These goofs sure don't:
Coburn, Inhofe condemn report on extremists
They say its "bizarre" guidelines label veterans and those with certain widely held beliefs as potential terrorists.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=12&articleid=20090418_16_A13_Oklaho844560
Incredible. These two are the worst of American Senaturds.
Quote
"Under DHS' bizarre guidelines many of our founders, were they alive today, would be classified as potential terrorist threts," Coburn said Friday. "This carelessly written and poorly reasoned report is offensive to not only our veterans, but to every American who is passionately committed to the ideals of limited government, life and liberty that made our country great."
I was expecting the usual idiocy we get from these two, but no. This gem had to be thrown in at the very beginning.
No, you think? Our founding fathers? Terrorists? No..they were freedom fighters! ::)
Morons.
I think I get it. Profiling Americans (especially those who fight for Janet's freedom to be a fat, lying pig): Good. Profiling Middle Easterners flying on our airlines: Bad. Hey aox, remember 9/11?
Quote from: guido911 on April 18, 2009, 01:57:27 PM
I think I get it. Profiling Americans (especially those who fight for Janet's freedom to be a fat, lying pig): Good. Profiling Middle Easterners flying on our airlines: Bad. Hey aox, remember 9/11?
Hey Guido...thanks for posting. Just got back from getting my BILL MAHER tickies and see you've responded! Are you going downtown to see Maher tonight? Some inteeligent honest humor. Unlike your Boss whose humor is somewhat veiled and totally dishonest.
There are now 926 white supremacist/right wing groups operating in the US now from what Southern Poverty Law Center says..
I think membership jumped up 2k the day after the election alone.
Guido, where did you stand on the Patriot Act when Bush was president? How did you feel about the government infiltrating anti war groups and arresting potential protesters? Just remember when you thought "homeland security" was a good idea?
Sucker. Now read yourself up on reality: http://crooksandliars.com/node/27456
"First they came for the ragheads, and I did not mind, because I was not a raghead...."
Quote from: nathanm on April 18, 2009, 01:16:23 PM
No, you think? Our founding fathers? Terrorists? No..they were freedom fighters! ::)
I agree but suspect the British of the time may have thought differently.
OKC = Inside Job, Unexploded ordinance was removed from the debris..
Quote from: altruismsuffers on April 20, 2009, 02:28:06 AM
OKC = Inside Job, Unexploded ordinance was removed from the debris..
911
OKC
Waco
Moon Landing
JFK
Holocaust
Pearl Harbor
Our government is so awesome at these things.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on April 20, 2009, 09:30:33 AM
911
OKC
Waco
Moon Landing
JFK
Holocaust
Pearl Harbor
Our government is so awesome at these things.
You forgot the Giants kicker missing that Super Bowl field goal and Ken Jennings winning 77 Jeopardys in a row.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on April 20, 2009, 09:48:11 AM
You forgot the Giants kicker missing that Super Bowl field goal and Ken Jennings winning 77 Jeopardys in a row.
Take that back Michael. Ken Jennings was an Electrical Engineer. Its not like he was a lawyer or something. Totally not a conspiracy.
Quote from: altruismsuffers on April 20, 2009, 02:28:06 AM
OKC = Inside Job, Unexploded ordinance was removed from the debris..
No there wasn't.
Quote from: Wilbur on April 20, 2009, 09:54:21 PM
No there wasn't.
Ok, I just showed a clip of the days news reporting secondary devices inside the building. Lots of evidence that here, what have you provided? NOTHING
-
Live news -"The first bomb that was in the Federal building did go off, it did the damage that you see right there. The
SECOND EXPLOSIVE was
FOUND AND DIFFUSED. The
THIRD EXPLOSIVE THAT WAS FOUND that they are working on right now as we speak I understand, both the
SECOND and THIRD EXPLOSIVES if you can imagine this, were larder then the first."
-People running away because of
ANOTHER BOMB-
Oklahoma Bomb Squad moving in-
Justice Department "A
Second Explosive device has been found in the AP Murrah Building."
-
Federal Authorities confirm that a
SECOND BOMB has been found inside that Federal building in Oklahoma city.
-
Governor Frank Keating "The report that I have is that
one device was deactivated apparently there is
ANOTHER DEVICE."
-
Randal Heather (Terrorism Expert) "It was a great stroke of luck that we actually have got
DIFFUSED BOMBS"
Until your refute my claim with
EVIDENCE.... go home Wilbur
Quote from: altruismsuffers on April 20, 2009, 11:44:44 PM
Ok, I just showed a clip of the days news reporting secondary devices inside the building. Lots of evidence that here, what have you provided? NOTHING
-Live news -"The first bomb that was in the Federal building did go off, it did the damage that you see right there. The SECOND EXPLOSIVE was FOUND AND DIFFUSED. The THIRD EXPLOSIVE THAT WAS FOUND that they are working on right now as we speak I understand, both the SECOND and THIRD EXPLOSIVES if you can imagine this, were larder then the first."
-People running away because of ANOTHER BOMB
-Oklahoma Bomb Squad moving in
-Justice Department "A Second Explosive device has been found in the AP Murrah Building."
-Federal Authorities confirm that a SECOND BOMB has been found inside that Federal building in Oklahoma city.
-Governor Frank Keating "The report that I have is that one device was deactivated apparently there is ANOTHER DEVICE."
-Randal Heather (Terrorism Expert) "It was a great stroke of luck that we actually have got DIFFUSED BOMBS"
Until your refute my claim with EVIDENCE.... go home Wilbur
I WAS THERE.
We all know the media never makes a mistake.
The "second bomb" was a dummy device used in reverse stings. It did not contain explosives. Your clip was a joke as the so-called-reporters have no idea what they're talking about and making up crap as they go along. Watch any 24-hour news channel.
Two more larger bombs then the first one? Really? Do you realize who large they would have to be? And the hundreds of law enforcement people who were there, including me, totally missed them all?
Tin foil, please. Or, maybe, I'm part of the conspiracy. I'll never tell.
How do we know you are the real "wilbur"?
Your profile picture shows you as a cow, yet you type very well for a hoofed-creature.
168 people died, the source of the explosion was virtually incinerated, and you expect the immediate news coverage to be 100% accurate? I remember from the original coverage that they later identified subsequent "bomb materials" as being from the feds office in the building and not real bombs.
For reference, this is what media and police refer to as an explosive device:
(http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Third_Party_Photo/2007/01/31/1170282492_9493.jpg)
I can't believe I'm reading this. Apparently, for altruism, everything's an inside job.
There's a word for people like alt.
Suckers.
Except for Alt the Murrah bombing was an inside job.
He's not just a conspiracy nut. Over time he's revealed a pretty consistent world view, and a pretty ugly one at that. Alt is an anti-government quasi-Christian anti-Semitic new world order conspiracy nut. And that's just the kind of people that bombed the Murrah.
Troofers have a ton in common with White Supremacy groups and I would guess they are very interrelated.
Think about it, what does Alt's common Troofer world view have in common with White Supremacist groups?
"Jews control the world government using shadow government, companies and banks. They caused the US government to bomb the World Trade Center faking evidence blaming Muslims so that gun rights and others could be removed while starting a war to distract the population while a new world order is established under a single government."
How about that world view has everything in common with White Supremacists?
While there are many people that are more into conspiracy theories than others. Everybody shouldn't forget that false flag propaganda must be watched out for.
Quote from: Know Nothing on April 21, 2009, 01:13:15 PM
Sooooo even as the international power clique openly talk about a new world currency, disarming Americans, creating a North American Union, instituting population controls, and are even now looting our country and selling future generations into perpetual debt - believing what 'they' say makes one an anti-Semetic racist. Right-o.
So, exactly who is this "international power clique" and could you please document your assertion "openly talk about a new world currency, disarming Americans, creating a North American Union, instituting population controls"
One rule, no Toofer sites allowed.
Quote from: swake on April 21, 2009, 01:32:53 PM
So, exactly who is this "international power clique" and could you please document your assertion "openly talk about a new world currency, disarming Americans, creating a North American Union, instituting population controls"
One rule, no Toofer sites allowed.
To be fair, I remember Limbaugh specifically talking about this exact same sort of crap in 1994ish. While I hate to call Limbaugh "not fringe," he has a lot of listeners.
Quote from: Know Nothing on April 21, 2009, 01:49:16 PM
. . . a loose affiliation of millionaires and billionaires and, baby, these are the days of miracle and wonder, this is the long distance call . . .
Excellent post, and so well referenced.
Fail.
Please try again.
Again, with emphasis
So,
exactly (exactly can be taken to also mean "Specifically") who is this "international power clique" and could you please
document your assertion "openly talk about a new world currency, disarming Americans, creating a North American Union, instituting population controls"
One rule, no Toofer sites allowed.
I'm adding no blathering unreferrenced YouTube rants allowed either
Alright lets think critically here, if there were bombs inside the building... A Federal building.... Maybe they would want to save face and say, "Oh those were ours, they were for exercises" not "We screwed up majorly and somehow they got bombs inside a Federal building"
If you were there Wilbur I am sure you know Terrance Yeakey, the first police officer on the scene. He was about a block away when the bomb blew up. Somehow he ran right up to the scene and started saving people right away. Interesting that he didn't cough or get burned by the toxic gases that an Anfo bomb creates. It is interesting also that after he started challenging the official story of the Anfo bomb that he "killed himself" by slitting his wrists and neck, beating himself up, changing his mind and started walking for help, and then shot himself in the head at point blank range.
Quote from: altruismsuffers on April 21, 2009, 02:49:40 PM
Alright lets think critically here, if there were bombs inside the building... A Federal building.... Maybe they would want to save face and say, "Oh those were ours, they were for exercises" not "We screwed up majorly and somehow they got bombs inside a Federal building"
If you were there Wilbur I am sure you know Terrance Yeakey, the first police officer on the scene. He was about a block away when the bomb blew up. Somehow he ran right up to the scene and started saving people right away. Interesting that he didn't cough or get burned by the toxic gases that an Anfo bomb creates. It is interesting also that after he started challenging the official story of the Anfo bomb that he "killed himself" by slitting his wrists and neck, beating himself up, changing his mind and started walking for help, and then shot himself in the head at point blank range.
Unreferenced and full of half truths mixed with lies. The hallmarks of a troofer post.
What really happened, a very sad story:
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/05/11/us/a-policeman-who-rescued-4-in-bombing-kills-himself.html
A Policeman Who Rescued 4 in Bombing Kills Himself
A police sergeant who rescued at least four people at the site of the Oklahoma City bombing committed suicide this week but left no note, prompting friends and co-workers to speculate that he was driven by guilt at not being able to have saved more lives and by despondency over a troubled family life, the police said.
The sergeant, Terrance Yeakey, 30, was found on Wednesday in a field near his hometown, El Reno, about 30 miles west of Oklahoma City. Sergeant Yeakey had apparently tried to slit his wrists, then shot himself to death, three days before he was to receive the department's medal of valor, the police said.
Sergeant Yeakey and his friend Officer Jim Ramsey were among the first policemen to reach the scene of the bombing, which killed 168 people at the Federal Building on April 19, 1995. Sergeant Yeakey rescued at least four people before falling through two floors of the building and injuring his back.
"He had a lot of guilt because he got hurt," Officer Ramsey said.
Sergeant Yeakey was divorced and was legally prevented from entering the house he and his former wife had shared with their daughters, ages 2 and 4, Officer Ramsey said. When asked about possible reasons that Sergeant Yeakey might have been despondent, Officer Ramsey said, "His ex-wife, his love for his two daughters that he could not see."
The police are investigating a report that Sergeant Yeakey had violated an order barring him from going near his former wife, said Capt. Bill Citty, a spokesman. Sergeant Yeakey also had a similar order against her, Captain Citty said. Efforts to locate her today were unsuccessful.
Officer Ramsey, 27, who is to receive the city's medal of valor along with nearly 90 other officers on Saturday for the bombing rescue. He choked back tears today while clutching a pile of letters from children praising Sergeant Yeakey, who had taught in the department's youth anti-drug program since August and had been on force for six years.
Repeatedly hailed as a hero of the bombing's immediate aftermath, Sergeant Yeakey shied away from the attention, said his supervisor, Lieut. Joe Ann Randall.
"There are some people that like to be heroes and some that don't," Lieutenant Randall said. "He was not one that wanted that."
Many police and rescue workers wear a golden pin in the shape of a ribbon to honor the victims. But Sergeant Yeakey would not wear the pin or return calls from the people he rescued, Lieutenant Randall said.
Sergeant Yeakey was attending night classes and working as a security guard in his off hours to pay child support, Officer Ramsey said.
Lieutenant Randall recalled an optimistic discussion of Sergeant Yeakey's future in the department just two days before his death.
"He was inspiring," she said of his work in the anti-drug program. "He brought joy into the unit."
Co-workers described Sergeant Yeakey as a larger-than-life figure among the students he taught in the anti-drug program, known as D.A.R.E., for Drug Abuse Resistance Education. He used humor along with his booming voice, imposing height and muscular physique to capture the children's attention and deliver the often dry messages, Officer Ramsey said.
Many students in his classes broke down in tears on Thursday when told of Sergeant Yeakey's death.
"Our D.A.R.E. officer is very funny," one child wrote in a letter. "He makes boring things a lot of fun."
Swake my reply was actually to Wilbur. I have met and spoke with the Yeakey family at an event in OKC where they were speaking out trying to get an investigation of what they feel was the MURDER of their beloved family member. I will find some "legitimate" news articles for you even though we all know the news is bought and paid for.
Spending Billions on PR to Sway World Opinion
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/05/pentagon-spending-billions-pr-sway-world-opinion/Pentagon (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/05/pentagon-spending-billions-pr-sway-world-opinion/Pentagon)
Associated Press finds that over the past five years, the money the military spends on winning hearts and minds at home and abroad has grown by 63 percent, to at least $4.7 billion this year
A Fox News article, they are not a "troofer" site right? You should eat this Shi* up.
No news, no filters, Terrance Yeakey's wife tells her story
Part 1
http://www.apfn.org/audio/tyeakey1.rm (http://www.apfn.org/audio/tyeakey1.rm)
Part 2
http://www.apfn.org/audio/tyeakey2.rm (http://www.apfn.org/audio/tyeakey2.rm)
p.s. It does not match the "official" story
Quote from: altruismsuffers on April 22, 2009, 01:52:32 AM
No news, no filters, Terrance Yeakey's wife tells her story
Part 1
http://www.apfn.org/audio/tyeakey1.rm (http://www.apfn.org/audio/tyeakey1.rm)
Part 2
http://www.apfn.org/audio/tyeakey2.rm (http://www.apfn.org/audio/tyeakey2.rm)
p.s. It does not match the "official" story
Wow, a family member who doesn't want to believe a loved one committed suicide, say it isn't so.
Also, your pattern of ignoring all evidence that you don't agree with is tiring.
Quote from: altruismsuffers on April 22, 2009, 01:15:46 AM
Swake my reply was actually to Wilbur. I have met and spoke with the Yeakey family at an event in OKC where they were speaking out trying to get an investigation of what they feel was the MURDER of their beloved family member. I will find some "legitimate" news articles for you even though we all know the news is bought and paid for.
Spending Billions on PR to Sway World Opinion
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/05/pentagon-spending-billions-pr-sway-world-opinion/Pentagon (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/05/pentagon-spending-billions-pr-sway-world-opinion/Pentagon)
Associated Press finds that over the past five years, the money the military spends on winning hearts and minds at home and abroad has grown by 63 percent, to at least $4.7 billion this year
A Fox News article, they are not a "troofer" site right? You should eat this Shi* up.
your link is dead.
And even if you find the article, according to you everything the main stream media says is a lie, so is this a lie or the truth, and how would you know?
Quote from: Know Nothing on April 22, 2009, 11:03:38 AM
You sir, are the failure. Sorry, but I will not do your term paper for 'New World Order 101.'
In other words you have nothing except what your stoned buddy Alt told you one night when you two were hitting the bong. It sounded good then so it MUST be true.
Quote from: swake on April 22, 2009, 11:35:18 AM
Wow, a family member who doesn't want to believe a loved one committed suicide, say it isn't so.
Also, your pattern of ignoring all evidence that you don't agree with is tiring.
Yeah when a member of the police force "kill them self" then it is there job to harass the family and ignore protocol. You of course did not listen to the interview.
What evidence? Wilbur "said" he was there, somebody else "said" they were dummy bombs. I have been provided with no evidence to back up the official story.
P.S. This interview was done several years later and she is actually fairly jovial
Quote from: Know Nothing on April 22, 2009, 11:03:38 AM
You sir, are the failure. Sorry, but I will not do your term paper for 'New World Order 101.'
Well the subject for this thread is "Remember Murrah?" I am sticking to the topic at hand here, and you were the one asked for references my friend. Maybe I think your a "conspiracy theorist".
I am now guessing that you must be full of sheet because you should know that I am the only one on this entire forum that will back you on "new world currency, disarming Americans, creating a North American Union, instituting population controls, and are even now looting our country and selling future generations into perpetual debt".
Quote from: swake on April 22, 2009, 11:35:54 AM
your link is dead.
And even if you find the article, according to you everything the main stream media says is a lie, so is this a lie or the truth, and how would you know?
I am giving what you asked for MSM, you feel that it is credible, it does not matter what I think.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/05/pentagon-spending-billions-pr-sway-world-opinion/
Quote from: altruismsuffers on April 22, 2009, 11:41:45 AM
I am giving what you asked for MSM, you feel that it is credible, it does not matter what I think.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/05/pentagon-spending-billions-pr-sway-world-opinion/
It DOES matter because if what you say about the MSM is true, why would this story ever get published?
I knew about this story before you posted it. You were just sloppy with your linking.
I agree that there are parts of this story that are disturbing. The amount of money spend to get military focused press releases out is wrong. The Bush Whitehouse also paid a conservative talk show host to deliver his message.
BUT, this story exists, and that line item in the military budget exists, and Bush did pay (and got caught paying) a talk show host. There really is a law against the military using propaganda inside the United States. If the MSM (Fox in this case) was just a tool of the government, an American version of Pravda, then the Bush administration would have never needed to pay a talk show host, the military wouldn't need to spend so much money to get their message out and the military using propaganda inside the United States wouldn't be illegal. And this story would never have been written.
So, I say again, is this story a lie or truth. Because it makes no sense to lie about this stuff and if what you say about the MSM is true, why would any of this be needed?
Quote from: Know Nothing on April 22, 2009, 11:55:31 AM
No, I really just do not know who 'they' are these days. If Alt has some of that Blueberry with the maroon hairs and dewey crystals, though . . .
Who did Eisenhower mean when he warned of 'the military industrial complex'? Why did Lincoln say America was the 'last, best hope of earth.' What countries did Washington warn us of getting entangled with? Who, Swake, WHO ARE THEY?
Patrick Henry: "They tell us that we are weak, unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Three million people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, are invincible by any force which an enemy can send against us."
Here is what you posted:
Quote from: Know Nothing on April 21, 2009, 01:13:15 PM
Sooooo even as the international power clique openly talk about a new world currency, disarming Americans, creating a North American Union, instituting population controls, and are even now looting our country and selling future generations into perpetual debt - believing what 'they' say makes one an anti-Semetic racist. Right-o.
If they are "openly talking", who are they? Now it seems you don't know. Are they "openly talking" only with masks on and voices disguised?
All you have here are nutty internet chatter talking points. You can't document a damn thing.
Now, it seems we have been fighting the new world order since the time of Washington. Damn, that is one persistent shadow organization bent on taking over the world. I certainly hope that we have agent 99 on it.
You asked me some specific questions however.
Who did "Eisenhower mean when he warned of 'the military industrial complex", he was speaking of the continuing power and size of the companies that had grown so large with the military build up for WWII. He was advocating a downsizing of the military and military spending.
"What countries did Washington warn us of getting entangled with?", Um, that would be the European and world powers at the time, the British Empire, France, The Holy Roman Empire, Imperial Russia, Spain, the Ottoman Empire.
As for Patrick Henry's words, they were about throwing off the rulers of the old world order and aren't very relevant, unless you are currently promoting revolution against the duly and legitimately elected government that Patrick Henry helped to found.
Quote from: swake on April 22, 2009, 12:15:02 PM
It DOES matter because if what you say about the MSM is true, why would this story ever get published?
I knew about this story before you posted it. You were just sloppy with your linking.
I agree that there are parts of this story that are disturbing. The amount of money spend to get military focused press releases out is wrong. The Bush Whitehouse also paid a conservative talk show host to deliver his message.
BUT, this story exists, and that line item in the military budget exists, and Bush did pay (and got caught paying) a talk show host. There really is a law against the military using propaganda inside the United States. If the MSM (Fox in this case) was just a tool of the government, an American version of Pravda, then the Bush administration would have never needed to pay a talk show host, the military wouldn't need to spend so much money to get their message out and the military using propaganda inside the United States wouldn't be illegal. And this story would never have been written.
So, I say again, is this story a lie or truth. Because it makes no sense to lie about this stuff and if what you say about the MSM is true, why would any of this be needed?
I understand your point but...this is the world we are talking about, it is not so cut and dry. Even though four corporations own 98% of our media they are not at the will of whoever is "in power" at the time. This is a business, people have to get payed, debts are due, backs are scratched, etc. This is of course all an illusion as well, they have to make it seem as though we are free, they have to continue to give you a right or left to choose from. If they outright owned the media even people like you would stand up and say "Wait a minute, this is bullshi*, I don't like this". They don't want you or anyone to challenge them, and so they have to comfort you and make you believe you have a choice, Fox or CNN, Democrat or Liberal, Coke or Pepsi. Heaven forbid you decide that both news systems are bologna, that both Ds and Rs got us in this mess, and that both coke and Pepsi will make you fat and give you diabetes. So Bush "paying" for propaganda fits the scheme, now he is a radical R, trying to brainwash the L, stand up L, lets fight the R! Now that Obama is prez the entire scheme has flipped. Now the Rs are holding tight to their values to stop that crazy gun grabbing tax loving Obama. As the bickering continues over petty sheit our liberties continue to diminish, the dollar continues to fall, and our country is still losing its sovereignty. I think the problem Swake is you think to much. You just need to open your mind and take in whats going on instead of trying to label everything into what you know. Maybe what you think you know is not exactly right.
Quote from: Know Nothing on April 22, 2009, 01:12:47 PM
I advocate protecting the freedoms Henry put his life on the line for, absolutely. That 'old world order' is not much different than the 'new world order.' It wants to disarm das volk, enslave us with perpetual debt, tax us beyond reason, and keep us down with a boot on the neck. Our Founders would not even recognize the nation we are today or the pantywaists who inhabit it - your kind, especially. LOL!
You remember April 19? That was the date the Red Coats went for the guns in Lexington and Concord and the racist militants who founded Merca fared upon them. That is why 4/19 is Patriot's Day.
God you're gullible. You have no substance what so ever. All of your posts are parroting the talking points fed to you by entertainers masquerading as conservative news talk show hosts and by wild eyed internet conspiracy sites.
I bet you enjoy "motivational" speakers and have purchased "how to" packages on making money buying foreclosed property with "little or no money down".
All you have proven here is that you couldn't find a fact if your parents sat you on top of an encyclopedia so you can sit at the big boy table.
new world currency"One World, One Currency:
Destination or Delusion?"http://www.imf.org/external/np/tr/2000/tr001108.htm
disarming AmericansNRA: The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Katrinacreating a North American Union
Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North Americahttp://www.spp.gov/
instituting population controlsPopulation control 'needs debate http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7093099.stm
Population Futures for Australia: the Policy Alternativeshttp://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/rp/1999-2000/2000rp05.htm
Chinese Riot Against Population-Control Measures http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,274572,00.html
selling future generations into perpetual debt$1.2 Trillion Deficit Forecasthttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/business/economy/08deficit.html?partner=rss
Fumble through these and try not to be thinking of your rebuttal the whole time. Soak it up.
Quote from: altruismsuffers on April 21, 2009, 02:49:40 PM
Alright lets think critically here, if there were bombs inside the building... A Federal building.... Maybe they would want to save face and say, "Oh those were ours, they were for exercises" not "We screwed up majorly and somehow they got bombs inside a Federal building"
If you were there Wilbur I am sure you know Terrance Yeakey, the first police officer on the scene. He was about a block away when the bomb blew up. Somehow he ran right up to the scene and started saving people right away. Interesting that he didn't cough or get burned by the toxic gases that an Anfo bomb creates. It is interesting also that after he started challenging the official story of the Anfo bomb that he "killed himself" by slitting his wrists and neck, beating himself up, changing his mind and started walking for help, and then shot himself in the head at point blank range.
Okay. I'll play.
How do you know he really killed himself. Maybe he knew too much.
Oh, fer Pete's sake...
I love these 20/20 hindsight government conspiracy arguments... so what is the answer?
Abolish the ATF?
If we did that before the OKC bombing, we would have concluded this was the work of muslim extremists.... I was there. I remember the initial knee-jerk reactions all revolved around the work of islamic terrorists... radio people on WKY, grandstanding politicians from both political parties, the Daily Oklahoman....
It was all those muslim students at OU... wait, UCO also has muslim students... and OCU does too...... OMG, they're all in this together, terrorists attacking the heartland of America..... and Tinker Air Force base is in Midwest City..... etc, etc...
I am grateful for the professional law enforcement and intelligence from federal, state and local who were dedicated to finding out the truth, no matter where that path led them...
I am grateful they found Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols in short order. If you want to imply that the gubmint knowingly allowed the bombing, bring it on.
I've viewed and read the theories and they just don't wash... because they're brought up by the easily duped tin foil hat crowd who live in an alternate universe... is there an alliance of right wing fringe groups and islamic extremists? Seems unlikely to me... Is there an alliance of left wing peace activists and islamic extremists? Once again, highly unlikely. Sometimes common sense can be your friend...
Personally, I think all our problems can be attributed to the existence of wealthy aliens who live in our midst and can only be seen using specially made dark sunglasses....
(http://dietrichthrall.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/they_live_movie_poster1.jpg)
Best Rowdy Roddy Piper movie ever...ever
Quote from: USRufnex on April 23, 2009, 10:15:56 AM
Oh, fer Pete's sake...
I love these 20/20 hindsight government conspiracy arguments... so what is the answer?
Abolish the ATF?
If we did that before the OKC bombing, we would have concluded this was the work of muslim extremists.... I was there. I remember the initial knee-jerk reactions all revolved around the work of islamic terrorists... radio people on WKY, grandstanding politicians from both political parties, the Daily Oklahoman....
It was all those muslim students at OU... wait, UCO also has muslim students... and OCU does too...... OMG, they're all in this together, terrorists attacking the heartland of America..... and Tinker Air Force base is in Midwest City..... etc, etc...
I am grateful for the professional law enforcement and intelligence from federal, state and local who were dedicated to finding out the truth, no matter where that path led them...
I am grateful they found Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols in short order. If you want to imply that the gubmint knowingly allowed the bombing, bring it on.
I've viewed and read the theories and they just don't wash... because they're brought up by the easily duped tin foil hat crowd who live in an alternate universe... is there an alliance of right wing fringe groups and islamic extremists? Seems unlikely to me... Is there an alliance of left wing peace activists and islamic extremists? Once again, highly unlikely. Sometimes common sense can be your friend...
Personally, I think all our problems can be attributed to the existence of wealthy aliens who live in our midst and can only be seen using specially made dark sunglasses....
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I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick a**.. and I'm all out of bubblegum.
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One of the funniest South Park episodes ever was based off the entire 'They Live' fight scene between Roddy and Keith David. I'm at work, so I can't get on You Tube, but there's a comparison between the two fight scenes and it's pretty uncanny.
Trivia: Keith and Roddy did not pull punches for sight gags for the fight except in the case of head shots and groin shots. The fight scene was only supposed to last for 20 seconds, but John Carpenter was so impressed with it (Roddy and Keith rehearsed it for three weeks) that he kept the entire 5 minutes and 20 seconds of the fight in the movie.
SWAKE? I guess your no reply means you acquiesce. You would rather talk about they live and cool fight scenes then debate the real issues. It is ok most people are scared like you, movies and silly games take a lot less responsibility.
Quote from: altruismsuffers on April 22, 2009, 02:06:26 PM
new world currency
"One World, One Currency:
Destination or Delusion?"
http://www.imf.org/external/np/tr/2000/tr001108.htm
disarming Americans
NRA: The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Katrina
creating a North American Union
Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America
http://www.spp.gov/
instituting population controls
Population control 'needs debate
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7093099.stm
Population Futures for Australia: the Policy Alternatives
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/rp/1999-2000/2000rp05.htm
Chinese Riot Against Population-Control Measures
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,274572,00.html
selling future generations into perpetual debt
$1.2 Trillion Deficit Forecast
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/business/economy/08deficit.html?partner=rss
Fumble through these and try not to be thinking of your rebuttal the whole time. Soak it up.
Quote from: Know Nothing on April 23, 2009, 09:20:25 AM
'Luke Franey (a ATF agent who claimed he was in the building) was not in the building at the time of the blast, I know this for a fact, I saw him! I also saw full riot gear worn with rifles in hand, why? Don't make the mistake as I did and ask the wrong people.
This reminds me of a story a firefighter told me of his experiences as a rescuer there.
Some federal agents had been wanting to quickly borrow some of their firefighter gear (coats, air masks, etc), and they readily complied thinking there was an emergency that required it.
The next time they saw the gear it was on two unknown men walking with feds towards the bombing site at one of those times when other rescuers were told to evacuate the site.
Once rescuers were allowed to return to their work, they were pointed to two "survivors" trapped in an elevator that had been previously searched and found to be empty.
What followed was the televised "rescue" of two ATF agents from the elevator.
Now maybe it was someone covering timecard fraud, or some less conspiratorial monkey business, but weird things happened there nonetheless.
The firefighter had nothing really to gain by telling me this other than an interesting story, but I put more trust in that firefighter than the feds who he said were confiscating firefighter's cameras and strip-searching them every time they left the site.
Quote from: altruismsuffers on April 25, 2009, 02:37:59 AM
SWAKE? I guess your no reply means you acquiesce. You would rather talk about they live and cool fight scenes then debate the real issues. It is ok most people are scared like you, movies and silly games take a lot less responsibility.
No, you are just full of sh!t and just post nonsense endlessly. You did this about 9/11 too and no amount of evidence even slowed you down. It's truly pointless to argue with you.
For those that don't speak "Alt" allow me to translate.........
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Makes about as much sense doesn't it?
Quote from: swake on April 25, 2009, 04:14:51 PM
No, you are just full of sh!t and just post nonsense endlessly. You did this about 9/11 too and no amount of evidence even slowed you down. It's truly pointless to argue with you.
ha ha ha ha ha ha.... HA!!!
The
IMF is a conspiracy I suppose?
and the VIDEO FOOTAGE of
AMERICANS CONFISCATING AMERICANS GUNS, that's all fake news
And the
SPP.GOV, in which the
all three leaders of the North American Continent meet to decide North American Policy... Its just a partnership, not a Union... That's just for show, the pictures and the policies described don't really affect our soveiregnty... oh wait, they do! That is why we have MEXICANS driving trucks in from MEXICO without any decisions from US Citizens.
Dude I could go on but I am wasting my time....I provide
LINKS and FACTS... you provide...
"Dude, your dumb" as a rebuttal.... Eat another dorrito and keep drinking your diet coke you fat slimy excuse for an American... People like you make me sick...
Keep running Swake...
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