They are blocking off hwy 169 northbound during rush hour!!
Yes, there is some freezing rain. Yes, the streets can be slick. But the streets are fine on all major traveled roads at this time, due to the frequency of traffic.
People are trying to get home from work!! 169 is a heavily traveled area, for God's sake, who made this decision to shut down the main artery during rush hour??
This has to be the dumbest decision I've ever seen made by a city official.
God help Tulsa, it is run by morons!!!
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Originally posted by Hawkins
They are blocking off hwy 169 northbound during rush hour!!
Yes, there is some freezing rain. Yes, the streets can be slick. But the streets are fine on all major traveled roads at this time, due to the frequency of traffic.
People are trying to get home from work!! 169 is a heavily traveled area, for God's sake, who made this decision to shut down the main artery during rush hour??
This has to be the dumbest decision I've ever seen made by a city official.
God help Tulsa, it is run by morons!!!
Uhhh did you stop to see what made them shut it down? Can you tell us?
Didn't think so. Don't be so quick to judge UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
I'm sure they had a good reason to shut it down. I doubt they made that decision lightly.
(I hear its re-opened by the way)
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Hawkins
They are blocking off hwy 169 northbound during rush hour!!
Yes, there is some freezing rain. Yes, the streets can be slick. But the streets are fine on all major traveled roads at this time, due to the frequency of traffic.
People are trying to get home from work!! 169 is a heavily traveled area, for God's sake, who made this decision to shut down the main artery during rush hour??
This has to be the dumbest decision I've ever seen made by a city official.
God help Tulsa, it is run by morons!!!
Uhhh did you stop to see what made them shut it down? Can you tell us?
Didn't think so. Don't be so quick to judge UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
As a whole, Tulsa has some of the worst drivers in the nation. They are complete docile sheep that are unable to handle fast decision making processes while on the road.
They drive 10 feet in front of them, and cannot take in information past this point ahead of them as they travel down the road in their slow manner. They do not contemplate the possible actions of the drivers around them, and they cannot process drastic weather changes on their own.
So whatever it was, it was some stupid people that had a wreck. So?
Pray tell, why were thousands of sheeple punished today for a few accidents?
Instead of responding to wrecks today, the IDIOTIC TPD decided to place units on every on-ramp from 11th street to 81st to blockade 169, while several more units were driving on this blockaded section of 169.
Great police work there, Lou (don't get me wrong, we have some fine police officers on the force, but the upper management made poor judgment today).
I wonder how many more wrecks happened on the congested side roads due to this moronic decision?
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Originally posted by Hawkins
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Hawkins
They are blocking off hwy 169 northbound during rush hour!!
Yes, there is some freezing rain. Yes, the streets can be slick. But the streets are fine on all major traveled roads at this time, due to the frequency of traffic.
People are trying to get home from work!! 169 is a heavily traveled area, for God's sake, who made this decision to shut down the main artery during rush hour??
This has to be the dumbest decision I've ever seen made by a city official.
God help Tulsa, it is run by morons!!!
Uhhh did you stop to see what made them shut it down? Can you tell us?
Didn't think so. Don't be so quick to judge UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
As a whole, Tulsa has some of the worst drivers in the nation. They are complete docile sheep that are unable to handle fast decision making processes while on the road.
They drive 10 feet in front of them, and cannot take in information past this point ahead of them as they travel down the road in their slow manner. They do not contemplate the possible actions of the drivers around them, and they cannot process drastic weather changes on their own.
So whatever it was, it was some stupid people that had a wreck. So?
Pray tell, why were thousands of sheeple punished today for a few accidents?
Instead of responding to wrecks today, the IDIOTIC TPD decided to place units on every on-ramp from 11th street to 81st to blockade 169, while several more units were driving on this blockaded section of 169.
Great police work there, Lou (don't get me wrong, we have some fine police officers on the force, but the upper management made poor judgment today).
I wonder how many more wrecks happened on the congested side roads due to this moronic decision?
You obviously haven't seen how bad it gets when they don't shut it off.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by Hawkins
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Hawkins
They are blocking off hwy 169 northbound during rush hour!!
Yes, there is some freezing rain. Yes, the streets can be slick. But the streets are fine on all major traveled roads at this time, due to the frequency of traffic.
People are trying to get home from work!! 169 is a heavily traveled area, for God's sake, who made this decision to shut down the main artery during rush hour??
This has to be the dumbest decision I've ever seen made by a city official.
God help Tulsa, it is run by morons!!!
Uhhh did you stop to see what made them shut it down? Can you tell us?
Didn't think so. Don't be so quick to judge UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
As a whole, Tulsa has some of the worst drivers in the nation. They are complete docile sheep that are unable to handle fast decision making processes while on the road.
They drive 10 feet in front of them, and cannot take in information past this point ahead of them as they travel down the road in their slow manner. They do not contemplate the possible actions of the drivers around them, and they cannot process drastic weather changes on their own.
So whatever it was, it was some stupid people that had a wreck. So?
Pray tell, why were thousands of sheeple punished today for a few accidents?
Instead of responding to wrecks today, the IDIOTIC TPD decided to place units on every on-ramp from 11th street to 81st to blockade 169, while several more units were driving on this blockaded section of 169.
Great police work there, Lou (don't get me wrong, we have some fine police officers on the force, but the upper management made poor judgment today).
I wonder how many more wrecks happened on the congested side roads due to this moronic decision?
You obviously haven't seen how bad it gets when they don't shut it off.
+1.
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Hawkins
They are blocking off hwy 169 northbound during rush hour!!
Yes, there is some freezing rain. Yes, the streets can be slick. But the streets are fine on all major traveled roads at this time, due to the frequency of traffic.
People are trying to get home from work!! 169 is a heavily traveled area, for God's sake, who made this decision to shut down the main artery during rush hour??
This has to be the dumbest decision I've ever seen made by a city official.
God help Tulsa, it is run by morons!!!
Uhhh did you stop to see what made them shut it down? Can you tell us?
Didn't think so. Don't be so quick to judge UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
Ditto.
Sounds like a state decision.
http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0109/588974.html
A good reason for operational ODOT signs. The signs could've let people know why it was shut down and that it was temporary. Note I said "operational".
Well at this point I think everyone's gone crazy. Its 9:00am now and they just said on KRMG that the roads are better this morning than they were yesterday evening.
From my actual observed driving route, the streets were wet yesterday evening, not frozen, from 101st & Memorial to 61st & Garnett as late as 11:00pm.
Now they are completely covered with falling sleet, and white. But now they're better?
Nothing in South Tulsa needed to close up early yesterday. It is this morning that businesses should open late. A lot fell last night, and its still coming down.
How is this better than last night?
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Originally posted by Hawkins
Well at this point I think everyone's gone crazy. Its 9:00am now and they just said on KRMG that the roads are better this morning than they were yesterday evening.
From my actual observed driving route, the streets were wet yesterday evening, not frozen, from 101st & Memorial to 61st & Garnett as late as 11:00pm.
Now they are completely covered with falling sleet, and white. But now they're better?
Nothing in South Tulsa needed to close up early yesterday. It is this morning that businesses should open late. A lot fell last night, and its still coming down.
How is this better than last night?
It is a perception thing. If you can't see the ice, you have the tendency to drive faster. Hence why there were soooo many spun out and wrecked cars on the highway bridges. It was incredible how fast people were going yesterday afternoon between 1400-1800. Today is much easier to drive on then yesterday afternoon. I did 40mph on the highway and was getting passed left and right. What normally takes me 20 minutes, took me 45 this morning.
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Originally posted by Hawkins
Well at this point I think everyone's gone crazy. Its 9:00am now and they just said on KRMG that the roads are better this morning than they were yesterday evening.
From my actual observed driving route, the streets were wet yesterday evening, not frozen, from 101st & Memorial to 61st & Garnett as late as 11:00pm.
Now they are completely covered with falling sleet, and white. But now they're better?
Nothing in South Tulsa needed to close up early yesterday. It is this morning that businesses should open late. A lot fell last night, and its still coming down.
How is this better than last night?
As early as 3 or 4:00 the arterial roads were slick ice, and very dangerous. Closing early for the employees safe passage home is a good idea. Mains roads get worse later in the evening as traffic slows.
Was it Terry Young or Dick Crawford back in '84 or '85 tried to shut everything down early because of the possibilty of a blizzard that never happened?
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Originally posted by Hawkins
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Hawkins
They are blocking off hwy 169 northbound during rush hour!!
Yes, there is some freezing rain. Yes, the streets can be slick. But the streets are fine on all major traveled roads at this time, due to the frequency of traffic.
People are trying to get home from work!! 169 is a heavily traveled area, for God's sake, who made this decision to shut down the main artery during rush hour??
This has to be the dumbest decision I've ever seen made by a city official.
God help Tulsa, it is run by morons!!!
Uhhh did you stop to see what made them shut it down? Can you tell us?
Didn't think so. Don't be so quick to judge UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
As a whole, Tulsa has some of the worst drivers in the nation. They are complete docile sheep that are unable to handle fast decision making processes while on the road.
They drive 10 feet in front of them, and cannot take in information past this point ahead of them as they travel down the road in their slow manner. They do not contemplate the possible actions of the drivers around them, and they cannot process drastic weather changes on their own.
Former OTR trucker here. Current semi local trucker. Trust me, Tulsa drivers are no worse or better than anyplace else. Everyone thinks they are Gods gift to driving. While the majority have no business anywhere near the drivers seat.
Well I guess everyone deserves some slack on ice days but generally I have to agree that Tulsa has some extra bad drivers. It seems like most common malady is either being elderly or excessively passive. And there is very little signaling any more. Even when you are facing people at 4 way stops.
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Originally posted by Hometown
Well I guess everyone deserves some slack on ice days but generally I have to agree that Tulsa has some extra bad drivers. It seems like most common malady is either being elderly or excessively passive. And there is very little signaling any more. Even when you are facing people at 4 way stops.
Excessively passive. That's a great term. Having driven in Dallas, Jacksonville, St. Louis, and Lincoln, Nebraska, I'd have to say "excessively passive," is the greatest problem with Tulsa drivers.
I've referred to Tulsa's drivers previously as docile, or sheeple, but I like excessively passive, as in stop at the end of a highway on-ramp passive. [;)]
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Originally posted by Hawkins
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Originally posted by Hometown
Well I guess everyone deserves some slack on ice days but generally I have to agree that Tulsa has some extra bad drivers. It seems like most common malady is either being elderly or excessively passive. And there is very little signaling any more. Even when you are facing people at 4 way stops.
Excessively passive. That's a great term. Having driven in Dallas, Jacksonville, St. Louis, and Lincoln, Nebraska, I'd have to say "excessively passive," is the greatest problem with Tulsa drivers.
I've referred to Tulsa's drivers previously as docile, or sheeple, but I like excessively passive, as in stop at the end of a highway on-ramp passive. [;)]
That I'll agree with (stopping on freeway on ramps).
I lived in Houston for three years, and the drivers here really, aside from that pet peeve, are no more docile or agressive than those.
But this morning, when the east side streets are nearly skating rinks, people up on my bumper tend to piss me off. Driving 45 in a 40 in these conditions is stupid.
Why do I say that?
Because the moron up on my bumper went around me and wound up in the ditch. So take your pick. docile and get to your destination, or agressive and get to your destination (given that your destination is a ditch).
Everywhere I've ever lived, those behind the wheel "don't know how to drive" and were "the worst drivers in the country."
Usually those who told me that had never lived anywhere else.
Quintessential Tulsa Traffic Moments:
Getting stuck behind an 80 year old, driving his 100 year old mother to prayer meeting.
Or
Encountering a timid driver fearful of applying foot to petal. Waiting for a written invitation.
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Originally posted by Hometown
Quintessential Tulsa Traffic Moments:
Getting stuck behind an 80 year old, driving his 100 year old mother to prayer meeting.
Or
Encountering a timid driver fearful of applying foot to petal. Waiting for a written invitation.
Indeed, I favor a max. driving age of around 70 years old. I feel after age 70 or so people lose too much of their ability to drive. We all do, it's all part of living.. As we age our bodies and reflexs fall apart. I favor raising the driving age from 16 to 18. Teens crash because they show off and don't pay attention. Older drivers crash because they lost the ability to drive. We need to address those problems.[B)]
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Originally posted by Hawkins
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Originally posted by Hometown
Well I guess everyone deserves some slack on ice days but generally I have to agree that Tulsa has some extra bad drivers. It seems like most common malady is either being elderly or excessively passive. And there is very little signaling any more. Even when you are facing people at 4 way stops.
Excessively passive. That's a great term. Having driven in Dallas, Jacksonville, St. Louis, and Lincoln, Nebraska, I'd have to say "excessively passive," is the greatest problem with Tulsa drivers.
I've referred to Tulsa's drivers previously as docile, or sheeple, but I like excessively passive, as in stop at the end of a highway on-ramp passive. [;)]
You mentioned Lincoln, Nebraska- that is one heck of a city. The biggest problem I found there is everything seems cramped and tight. Lincoln is a city built on the wide open great plains and the streets are narrow and everything seems packed so tight together. Maybe it has since changed since I was last there in the mid-1990's.
I subscribe to the George Carlin view of drivers... everyone going faster than me is a fool and everyone going slower than me is an idiot...