I'm starting a forum that covers daily news of crimes in Tulsa.
You don't have to join to post but you can join if you wish.
I've got just todays/yesterday crimes in Tulsa already on it and it's shocking.
Anyways, here's the link: http://tulsacrime.proboards.com
You don't have the vicious possum call that had 4 officers responding Saturday night.
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Originally posted by MDepr2007
You don't have the vicious possum call that had 4 officers responding Saturday night.
I want it, got a link?
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Originally posted by Porky
I'm starting a forum that covers daily news of crimes in Tulsa.
You don't have to join to post but you can join if you wish.
I've got just todays/yesterday crimes in Tulsa already on it and it's shocking.
Anyways, here's the link: http://tulsacrime.proboards.com
You say "... in Tulsa..." but you are posting items happening outside of Tulsa. Such as, your sole drug item happened in Leonard, which is the other side of Bixby.
He also has incorrectly spelled assault on his categories and posted stories about an OKC case as the example of sexual assault.
Is the motivation to make Tulsans afraid by focusing on crime?
¿Any demand for a Random Acts Of Kindness forum?
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Originally posted by BKDotCom
¿Any demand for a Random Acts Of Kindness forum?
Inteller is working on that one.
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Originally posted by Wilbur
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Originally posted by Porky
I'm starting a forum that covers daily news of crimes in Tulsa.
You don't have to join to post but you can join if you wish.
I've got just todays/yesterday crimes in Tulsa already on it and it's shocking.
Anyways, here's the link: http://tulsacrime.proboards.com
You say "... in Tulsa..." but you are posting items happening outside of Tulsa. Such as, your sole drug item happened in Leonard, which is the other side of Bixby.
Your correct and I probably shouldn't of posted the story that happened in OKC, referring to the rape.
I do want it to be aboutt Tulsa but I also want the surrounding areas and I feel that Lenoard is part of this area. Again, your correct that OKC doesn't belong.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
He also has incorrectly spelled assault on his categories and posted stories about an OKC case as the example of sexual assault.
Is the motivation to make Tulsans afraid by focusing on crime?
Forgive me RM for my spelling error but thanks for letting me know.
My motivation for this forum is to bring awareness and hopefully answers in bringing the crime level down in Tulsa.
I'll be adding more this evening to the website as I will also be doing in the future that will better explain the websites purpose.
This evening for example I'll be addressing Crystal Darkness that will be airing on most of our local stations tomorrow night.
Let me guess, that's going to be a story airing on "2 Works for You!"
Quit trying to scare people.
The city of Tulsa's rate in 2006 for all types of violent crime was 1.2482 per 100 people and the vast majority of those crimes were assaults.
So, if you lived in Tulsa for 40 years and the crime rate was static over that period you'd run about a 50/50 chance of being the victim of a violent crime, and even then there'd be a 75% chance of that crime just being an assault. You have to live in Tulsa for 160 years to run a 50/50 chance of being a victim of a violent crime worse than assault.
If you Don't hang out with gang members, avoid drugs (and drug dealers), try to live in a decent neighborhood, don't marry a bi-polar crack head and a don't go to bars and get plastered and out of control on a regular basis and your chances of being a victim go way, way down from even there.
And none of this is taking into account the fact that the suburbs for the most part have very low crime.
I think crime, especially violent crime is down in Tulsa.
I think many of the petty criminals are now caught by just waiting for them when they go to the casino.
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Originally posted by swake
Let me guess, that's going to be a story airing on "2 Works for You!"
Quit trying to scare people.
The city of Tulsa's rate in 2006 for all types of violent crime was 1.2482 per 100 people and the vast majority of those crimes were assaults.
So, if you lived in Tulsa for 40 years and the crime rate was static over that period you'd run about a 50/50 chance of being the victim of a violent crime, and even then there'd be a 75% chance of that crime just being an assault. You have to live in Tulsa for 160 years to run a 50/50 chance of being a victim of a violent crime worse than assault.
If you Don't hang out with gang members, avoid drugs (and drug dealers), try to live in a decent neighborhood, don't marry a bi-polar crack head and a don't go to bars and get plastered and out of control on a regular basis and your chances of being a victim go way, way down from even there.
And none of this is taking into account the fact that the suburbs for the most part have very low crime.
Tulsa's crime rate is twice the national average, Swake.
What about the man in the wheel chair that got shot this past week? What about the kid that got shot watching TV and died this past week? Neither of them were gang members or did drugs.
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Originally posted by Porky
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Originally posted by swake
Let me guess, that's going to be a story airing on "2 Works for You!"
Quit trying to scare people.
The city of Tulsa's rate in 2006 for all types of violent crime was 1.2482 per 100 people and the vast majority of those crimes were assaults.
So, if you lived in Tulsa for 40 years and the crime rate was static over that period you'd run about a 50/50 chance of being the victim of a violent crime, and even then there'd be a 75% chance of that crime just being an assault. You have to live in Tulsa for 160 years to run a 50/50 chance of being a victim of a violent crime worse than assault.
If you Don't hang out with gang members, avoid drugs (and drug dealers), try to live in a decent neighborhood, don't marry a bi-polar crack head and a don't go to bars and get plastered and out of control on a regular basis and your chances of being a victim go way, way down from even there.
And none of this is taking into account the fact that the suburbs for the most part have very low crime.
Tulsa's crime rate is twice the national average, Swake.
What about the man in the wheel chair that got shot this past week? What about the kid that got shot watching TV and died this past week? Neither of them were gang members or did drugs.
You are just proving my point. Trying the cross the street in a wheelchair at Apache and Cincinnati is dangerous for many reasons even aside from the violent crime rate and gang activity in the area. The man's being there certainly goes against my "try to live in decent neighborhood". As for the kid killed watching TV, he was also in a bad neighborhood in a specifically known gang house that had been shot at four times previously in recent months. Being in a house like that ever is just plain stupid. It's doesn't mean I don't feel sorry for the kid and his family and it doesn't make it his fault. But it was easily avoidable.
I'm not saying that innocent people are not victim of violent crimes, I'm saying it's rare. And I'm saying that there are things that you can do to greatly lower your chances of being a victim. Every death so far this year goes against my list of how you can lower your chances of being a victim. I count four so far and all four happened in bad areas, three are likely gang related the fourth was a marriage with drinking and past domestic violence complaints.
I want numbers, charts, and sources please.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
I want numbers, charts, and sources please.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20081228_11_A1_Ofthes219282
Article is using 2006 numbers but also states that quote:
Ashley said Tulsa's crime rates have seen some improvements.
The violent crime number dropped to 4,559 in 2007 and 4,085 by the end of this October, according to the Tulsa Police Department.
I don't see the new forum as a way to scare people. Not level headed people that is. I think it could be informative and a very interesting discussion arena.
Come on, crime in this city is a fact, and violent crime is on the rise. Can you believe the IBC bank in South Tulsa has been hit twice in a 2 month period? I'm thinking sitting in the drive through at my bank, which takes longer than going inside is not such a bad idea after all.
We could always go to topix.com where people are crude, rude and curse one another out and end up completely getting off the subject at hand.
I like the idea Porky.
Once you get it up and going I too would like to see numbers, charts and sources. Tulsa World sometimes favors the departments stats to make the people feel good.
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Originally posted by JessnT
I don't see the new forum as a way to scare people. Not level headed people that is. I think it could be informative and a very interesting discussion arena.
Come on, crime in this city is a fact, and violent crime is on the rise. Can you believe the IBC bank in South Tulsa has been hit twice in a 2 month period? I'm thinking sitting in the drive through at my bank, which takes longer than going inside is not such a bad idea after all.
We could always go to topix.com where people are crude, rude and curse one another out and end up completely getting off the subject at hand.
I like the idea Porky.
Once you get it up and going I too would like to see numbers, charts and sources. Tulsa World sometimes favors the departments stats to make the people feel good.
Thank You........[^]
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Originally posted by JessnT
I don't see the new forum as a way to scare people. Not level headed people that is. I think it could be informative and a very interesting discussion arena.
Come on, crime in this city is a fact, and violent crime is on the rise.
Actually, violent crime in the city of Tulsa was down in 2007 and 2008 from the numbers posted above. And while Tulsa's numbers are high, the suburbs are very low. As a region the numbers are probably about average or even below average. But listening to sensational broadcast media whose ratings are tied to scaring people you would never know that.
I agree with swake.
This isn't an effort to have a positive discussion on Tulsa and look for solutions to crime. This is trying to keep crime as a hot topic to keep people scared.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I agree with swake.
This isn't an effort to have a positive discussion on Tulsa and look for solutions to crime. This is trying to keep crime as a hot topic to keep people scared.
So am I correct in you feeling that crime isn't a problem in Tulsa and doesn't need addressing? Or that it's at a level that doesn't need addressing?
Honestly RM I'm really surprised by your remarks, I've always had a lot of respect for your opinions and I always will, in the most part. Obviously Swake is a different matter but everyone knows him well. I'm just surprised (referring to RM not Swake) that you're so adamant against this site I have started. I guess it's like a TV set, if something is on and you don't like it you can always change the channel.
I do have one problem with your opinion, RM. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I honor that but your painting my website something other than it is. It's not a blood and guts site, it's not sensationalizing in any form......it's just a site of our daily crime in Tulsa with information on how to get help, support and etc. I've made it clear that I'm still building the site and will be creating positive resources on this site for solution.
Stone me if you wish but I can't understand why.
OK. I will back off. I just am amazed that people focus on such a negative thing in our life.
Maybe I am just pollyanna, but I don't leave the house each day expecting to be a victim of crime. I am probably just overly affected by this because I know people who are paralyzed with fear. They watch the evening news and then are afraid to leave their home. They won't come downtown because they saw there was crime there once. I want to be diligent and protective, but reasonably able to function without being unneccesarily afraid.
I lumped you in with my negative feelings about the evening news. I apologize.
Don't be afraid to live.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
OK. I will back off. I just am amazed that people focus on such a negative thing in our life.
Maybe I am just pollyanna, but I don't leave the house each day expecting to be a victim of crime. I am probably just overly affected by this because I know people who are paralyzed with fear. They watch the evening news and then are afraid to leave their home. They won't come downtown because they saw there was crime there once. I want to be diligent and protective, but reasonably able to function without being unneccesarily afraid.
I lumped you in with my negative feelings about the evening news. I apologize.
Don't be afraid to live.
I more than understand and no apology is needed, RM.
I never fear either when I leave my home but what I do fear is for the youth and that is because of drugs. There are so many different fallout venues that come from drugs that plaque our youth.
PBS has a show on Oklahoma Prisons and it states in the program that over 90% of prisoners in Oklahoma are incarcerated because of some form of drug offense or drugs were used during their crime. We must do everything possible to keep our youth from falling into this crack that our society has created.
Domestic problems is another situation that is fueled from drugs. You can look at almost every crime story reported in the news and drugs are normally a factor in it. Our local media (which is awesome) normally covers on 10% of the crimes that happen daily in Tulsa and that information was given to me by TPD officers in the know.
I work at a company that has 700 employees, I've had many friends here fall into this crack and are now fired from here, in prison, dead or even worse living a life of being a string bean with their teeth falling out (referring to meth).
I have relatives that have fallen in this crack, as I'm sure a lot of us have.
I have a lifelong friend that got 18 years for making meth, he served 11 years and was back in the joint in just 3 months because his addiction still lingered after all of that time.
I'm hoping the show this evening "Crystal Darkness" will bring a lot of awareness to our youth and their parents. It'll be on at 6:30 on all of the stations in the Tulsa area by request of our Governor's wife.
Porky, I think this sounds like a good read and I will be visiting. I don't like to focus on the negative but as I am home alone all day with my 2 tots, I do need to be observant and reasonably informed when I do venture out.
For instance, it's probably not idea, when I am loaded down with stroller and diaper bag and 2 children, to linger longer than neccesary in the parking lot of either mall. Or alone for that matter. Stuff like that.
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Originally posted by Kashmir
Porky, I think this sounds like a good read and I will be visiting. I don't like to focus on the negative but as I am home alone all day with my 2 tots, I do need to be observant and reasonably informed when I do venture out.
For instance, it's probably not idea, when I am loaded down with stroller and diaper bag and 2 children, to linger longer than neccesary in the parking lot of either mall. Or alone for that matter. Stuff like that.
You see, now he's made you needlessly scared. Go here:
http://public.tulsapolice.org/website/PublicCrime/viewer.htm
For all of 2008 there were 13 crimes against physical persons (as opposed to shoplifting or theft from an empty car) in the Woodland Hills Mall area. For all the millions and millions of visitors to that mall, probably tens of thousands of people there every day there were only 13 crimes against a person. 6 assaults and 7 robberies, that's it, for all of 2008. Your odds of being harmed or robbed in that parking lot is nearly zero but now you are scared and wary.
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Originally posted by Kashmir
Porky, I think this sounds like a good read and I will be visiting. I don't like to focus on the negative but as I am home alone all day with my 2 tots, I do need to be observant and reasonably informed when I do venture out.
For instance, it's probably not idea, when I am loaded down with stroller and diaper bag and 2 children, to linger longer than neccesary in the parking lot of either mall. Or alone for that matter. Stuff like that.
I'm gathering info on prevention to put on the site and hopefully be adding it next week.
I can tell you that Woodland is a very safe place to go but I can't say the same for Promenade.
Theft of vehicles and people breaking into them is a problem in areas where people leave their cars for a long period of time. A good example would be a movie Theatre where the crooks see you drive in and know you'll be away from your car for a couple of hours. Where as a Mall the crooks have no idea how long you'll be in there.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I agree with swake.
This isn't an effort to have a positive discussion on Tulsa and look for solutions to crime. This is trying to keep crime as a hot topic to keep people scared.
I disagree. Alert maybe, but not scared.
I own a local store, and check the news daily to see if there have been any robbery or overnight burglary attempts in my area.
Already favorited this new website.
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Originally posted by Porky
I can tell you that Woodland is a very safe place to go but I can't say the same for Promenade.
Why can't you say that Promenade is safe? I can.
8 total crimes against someone's person at Promenade in 2008, again out of millions of visits. Again, the odds of something really bad happening there is about nil. Stop scaring people.
And as for your movie theater theory, there were zero car thefts or car burglaries at the AMC 20 across the street from Promenade in 2008.
Please, try to use facts.
I'm not scared...I practically ate lunch at Woodland everyday as a high schooler. In my case, with 2 little distractions and hands full leaves me more vunerable than say RM or any other average guy. I just know to park as close as I can to the door and be aware of my surroundings. There may have only been 13 physical assaults, but I sure don't want to be one of them.
I was just saying it would be nice to have a heads up on weird things going on around here. For example...back in the fall some weirdos were walking neighborhoods selling this "Advantage" cleaner crap. Through this forum my suspicions were confirmed and I knew to be a bit more vigilant when walking to the park, being extra sure to keep gate locked, etc.
As for being scared and wary...wary yes, scared no.
Omaha, NE is having a ton of store robberies, so many in fact that the Omaha PD has started an all out attack on robberies they won't say exactly what it is they are doing, they don't want to alert the robbers- anyhow, so far they caught some bad guys. Omaha had a bad murder of a 42 year old female store clerk last week. She did everything the robber asked of her and he still shot her. Tulsa should try a speical police robbery attack force, or have a crime unit for dangerous areas- It's more productive than ticket writting anyhow.
TPD are ticket-writing specialists.
The Motorcycle Unit was even out today on 169 in the cold!!
Do you suspect they were there "To serve and protect"? Or to Revenue Collect?
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Originally posted by Hawkins
TPD are ticket-writing specialists.
The Motorcycle Unit was even out today on 169 in the cold!!
Do you suspect they were there "To serve and protect"? Or to Revenue Collect?
Which is more likely to put you in the hospital, a criminal or a car accident?
based on the safety features of today's cars...a criminal.
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Originally posted by swake
Which is more likely to put you in the hospital, a criminal or a car accident?
That would be a car accident with the driver being criminally impaired.
Swake, I don't know you and obviously I'm new here and shouldn't throw my weight around but you keep telling Porky to quit scaring people.
How is inviting interested members to a Crime Forum scaring people? If people don't wish to be scared (I say informed), they don't have to view it just like a scary movie. Porky has already mentioned this is in its infant stage so-to-speak. I'm sure numbers and sources will follow.
You keep mentioning things like 8 total crimes at promenade in 2008 and 6 assaults in 2008 at woodland hills like it's no big deal. What if one of those crimes were your mother, father,sister, brother, wife, girlfriend, etc. What if they weren't so lucky and got killed? Oh well, they were just a statistic huh?
Bottom line is that people are people and they DO NOT care about statistics! They want to be informed and people are curious and sometimes morbid and tend to be interested in crime. Especially when it is in their own backyard.
If you don't like what Porky is doing, don't read it. It's that simple. Quit reeling about the scaring and statistics and maybe us lucky folks who haven't ended up a statistic might learn something by joining and keep ourselves and our families and loved ones safe.
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Originally posted by JessnT
Bottom line is that people are people and they DO NOT care about statistics!
So we shouldn't let facts get in the way of our perceptions, no matter how inaccurate those perceptions may be?
We are all afraid of something. I am afraid to die. I won't eat natural food because I am afraid of dying of natural causes.
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Originally posted by Porky
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Originally posted by swake
Which is more likely to put you in the hospital, a criminal or a car accident?
That would be a car accident with the driver being criminally impaired.
Wrong again,
Like fish in a barrel.
The last year I could find numbers for all three statistics is 2002.
Number of people murdered nationally: 16,204
Number of people killed in car accidents: 42,815
Number of people killed in alcohol related accidents: 17,419.
So you can conclude that you are more likely to die due to a drunk driver than to be murdered. But that's not the case unless you drive drunk or walk into traffic drunk. Intoxicated drivers and intoxicated pedestrians make up 10,235 of those deaths. So passengers and non-intoxicated drivers only made up 7,184 deaths. So if you don't drink and drive (or walk) you are much more likely to be murdered. If you are smart enough to avoid being a passenger in a car with a drunk driver then risk is cut again.
So you are still more likely to die in a non-alcohol related accident than in an alcohol related one or be murdered. 25,396 people were killed in accidents where drinking was not a factor. The number of people killed in non-Alcohol related accidents in fact out number deaths due to murder and innocent victims killed due to drunk driving, combined. 25,396 to 23,388. And that's not even taking into account that a huge percentage of those murder victim numbers were innocent people killed by drunk drivers.
So Porky, your statement is wrong again. Cars are more dangerous than crime, even if you count victims of drunk drivers.
Actually my first thought was cell phones, looks like I'm right again...... Swake. [8D]
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Originally posted by Porky
Actually my first thought was cell phones, looks like I'm right again...... Swake. [8D]
No law against cell phones in cars in Oklahoma.
But, there are an estimated 6200 deaths in cars due to cell phone, and that's probably a very high number as it's by a group trying to ban cell phone usage in car so no, that's not a leading cause of death in a nation of 300 million people.
Hey, have you considered a website on something truly dangerous? Cardiovascular Disease. Number One leading cause of death in America, 38% of all deaths. 921,000 people died from Cardiovascular Disease in 2002. That's more than all these other causes combined and multiplied by ten.
We worry about the wrong things.
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Originally posted by swake
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Originally posted by Porky
Actually my first thought was cell phones, looks like I'm right again...... Swake. [8D]
No law against cell phones in cars in Oklahoma.
which needs to get fixed.
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Originally posted by swake
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The irony to all of this, as you go on and on about me trying to scare people and etc....... is you're scaring me.
I'm serious Swake, your behavior reminds me of a Kathy Bates in the movie Misery.
I sure hope to awake tomorrow morning without being tied to my bed with you standing over me busting my legs with a sledge hammer.
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Originally posted by swake
Number of people murdered nationally: 16,204
Number of people killed in car accidents: 42,815
Number of people killed in alcohol related accidents: 17,419.
Your murder numbers are just the numbers of people intentionally killed by others. If we applied those same criteria to the car accidents I would imagine that they would be dramatically reduced.
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Originally posted by swake
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Originally posted by Hawkins
TPD are ticket-writing specialists.
The Motorcycle Unit was even out today on 169 in the cold!!
Do you suspect they were there "To serve and protect"? Or to Revenue Collect?
Which is more likely to put you in the hospital, a criminal or a car accident?
Neither. I wear my seatbelt and I carry a gun.
Seriously, take those "undercover" Impalas and that grey Charger running around. Were those vehicles made for ANY other purpose than revenue collection?
Sure its nice when they pull over a drunk driver or a reckless idiot, but they don't draw any lines. They'll sack you for doing 68-mph down 169, and that, quite simply, is dumb.
You guys like a police state, well good for you because we've got one, and it will only get worse from here out.
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Originally posted by Hawkins
Seriously, take those "undercover" Impalas and that grey Charger running around. Were those vehicles made for ANY other purpose than revenue collection?
Sure its nice when they pull over a drunk driver or a reckless idiot, but they don't draw any lines. They'll sack you for doing 68-mph down 169, and that, quite simply, is dumb.
I agree, if those undercover cars had a real purpose they wouldn't of given them to the traffic squad. They're just a money machine for the city.
Here's a story of interest I have up today. I was completely shocked when I heard it yesterday. Every parent needs to see and hear this.
http://tulsacrime.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=soundoff&action=display&thread=56
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Originally posted by Porky
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Originally posted by Hawkins
Seriously, take those "undercover" Impalas and that grey Charger running around. Were those vehicles made for ANY other purpose than revenue collection?
Sure its nice when they pull over a drunk driver or a reckless idiot, but they don't draw any lines. They'll sack you for doing 68-mph down 169, and that, quite simply, is dumb.
I agree, if those undercover cars had a real purpose they wouldn't of given them to the traffic squad. They're just a money machine for the city.
Here's a story of interest I have up today. I was completely shocked when I heard it yesterday. Every parent needs to see and hear this.
http://tulsacrime.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=soundoff&action=display&thread=56
More fear mongering about threats that don't really exist.
If you let your kids play video games they are going to shoot you!
Completely debunked idiocy.
Harvard Study Finds no link between violence and video games:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9942041-1.html?tag=mncol;txt
More of the same from the Journal Science by a professor at University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign:
http://www.physorg.com/news5758.html
And another study by a professor at Southern Cal:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/gaming/2007-03-02-killer-games_N.htm
You really live your life in such fear and outrage don't you? Lots of stress there worrying about crime and cell phones and video games. It's bad for you. You might want to have your heart checked, stress like than can lead to heart disease, which actually is THE leading cause of the death in the United States.
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Originally posted by swake
More fear mongering about threats that don't really exist.
If you let your kids play video games they are going to shoot you!
Completely debunked idiocy.
Harvard Study Finds no link between violence and video games:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9942041-1.html?tag=mncol;txt
More of the same from the Journal Science by a professor at University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign:
http://www.physorg.com/news5758.html
And another study by a professor at Southern Cal:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/gaming/2007-03-02-killer-games_N.htm
You really live your life in such fear and outrage don't you? Lots of stress there worrying about crime and cell phones and video games. It's bad for you. You might want to have your heart checked, stress like than can lead to heart disease, which actually is THE leading cause of the death in the United States.
It's a shame you didn't listen to the Podcast.
Here's some food for thought!
http://tulsacrime.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=oklacrime&action=display&thread=59
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Originally posted by Porky
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Originally posted by swake
More fear mongering about threats that don't really exist.
If you let your kids play video games they are going to shoot you!
Completely debunked idiocy.
Harvard Study Finds no link between violence and video games:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9942041-1.html?tag=mncol;txt
More of the same from the Journal Science by a professor at University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign:
http://www.physorg.com/news5758.html
And another study by a professor at Southern Cal:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/gaming/2007-03-02-killer-games_N.htm
You really live your life in such fear and outrage don't you? Lots of stress there worrying about crime and cell phones and video games. It's bad for you. You might want to have your heart checked, stress like than can lead to heart disease, which actually is THE leading cause of the death in the United States.
It's a shame you didn't listen to the Podcast.
It's a shame I didn't listen to the numb nuts on talk radio who make their living by preying on and fanning the flames of weak minded people's fears and insecurities?
Please.
I'll go with scientific papers and facts. You see, in all of this what you don't like are facts. You want to deal in emotion, specifically fear, and ignore facts and therefore reality. That's what I have a problem with.
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Originally posted by Porky
Here's some food for thought!
http://tulsacrime.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=oklacrime&action=display&thread=59
Isn't this a Tulsa crime forum? Isn't Weleetka more than 60 miles from Tulsa?
Next thing you know, you're going to put crime in Kansas on that board.
And I don't get how Promenade is more dangerous, either. The rate there is so low, it's infinitesimal.
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Originally posted by Hawkins
TPD are ticket-writing specialists.
The Motorcycle Unit was even out today on 169 in the cold!!
Do you suspect they were there "To serve and protect"? Or to Revenue Collect?
call it what you will, but if their presence alone slows down just one distracted driver on a cell phone or gets someone to but their seat belt on, then they have done their job. I bet you think anytime you see an OHP officer with someone pulled over, they are automatically getting a ticket. Ask any OHP and I would say 85-90% of them say they write more safety contacts then actual tickets.
The cop's presence alone gets you to slow down, not run a red light, and pay attention. If it saves just one life, they have done their job.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
Isn't this a Tulsa crime forum? Isn't Weleetka more than 60 miles from Tulsa?
Next thing you know, you're going to put crime in Kansas on that board.
And I don't get how Promenade is more dangerous, either. The rate there is so low, it's infinitesimal.
You best be calling up all them Ron's Hamburger outfits and tell them they shouldn't be selling those Chicken Sandwiches.
And if I lived in Red Fork, going to the Promenade would seem nice.
Any of you ever heard of "Sexting" ?
Check this out: http://tulsacrime.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=soundoff&action=display&thread=66
Can't wait to hear Swake and Rwarm's wrath on this one! [}:)]
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Originally posted by Porky
Any of you ever heard of "Sexting" ?
Check this out: http://tulsacrime.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=soundoff&action=display&thread=66
Can't wait to hear Swake and Rwarm's wrath on this one! [}:)]
Porky... I sure as h#ll hope you are able to attract a large enough audience, to your on and off attempt at running a forum, that you will stay the heck off of here.
How many times do you show up with this
"original" idea that needs to become a forum..?
The answer:... Ever since your forum fell apart.
This one has a real original feel to it....
Kinda like a cross between "Stag" , "True Crime"...and "True Detective"
Just be careful...! You might attract that one in so many million.... Real life... Hannibal Lecter..... And you know that people in Oklahoma love them some
pork BBQ..
it just might work... Unless there is a law that punishes people for bad taste...
Oh well.. Good Luck..............
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Originally posted by Hawkins
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Originally posted by swake
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Originally posted by Hawkins
TPD are ticket-writing specialists.
The Motorcycle Unit was even out today on 169 in the cold!!
Do you suspect they were there "To serve and protect"? Or to Revenue Collect?
Which is more likely to put you in the hospital, a criminal or a car accident?
Neither. I wear my seatbelt and I carry a gun.
Seriously, take those "undercover" Impalas and that grey Charger running around. Were those vehicles made for ANY other purpose than revenue collection?
Sure its nice when they pull over a drunk driver or a reckless idiot, but they don't draw any lines. They'll sack you for doing 68-mph down 169, and that, quite simply, is dumb.
You guys like a police state, well good for you because we've got one, and it will only get worse from here out.
Hawkins.... I gotta know... Is this what you look like when you are out cruisin around with your Revolver...?
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Maybe those that claim crime isn't bad in Tulsa, should call up the Mayor and tell her to quit wasting your tax money on TPD staking out the eastside for armed robbers.
Ped checking anyone walking around apartment complexes.
On a side note , watch for apartment complexes having their own little gangs. [;)]
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Originally posted by Hawkins
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I agree with swake.
This isn't an effort to have a positive discussion on Tulsa and look for solutions to crime. This is trying to keep crime as a hot topic to keep people scared.
I disagree. Alert maybe, but not scared.
I own a local store, and check the news daily to see if there have been any robbery or overnight burglary attempts in my area.
Already favorited this new website.
Here is your flaw. Thinking the news covers even 50% of the crime.
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Originally posted by Rico
Porky... I sure as h#ll hope you are able to attract a large enough audience, to your on and off attempt at running a forum, that you will stay the heck off of here.
How many times do you show up with this "original" idea that needs to become a forum..?
The answer:... Ever since your forum fell apart.
This one has a real original feel to it....
Kinda like a cross between "Stag" , "True Crime"...and "True Detective"
Just be careful...! You might attract that one in so many million.... Real life... Hannibal Lecter..... And you know that people in Oklahoma love them some pork BBQ..
it just might work... Unless there is a law that punishes people for bad taste...
Oh well.. Good Luck..............
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y179/rico2/Porky_.jpg)
Rico........and good luck to you. [:)]
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Originally posted by MDepr2007
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Originally posted by Hawkins
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I agree with swake.
This isn't an effort to have a positive discussion on Tulsa and look for solutions to crime. This is trying to keep crime as a hot topic to keep people scared.
I disagree. Alert maybe, but not scared.
I own a local store, and check the news daily to see if there have been any robbery or overnight burglary attempts in my area.
Already favorited this new website.
Here is your flaw. Thinking the news covers even 50% of the crime.
True words there.
Domestic Violence a Felony?
http://tulsacrime.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=soundoff&action=display&thread=73
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Originally posted by Porky
Domestic Violence a Felony?
http://tulsacrime.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=soundoff&action=display&thread=73
Isn't this type of post discouraged? Just writing a few words to post a link to their website on a thread they started falls under the title "self-promotion", IMHO.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
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Originally posted by Porky
Domestic Violence a Felony?
http://tulsacrime.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=soundoff&action=display&thread=73
Isn't this type of post discouraged? Just writing a few words to post a link to their website on a thread they started falls under the title "self-promotion", IMHO.
I thought it was pretty interesting and it wasn't wrote about in any form at all on this forum. But if you feel that way I will stop, out of respect to this forum.
Just bring it here instead of just posting a link. I would read it, but don't want to be made to leave this forum to join another conversation.
Thanks.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Just bring it here instead of just posting a link. I would read it, but don't want to be made to leave this forum to join another conversation.
Thanks.
I would like to but I best not, there are people on here that would say I was just spreading fear of domestic violence. [:)]
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Originally posted by Porky
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Just bring it here instead of just posting a link. I would read it, but don't want to be made to leave this forum to join another conversation.
Thanks.
I would like to but I best not, there are people on here that would say I was just spreading fear of domestic violence. [:)]
I don't think anyone would feel you were trying to spread anything, Porky, unless of course that word "proboards" were inserted into the link.
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Originally posted by Rico
I don't think anyone would feel you were trying to spread anything, Porky, unless of course that word "proboards" were inserted into the link.
I thought you were afraid of Hannibal Lecter showing up if I posted such stories? I wouldn't want to do anything that might scare you or bring harms way to you, Rico.
He won't post here, he's afraid of having to defend the factual basis of his posts.
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Originally posted by swake
He won't post here, he's afraid of having to defend the factual basis of his posts.
SAY WHAT......are you calling the Tulsa World, KOTV, KTUL, KJRH and Fox23 liars?
I will say I did post here years back but the personal attacks from you and a couple of others in your forum bully squad left me no choice but to go elsewhere.
Looks as though nothing has changed and it's sad because this forum has some great members, fortunate for them you and your crew choose to leave them be.
By the way, Swake. I'm still trying to figure out why you would want me to post the stories here when you stated I was only creating fear by doing so. Did you go out and buy yourself a pair of Depends this weekend?
ON the cell phone tangent:
Studies have proven that conversation is a distraction to drivers.
If you take the cell phone out of the equation (hands free device/conversation with a passenger) the conversation remains a distraction.
Aside from texting, dialing, or finding a cell phone to answer - the phone is not the problem. The distraction of conversation is the problem. So, unless we are going to ban conversations while driving a cell phone ban is another Big Brother farce keeping us safe from ourselves.
If a person is not in control of their vehicle because of a cell phone, reading a news paper, or putting on makeup - it is reckless driving. If they crash because of such a distraction it is failure to maintain control of your vehicle. Why not use the laws that are already in place? Swerving wildly - pull them over. Who cares what the reason is.
/you can go back to bickering about some other forum now.
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Originally posted by Porky
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Originally posted by swake
He won't post here, he's afraid of having to defend the factual basis of his posts.
SAY WHAT......are you calling the Tulsa World, KOTV, KTUL, KJRH and Fox23 liars?
I will say I did post here years back but the personal attacks from you and a couple of others in your forum bully squad left me no choice but to go elsewhere.
Looks as though nothing has changed and it's sad because this forum has some great members, fortunate for them you and your crew choose to leave them be.
By the way, Swake. I'm still trying to figure out why you would want me to post the stories here when you stated I was only creating fear by doing so. Did you go out and buy yourself a pair of Depends this weekend?
I'm not calling them liars, but if you would like to have a debate on the quality of the local news, particularly local broadcast media and you want to be in the position of defending them, let's go for it. I think everyone here knows you would have a very losing hand.
And Porky, I haven't attacked you personally. Now or in the past, but I certainly have attacked the content of your posts like your long time rant about how the arena was never going to be built and how it was all a con. Attacking the factual nature of your posts is not a personal attack, it is debate. That you post half baked crap and can't defend your positions is not my fault.
However, right now I'm going to attack your past forums which I have read a few times. In just those few times they have been proven to be cesspools full of the worst of humanity. Racism, Classism, every ism you can name with a strong helping of sophomoric sexual innuendo.
The only things that weren't allowed on those boards were facts, reality and basic decency. The people that posted on your forum have to be the idiots that are on the Tulsa World site today.
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Originally posted by swake
And Porky, I haven't attacked you personally. Now or in the past, but I certainly have attacked the content of your posts like your long time rant about how the arena was never going to be built and how it was all a con. Attacking the factual nature of your posts is not a personal attack, it is debate. That you post half baked crap and can't defend your positions is not my fault.
However, right now I'm going to attack your past forums which I have read a few times. In just those few times they have been proven to be cesspools full of the worst of humanity. Racism, Classism, every ism you can name with a strong helping of sophomoric sexual innuendo.
The only things that weren't allowed on those boards were facts, reality and basic decency. The people that posted on your forum have to be the idiots that are on the Tulsa World site today.
Once again you have proven me accurate on what I had to say about you. I'd of given you a shovel but obviously you aren't in need of one.
I just went to the Tulsa Crime Forum site...
The administrator had posted 87 times and everybody else had posted comments 20 times total, and one poster was 12 of those. The administrator had started 30 threads on Tulsa Crime, but only 7 of them had any other comments.
This forum seems to be a one way conversation only promoted on other forums.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
ON the cell phone tangent:
Studies have proven that conversation is a distraction to drivers.
If you take the cell phone out of the equation (hands free device/conversation with a passenger) the conversation remains a distraction.
Aside from texting, dialing, or finding a cell phone to answer - the phone is not the problem. The distraction of conversation is the problem. So, unless we are going to ban conversations while driving a cell phone ban is another Big Brother farce keeping us safe from ourselves.
If a person is not in control of their vehicle because of a cell phone, reading a news paper, or putting on makeup - it is reckless driving. If they crash because of such a distraction it is failure to maintain control of your vehicle. Why not use the laws that are already in place? Swerving wildly - pull them over. Who cares what the reason is.
Inattentive Driving is what the police are now charging Cellphone related accidents with and the other things you mentioned. Police are the first to say that cellphone usage is a major cause for accidents but they use them while driving around town as well. Trying to eat and drive is another problem they have had issues with.
The ones that get me the most are those driving around with a cellphone in one hand and smoking a cigarette with the other hand. I often wonder if they're using their toes to drive with.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I just went to the Tulsa Crime Forum site...
The administrator had posted 87 times and everybody else had posted comments 20 times total, and one poster was 12 of those. The administrator had started 30 threads on Tulsa Crime, but only 7 of them had any other comments.
This forum seems to be a one way conversation only promoted on other forums.
So what's your point, never seen an Admin actual do something before?
Last week was the first week for the website and I'm pleased on how it went. I don't look for it to be a daily converstion site but a site where people can find out all about crime issues.
RM, was there a reason you didn't mention how many "views" all the threads had? I'd list it here for you but I'm not one to brag.
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Originally posted by Porky
So what's your point, never seen an Admin actual do something before?
Good point.
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Originally posted by swake
That you post half baked crap and can't defend your positions is not my fault.
I've given your thoughts and remarks a lot of heavy thought, Swake.
You've open my eyes in so many ways, fear being the most.
So I've rebuilt my website with your thoughts being my paint brush. I hope you like it and see that I appreciate your comments in making a better Tulsa. [:)]
http://tulsacrime.proboards.com
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Originally posted by Porky
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Originally posted by swake
That you post half baked crap and can't defend your positions is not my fault.
I've given your thoughts and remarks a lot of heavy thought, Swake.
You've open my eyes in so many ways, fear being the most.
So I've rebuilt my website with your thoughts being my paint brush. I hope you like it and see that I appreciate your comments in making a better Tulsa. [:)]
http://tulsacrime.proboards.com
Now that is friggin priceless
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Originally posted by swake
Now that is friggin priceless
Glad you like it! ROFL [}:)]
Do they speak english in What?
Reyling on local media reports of crime will not let anyone know the true picture out there.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Do they speak english in What?
Say "what" one more time... I dare you...I double dare you mother ****er!!!
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Do they speak english in What?
Say "what" one more time... I dare you...I double dare you mother ****er!!!
(http://l.yimg.com/img.movies.yahoo.com/ymv/us/img/hv/photo/movie_pix/miramax_films/pulp_fiction/frank_whaley/pulp.jpg)
Sadly it wasn't that MF'er today, just a 6 year old retarded child that some sicko got off putting a cap in.
Parents couldn't figure out who did it so now they're saying this 6 year old retarded child killed himself.
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Originally posted by Porky
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Do they speak english in What?
Say "what" one more time... I dare you...I double dare you mother ****er!!!
(http://l.yimg.com/img.movies.yahoo.com/ymv/us/img/hv/photo/movie_pix/miramax_films/pulp_fiction/frank_whaley/pulp.jpg)
Sadly it wasn't that MF'er today, just a 6 year old retarded child that some sicko got off putting a cap in.
Parents couldn't figure out who did it so now they're saying this 6 year old retarded child killed himself.
Not dead yet and I would put it more as poor parenting.
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Originally posted by MDepr2007
Not dead yet and I would put it more as poor parenting.
Just read where he's in critical condition and his new step daddy had just got out of prison.
Sure feel sorry for that little guy. Going to be interesting to see how this plays out today.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Do they speak english in What?
I knew I was missing something. lol [;)]
So I've added it! [^]
Hey Pork. Where is your forum ?
It rolls over to ProBoards dot com.
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Originally posted by DolfanBob
Hey Pork. Where is your forum ?
It rolls over to ProBoards dot com.
I found it too depressing so I pulled the plug.
[:)]
That's to bad Pork. I had actually signed up and started posting.
But then again Im the son of a retired cop so things like crime still interest me.
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Originally posted by Conan71
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle
Do they speak english in What?
Say "what" one more time... I dare you...I double dare you mother ****er!!!
(http://l.yimg.com/img.movies.yahoo.com/ymv/us/img/hv/photo/movie_pix/miramax_films/pulp_fiction/frank_whaley/pulp.jpg)
Pulp Fiction: very appropriate! You've got good taste in movies, my man!