Christian Urban Music interview Show by Tulsa Resident. I think this is a great show for those who have teens who watch rap music and are wanting another outlet for them that has a positive life message.
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I'm sure he means well. But in my experience, if you really want music to suck, put the tag "Christian" in front of it.
And I know Christians who share that opinion, BTW. Too many in the Christian rock or rap field obsess over the message or image instead of actually, you know, making *good* music. It's hard to deliver the message you want when you lack craftsmanship in the medium. They're putting the cart before the horse.
I'd much rather listen to musicians who happen to be Christians (hello, U2) than listen to Christians who happen to be musicians.
QUALITY????? Music????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MllhC0qyEjY
See the 5 min videos the quality is just as good as u2.
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See the 5 min videos the quality is just as good as u2.
I would love to know by what set of criteria you make that comparison.
This version is better to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9OMSQrXJ0c&feature=related
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See the 5 min videos the quality is just as good as u2.
I would love to know by what set of criteria you make that comparison.
This version is better to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9OMSQrXJ0c&feature=related
When it comes to writing, film quality.
Fine, I'll say it... I'm a priest (wanting to be a cop), and MOST (not all, but most) Christian music... well... sucks. I know I am plugging a friend, but Ben Kilgore is one of the few that I have ever been impressed with as a Christian artist. I think it mainly has to do with the fact that he is also part of a band that isn't necessarily Christian... OH!! And John Michael Talbot. He's a phenomenal guitarist.
Truth is, I feel that Christian bands don't try hard enough. I think that of all the CDs I have, around 300, maybe 10 are Christian.
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See the 5 min videos the quality is just as good as u2.
I would love to know by what set of criteria you make that comparison.
This version is better to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9OMSQrXJ0c&feature=related
When it comes to writing, film quality.
That's how I judge most musicians.
Not a rap fan so take this as you will.
What's up with plowing the "ear" sound in the lyrics? Made it through the first 2 minutes. Maybe it got profoundly better in the last 3 minutes.
My opinion is it's cringeworthy.
I always wondered why religious rock/rap isn't better. Shouldn't God make it the best stuff ever?
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Fine, I'll say it... I'm a priest (wanting to be a cop), and MOST (not all, but most) Christian music... well... sucks.
How can you say that when there's
this gem out there on teh internets?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KubgMDSMXfI
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Fine, I'll say it... I'm a priest (wanting to be a cop), and MOST (not all, but most) Christian music... well... sucks.
How can you say that when there's this gem out there on teh internets?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KubgMDSMXfI
That really is a gem. hahaha. I'd almost completely forgotten about Stryper.
I did meet them one night when they came into Tsunami to eat. One of the other waiters actually went home and produced a copy of "To hell with the devil" on VINYL, and got them to sign it.
That makes me laugh.
And, back on topic, I've yet to hear Christian music that actually has any depth of character and actual feeling. The best music is born from emotional strife and inner turmoil, not praise and worship. That's why some of the best music comes from drug addicts. Junkies like Miles Davis and Ray Charles are among the best music writers we've ever had.
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QUALITY????? Music????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MllhC0qyEjY
See the 5 min videos the quality is just as good as u2.
But the music sucks. And the guy'd get laughed off the stage in a rap throwdown. His phrasing stinks.
So is that why he made history by beating out the top secular hip hop/ rap artist? Lecrae hit the number one spot on the billboards first in history for a christian rap/ hip hop artist. Good job on your research.
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I'm sure he means well. But in my experience, if you really want music to suck, put the tag "Christian" in front of it.
I think back in the day, there was a radio station in tulsa that (for my ears) fit that description very well: Love 98 KCFO.
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So is that why he made history by beating out the top secular hip hop/ rap artist? Lecrae hit the number one spot on the billboards first in history for a christian rap/ hip hop artist. Good job on your research.
The only chart he got #1 on was the Gospel chart.
BW I really liked the song, sounded crisp and had some good hooks. I liked his witness and he seemed real sincere. Good luck!
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So is that why he made history by beating out the top secular hip hop/ rap artist? Lecrae hit the number one spot on the billboards first in history for a christian rap/ hip hop artist. Good job on your research.
What chart?
Is it like the Billboard Singles Chart for Yiddish Clowns Who Play the Banjo Left-Handed?
Regardless, the song just isn't that good. Which tells you that hitting No. 1 in the Gospel Rap or Gospel Praise or Gospel Pop/Rock Copycat charts is a very hollow victory indeed.
Some Christians songs are good, or at least catchy. Both old ones (Amazing Grace, Eagles Wings, etc.) and new ones (What if God was One of Us, Our God is an Awesome God, etc.). Tunes that you can sing along with, carry the message, and are frankly catchy.
Most Christian rock fails IMHO.
I guess what I'm saying is Christian music should be held to the same standard of any other music. Music first, message second. People don't really care about the "message" when they turn on the radio or buy a CD - many songs are about nothing at all or people don't stop to listen for the meaning.
I understand that Christian bands want to make sure the message is received first, but by doing so they limit the audience of that message and ultimately it loses out.
At least, IMHO.
Many bands such as Anberlin and Flyleaf are playing on modern Rock radio today without anyone knowing they are "Christian." Chevelle, Creed and Evanescence (before Amy Lee fired the whole band) dodged the "Christian" label and had success, although they later got the cold shoulder from some Christian organizations for doing so. Local band Pillar gets some notice outside of their Christian stations, including being used on a lot of ESPN programming as of recent.
What I dislike is Amy Grant and anyone like her. She came out as a christian musician but made no money (obviously) so she turned into a pop star singing cutesy love songs and people ate it up. Then she decided she was Christian again and gobbled up a huge share of the Christian market because her secular popularity made people think she was worth listening too.
Musicians should make music, and let Best Buy decide which shelf it goes on.
Back in the day before I backslid back to the secular World. I enjoyed Petra, Michael Sweet, Carmen, Stephen Curtis Chapman, Jars of clay, NewsBoys, Michael W Smith, Jeff Fenholt etc.etc...
There are talented Christian artist out there.
When they try to cross over to the secular music scene, that is when I feel they lose their Christian credibility. A good friend of mine was a bouncer at the Cains when Stryper played there. And he told me that behind the scenes they acted just like a regular rock band ie. drugs, drinking and women.
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What I dislike is Amy Grant and anyone like her. She came out as a christian musician but made no money (obviously) so she turned into a pop star singing cutesy love songs and people ate it up. Then she decided she was Christian again and gobbled up a huge share of the Christian market because her secular popularity made people think she was worth listening too.
Didn't the Christian industry shun her after her divorce? (Mardel wouldn't carry her stuff as I recall) Ah, youth group days. Some decidedly naughty stuff would go on, all while humming the awesome God song.
Not that I know about any of that. Just sayin'[;)]
We all know that announcing that you're a christian artist decrease's sales. Why the dislike and unbelief that some artist that are designing their music to praise Jesus is auto-seen negative so often?
It seems that an artist is prejudged due to the scam's that many non-profits have, has, had, will do in the process of making. Most Christian Artist sale their concert tickets at a much cheaper rate and their main focus is to serve the community and use music as a form of persuasive speech to "change" society to become a more reasonable, encouraging, body of people. Is that no admirable?
As far as "screw up's" According to Christian belief "We have ALL sinned" in one way or another will again. I realize that if I am not holding a standard it is easier to point out at someone else's. If I am trying to hold the standard than my goal will be to encourage them to stay on task and not figuratively beat them because of their mistakes.
I realize that this is not always seen by ministry's when someone in the church does something wrong. The reason this happens is because the minister forgets about what God's word say's about acting in love. read the chapter 1 Cor. 13. "love never fails"
If this happened than the teens that screw up and have kids would probably be better parents because the ministries would not shun them but love them. Not except or justify the behavior but realize we all make mistakes and find a way to stay from the mistake and grow and learn.
So they judge you as they are breaking the speed limits, while gossiping, and causing strife with another member, which are sins that they don't seem to see.
I believe that many teens have an abortion not because they can find help to take care of the child but because of the embarrassment and judgment that is perceived from blinded Christian's. "Blinded meaning Christ is the judge, their job is to love" They don't realize that their judgment hinders growth.
Once again their should always be correction but correction is not a life sentence that is still brought up 18 years later, that keeps you from serving for the rest of your life.
Their should be repentance and forgiveness some read repentance and repentance and repentance and repentance to the grave.
The bible as I see it is about love, growth, faithfulness, prosperity, and more.
1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
Hope I didn't turn anyone off with the truth as I see it. Or the many grammatical errors.
Buzz, is your little daughter doing better? (Do I even have the right person?)
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Buzz, is your little daughter doing better? (Do I even have the right person?)
You threw me off with that question.
She is doing great!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am grateful to have her.........
Thank you for asking, I appreciate that........
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We all know that announcing that you're a christian artist decrease's sales. Why the dislike and unbelief that some artist that are designing their music to praise Jesus is auto-seen negative so often?
Proclaiming oneself as a Christian artist doesn't necessarily depress sales. If your marketing is right and you get lucky with the right single and some airplay, you can carve out a nice niche in Christian rock and make good money. It's harder to do that in pop music in general, just because the playing field is so crowded.
The dislike isn't because an artist praises Jesus. This dislike occurs because the music, by and large, sucks. If you keep getting burned by lousy music from a certain genre, you tend to be repelled by it.
As I've said, whether a musician is a Christian is immaterial. Whether a musician composes good music is a lot more important. It's hard to deliver a Christian message (or any message, for that matter) if the medium is flawed.
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Originally posted by buzz words
We all know that announcing that you're a christian artist decrease's sales. Why the dislike and unbelief that some artist that are designing their music to praise Jesus is auto-seen negative so often?
Proclaiming oneself as a Christian artist doesn't necessarily depress sales. If your marketing is right and you get lucky with the right single and some airplay, you can carve out a nice niche in Christian rock and make good money. It's harder to do that in pop music in general, just because the playing field is so crowded.
The dislike isn't because an artist praises Jesus. This dislike occurs because the music, by and large, sucks. If you keep getting burned by lousy music from a certain genre, you tend to be repelled by it.
As I've said, whether a musician is a Christian is immaterial. Whether a musician composes good music is a lot more important. It's hard to deliver a Christian message (or any message, for that matter) if the medium is flawed.
I understand your point. I just hope that this company ~Who Are You Tv~ can do a better job.
Once again when you see quality recognize it. I don't understand how http://vimeo.com/1449018?pg=embed&sec=1449018 is not considered high quality. The beat is catchy it was shot in HD. Just don't understand.
280,000 views on youtube.
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280,000 views on youtube.
Big deal. Videos of kids lighting their farts can get 2.8 million views. A quarter-million on YouTube isn't that special.
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280,000 views on youtube.
Big deal. Videos of kids lighting their farts can get 2.8 million views. A quarter-million on YouTube isn't that special.
Great comparison boy farting and musician sharing salvation.
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280,000 views on youtube.
Big deal. Videos of kids lighting their farts can get 2.8 million views. A quarter-million on YouTube isn't that special.
Great comparison boy farting and musician sharing salvation.
Apparently you missed the point, which is this
1) a quarter-million views isn't that big of a number;
2) popularity doesn't mean aesthetic quality.
Yea, Awesome!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/709_Christian_Rock_Hard---Album_Cover.jpg)
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280,000 views on youtube.
Big deal. Videos of kids lighting their farts can get 2.8 million views. A quarter-million on YouTube isn't that special.
Great comparison boy farting and musician sharing salvation.
Apparently you missed the point, which is this
1) a quarter-million views isn't that big of a number;
2) popularity doesn't mean aesthetic quality.
ok. thanks