Well the University of Arkansas Razorbacks could be dead for all the World seems to care. Very little of any mention of them since the big layoff. Wonder if they laid off the U of A sports writer as well? Would seem so. Soooiee Pig we are on the rise again. Barch72 [8D]
Why should we care....???
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Originally posted by Breadburner
Why should we care....???
Say Bread.. are you by chance one of those OU people. Even before I wrote the post I knew someone was going to ask that very exact rhetorical question. Not to disappoint.
The Arkansas coverage is way down:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/category.aspx?l=college
No stories since February 1st. I wonder if they did cut their Arkansas beat writer? Or maybe it is the 1-8 slide they have been on.
I'd be interested to see the college alumni breakdown in the Tulsa area.
It's not just the Tulsa World that doesn't give a **** about Arkansas Razorbacks, I can assure you that.
The World hasn't spent much effort on the Razorbacks in years. I realize there is a lot of local interest, but I also think it's fair if our paper gives their state the coverage they give our teams.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
The Arkansas coverage is way down:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/category.aspx?l=college
No stories since February 1st. I wonder if they did cut their Arkansas beat writer? Or maybe it is the 1-8 slide they have been on.
I'd be interested to see the college alumni breakdown in the Tulsa area.
Saw such a survey a couple of years ago. The Arkansas people over here number in the thousands. But, yet the same holds true for Okla people in Northwest Arkansas.
The two areas are inextricably linked together as major commerce centers supporting each other. The immediate retort from many to this type of offering about the Razorbacks, "Is who give a rip." Well, aside from individual observations and prejudices scores and scores do.
Surprisingly there are people that live in Arkansas that work in Tulsa every day as well as the reverse.
Don't care, doesn't matter?? Don't think so. Well, perhaps if you live in the ground like a mole.
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Originally posted by citizen72
QuoteOriginally posted by cannon_fodder
The Arkansas coverage is way down:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/category.aspx?l=college
Surprisingly there are people that live in Arkansas that work in Tulsa every day as well as the reverse.
Really? How many? A couple dozen?
I mean, those are killer commute costs. That's insane to drive that much five days a week. I have to be skeptical that the numbers are remotely substantial.
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Originally posted by citizen72
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
The Arkansas coverage is way down:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/category.aspx?l=college
No stories since February 1st. I wonder if they did cut their Arkansas beat writer? Or maybe it is the 1-8 slide they have been on.
I'd be interested to see the college alumni breakdown in the Tulsa area.
Saw such a survey a couple of years ago. The Arkansas people over here number in the thousands. But, yet the same holds true for Okla people in Northwest Arkansas.
The two areas are inextricably linked together as major commerce centers supporting each other. The immediate retort from many to this type of offering about the Razorbacks, "Is who give a rip." Well, aside from individual observations and prejudices scores and scores do.
Surprisingly there are people that live in Arkansas that work in Tulsa every day as well as the reverse.
Don't care, doesn't matter?? Don't think so. Well, perhaps if you live in the ground like a mole.
Your gripe was about the Razorbacks. How this equates to interstate commerce and commuting patterns...wait, what are you trying to say?
So, I'm sure the 100 U of A graduates in Tulsa that can read are real pissed off about it, too.
Boom, roasted.
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Originally posted by inteller
according to U of A Alumni Assoc statistics, outside of Arkansas, only Dallas has more U of A grads than Tulsa, so your comment about 100 razorbacks in TUlsa is lame at best.
That, of course, only applies to those who bother to keep their current address on file with the Alumni Association. My SO is still getting mail from them at the place she lived when she was going to grad school there. :p
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
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Originally posted by citizen72
QuoteOriginally posted by cannon_fodder
The Arkansas coverage is way down:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/category.aspx?l=college
Surprisingly there are people that live in Arkansas that work in Tulsa every day as well as the reverse.
Really? How many? A couple dozen?
I mean, those are killer commute costs. That's insane to drive that much five days a week. I have to be skeptical that the numbers are remotely substantial.
Not much difference than those going back and forth to OKC or many other locations that far.
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Originally posted by MDepr2007
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
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Originally posted by citizen72
QuoteOriginally posted by cannon_fodder
The Arkansas coverage is way down:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/category.aspx?l=college
Surprisingly there are people that live in Arkansas that work in Tulsa every day as well as the reverse.
Really? How many? A couple dozen?
I mean, those are killer commute costs. That's insane to drive that much five days a week. I have to be skeptical that the numbers are remotely substantial.
Not much difference than those going back and forth to OKC or many other locations that far.
I know it does sound out of whack but true.
Tulsa is closer to Fayetteville than it is to Norman. I personally know quite a few UA grads that live in Tulsa.
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Originally posted by SXSW
Tulsa is closer to Fayetteville than it is to Norman. I personally know quite a few UA grads that live in Tulsa.
Yes SX... what you say is true. Fayetteville and Springdale and for that matter Bentonville are like sister cities to us folks in Tulsa and Eastern Oklahoma. For that reason no serious person should say, "Who the heck cares." "Cause it ain't so."
Then I can say again. The Razorback football program is on the rise. Accordingly the Tulsa World needs to stop with their Sectarian attitude and wise up. Lots of news being made over there.
Sooooieee Pig!!
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Originally posted by citizen72
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Originally posted by SXSW
Tulsa is closer to Fayetteville than it is to Norman. I personally know quite a few UA grads that live in Tulsa.
Yes SX... what you say is true. Fayetteville and Springdale and for that matter Bentonville are like sister cities to us folks in Tulsa and Eastern Oklahoma. For that reason no serious person should say, "Who the heck cares." "Cause it ain't so."
Then I can say again. The Razorback football program is on the rise. Accordingly the Tulsa World needs to stop with their Sectarian attitude and wise up. Lots of news being made over there.
Sooooieee Pig!!
Sorry, I'm being completely serious when i say "who the heck cares". Last time I checked UA has been in a different conference for decades.
Albuquerque is closer to Amarillo than Austin. Does that mean the Amarillo paper has to cover UNM sports too? Amarillo is closer to Boulder, CO than Austin, do they need to report and write articles on CU sports?
The fact of the matter is there are plenty of sources out there for sports scores / that would offer more insight into your pig school than the Tulsa World ever could.
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Originally posted by inteller
according to U of A Alumni Assoc statistics, outside of Arkansas, only Dallas has more U of A grads than Tulsa, so your comment about 100 razorbacks in Tulsa is lame at best.
Not to mention Razorback fans who didn't go to the U of A. I fit into that category, as do several of my friends and relatives. Tulsa is a very conveniently located city to the state of Arkansas, and many small town Arkansas residents leave their hometowns for the "big city" of Tulsa when they graduate. It's bigger than LR and smaller than Dallas, which makes it a nice sized city for many. No surprise at all that many Arkansans live in Tulsa.
Not that this matters much to the topic at hand, but do the Oklahoma schools get much coverage in the Arkansas papers? I just wonder if there's a similar thread on an Arkansas Now message board full of people complaining about the lack of Sooner, Cowboy and/or Golden Hurricans coverage over there.
It's called the "Tulsa World" for a reason, folks. Given the layoffs and the amount of space in the sports section, they're doing well to cover what they can of Oklahoma sports. In a perfect world, sure -- they could stand to hire at least a stringer who could file a few stories a week. But unfortunately, it is what it is.
The fact that all you Arkansas folks are posting on here shows that you know how to use the Internet. You can get a lot of Razorback coverage online. Granted, there's something reassuring and convenient in reading news and sports from an old-school, hard-copy newspaper, but at least you can get your Hog fix somewhere.
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Originally posted by Sardonicus Rex
Not that this matters much to the topic at hand, but do the Oklahoma schools get much coverage in the Arkansas papers? I just wonder if there's a similar thread on an Arkansas Now message board full of people complaining about the lack of Sooner, Cowboy and/or Golden Hurricans coverage over there.
It's called the "Tulsa World" for a reason, folks. Given the layoffs and the amount of space in the sports section, they're doing well to cover what they can of Oklahoma sports. In a perfect world, sure -- they could stand to hire at least a stringer who could file a few stories a week. But unfortunately, it is what it is.
The fact that all you Arkansas folks are posting on here shows that you know how to use the Internet. You can get a lot of Razorback coverage online. Granted, there's something reassuring and convenient in reading news and sports from an old-school, hard-copy newspaper, but at least you can get your Hog fix somewhere.
Well actually we do get our news out of Arkansas. There is a sports forum over there that is called Hogville that enjoys a membership of over 26,000.
I will guarantee you that you can post on that board without being talked down to or have someone say, "Who the heck cares." Posters do that and they get booted off the forum.
We have posters from many of the South Eastern conference schools and other schools that post there frequently. Wonder what it is about the Oklahoma folks that makes them so intolerant of other schools. The forum members on the University of Tulsa forum are the same way.
Either that or someone needs to get a life and stop living vicariously through a football team.
I dont see why its a big deal that a team, from a completly different state, is not covered in Tulsa, by a local TULSA newpaper.
Im sick and tired of local media grouping Arkansas in with our teams and calling it the big 4.
Arkansas has their own newspapers, and their own local news cast.
Citizen 72, have you tried contacting the TW sports department and asking them your question? Have you also contacted all the local television sports departments about why they don't give better coverage to Uof Arkansas? Why hasn't the UTW stepped in to fill that void? If they don't know your out there, then they do not know to try to fill that gap. So give em a call and then let us know what they say.
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Originally posted by Danny
I dont see why its a big deal that a team, from a completly different state, is not covered in Tulsa, by a local TULSA newpaper.
Im sick and tired of local media grouping Arkansas in with our teams and calling it the big 4.
Arkansas has their own newspapers, and their own local news cast.
Some of you don't understand, The Tulsa World is SOLD in most of NWA therefore it should do a better job of covering a team within it's subscription boundaries. Also I would be willing to bet that there are more U of A alumni that read the paper than TU alumni.
I don't think anyone on this board can dispute that there is a massive amount of U of A fans in Tulsa, all we want is more coverage of our team. You can bet your last dollar that if the Dallas morning news didn't cover OU any longer all heck would break lose.
Okay Ladies and Gentlemen, I went to the wall for you all. Here is the reply I received from TW
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Thanks for your question. We cover TU more than Arkansas because we believe there is a greater reader interest in TU. I would respectfully disagree with the argument that more of our readers are interested in Arkansas coverage than TU coverage. Mike Strain, Sports Editor Tulsa World
So now it is your job to try to convince the sports department at the World that there is a larger Arkansas contingent here in the Tulsa World coverage area.
I hope this has helped.
I don't care either way, my team is Miami, the other Hurricanes.
This thread is awesome.
NW Ark sources confirm!!!!!1 (//%22http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12645&whichpage=1%22)
do you realize that you just doublebacked onto the very thread. Why?
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Originally posted by intoxhog
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Originally posted by Danny
I dont see why its a big deal that a team, from a completly different state, is not covered in Tulsa, by a local TULSA newpaper.
Im sick and tired of local media grouping Arkansas in with our teams and calling it the big 4.
Arkansas has their own newspapers, and their own local news cast.
Some of you don't understand, The Tulsa World is SOLD in most of NWA therefore it should do a better job of covering a team within it's subscription boundaries. Also I would be willing to bet that there are more U of A alumni that read the paper than TU alumni.
I don't think anyone on this board can dispute that there is a massive amount of U of A fans in Tulsa, all we want is more coverage of our team. You can bet your last dollar that if the Dallas morning news didn't cover OU any longer all heck would break lose.
Well said, but some are just not going to see it.
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Originally posted by citizen72
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Originally posted by intoxhog
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Originally posted by Danny
I dont see why its a big deal that a team, from a completly different state, is not covered in Tulsa, by a local TULSA newpaper.
Im sick and tired of local media grouping Arkansas in with our teams and calling it the big 4.
Arkansas has their own newspapers, and their own local news cast.
Some of you don't understand, The Tulsa World is SOLD in most of NWA therefore it should do a better job of covering a team within it's subscription boundaries. Also I would be willing to bet that there are more U of A alumni that read the paper than TU alumni.
I don't think anyone on this board can dispute that there is a massive amount of U of A fans in Tulsa, all we want is more coverage of our team. You can bet your last dollar that if the Dallas morning news didn't cover OU any longer all heck would break lose.
Well said, but some are just not going to see it.
THen all of you need to let the sports department know that you would appreciate more coverage of your team. Use some of the reasons you have presented here when you do. That would be better than spitting and sputtering on here. Let your Voices Be Heard in the right places.
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by citizen72
QuoteOriginally posted by Sardonicus Rex
We have posters from many of the South Eastern conference schools and other schools that post there frequently. Wonder what it is about the Oklahoma folks that makes them so intolerant of other schools. The forum members on the University of Tulsa forum are the same way.
inferiority complex
Pot . . . kettle . . . black.
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Originally posted by joiei
do you realize that you just doublebacked onto the very thread. Why?
It's a joke from the TU board . . . a couple of posters from here also post over there, or at the very least, read both boards. It's an inside joke and I apologize.
An explanation: about two years ago, our board (insidetulsasports.com) was flooded with a series of rumors regarding players and coaches from Arkansas. First, TU hired away Guz Malzahn, which was a real stunning move. Then, the big rumor was that the former #1 overall recruit, Mitch Mustain, would follow Malzahn to TU. By the end of that day, news sites out of NW Arkansas were all reporting "sources" that Mustain had in fact enrolled at TU (by the way, there are way too many news sources in Arkansas and the interwebs makes the Hogs very easy to follow . . . they almost have too much coverage).
It was all a farce. I saw one particular newspaper cite itself as the source. And then all these other sites linked that story, which was subsequently deleted. So, on our board, whenever anybody brings up Arkansas athletics, we have a tradition of citing the thread as the source of the story, sort of a play off that weird period.
It went on for months. I remember when the Malzahn story broke on KOTV, somebody brought it up on an Arkansas board. One particular poster refused to admit it was true. He wanted more proof. We gave him articles, links, you name it. Finally, someone posted a picture of Malzahn wearing TU gear. He still wouldn't buy it.
As for the guy aboving whining about the TU board, it sort of proves the point. Some Hog fans take the web way too seriously.
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Originally posted by Gold
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Originally posted by joiei
do you realize that you just doublebacked onto the very thread. Why?
It's a joke from the TU board . . . a couple of posters from here also post over there, or at the very least, read both boards. It's an inside joke and I apologize.
An explanation: about two years ago, our board (insidetulsasports.com) was flooded with a series of rumors regarding players and coaches from Arkansas. First, TU hired away Guz Malzahn, which was a real stunning move. Then, the big rumor was that the former #1 overall recruit, Mitch Mustain, would follow Malzahn to TU. By the end of that day, news sites out of NW Arkansas were all reporting "sources" that Mustain had in fact enrolled at TU (by the way, there are way too many news sources in Arkansas and the interwebs makes the Hogs very easy to follow . . . they almost have too much coverage).
It was all a farce. I saw one particular newspaper site itself as the source. And then all these other sites linked that story, which was subsequently deleted. So, on our board, whenever anybody brings up Arkansas athletics, we have a tradition of citing the thread as the source of the story, sort of a play off that weird period.
It went on for months. I remember when the Malzahn story broke on KOTV, somebody brought it up on an Arkansas board. One particular poster refused to admit it was true. He wanted more proof. We gave him articles, links, you name it. Finally, someone posted a picture of Malzahn wearing TU gear. He still wouldn't buy it.
As for the guy aboving whining about the TU board, it sort of proves the point. Some Hog fans take the web way too seriously.
oh, okay. Your story is sort of funny. Reminds me of some Alabama fans I know.
Well, well we complain a little and the Hogs start showing up in the World again. Thanks to whoever made that decision.
It all boils down to business. There are a significant number of Arkansas fans in and around Tulsa, and sports fans often buy Sunday newspapers on the day after a game, so that's a guaranteed number of papers that are sold. Not to mention subscriptions that wouldn't be renewed if there were no Razorback coverage. If they didn't think it was selling papers they wouldn't cover it.
The Tulsa World at least used to have a large circulation area. Growing up in Mena, AR in the early 1980s, there were newspaper machines in front of many stores. The newspapers sold were usually the Mena Star, the Arkansas Democrat, the Arkansas Gazette, the Southwest Times Record (Ft Smith)...and Tulsa World. It made Tulsa seem like a major, prestigious city to an impressionable kid.
Even to this day the paper has many out of state readers, especially in Arkansas, Missouri, and Kansas, as Tulsa is the "hub" of a region that extends into those states.
Well said Intox. I grew up in Northwest Arkansas and I know for a fact that Tulsa and the Tulsa World was and is a very important part of the fabric of Eastern Arkansas. In fact I cannot remember the Tulsa World not being in our home every day.
Just do not understand how the World got into a position of effectively turning their back on the area. With the population involved it has to be a significant draw. Go figure.