Killifer Out, Geithner not paying taxes. This is freaking hilarious watching Mr. Hope and Change at work.
This is great:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdrp8vIoofA&eurl=http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x267726
The process worked.
These guys were not worthy of the new appointment and will pay for their mistakes. This happened to many of the former President's people as well.
What is you point?
Did we crow an and on about bad republican appointments and you want to get even...or are you just trying to pre-emptively throw mud because you can?
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The process worked.
These guys were not worthy of the new appointment and will pay for their mistakes. This happened to many of the former President's people as well.
What is you point?
Did we crow an and on about bad republican appointments and you want to get even...or are you just trying to pre-emptively throw mud because you can?
Throw mud? If you or I did what those three I mentioned did we would get fined heavy or charged. Obama nominated three tax cheats to assist w/ running the government and another withdrew under a cloud of pay to play.
Obama ran on "change" and what we got is business as usual.
I believe these guys will be fined.
Look, if you are looking for someone to defend Tom Daschle on this forum, you might have to wait a while.
While I understand how they made many of the mistakes, it is not excusable. When you make millions of dollars a year and have a free limo your taxes get complicated. But you'd think they would hire SUPER CPA to scour their donkey for possible tax burdens.
The fact that there is a new Democrat with a tax problem every day (to exaggerate) is just feeding fodder to the Right Wing talking heads. It will make bipartisanship MORE difficult and may well cost good people an appointment. Not defending Daschle here or anyone else... but inability to pay your taxes doesn't necessarily mean you wouldn't be the best man for the job.
That said, screw Daschle. He made TENS OF MILLIONS from the health care industry in a couple years and his wife is a registered lobbyist. That would have been worse for Obama in the long run than this tax crap. Change? By having him look after the industry that has shuffled millions his way the last two years?
Argh!
But I bet a new line or two has been added to the famous Obama vetting teams questionnaire.
Hey, if nothing else, this vetting process might up collections for the IRS! So far they are up about $170K.
I still fail to see how the Senate confirmed Geithner. So what if it wasn't as much money as Daschle owed, if anyone the treasury secretary should lead by example since the IRS reports to him.
I do think Nancy Killefer's tax problem for $950 or so over domestic help wasn't a big deal, unless she was employing illegals. I still can't identify with paying domestic help to raise the kids and clean for me or to pay my bills, but I guess that's what you do if you have enough money.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
The fact that there is a new Democrat with a tax problem every day (to exaggerate) is just feeding fodder to the Right Wing talking heads. It will make bipartisanship MORE difficult and may well cost good people an appointment.
You're right, of course, but then our (my?) friends on the Right have shown ample ability to find fodder anywhere . . . and if they can't find it, they'll make it up.
Bipartisanship, sadly, may well be dead as a dodo for the foreseeable future, no matter what our shiny new president might want.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
The fact that there is a new Democrat with a tax problem every day (to exaggerate) is just feeding fodder to the Right Wing talking heads. It will make bipartisanship MORE difficult and may well cost good people an appointment.
You're right, of course, but then our (my?) friends on the Right have shown ample ability to find fodder anywhere . . . and if they can't find it, they'll make it up.
Bipartisanship, sadly, may well be dead as a dodo for the foreseeable future, no matter what our shiny new president might want.
Goodwill and bi-partisanship died with Watergate. It double-died with Iran-Contra and triple-died with Whitewater/Lewinsky. Keep adding... there's two more to go. [;)]
Bipartisanship is just a campaign slogan anymore.
Daschle shouldn't have been nominated, not so much because of the tax issue, but because of the ties to the health care industry.
Having said that, the response from Obama is not the usual politics. With Clinton/Lewinsky, the response was blame the "vast right-wing conspiracy." Bush apparently never made a mistake. Obama's response has been "I screwed up." To me, that is refreshing.
^"Obama ran on "change" and what we got is business as usual."
Guido... Can we take this as an admission of the fact that George was giving us "Business as usual".?
Not George.... Not "Dubyah" Say it ain't so!
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Originally posted by Rico
^"Obama ran on "change" and what we got is business as usual."
Guido... Can we take this as an admission of the fact that George was giving us "Business as usual".?
Not George.... Not "Dubyah" Say it ain't so!
Yep. I am no fan of GWB, although he was preferable to both Gore and Kerry which is why I voted for him. While I greatly appreciate how GWB kept us safe after 9/11 and was agressive in the WOT, there is no question he made mistakes.
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I still fail to see how the Senate confirmed Geithner. So what if it wasn't as much money as Daschle owed, if anyone the treasury secretary should lead by example since the IRS reports to him.
My concern is that everything involving the treasury department and IRS is now gonna be followed with "Well what do you expect, it's run by a guy who can't even figure out turbotax."
And yet, another Senator tapped for Commerce Sect'y.
I can't believe out of millions of educated Americans and thousands of decorated scholars there's no one better qualified than a bunch of former Senators, lobbyists, and Clinton & Bush re-treads to head up the Executive Branch of gov't.
Sounds like short-change.
I've been saying well before the primaries all we would get with Obama was chump change. With this group of DC insiders and life-long vets, does anyone believe me now? He's starting to prove my original impulse which was that he was a rock star who'd never had an original idea in his life. He picked one of the oldest legislative dinosaurs in DC as his VP. We all know Biden's track record for swiping other's ideas.
But, I guess DC insiders might be better than the Chicago crooks who got Obama this far.
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Did we crow an and on about bad republican appointments...
Perhaps not you personally but in general, yes! Just before the election I remember several posters extolling the entire Democratic party and every candidate that ever ran under the party banner while posting links to lists of unimportant Republican bad guys to condemn every Republican that ever lived.
That was before ex-Gov Blago, of course.
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Originally posted by Rico
^"Obama ran on "change" and what we got is business as usual."
Guido... Can we take this as an admission of the fact that George was giving us "Business as usual".?
Not George.... Not "Dubyah" Say it ain't so!
While I greatly appreciate how GWB kept us safe after 9/11 ... (snip)
Except for that anthrax thing, of course.
I see this as a good example of a working process. I'm glad that the President is sticking by his guns.
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Except for that anthrax thing, of course.
Good call. They should never have been allowed to tour again. That band is horrible.
According to USA Today, Obama's nominated labor secretary's (Rep. Solis) husband is also a tax cheat. What is it with dems having no problem with huge spending increases but refusing to pay taxes?
So let's see. Democrats villify rich Republicans and their tax cuts.
Rich Democrats favor raising taxes and concealing income.
You can bet on some high-profile GOP tax audits in the future...
If ever there was a good argument for the fair tax, I'd say our new treasury secretary claiming he couldn't figure out TurboTax might be a good argument for it. (Thanks Sgrizz for that nugget).
I mean think about it, everyone is claiming it's too hard to figure out what they do or don't owe. Wouldn't it make it a lot simpler to just hit everyone when they spend their money?
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Originally posted by Conan71
So let's see. Democrats villify rich Republicans and their tax cuts.
Rich Democrats favor raising taxes and concealing income.
You can bet on some high-profile GOP tax audits in the future...
If ever there was a good argument for the fair tax, I'd say our new treasury secretary claiming he couldn't figure out TurboTax might be a good argument for it. (Thanks Sgrizz for that nugget).
I mean think about it, everyone is claiming it's too hard to figure out what they do or don't owe. Wouldn't it make it a lot simpler to just hit everyone when they spend their money?
I think I got to the bottom of it.
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Having said that, the response from Obama is not the usual politics. With Clinton/Lewinsky, the response was blame the "vast right-wing conspiracy." Bush apparently never made a mistake. Obama's response has been "I screwed up." To me, that is refreshing.
Wasn't the vast right wing conspiracy comment in response to the allegations that the Clintons had Vince Foster and a bunch of other people killed?
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Originally posted by guido911
While I greatly appreciate how GWB kept us safe after 9/11 and was agressive in the WOT, there is no question he made mistakes.
There were at least 5 terrorist attacks on US soil after 9/11. Anthrax, the DC sniper, the happy face mail bomber, shooting up the LA airport, shooting up a mall in Arizona(?..i forget exactly where).
How easily we forget...
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Originally posted by guido911
While I greatly appreciate how GWB kept us safe after 9/11 and was agressive in the WOT, there is no question he made mistakes.
There were at least 5 terrorist attacks on US soil after 9/11. Anthrax, the DC sniper, the happy face mail bomber, shooting up the LA airport, shooting up a mall in Arizona(?..i forget exactly where).
How easily we forget...
Oh whatever. Why not throw in the OU student who blew himself up based on your new definition of terrorism.
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Originally posted by guido911
According to USA Today, Obama's nominated labor secretary's (Rep. Solis) husband is also a tax cheat. What is it with dems having no problem with huge spending increases but refusing to pay taxes?
Her senate session has been postponed b/o this development:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/02/05/solis_senate_session_canceled.html?hpid=topnews.
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Originally posted by Conan71
So let's see. Democrats villify rich Republicans and their tax cuts.
Rich Democrats favor raising taxes and concealing income.
You can bet on some high-profile GOP tax audits in the future...
If ever there was a good argument for the fair tax, I'd say our new treasury secretary claiming he couldn't figure out TurboTax might be a good argument for it. (Thanks Sgrizz for that nugget).
I mean think about it, everyone is claiming it's too hard to figure out what they do or don't owe. Wouldn't it make it a lot simpler to just hit everyone when they spend their money?
I think I got to the bottom of it.
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It's the Vast Right Wing Photoshop Conspiracy! OH NOES!!
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Originally posted by guido911
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Originally posted by guido911
According to USA Today, Obama's nominated labor secretary's (Rep. Solis) husband is also a tax cheat. What is it with dems having no problem with huge spending increases but refusing to pay taxes?
Her senate session has been postponed b/o this development:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/02/05/solis_senate_session_canceled.html?hpid=topnews.
I'll give her a little rope here. Who's to say that the husband hasn't thought the taxes were incorrect and hasn't paid out of principle in the matter. Just because there is a lien, doesn't mean the taxing authority got it correct.
I seriously hope all this does shine a light on our complicated tax codes and some reform will be forthcoming, but don't bet on it. The IRS is a pet bureaucracy.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by guido911
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Originally posted by guido911
According to USA Today, Obama's nominated labor secretary's (Rep. Solis) husband is also a tax cheat. What is it with dems having no problem with huge spending increases but refusing to pay taxes?
Her senate session has been postponed b/o this development:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/02/05/solis_senate_session_canceled.html?hpid=topnews.
I'll give her a little rope here. Who's to say that the husband hasn't thought the taxes were incorrect and hasn't paid out of principle in the matter. Just because there is a lien, doesn't mean the taxing authority got it correct.
I seriously hope all this does shine a light on our complicated tax codes and some reform will be forthcoming, but don't bet on it. The IRS is a pet bureaucracy.
Come on, it's not the tax code. It's abject failure to play by the rules.
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Originally posted by guido911
Come on, it's not the tax code. It's abject failure to play by the rules.
Once it gets to the point of a lien, I'd say you're probably correct.
Daschle's car and driver? Eh, I wouldn't have thought to call that "income," so I have to give him a break there. Not that a health care lobbyist should be head of HHS. Though the argument can certainly be made that someone with more than passing familiarity in the field would be best suited for the job.
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Come on, it's not the tax code. It's abject failure to play by the rules.
Once it gets to the point of a lien, I'd say you're probably correct.
Daschle's car and driver? Eh, I wouldn't have thought to call that "income," so I have to give him a break there. Not that a health care lobbyist should be head of HHS. Though the argument can certainly be made that someone with more than passing familiarity in the field would be best suited for the job.
Give me a break. The car was property of the firm that employed him, but the salary expense for the driver was directly under his FEIN. The driver was an employee. The use of the vehicle and mileage was directly related to his use of that asset.
It's not rocket science. He knowingly attempted to ignore this.
No matter how you juggle it (didn't even categorize it as gift tax), a first year law student could spot this.
He tried to pass it off as an expense covered by his employer, and his employer categorized it as his expense.
No amount of spin could change this, that's why he is no longer in play.
Conscious decision to be above the very laws he helped to establish.
I admire President Obama even more for sticking by his guns.
Well, well, what a sujrprise. Another Obama nominee has tax issues:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iyF-qhq9qmv7jsGQ3MJPo63B1gAAD9799MCO1
How many is that now? Geithner, Daschle, Solis, Killefer, Ron Kirk...Sebelius.
According to Biden, Obama has nominated at least five (and counting) unpatriotic folks for high level jobs in his administration. Most ethical administration evah!
Big deal...they're all more qualified individually than Bush and Cheney collectively.
The latest amount pales compared to the bigger issues at hand.
Some people actually withhold and fight the IRS when they know what they did was within the rules.
Guido, have you ever won a confrontation with the IRS?
Have you ever asked them for a ruling prior to a tax issue?
Ever wonder if the Busheviks still in the IRS are leaking this minutia?
Come on, find something juicy to get mad about.
The Devil awaits the fear....
Quote from: FOTD on March 31, 2009, 06:36:42 PM
Big deal...they're all more qualified individually than Bush and Cheney collectively.
Successful crooks usually are fairly intelligent. How else do you think they got successful?
Quote from: Red Arrow on March 31, 2009, 07:12:48 PM
Successful crooks usually are fairly intelligent. How else do you think they got successful?
+1 karma for that
Quote from: Gaspar on March 31, 2009, 07:37:39 PM
+1 karma for that
I cannot believe aox would want to engage me or even show up on this forum again today after I smashed his bullcrap McKinney analysis in another thread.
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I cannot believe aox would want to engage me or even show up on this forum again today after I smashed his bullcrap McKinney analysis in another thread.
I miss McKinney so much. Perhaps she'll run again in 2010. I'll see if she has a website and go ahead and donate some money.
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Come on now, let's go easy on the esteemed Gov. from Kansas. We all have trouble keeping reciepts for our charitable donations. It's hard keeping track of that stuff.
The cacaphony would have never, ever died down if this were a GOP admin. At least the GOP philosophy on tax avoidance is via legislation, not bad copies of Turbo Tax.
Cheney "put people back" in government to "stay behind" in order to "tell him what's going on" and perhaps even "do sabotage": http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2009/03/audio-seymour-hersh-cheney-left-stay.html
Cheney is a pig.
His reach extends in all areas of our current government.
His piggies are trying to undermine the voters of America.
I hope they hang him high in Spain.....
You support this heretic and you too are unAmerican.
So, your choice for President sucked and instead of being honest, you keep lampooning a former Vice President who has been out of office over two months as still having some sort of dark hand in government???
The Cheney pics are already old, the posts even older. Get a life beyond Daily Kos.
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So, your choice for President sucked and instead of being honest, you keep lampooning a former Vice President who has been out of office over two months as still having some sort of dark hand in government???
The Cheney pics are already old, the posts even older. Get a life beyond Daily Kos.
The recent disclosures from Sy Hersh are far from old.
Read up Wingnuttian. You should like disturbing information on how viruses destroy.
You must be unAmerican to show such disregard for our country.
Quote from: Conan71 on April 01, 2009, 09:27:12 AM
Come on now, let's go easy on the esteemed Gov. from Kansas. We all have trouble keeping reciepts for our charitable donations. It's hard keeping track of that stuff.
The cacaphony would have never, ever died down if this were a GOP admin. At least the GOP philosophy on tax avoidance is via legislation, not bad copies of Turbo Tax.
I use TurboTax, and I have this little folder for tax deductible receipts. I know it's a complicated system, but it seems to work for me.
If she only owed $7,000 in back taxes, I don't see why that would be an issue in here nomination. Pay and move on. It's not like she's a Giethner, or a Dashiell.
I think there is something more to this story to take her out of the running, and the 7k tax mistake is the smoke and mirrors. Saves here from losing much more than the nomination.