From AP (//%22http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hPtm1yvXGJVcqVpQdQfpQLY8L-cwD94I51RO0%22):
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In al-Qaida's first response to Obama's victory, al-Zawahri also called the president-elect — along with secretaries of state Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice — "house Negroes."
Charming. Keep an eye on the sky, d0uchebag.
Hm. Aside from Al-Zawahri's being pure unadulterated evil, I've been idly wondering how Americans will respond to international figures/villains making racial jokes about their president. Will it make us madder and more resolute, or will we just brush it off?
I thought we were surrendering?
The Enemy is not Iraqis or Taliban (Taliban provided host country but were not perpetrators. "Taliban" means "Student").
Enemy is organization we created to fight Soviet Union in Afghanistan, al-Qaida.
We might want to keep in mind that Afghanistan was the Soviet Union's "Vietnam."
Maybe this should be resolved with a highly focused covert action instead of military.
Don't want to see the War on Terror used to maintain a bloated U.S. military. Don't want the U.S. to experience another Vietnam.
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Originally posted by Hometown
Enemy is organization we created to fight Soviet Union in Afghanistan, al-Qaida.
That is so wildly incorrect.
Do us a favor and correct me.
I thought they grew out of the group Reagan called the "Freedom Fighters." I believe I got that from a 60 Minutes Segment quite a while ago.
Here's something else that just popped up with a Google search.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1670089.stm
The organisation grew out of the network of Arab volunteers who had gone to Afghanistan in the 1980s to fight under the banner of Islam against Soviet Communism.
During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA.
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Originally posted by Hometown
Do us a favor and correct me.
I thought they grew out of the group Reagan called the "Freedom Fighters." I believe I got that from a 60 Minutes Segment quite a while ago.
Here's something else that just popped up with a Google search.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1670089.stm
The organisation grew out of the network of Arab volunteers who had gone to Afghanistan in the 1980s to fight under the banner of Islam against Soviet Communism.
During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA.
AQ were mainly Arab fighters freelancing, right. Mujahadeen were mainly Afghani fighters, right. I was not there personally buuuuuuut I have read 'books' about all that aaaannnd the US financed AQ? No.
Good thing O'Bama wants to send more
Arabic translators to that theatre, huh?
The US supported fights in Afghanistan via Pakistan. We supported local factions that fought the soviets and the local marxists.
Saudi Arabia supported the hard core foreign jihadists, largely through Bin Laden. Really only 1500 to 3000 fighters at any one time... but they gained influence with other local factions. That group included elements that became Al Quida.
Our supporters probably fought allied with them. When the Soviets were driven out and the civil war erupted, we walked away. The factions we supported were destroyed by, assimilated with, and others became part of those other the Taliban. Which of course didn't mind Al Quida one bit.
But it is not a situation in which we supported a regime and later came in to destroy it (Iraq). The evidence that the US had a major role in creating or funding Al Quida or the Jihad fighters is slim. We surely did not oppose them mind you.
I can not comment on any super secret CIA training for them. Realistically, it could have happened. Your enemies enemy is your friend after all.
And yes, we probably would have called them allies or freedom fighters when they were fighting the Soviets. Was that inaccurate at the time? Would it be accurate now? All a matter or perspective I suppose.
BUT, Obama's stock clicked up a point today in my book. [:)]
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Originally posted by Chicken Little
From AP (//%22http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hPtm1yvXGJVcqVpQdQfpQLY8L-cwD94I51RO0%22):
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In al-Qaida's first response to Obama's victory, al-Zawahri also called the president-elect — along with secretaries of state Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice — "house Negroes."
Charming. Keep an eye on the sky, d0uchebag.
i think it is funny that he is using a term that pretty much originated from the US and really has no effect unless used by another black person to defame another black person. It's origins are from the black community to bemoan a percieved complacency of other black people "in the white man's world".
To hear this joker saying it is just laughable.
On the Plantations there was a pecking order among the slaves. There were slaves that worked outside and slaves that worked in the Big House. The slaves that worked in the Big House were at the top of of the pecking order among slaves. That is where the reference comes from.
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Originally posted by Hometown
On the Plantations there was a pecking order among the slaves. There were slaves that worked outside and slaves that worked in the Big House. The slaves that worked in the Big House were at the top of of the pecking order among slaves. That is where the reference comes from.
right, that is the historical origin. I was speaking more of the modern connotations since we don't have slavery here anymore.
Given that the U.S. played a role in the creation of Bin Laden's gang, doesn't it feel like the novel 1984. You know, where Big Brother was both "Big Brother" and the "Opposition to Big Brother." It's like we are the only game in town.
Wish I would wake up tomorrow to the following headline: Last known Al-Qaeda member brought to Justice
If we are dead set on wiping out the Taliban we need to admit that we are involved in "nation building" in Afghanistan and we need to be clear with U.S. citizens about that. We deserve informed consent.
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Originally posted by we vs us
Hm. Aside from Al-Zawahri's being pure unadulterated evil, I've been idly wondering how Americans will respond to international figures/villains making racial jokes about their president. Will it make us madder and more resolute, or will we just brush it off?
No one else has gone as far down the path of racial equality as we have.
Take a step south of the Border and you are back in colonial times. Look at Europe and their constant petty ethnic squabbling. In some odd ways India is the best mirror country for the U.S. because of her ethnic diversity. In history Moorish rule in Spain was a highpoint in tolerance of ethnic diversity. But really no one else has cut with tradition like we have and no one else is in a position to comment with any authority. The rest of the world is a either a little or a lot backwards in this regard.
Does this mean we're not going to surrender now?
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Originally posted by Gaspar
Does this mean we're not going to surrender now?
Are you kiddin'? We've opened up a whole new front. From National Security Network (//%22http://www.nsnetwork.org/node/1068%22):
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Experts agree that the release of a new tape by Al Qaeda's second in command Ayman al-Zawahri indicates that Al Qaeda feels threatened and is on its heels after Obama's resounding victory. President-elect Obama's diverse background, along with his pledge to reverse many of the policies and approaches of the Bush administration on issues such as detentions at Guantanamo, torture and the war in Iraq has served to dramatically improve America's image, especially in the Muslim world.
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Having thrived on the decline in America's world image, the impact of Obama's victory provides a direct challenge to Al Qaeda's negative depiction of the United States. Additionally, Obama's emphasis on shifting US attention from Iraq to Afghanistan represents a direct physical threat to Al Qaeda's leadership. America's improved global image and the new administration's focus on Afghanistan threatens Al Qaeda and has led to what experts see as a confused, racist, and off-kilter response reflective of an organization on the defensive.
I am sure that the translation was juiced up a bit for the article. I truly doubt that this person even knows the term "House Negro". And I don't think that Al-Queda even exists. The BBC did a great piece titled "The Power of Nightmares" (//%22http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/power_of_nightmares.php%22) in which they make the case that Al-Queda was invented by the Neo-Cons to give us an enemy that will unify the nation.
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Originally posted by altruismsuffers
I am sure that the translation was juiced up a bit for the article. I truly doubt that this person even knows the term "House Negro". And I don't think that Al-Queda even exists. The BBC did a great piece titled "The Power of Nightmares" (//%22http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/power_of_nightmares.php%22) in which they make the case that Al-Queda was invented by the Neo-Cons to give us an enemy that will unify the nation.
Good lord you are brain dead....
lol. Watch the film. The basic argument is that it is not the organized terror network that the administration has portrayed. It does not make the case for an Orwellian perpetual enemy that is the sole creation of the State.
Good try though.
Personally, I chose to believe cancer doesn't exist. I figure that will serve me well as I ignore the growth on my back.
I also think it is funny that you assume an Arab must be uneducated. He referenced Malcolm X by name (no translation needed for a name) then quoted him. This person was clearly versed in some manner in what an appropriate insult would be.
Furthermore, our government does not operate in a vacuum. Networks, papers, and certainly foreign media have their own translators. Media outlets in the UK, Canada, and Australia all got it wrong. If you don't believe the governments version look it up yourself. Go to Al-Jazeera and get what is certain to be the other side of the story (unless, of course, the Government runs everything and pretends they don't, which South Park covered nicely).
The best part is the news agencies in Abu Dhabai, Al Jazeera, and Saudi Arabia got the translation wrong. SO FUNNY, even the Arabs can't translate Arabic. Those stupid Arabs. No wonder they believe in fake organizations! Hahaha!
Or maybe Arabs speak Arabic better than some tin foil hat man in Tulsa who didn't even bother looking up the translation or seek alternative sources before deciding to just pretend it wasn't true...
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Originally posted by altruismsuffers
I am sure that the translation was juiced up a bit for the article. I truly doubt that this person even knows the term "House Negro". And I don't think that Al-Queda even exists. The BBC did a great piece titled "The Power of Nightmares" (//%22http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/power_of_nightmares.php%22) in which they make the case that Al-Queda was invented by the Neo-Cons to give us an enemy that will unify the nation.
Why did you guys never take any of the posters here up on the offer to debate your fraudulent '9/11' claims? Cowardly lion!
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Originally posted by altruismsuffers
I am sure that the translation was juiced up a bit for the article. I truly doubt that this person even knows the term "House Negro". And I don't think that Al-Queda even exists. The BBC did a great piece titled "The Power of Nightmares" (//%22http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/power_of_nightmares.php%22) in which they make the case that Al-Queda was invented by the Neo-Cons to give us an enemy that will unify the nation.
Why are you sure that the article was juiced up?
Based on this film?
Just because it was played on BBC doesn't give it any more credibility than the History channel running a film about tracking Bigfoot in the hills of Southeastern OK, which was a preposterous, silly little film that made me laugh out loud. It made some money and attention for the producers and the cable companies but thats about it.
I watched Part 1 and some of Part II of this film and enjoyed the old clips from Greeley, Co. and Chicago. I also enjoy watching how we have become so entranced by harmless images portrayed as sinister and supported with eerie sound scores. Throw in some conspiracy theories, portrayed as fact, and boom! You got a BBS special edition! In this producers world there are really only four players, Liberals, Conservatives, Neo-Conservatives and Islamists, and only three of them really matter. Too easy.
However, there are some truisms to be found in it. Even trash has some value. And, it is more entertaining than the OK Bigfoot piece. There
are forces who prefer to use fear of evil as motivators. Those forces do reside in organizations of all types including our government, churches and businesses.
Nothing wrong with exposing oneself to this kind of entertainment Alt, as long as you understand it IS entertainment.
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Originally posted by waterboy
QuoteOriginally posted by altruismsuffers
Nothing wrong with exposing oneself to this kind of entertainment Alt, as long as you understand it IS entertainment.
Not really. The problem is that some yahoos take it to mean what it doesn't. Like international terrorism is made up.
We gave them a name and imputed more organization than really existed based on that for the purpose of prosecuting the original WTC bombers. That doesn't mean that it's all made up by the government, it just means we were led to believe the organization was, well, more organized than it really was.
The overall theme of the film, that the fear and doubt caused by shocking events can be used to push agendas through that would never pass before or more than a few months after the shock is well known and indisputably true.
It's too bad this film is being sullied through guilt by association.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by altruismsuffers
I am sure that the translation was juiced up a bit for the article. I truly doubt that this person even knows the term "House Negro". And I don't think that Al-Queda even exists. The BBC did a great piece titled "The Power of Nightmares" (//%22http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/power_of_nightmares.php%22) in which they make the case that Al-Queda was invented by the Neo-Cons to give us an enemy that will unify the nation.
Why did you guys never take any of the posters here up on the offer to debate your fraudulent '9/11' claims? Cowardly lion!
Iplaw spanked his bottom and sent him home to momma...It was epic....
Iplaw doesn't hang out here much anymore. His last post was 10-17-08, about the time it became obvious that Obama was going to win the general election. Altruismsuffers is here today posting. That makes him king of the mountain. Questioning what we are spoon fed makes a lot of sense.
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Originally posted by Hometown
Iplaw doesn't hang out here much anymore. His last post was 10-17-08, about the time it became obvious that Obama was going to win the general election. Altruismsuffers is here today posting. That makes him king of the mountain. Questioning what we are spoon fed makes a lot of sense.
Look I offered to debate his nonsense in person and got tumbleweeds in return.
What are you spoon fed, Homey, that you question? Or is the Right the only propoganda machine out there?
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Originally posted by altruismsuffers
I am sure that the translation was juiced up a bit for the article. I truly doubt that this person even knows the term "House Negro". And I don't think that Al-Queda even exists. The BBC did a great piece titled "The Power of Nightmares" (//%22http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/power_of_nightmares.php%22) in which they make the case that Al-Queda was invented by the Neo-Cons to give us an enemy that will unify the nation.
actually what would make a good plot is if the Neo-Cons did create them, but then the bogeymen took on a life of their own and became an entity that could no longer be controlled.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by Hometown
Iplaw doesn't hang out here much anymore. His last post was 10-17-08, about the time it became obvious that Obama was going to win the general election. Altruismsuffers is here today posting. That makes him king of the mountain. Questioning what we are spoon fed makes a lot of sense.
Look I offered to debate his nonsense in person and got tumbleweeds in return.
What are you spoon fed, Homey, that you question? Or is the Right the only propoganda machine out there?
I don't take kindly to everyone piling in on one person.
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Originally posted by Hometown
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by Hometown
Iplaw doesn't hang out here much anymore. His last post was 10-17-08, about the time it became obvious that Obama was going to win the general election. Altruismsuffers is here today posting. That makes him king of the mountain. Questioning what we are spoon fed makes a lot of sense.
Look I offered to debate his nonsense in person and got tumbleweeds in return.
What are you spoon fed, Homey, that you question? Or is the Right the only propoganda machine out there?
I don't take kindly to everyone piling in on one person.
YOU! Back in line!! Get with the herd!!!
Yeah, get back in line Hometown!
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Originally posted by Hometown
Iplaw doesn't hang out here much anymore. His last post was 10-17-08, about the time it became obvious that Obama was going to win the general election. Altruismsuffers is here today posting. That makes him king of the mountain. Questioning what we are spoon fed makes a lot of sense.
How is your 100 year old neighbor you left in the cold....
I'm still waiting for the answer as to why you are so fascinated with my sex life. Got issues?
I want to hear Al-Zawahari call Dubya a 'stupid cracker'.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
I want to hear Al-Zawahari call Dubya a 'stupid cracker'.
What's odd about the quote to me is that he didn't use the perjorative slang version of the phrase. He used "House Negro". Its like saying "You, sir, are the southernmost part of a North bound equine!" Is there a book of slurs they're using printed in England or something?
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
I want to hear Al-Zawahari call Dubya a 'stupid cracker'.
What's odd about the quote to me is that he didn't use the perjorative slang version of the phrase. He used "House Negro". Its like saying "You, sir, are the southernmost part of a North bound equine!" Is there a book of slurs they're using printed in England or something?
Now you read that some where didn't you....?
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Originally posted by Breadburner
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
I want to hear Al-Zawahari call Dubya a 'stupid cracker'.
What's odd about the quote to me is that he didn't use the perjorative slang version of the phrase. He used "House Negro". Its like saying "You, sir, are the southernmost part of a North bound equine!" Is there a book of slurs they're using printed in England or something?
Now you read that some where didn't you....?
??? No. It was the product of a long day and a short glass of wine. Where would I have read it?
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by altruismsuffers
I am sure that the translation was juiced up a bit for the article. I truly doubt that this person even knows the term "House Negro". And I don't think that Al-Queda even exists. The BBC did a great piece titled "The Power of Nightmares" (//%22http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/power_of_nightmares.php%22) in which they make the case that Al-Queda was invented by the Neo-Cons to give us an enemy that will unify the nation.
Why did you guys never take any of the posters here up on the offer to debate your fraudulent '9/11' claims? Cowardly lion!
I am not sure what offers were made, maybe if you made them on a post I was not watching you would get no response... cause I never saw it. I would be more then happy to set-up (or attend) a public debate regarding the issues of 9/11. Tulsa Truth has events at the end of every month, we already have the library reserved, pick a month.
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Originally posted by altruismsuffers
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by altruismsuffers
I am sure that the translation was juiced up a bit for the article. I truly doubt that this person even knows the term "House Negro". And I don't think that Al-Queda even exists. The BBC did a great piece titled "The Power of Nightmares" (//%22http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/power_of_nightmares.php%22) in which they make the case that Al-Queda was invented by the Neo-Cons to give us an enemy that will unify the nation.
Why did you guys never take any of the posters here up on the offer to debate your fraudulent '9/11' claims? Cowardly lion!
I am not sure what offers were made, maybe if you made them on a post I was not watching you would get no response... cause I never saw it. I would be more then happy to set-up (or attend) a public debate regarding the issues of 9/11. Tulsa Truth has events at the end of every month, we already have the library reserved, pick a month.
January. What date? Where? Format?