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Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: guido911 on January 04, 2009, 12:54:53 PM
Obama has not taken office yet and his "administration" is already scandal-plagued:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28493919/

Countdown until Hoss, Recycle, or Waterboy jump in to bail out Obama  3...2...1
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: Hoss on January 04, 2009, 01:24:50 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

Obama has not taken office yet and his "administration" is already scandal-plagued:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28493919/

Countdown until Hoss, Recycle, or Waterboy jump in to bail out Obama  3...2...1



How about Harriet Miers?

This 'guilt by association' crap runs both ways, don't it?

You're just looking for stuff now.  But that's a typical neo-con.  What are ya gonna try next?  That he's not an American Citizen...oh, wait, that's already been done.
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: we vs us on January 04, 2009, 01:54:55 PM
I'm not seeing this "scandal plagued" thing you're talking about.  This isn't even a scandal yet.  Richardson doesn't seem to be implicated -- at least according to current reporting -- and he's getting out before the confirmation process. So . . . what are talking about again?
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: guido911 on January 04, 2009, 02:11:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by we vs us

I'm not seeing this "scandal plagued" thing you're talking about.  This isn't even a scandal yet.  Richardson doesn't seem to be implicated -- at least according to current reporting -- and he's getting out before the confirmation process. So . . . what are talking about again?



Of course you are not seeing it. I wouldn't expect you to see it either.
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: guido911 on January 04, 2009, 02:15:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

Obama has not taken office yet and his "administration" is already scandal-plagued:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28493919/

Countdown until Hoss, Recycle, or Waterboy jump in to bail out Obama  3...2...1



How about Harriet Miers?

This 'guilt by association' crap runs both ways, don't it?

You're just looking for stuff now.  But that's a typical neo-con.  What are ya gonna try next?  That he's not an American Citizen...oh, wait, that's already been done.



Thanks for not disappointing, from a typical dem bed wetter.

Incidentally, do you even know what a neo-con is? Do us all a favor, take the time to educate yourself before posting your BS liberal meme.
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: Hoss on January 04, 2009, 02:28:52 PM
quote:
Originally posted by we vs us

I'm not seeing this "scandal plagued" thing you're talking about.  This isn't even a scandal yet.  Richardson doesn't seem to be implicated -- at least according to current reporting -- and he's getting out before the confirmation process. So . . . what are talking about again?



Typcial from Gweedork, though.  He incites, like a little two-year-old.

And believe me, dodo, I DO know what a neo-con is.  Your picture is next to the definition in the modern dictionary.

[:D]

Or would that be 'Repubtard'.  I can't remember.
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: Red Arrow on January 04, 2009, 03:27:13 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Hoss
Or would that be 'Repubtard'.  I can't remember.



I had hoped we were on a truce from "Repubtard" and "Democrap" for a while. Oh well, I guess not.
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: Red Arrow on January 04, 2009, 03:37:10 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

How about Harriet Miers?

This 'guilt by association' crap runs both ways, don't it?




Not so much fun when "you" are on the receiving side, is it?

I'll reserve my judgement on B.R. until the facts are out.
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: Hoss on January 04, 2009, 03:38:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Red Arrow

quote:
Originally posted by Hoss
Or would that be 'Repubtard'.  I can't remember.



I had hoped we were on a truce from "Repubtard" and "Democrap" for a while. Oh well, I guess not.



One good ad hominem deserves another.

quote:
Originally posted by GweedorkThanks for not disappointing, from a typical dem bed wetter
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: Hoss on January 04, 2009, 03:40:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Red Arrow

quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

How about Harriet Miers?

This 'guilt by association' crap runs both ways, don't it?




Not so much fun when "you" are on the receiving side, is it?

I'll reserve my judgement on B.R. until the facts are out.



I could really care less until then.  Repubs have this tendency for 'knee jerk' reactions when it comes to scandal on the democrat side.

As far as I'm concerned, we're all one race on the planet, but Gweed likes to jab.  He's essentially a repub version of Fauxtard, but he doesn't copy/paste the entire article.
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: Red Arrow on January 04, 2009, 04:04:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Hoss
I could really care less until then.  Repubs have this tendency for 'knee jerk' reactions when it comes to scandal on the democrat side.

Dems do the same for the Repubs. I don't believe much of any of it in the beginning anymore.

As far as I'm concerned, we're all one race on the planet, but Gweed likes to jab.  He's not the only one, of course.  He's essentially a repub version of Fauxtard, but he doesn't copy/paste the entire article.

Thank goodness (or what/whomever) for not copy/pasting the whole article.

Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: guido911 on January 04, 2009, 06:30:08 PM
It's official!  Obama throws Richardson under the bus:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/01/obama-team-feel.html

This is not the Bill Richardson I used to know.
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: Hoss on January 04, 2009, 06:54:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

It's official!  Obama throws Richardson under the bus:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/01/obama-team-feel.html

This is not the Bill Richardson I used to know.



Gweed, you really need to get over your obsession with our President-Elect.

He won.

He's taking office two weeks from tomorrow.

Please.  At least get back to posting stuff about his lack of proof of citizenship.  It's so easy to make fun of you when you do.  Posting stuff implying 'guilt by association' is doing you and other conservatives no good.  He's been through that already with Blago.

[:D]
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: guido911 on January 04, 2009, 08:00:16 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

It's official!  Obama throws Richardson under the bus:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/01/obama-team-feel.html

This is not the Bill Richardson I used to know.



Gweed, you really need to get over your obsession with our President-Elect.

He won.

He's taking office two weeks from tomorrow.

Please.  At least get back to posting stuff about his lack of proof of citizenship.  It's so easy to make fun of you when you do.  Posting stuff implying 'guilt by association' is doing you and other conservatives no good.  He's been through that already with Blago.

[:D]



Obama been through a scandal with Blago? You mean, because Obama said he did nothing wrong then he did nothing wrong.\

As far as citizenship goes, reread my posts on that subject. I am against these supreme court challenges re: citizenship.
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: Hoss on January 04, 2009, 08:04:10 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

It's official!  Obama throws Richardson under the bus:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/01/obama-team-feel.html

This is not the Bill Richardson I used to know.



Gweed, you really need to get over your obsession with our President-Elect.

He won.

He's taking office two weeks from tomorrow.

Please.  At least get back to posting stuff about his lack of proof of citizenship.  It's so easy to make fun of you when you do.  Posting stuff implying 'guilt by association' is doing you and other conservatives no good.  He's been through that already with Blago.

[:D]



Obama been through a scandal with Blago? You mean, because Obama said he did nothing wrong then he did nothing wrong.\

As far as citizenship goes, reread my posts on that subject. I am against these supreme court challenges re: citizenship.



Nope, it's because the special prosecutor said he wasn't involved.  But whatever floats yer boat Gweed.  Keep on keepin' on!

[:O]
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: guido911 on January 04, 2009, 08:10:45 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

It's official!  Obama throws Richardson under the bus:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/01/obama-team-feel.html

This is not the Bill Richardson I used to know.



Gweed, you really need to get over your obsession with our President-Elect.

He won.

He's taking office two weeks from tomorrow.

Please.  At least get back to posting stuff about his lack of proof of citizenship.  It's so easy to make fun of you when you do.  Posting stuff implying 'guilt by association' is doing you and other conservatives no good.  He's been through that already with Blago.

[:D]



Obama been through a scandal with Blago? You mean, because Obama said he did nothing wrong then he did nothing wrong.\

As far as citizenship goes, reread my posts on that subject. I am against these supreme court challenges re: citizenship.



Nope, it's because the special prosecutor said he wasn't involved.  But whatever floats yer boat Gweed.  Keep on keepin' on!

[:O]



Citation please. All I heard was Fitzgerald commenting that Obama was not implicated in the Blago case. That does not mean his administration was not implicated or "involved."

And another thing, just because Obama won, and I have accepted that, does not mean he is above criticism. I am going to be just as hard on this guy as you and many others in this forum were on Bush. Believe that.
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: RecycleMichael on January 04, 2009, 08:49:31 PM
Richardson withdrew his name from nomination because of the investigation. He has not been found guilty of anything. He told Obama that nothing was wrong, then now has pulled his name before he causes any harm to Obama.

I don't see any wrongdoing of Obama.

Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: Hoss on January 04, 2009, 09:21:07 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

It's official!  Obama throws Richardson under the bus:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/01/obama-team-feel.html

This is not the Bill Richardson I used to know.



Gweed, you really need to get over your obsession with our President-Elect.

He won.

He's taking office two weeks from tomorrow.

Please.  At least get back to posting stuff about his lack of proof of citizenship.  It's so easy to make fun of you when you do.  Posting stuff implying 'guilt by association' is doing you and other conservatives no good.  He's been through that already with Blago.

[:D]



Obama been through a scandal with Blago? You mean, because Obama said he did nothing wrong then he did nothing wrong.\

As far as citizenship goes, reread my posts on that subject. I am against these supreme court challenges re: citizenship.



Nope, it's because the special prosecutor said he wasn't involved.  But whatever floats yer boat Gweed.  Keep on keepin' on!

[:O]



Citation please. All I heard was Fitzgerald commenting that Obama was not implicated in the Blago case. That does not mean his administration was not implicated or "involved."

And another thing, just because Obama won, and I have accepted that, does not mean he is above criticism. I am going to be just as hard on this guy as you and many others in this forum were on Bush. Believe that.



Never said that either, but would you be any harder on Bush?  Doubtful.  I NEVER questioned anything in Bush's past.  I just didn't like him as a president, as did many other conservatives.

Plus, he was an intellectual midget compared to who we're getting.  I'll miss Letterman's 'Moments is Presidential Speeches'.  He won't have any material now....oh wait, he's got 8 years worth in queue I'm sure from our outgoing President.

[}:)]
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: guido911 on January 05, 2009, 08:53:32 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

It's official!  Obama throws Richardson under the bus:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/01/obama-team-feel.html

This is not the Bill Richardson I used to know.



Gweed, you really need to get over your obsession with our President-Elect.

He won.

He's taking office two weeks from tomorrow.

Please.  At least get back to posting stuff about his lack of proof of citizenship.  It's so easy to make fun of you when you do.  Posting stuff implying 'guilt by association' is doing you and other conservatives no good.  He's been through that already with Blago.

[:D]



Obama been through a scandal with Blago? You mean, because Obama said he did nothing wrong then he did nothing wrong.\

As far as citizenship goes, reread my posts on that subject. I am against these supreme court challenges re: citizenship.



Nope, it's because the special prosecutor said he wasn't involved.  But whatever floats yer boat Gweed.  Keep on keepin' on!

[:O]



Citation please. All I heard was Fitzgerald commenting that Obama was not implicated in the Blago case. That does not mean his administration was not implicated or "involved."

And another thing, just because Obama won, and I have accepted that, does not mean he is above criticism. I am going to be just as hard on this guy as you and many others in this forum were on Bush. Believe that.



Plus, he was an intellectual midget compared to who we're getting.  I'll miss Letterman's 'Moments is Presidential Speeches'.  He won't have any material now....oh wait, he's got 8 years worth in queue I'm sure from our outgoing President.

[}:)]



Oh really?  

How many states are there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

Who is the mascot at Penn State?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQLTekcur-E

Hey, where's my teleprompter?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxxxGUeZtno


As far as Letterman goes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEAO0lt4Dw&feature=related

You make this too easy Hoss. I think Tulsa Now should have a junior varsity forum for the likes of you.
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: guido911 on January 05, 2009, 09:08:11 AM
And then there is the Norman Hsu trial commencing on Jan. 12 (remember that guy?):

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1231082hsu1.html

Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: cannon_fodder on January 05, 2009, 10:13:07 AM
I'm actually sad to see Richardson go.  He had a fairly strong free-market platform and was in the economic "know."  He has done pretty well for the economy of New Mexico and in private industry (he's actually BEEN in private industry).

I fear a replacement by a life long government drone.  A commerce secretary that has been a bureaucrat his entire life is kind of like a professor who has never actually done anything other than academics trying to prepare me for the "real world" of whatever field they teach.  They may be very knowledgeable, but until you actually DO SOMETHING in that field there are pieces to the puzzle you may fail to grasp.
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: Hoss on January 05, 2009, 10:18:51 AM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:
Originally posted by Hoss

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

It's official!  Obama throws Richardson under the bus:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/01/obama-team-feel.html

This is not the Bill Richardson I used to know.



Gweed, you really need to get over your obsession with our President-Elect.

He won.

He's taking office two weeks from tomorrow.

Please.  At least get back to posting stuff about his lack of proof of citizenship.  It's so easy to make fun of you when you do.  Posting stuff implying 'guilt by association' is doing you and other conservatives no good.  He's been through that already with Blago.

[:D]



Obama been through a scandal with Blago? You mean, because Obama said he did nothing wrong then he did nothing wrong.\

As far as citizenship goes, reread my posts on that subject. I am against these supreme court challenges re: citizenship.



Nope, it's because the special prosecutor said he wasn't involved.  But whatever floats yer boat Gweed.  Keep on keepin' on!

[:O]



Citation please. All I heard was Fitzgerald commenting that Obama was not implicated in the Blago case. That does not mean his administration was not implicated or "involved."

And another thing, just because Obama won, and I have accepted that, does not mean he is above criticism. I am going to be just as hard on this guy as you and many others in this forum were on Bush. Believe that.



Plus, he was an intellectual midget compared to who we're getting.  I'll miss Letterman's 'Moments is Presidential Speeches'.  He won't have any material now....oh wait, he's got 8 years worth in queue I'm sure from our outgoing President.

[}:)]



Oh really?  

How many states are there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

Who is the mascot at Penn State?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQLTekcur-E

Hey, where's my teleprompter?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxxxGUeZtno


As far as Letterman goes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEAO0lt4Dw&feature=related

You make this too easy Hoss. I think Tulsa Now should have a junior varsity forum for the likes of you.




Actually, you make it really easy in proving my point about nec-cons and the pre-inaugural bashing by using rehashed McCain talking points.

But whatever floats your boat, Gweed...
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: we vs us on January 05, 2009, 10:23:12 AM
What's the point, Guido?  What's the argument you're making here?  That Obama's already risen to the level of the Bush Administration? That Bush hasn't deserved the criticism he's gotten? You're confusing "being hard" on the president with "partisan hackery."
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: guido911 on January 05, 2009, 01:34:38 PM
quote:
Originally posted by we vs us

What's the point, Guido?  What's the argument you're making here?  That Obama's already risen to the level of the Bush Administration? That Bush hasn't deserved the criticism he's gotten? You're confusing "being hard" on the president with "partisan hackery."



You know darn well what my point is. I am going to give (and I expect the media to give--ha ha)Obama the same treatment Bush got.  If you think that pointing out the fact that Richardson is involved in a grand jury investigation in a "pay for play", which apparently is what Hillary might have been doing in 2004 and what Blago is going to be indicted for (gee, who has something in common with each of these people), is political hackery, I can't help you.

More to your point, you tell me if the following was not political hackery: Walter Reed hospital? Bush's fault;  Plame "outed"? Bush's fault; Abu Ghraib? Bush's fault. Then  there is Bush stealing the 2000 & 2004 elections and his apparent sole responsibility for the so-called NSA wiretaps "scandal". Oh, I guess that was just "criticism" in your eyes.
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: RecycleMichael on January 05, 2009, 01:41:50 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911
Walter Reed hospital? Bush's fault;  Plame "outed"? Bush's fault; Abu Ghraib? Bush's fault. Then  there is Bush stealing the 2000 & 2004 elections and his apparent sole responsibility for the so-called NSA wiretaps "scandal".


Thanks for recapping.

Damn, he was a sucky President.
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: we vs us on January 05, 2009, 01:46:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:
Originally posted by we vs us

What's the point, Guido?  What's the argument you're making here?  That Obama's already risen to the level of the Bush Administration? That Bush hasn't deserved the criticism he's gotten? You're confusing "being hard" on the president with "partisan hackery."



You know darn well what my point is. I am going to give (and I expect the media to give--ha ha)Obama the same treatment Bush got.  If you think that pointing out the fact that Richardson is involved in a grand jury investigation in a "pay for play", which apparently is what Hillary might have been doing in 2004 and what Blago is going to be indicted for (gee, who has something in common with each of these people), is political hackery, I can't help you.

More to your point, you tell me if the following was not political hackery: Walter Reed hospital? Bush's fault;  Plame "outed"? Bush's fault; Abu Ghraib? Bush's fault. Then  there is Bush stealing the 2000 & 2004 elections and his apparent sole responsibility for the so-called NSA wiretaps "scandal". Oh, I guess that was just "criticism" in your eyes.



So wait.  All that stuff is just people piling on for partisan reasons?  Abu Ghraib?  NSA wiretaps?  How bout Katrina?  You're telling me there's nothing genuinely wrong with any of this stuff?



Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: Hoss on January 05, 2009, 02:14:38 PM
quote:
Originally posted by we vs us

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:
Originally posted by we vs us

What's the point, Guido?  What's the argument you're making here?  That Obama's already risen to the level of the Bush Administration? That Bush hasn't deserved the criticism he's gotten? You're confusing "being hard" on the president with "partisan hackery."



You know darn well what my point is. I am going to give (and I expect the media to give--ha ha)Obama the same treatment Bush got.  If you think that pointing out the fact that Richardson is involved in a grand jury investigation in a "pay for play", which apparently is what Hillary might have been doing in 2004 and what Blago is going to be indicted for (gee, who has something in common with each of these people), is political hackery, I can't help you.

More to your point, you tell me if the following was not political hackery: Walter Reed hospital? Bush's fault;  Plame "outed"? Bush's fault; Abu Ghraib? Bush's fault. Then  there is Bush stealing the 2000 & 2004 elections and his apparent sole responsibility for the so-called NSA wiretaps "scandal". Oh, I guess that was just "criticism" in your eyes.



So wait.  All that stuff is just people piling on for partisan reasons?  Abu Ghraib?  NSA wiretaps?  How bout Katrina?  You're telling me there's nothing genuinely wrong with any of this stuff?







Keep going!  This is just beautiful!!

As I've said before, my opinion, however inconsequential it may be, is that Gweed, with his baiting by posting links to articles that appear to be scandal-filled for the Dems, is essentially the lite-Repub version of FOTD.

At least he doesn't paste two pages of text into a post, I'll give him that much.
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: guido911 on January 05, 2009, 02:54:15 PM
quote:
Originally posted by we vs us

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:
Originally posted by we vs us

What's the point, Guido?  What's the argument you're making here?  That Obama's already risen to the level of the Bush Administration? That Bush hasn't deserved the criticism he's gotten? You're confusing "being hard" on the president with "partisan hackery."



You know darn well what my point is. I am going to give (and I expect the media to give--ha ha)Obama the same treatment Bush got.  If you think that pointing out the fact that Richardson is involved in a grand jury investigation in a "pay for play", which apparently is what Hillary might have been doing in 2004 and what Blago is going to be indicted for (gee, who has something in common with each of these people), is political hackery, I can't help you.

More to your point, you tell me if the following was not political hackery: Walter Reed hospital? Bush's fault;  Plame "outed"? Bush's fault; Abu Ghraib? Bush's fault. Then  there is Bush stealing the 2000 & 2004 elections and his apparent sole responsibility for the so-called NSA wiretaps "scandal". Oh, I guess that was just "criticism" in your eyes.



So wait.  All that stuff is just people piling on for partisan reasons?  Abu Ghraib?  NSA wiretaps?  How bout Katrina?  You're telling me there's nothing genuinely wrong with any of this stuff?




Are you telling me there's nothing genuinely wrong with Obama having possible "pay for play" persons in his cabinet?

I notice you conveniently overlooked Bush stealing elections as partisan hackery and that the dems were actively involved in the wiretaps "scandal"
Title: Bill Richardson Withdrawing His Nomination
Post by: we vs us on January 05, 2009, 03:26:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

Are you telling me there's nothing genuinely wrong with Obama having possible "pay for play" persons in his cabinet?




Nope, not at all.  Are you telling me there's nothing wrong with institutionalized torture (Abu Ghraib), institutionalized incompetence (Katrina), or institutionalized domestic spying (NSA wiretaps)?