So I'm traveling north bound on US-169 this morning between 244 and Owasso. This is where they're doing the new cable barrier project in the median. Well I look over and I thought my eyes were deceiving me. I look a bit closer and YUP... that's sod!!! [V] Miles and miles of new sod!!!
Now I'm sure we should protect against erosion and runoff and whatnot. But was sod really necessary considering this area? I'm wondering if the highway commission even thought about seeding or plugs. Sigh.
I'd guesstimate 4 miles x 10 yards of coverage btw.
Considering this area invented the dust bowl, I'd say sod in the middle of a wide open space is a pretty solid choice.
Uhh... unregulated farming techniques on millions of acres of land with no trees lines to act as wind breaks != 4 mile strip of land.
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I wouldn't mind some sod for my backyard. Anyone have a pickup truck? I know where we can get some free sod...
I wonder if the new cable barriers are worth it. They just put in miles of the barrier from about hwy 11 north on 75, and the are already huge sections that the cables are broken, the poles are flat.
I guess it keeps the workers busy fixing it. Was that included in the 900+ million in stimulus we asked for?
spray over seeding (with the straw/glue mixture fr cover) would work just as well for about 1/10th the cost. Not like anyone comments on how nice the median lawn is.
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Originally posted by naenae42day
I wonder if the new cable barriers are worth it. They just put in miles of the barrier from about hwy 11 north on 75, and the are already huge sections that the cables are broken, the poles are flat.
I guess it keeps the workers busy fixing it. Was that included in the 900+ million in stimulus we asked for?
They were installed to be "cheaper" than real barriers, but in reality they will be in a perpetual state of repair/disrepair and will cost many times more. But it's only tax money.
We discussed it http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7094
They are very cheap/easy to repair and installed at a fraction of the cost of other physical barriers and far less lethal.
Four miles of sod in a straight line...that is like a par five for me.
Its winter...they should have used the blue foam.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
spray over seeding (with the straw/glue mixture fr cover) would work just as well for about 1/10th the cost. Not like anyone comments on how nice the median lawn is.
Have to agree on that. A good watering program is essential though.
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Originally posted by naenae42day
I wonder if the new cable barriers are worth it. They just put in miles of the barrier from about hwy 11 north on 75, and the are already huge sections that the cables are broken, the poles are flat.
I guess it keeps the workers busy fixing it. Was that included in the 900+ million in stimulus we asked for?
They would be worth it if they had been installed properly.
I see that type of system all the time when I'm going through Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, etc.... and none of their installations look like ours.
Typical Oklahoma....if you can't do something right, do it anyway.
Seeming as we always run short on mowing money, why do we not use other ground coverings that require less maintenance?
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
They are very cheap/easy to repair and installed at a fraction of the cost of other physical barriers and far less lethal.
"Far less lethal" for motorists. Don't hit one on a motorcycle. It's wrong to install something that benefits one type of road user while increasing the hazards for another.
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Originally posted by Ed W
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
They are very cheap/easy to repair and installed at a fraction of the cost of other physical barriers and far less lethal.
"Far less lethal" for motorists. Don't hit one on a motorcycle. It's wrong to install something that benefits one type of road user while increasing the hazards for another.
When "one type of motorist" makes up 99% of them, I'll take it.
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Originally posted by Ed W
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
They are very cheap/easy to repair and installed at a fraction of the cost of other physical barriers and far less lethal.
"Far less lethal" for motorists. Don't hit one on a motorcycle. It's wrong to install something that benefits one type of road user while increasing the hazards for another.
Saves more lives.. hard to argue with that. I would advocate not driving your car OR motorcycle into a cable barrier. It should be protecting you from other drunken idiots coming through.
I like it. I think it looks good, Also, I bet if they made 169 a toll road there would not be as much traffic on it, 169 needs to be wider or something too many cars.. I wish they would do something about the western part of I-44 west of Yale street. The road is too narrow, some parts have pot holes. They said two years ago they were going to make that road wider. What gives? Tulsa roads do need alot of work.[B)]
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by Ed W
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
They are very cheap/easy to repair and installed at a fraction of the cost of other physical barriers and far less lethal.
"Far less lethal" for motorists. Don't hit one on a motorcycle. It's wrong to install something that benefits one type of road user while increasing the hazards for another.
When "one type of motorist" makes up 99% of them, I'll take it.
Agreed. So get clotheslined by the cable barriers or cross the median and get clobbered by oncoming traffic...either way, you're not escaping the organ donor predisposition of riding a bike on the highway.
I kinda wouldn't be surprised if a certain sport bike that excessively speeds and cuts between cars that block his way on Highway 75 every morning at around 8 A.M. laid his bike down into one of those barriers.
By the way, what's deal with the cable barriers on Highway 75 between I-44 and I-244? The work is incomplete and it's been that way since they were last there (Septemberish 08?). The contractor is supposedly getting fined $500/day until it is completed. They stopped work back in the summer because of all the rain and were suppose to resume in August but they never finished...
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
spray over seeding (with the straw/glue mixture fr cover) would work just as well for about 1/10th the cost. Not like anyone comments on how nice the median lawn is.
Yes that works very well, but with night time temps (and daytime) below 55 degrees, sod is the only option. It holds the soil until spring when the roots finish the process.
The only thing you can spray this time of year is Poanna Bluegrass and I don't think anyone wants us to do that.
Sod is about it.