OK Teens Branded Sex Offenders
Your son or daughter could be having sex and consenting to it with another teen.
Fox 23’s Abbie Alford discovered about Oklahoma law may surprise parents who may end up with a teenager branded for life as a registered sex offender.
http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=559813e6-368b-4508-abdc-030ea553f953
Also on my site here:
http://cfcoklahoma.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=229:ok-teens-branded-sex-offenders&catid=38:news-articles&Itemid=80
I should have the video up sometime this morning.
Ok, time to come clean. It is clear you are a single issue poster, which is fine, but what is your stake in this?
Human Rights, Constitutional issues and just plain common sense.
...but do we need two concurrent threads about the same subject?
Maybe one of our cleaver moderators can combine them [:)]
Thank you to all those responding to my son's story and caring. His life has been devastated and yet many do not realize Ricky was in a Iowa teen club for 16-20 year olds the night he met this young lady. The club was never held responsible as I was told, "the more girls, the more boys, the more money". So in turn my son was the only one held accountable for trusting this younglady cause at sixteen waht teen thinks, "well do you have ID?" I fight for Ricky daily now his record has been exspunged but I fight daily to make other parents aware of the laws which can destroy their own childs life. I never in a million years thought teens were in a registry I truly thought was for the most dangerous and violent and now I have educated myself I ahve realized many things about the registry but first and foremost its a mess and a lie and if they can put my son as a predator how many more are thre who are no thrat? How can we protect a child if we have two hundred faces on it and all are saying dangerous? We cannot cause bottom line it doesn't work and politicians are so scared to lose their political standing my son is simply another childs life being thrown awaycause its political suicide. I need folks to call Gus Blackwell, John Auffet, Lucky Lamons and demand we change these laws. There is a federal Romeo law in the Adam Walsh ACt yet Gus told me he was going to pass it now he isnot sure if it will. Please sign my pettion www.rickyslife.com and again educate yourself to the truth regarding these laws. I created a brochure please write me I will send you a free copy help me save a child from this nightmare...Thanks Mary more stories www.derekoftexas.blogspot.com
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Originally posted by MSLGWCEO
Also on my site here:
http://cfcoklahoma.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=229:ok-teens-branded-sex-offenders&catid=38:news-articles&Itemid=80
I should have the video up sometime this morning.
Weve had lengthy debates on underage bars here in the forum, so it shouldnt be a surprise to anyone.
As for the registration laws, they were broken from the beginning, fueled by media hysterics and exploited by headline-grabbing politicians who arent likely to admit mistakes.
One of Tulsa's suburbs even went as far as to construct a playground (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/community/article.aspx?articleID=071107_9_ZS6_spanc58735%22) to force registered offenders out of the only part of town they could legally reside in. Gives you some idea as to how shallow political thinking is around here.
That reminds me....
Did you ever dig up some actual 10 year olds on the sex registry or were you just talking out your donkey again?
Those registries are not public but in the hands of police. Different states make them public at different times.when the youths reach a certain age.
Young lives destroyed
Note: Some of the following stories were submitted to this site by parents who felt a need to withhold their names and/or locations in order to prevent accusations that they were resisting their children's treatment. They feared that such accusations could result in permanent separation from their children, or other retaliation against them or their children.
http://cfcoklahoma.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=233:personal-stories&catid=31:residency-restrictions&Itemid=65
Rounding up "dangerous" sex offenders? Maybe not...
Note: these absconders were convicted as small children who ended up on sex offender registry when they were old enough to publicize.
Note: the youngest was a 6 year old convicted of "sexual assault."
http://cfcoklahoma.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=197:rounding-up-qdangerousq-sex-offenders-maybe-not&catid=31:residency-restrictions&Itemid=65
I guess the easiest answer here would be for them to move back to Iowa... In Iowa, he can come off the sex offender registry in another 7 years.
As for Ricky and others in Oklahoma, I have no sympathy.
We cannot jut go back to Iowa as in the story I lot my vision five weeks before my son arrest and have to be near family...also I have a younger son who loves his home here its why we came home to protect both my sons...and Iowa is going to pass AWA a law which will take Rickys ten years and probably move him to life there too..you know take a plea and hell government changes it on you with aclick of the finger...why cause our constitution no longer has any value cause many Americans are not aware of the crap going on and rather keep their heads buried unaware there are children in these registries and then when they do see it for themselves they proclaim well they get what they deserve...its wonderful to be a American and see such vile hatred for our children in this country and not care about the young lives being destroyed...but you know what your opinion means little caue thousands of Oklahoman's are writing and care about Ricky..they know in their eharts this couldbe them or their child and that kindness gives my son and I hope to wake up daily and know somehow things will be ok..cause in the end American's we pull together thru dark times and this is one of those times ...so enjoy your day and take care
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Originally posted by TeeDub
I guess the easiest answer here would be for them to move back to Iowa... In Iowa, he can come off the sex offender registry in another 7 years.
As for Ricky and others in Oklahoma, I have no sympathy.
Folks I like to first apologize for all my typos moments ago to a poster. Second, whatever your opinion is bottom line is we mustducate ourselves and our youth. We have to work together to prevent this registry from exploding with teens. Even Patty Wetterling feels this is wrong and many experts. Google Mary Duval and find my interview with them on MPR radio. Valuable taxes, resources and polie officers times are being wasted by watching these non violent cases when real dangerous and violent predators are out there. The numbers are small but bottom line is this registry was not mant for children, teens or youths. These laws destroy families and each year new laws pass which violate human and civil rights and our federal and state constitutions. Wheter you agree or disagree we must work together to save our children and no dman registry is going to protect them when we cannot tell who is who or what is what...please help me and let Gus Blackwell, Lucky Lamons and John Auffet and other Oklahoma Reps/Senators this is wrong and you demand change...help me save Ricky please...petition www.rickyslife.com more children stories: www.ethicaltreatment.org blogs of stories: www.derekoftexas.blogspto.om Thank you
Violate our human and civil rights?
I didn't know I had a human OR a civil right to have sex with children.
And I am very sure that sex with children is nowhere in either the Federal or state constitutions.
It is amazing that there are people out there who do not know the difference between true child sexual abuse, and teenage consensual sex. It is obvious these people do not understand the differences of victims of "true" child sexual abuse, and the "named victim" in teenage consensual sex cases.
As a "true victim" (not by standards of the law) of sexual abuse as a child, I find it insulting. A true victim doesn't invite the abuse, enjoy the abuse or brag about it to friends later.
"Named Victims" in Romeo/Juliet cases are quite the opposite. In fact, many of these "named victims" will lie in order to reel in an older boy. They know what they are doing. Some of these "named victims" have been victimized more than once knowing there will be no consequences for their lies or their active role in the sexual encounter. In fact, "named victims" will qualify for the same "victims compensation" that a "true victim" will qualify for.
There is a HUGE difference in a "named victim" and a "true victim and their is a HUGE diffence in child molestation and two teenagers having sex. It is time our lawmakers fix this issue. Common Sense should tell anyone that Ricky and boys like Ricky are not sexual predators or pedophiles and the "victims" of the two separate events are certainly not comparable. Common Sense should tell anyone it is time to reform the laws and stop punishing these boys as if they are some kind of John Couey.
But most of all, your conscience should tell you it is wrong to be punishing these boys in this manner.
i feel for all of these young men whose lives have been destroyed by the registry.anybody with any compassion should see that this is just not right.we all agree that our children should be protected.nobody should ever do harm to a child.but we all need to look at the world today and see that these young people are going to be having sex.there is a big difference in 2 young people having consensual sex.these young people are alot more sexually active than parents think.when parents find out their daughter is having sex,can just can't belive it.they think that the boys must have forced them.they want somebody to pay,so it must be the young men who are forced to pay.they need to stop and realize that it takes 2 to play.
I call shenanigans. One topic, particularly somewhat obscure one bringing in 5 new posters within a couple weeks? Their posts then confined only to that topic. That seems very odd.
TeeDub or Dub TEE you need to get a life , or a brain . i was in your shoes 4 years ago, a sex offender was the nastiest thing in the world,guess what God knocked meto my knees, my son had sex with a girl who said she was 18 ,not , thats right she lied ,her life and lies go on , my son now 24 ,he was 20 when it happen. and my family are going thru living hell. what goes around comes around . if you dont know God ,it dont matter you still may have to drop to your knees or farther, do you think my son should have to register for life ,the young man ricky needs what we all need , a second chance ,all males would be registered sex offenders if you did it right , if you are pure and clean , cast the first stone , I dropped my stone .
What forum, usegroup, or email list has this thread been added to?
I can't believe that this many posters with incredibly bad grammar and spelling have joined to promote sex with underage children.
Really? We need to start letting adults have sex with minors? Is that what all these people want?
It just seems a little dirty.
Let's hope all these new posters on this topic read and contribute to other threads.
I can see how upset they all are. This is ruining some young person's life because of a blanket policy. They are just reaching out to any branch they see and hoping that somehow this issue gets heard from their point of view.
While this thread is spam on all sides, let's see if I can glean a few things most of us can agree on:
1. The sex offender registry needs overhauled because unfairly punishes naive teenagers and unrelated crimes (like peeing in public)
2. Teenagers are stupid. statistics show the majority of voting US citizens were once teenagers.
3. If one has their conviction expunged, their sex offender registry status should also be capable of being expunged.
4. Statutory rape laws, while good in theory, should be enforced objectively.
5. Teenagers... still stupid.
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Originally posted by TeeDub
I can't believe that this many posters with incredibly bad grammar and spelling have joined to promote sex with underage children.
Really? We need to start letting adults have sex with minors? Is that what all these people want?
It just seems a little dirty.
No, THESE people are promoting letting adults have sex with minors: http://nambla.org/
The case they are talking about involves a 16yo and a 13yo. No adults involved.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
While this thread is spam on all sides, let's see if I can glean a few things most of us can agree on:
1. The sex offender registry needs overhauled because unfairly punishes naive teenagers and unrelated crimes (like peeing in public)
2. Teenagers are stupid. statistics show the majority of voting US citizens were once teenagers.
3. If one has their conviction expunged, their sex offender registry status should also be capable of being expunged.
4. Statutory rape laws, while good in theory, should be enforced objectively.
5. Teenagers... still stupid.
+1
ps. holy crap, NAMBLA is real. I had no idea.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
The case they are talking about involves a 16yo and a 13yo. No adults involved.
One of the other posters broadened it...
my son had sex with a girl who said she was 18 ,not , thats right she lied ,her life and lies go on , my son now 24 ,he was 20 when it happen. Sorry to re-paste the horrible spelling and grammar, but I don't want to be accused of taking it out of context.
I think all boys after the age of 18 know the saying that "16 will get you 20." In fact, if you put that into Google, you get back
over 96 MILLION results.
Generally 18 year olds can have sex with 16 year olds. Most states have a varient of the "5 year rule" with minors. Ie. A 22 year old could not have sex with a 16 year old... a 23 year old could not have sex with a 17 year old. And 18 year olds need to lay off the 13 year old freshmen.
Criminalizing sex between an 18 year old and a 16 year old is a joke.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by TeeDub
I can't believe that this many posters with incredibly bad grammar and spelling have joined to promote sex with underage children.
Really? We need to start letting adults have sex with minors? Is that what all these people want?
It just seems a little dirty.
No, THESE people are promoting letting adults have sex with minors: http://nambla.org/
The case they are talking about involves a 16yo and a 13yo. No adults involved.
Exactly. nambla is a pedophile movement. There is a huge difference here.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
ps. holy crap, NAMBLA is real. I had no idea.
(http://mfrost.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/29/the_more_you_know2.jpg)
I have one question if rickysmom is really Ricky's mom and the mom is supposed to be blind...how did she type all this into the computer and then later notice that she had some typing errors?
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Originally posted by sledbet
I have one question if rickysmom is really Ricky's mom and the mom is supposed to be blind...how did she type all this into the computer and then later notice that she had some typing errors?
Very good question. She has a "blind program." She does not need a monitor, that stays off, of course. It reads out loud to her what ever she is reading. I'm amazed at how she gets around on the net and comments for her son's sake.
She has the tenacity that I wish sighted people would have.
http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=229&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&offender_id=27407&first_name=Ricky#begin&imageindex=2
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Originally posted by sledbet
I have one question if rickysmom is really Ricky's mom and the mom is supposed to be blind...how did she type all this into the computer and then later notice that she had some typing errors?
There are both screen readers and these little gadgets that turn text into braille.
I used to have a blind client who was able to use her computer just fine.
If you have no sympathy for others, who will have sympathy for you? Are you a perfect person? Have you ever made a mistake? How old were you when you first had sex and how old was your partner? Were you married? "When you judge another, you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the same things." Romans 2:1.
By today's laws almost EVERONE would be a sex offender. This is what happens when the government attempts to govern morality and parenting. Is there any wonder why, for the first time in America, 1 in 100 people are behind bars. I do not condone rape or pedophiles. My heart goes out to these real victims. But young people are far more likely to become a victim of these ridiculous new laws that do much more harm than good. Finding the truly dangerous types on the current system is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Forgive them, because if you cannot forgive, how can you be forgiven? Give them an opportunity the rebuild your trust. Never take your own vengeance.
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Originally posted by TeeDub
Violate our human and civil rights?
I didn't know I had a human OR a civil right to have sex with children.
And I am very sure that sex with children is nowhere in either the Federal or state constitutions.
First of all...TEE DUB--you're an a$$
Seems to me...he was a child, as well, when he had sex with her. Does
everything have to be handled in the courts these days?
The girl was probably more scarred by the embarrasment her PARENTS caused her. Should have been handled between the families....but, I wasn't there & each situation is different.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by TeeDub
I can't believe that this many posters with incredibly bad grammar and spelling have joined to promote sex with underage children.
Really? We need to start letting adults have sex with minors? Is that what all these people want?
It just seems a little dirty.
No, THESE people are promoting letting adults have sex with minors: http://nambla.org/
The case they are talking about involves a 16yo and a 13yo. No adults involved.
Thank you SGrizzle!!!
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Originally posted by MichaelWayne_71
First of all...TEE DUB--you're an a$$
Thanks.
And if it wasn't a big deal to anyone the parents and the prosecutor probably would have dropped it a long time ago.
Why was prosecutor even involved? IF it was consentual.
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Originally posted by MichaelWayne_71
Why was prosecutor even involved? IF it was consentual.
Parents and their offspring often have different ideas about sex. Some parents, upon finding out their unique little flower has been doing it with some dirty boy from school go ape****.
And once the prosecutor gets ahold of it, he's not going to drop it. Child rape convictions look good on their record, don't you know.
Tee Dee DUB, You miss the whole point ,and I guess people like you walk around with blinders on. you must be a school teacher . no because things don't have to be spelled perfect to understand what is said, we only ask for people to get informed on what the truth is not our truth , but the truth. if I went by . My first impression of you is tee dee dudddd
OK, IMO this is getting a little out of hand. How many new members are gonna do this?
Better yet, how many new members will stick around to discuss OTHER topics when this one dies down?
I bet not many.
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Originally posted by godslittledude
My first impression of you is tee dee dudddd
So if I don't agree that your son is just an innocent little flower who got picked on by the big mean ol' system then I am somehow walking around with blinders on?
Facts:
He chose to sleep with a minor.
He chose to plead guilty and be placed on the sex offender registry.
He chose to move to Oklahoma which handles it's sex offender registry differently. (He was 18 at the time, so yes, he _chose_ to move.)
Your family whines that the laws are "too strict."
And if you want to get personal with your attacks, we probably need to take it to another message board.
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Originally posted by TeeDub
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Originally posted by godslittledude
My first impression of you is tee dee dudddd
So if I don't agree that your son is just an innocent little flower who got picked on by the big mean ol' system then I am somehow walking around with blinders on?
Facts:
He chose to sleep with a minor.
He chose to plead guilty and be placed on the sex offender registry.
He chose to move to Oklahoma which handles it's sex offender registry differently. (He was 18 at the time, so yes, he _chose_ to move.)
Your family whines that the laws are "too strict."
And if you want to get personal with your attacks, we probably need to take it to another message board.
Here ya go...Another MSG Board (//%22http://www.sexcriminals.com/forums/106/%22)
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Originally posted by MichaelWayne_71
Here ya go...Another MSG Board (//%22http://www.sexcriminals.com/forums/106/%22)
Best answer yet... Thanks.
I was astounded when I read this article. "Planned Parenthood offering gift certificates."
http://cfcoklahoma.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=282:planned-parenthood-offering-gift-certificates&catid=38:news-articles&Itemid=80
No matter where you stand on Pro-choice or pro life, consider this.
If a 12 year old, can go to Planned Parenthood for contraceptives without their parents knowledge or consent, doesn't that sounds like "contributing to the delinquency of a minor" to you.
Now, a 15 year old has consensual sex with someone 18 and over, and lied about their age, the fact that he/she consented is inadmissible in a court of law. They legally cannot consent because they are below the consenting age.
However, if that same individual were to take a naked photo of themselves, the minor can be held accountable for child pornography.
Many and I mean many, young men have gone to prison and ended up on the sex offender register for life as a predator/rapist because the mitigating circumstances, (Lied about age), are NOT ALLOWED in as evidence.
Its time to repeal these laws.