help, not just the one in Trula, the restaurant off the lobby which you have to go through the bar to get to. And the hosts stand is by the door leading out to the sidewalk. That was confusing.
Quote from: joiei on November 09, 2009, 11:24:42 AM
My initial reaction to being in the new lobby is that it is a bit cold and sterile. Perhaps a lobby bar would help, not just the one in Trula, the restaurant off the lobby which you have to go through the bar to get to. And the hosts stand is by the door leading out to the sidewalk. That was confusing.
I thought the lobby was a bit "cold and sterile" too. But it looks much better now with the drapery in place. It still really needs some more touches however. Some large flower arrangements on top of the round seating thingeys, and some palms scattered here and there, would go a long way to finish things up and make it feel cozy yet grand. A large deco painting hanging on the middle landing of the stairs, or a pair of them to either side "Think I might know someone who could make some custom ;D" would look stunning. Or at this time of year a giant wreath on the landing part and garland all around on the upper railings would be nice.
If you look at old pictures (or old movies), the lobbies of big buildings were generally cold and sterile. What made them warm and alive was the presence of PEOPLE. That will come. People will be mingling from the bar, the coffee shop, the apartments, the hotel and events.
Well, it did have a bit more detail in the mouldings back in the day... and see,,, plants, and even greenery along the railings. :) I also like the large tables with seating around them and the lamps. Seems more cozy.
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In earlier times they were big on flowers, greenery and palms in the grand hotels and restaurants. Adds a welcoming sense of warmth, luxury and elegance.
Another Mayo Lobby pic. Look at the beautiful palms framing the entrance. Classic elegance. Larger tables and lamps during this time as well. Definitely looks cozy and inviting. Its nice to be in a grand hotel lobby and find your own comfortable spot to chat, relax, look at a paper or magazing, people watch and just enjoy the ambiance in general.
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Couple more,,,The Alvin and Hotel Tulsa
Palms are a bit on the whimpy side in this one imo lol. But at least they had them.
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