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The City Council rejected a proposal Tuesday night for a Tulsa Transit express route from Owasso to downtown Tulsa.
The vote comes despite 75 percent of respondents to a summer survey having said they would support the line, which could have started in March.
When the city surveyed residents three years ago, only 15 percent responded positively to the plan.
"There is a value to it, but how much can you invest?" (Councilor Bonebrake) asked.
Well, apparently $30,015 annually is too rich for Owasso's blood.
Suburban Myopia is alive and well.
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Originally posted by Chicken Little
From Tulsa World (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=11&articleID=20081119_12_A10_hOWASS886344%22)
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The City Council rejected a proposal Tuesday night for a Tulsa Transit express route from Owasso to downtown Tulsa.
The vote comes despite 75 percent of respondents to a summer survey having said they would support the line, which could have started in March.
When the city surveyed residents three years ago, only 15 percent responded positively to the plan.
"There is a value to it, but how much can you invest?" (Councilor Bonebrake) asked.
Well, apparently $30,015 annually is too rich for Owasso's blood.
I think the reasons are deeper than just cost. Owasso is one of those ankle biter up and comers and they don't want Tulsa to turn them into a commuter town.
I wonder if a private venture could make a go of it. $30k to offer one line to owasso? That sounds pretty cheap to me. I'm sure that price is subsidized somewhere but still I bet an outfit like the Bill White Co could do it.
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Originally posted by inteller
Owasso is one of those ankle biter up and comers and they don't want Tulsa to turn them into a commuter town.
Turn them into a commuter town?
The population doubled from 2000 to today (18 to 36K). Average household income is near $80,000 (2007 Claritas). Pretty sure those people don't work in the chain restaurants that have popped up. Where might they all work... hmmm.
IMHO, people in Owasso don't need the bus. They can drive our SUV's and afford it even if gas gets to $4.00 a gallon again. Bus? Bus! I didn't move to a suburb to ride public transportation!
Looks like they said: "Thanks - but no thanks to that bus to nowhere".
Glad Broken Arrow leaders approved it years ago.
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by Chicken Little
From Tulsa World (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=11&articleID=20081119_12_A10_hOWASS886344%22)
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The City Council rejected a proposal Tuesday night for a Tulsa Transit express route from Owasso to downtown Tulsa.
The vote comes despite 75 percent of respondents to a summer survey having said they would support the line, which could have started in March.
When the city surveyed residents three years ago, only 15 percent responded positively to the plan.
"There is a value to it, but how much can you invest?" (Councilor Bonebrake) asked.
Well, apparently $30,015 annually is too rich for Owasso's blood.
I think the reasons are deeper than just cost. Owasso is one of those ankle biter up and comers and they don't want Tulsa to turn them into a commuter town.
I wonder if a private venture could make a go of it. $30k to offer one line to owasso? That sounds pretty cheap to me. I'm sure that price is subsidized somewhere but still I bet an outfit like the Bill White Co could do it.
Maybe. I have my doubts though. You're talking a regular route that would operate at least twice daily. From my experience, the annual cost of insurance alone might be $30,000. Insurance companies don't like the liability of these systems or the creditworthiness of private operators. Municipalities self insure so that isn't a big cost to them.
Then talk about dedicating a couple of busses to that line at about $100,000 apiece used(they aren't going to want to ride on school busses) and the related operating and maintenance costs of the vehicles and you're talking a money pit. Again, municipalities and authorities, partly subsidized by the taxpayer, can spread these costs over a large fleet and maybe even store their own fuel, but not a small private operator.
Not likely revenues would balance that off either without sponsorship. Bill White is primarily a charter service for private parties, events and municipal contract work. Owasso made a smart move actually.
how many people actually ride the express line from BA to downtown? I've passed that bus on occasion and it looked pretty empty. Now I didn't see it when gas was high, perhaps it was more full then.
A global problem with riding the bus is the inflexibility of companies to accept the nuances of bus schedules. If I worked for a company that considered the environmental and economic benefits of bus riding and provided a little understanding that a person couldn't always arrive on the dot every day for work, I might consider it. The shadow hanging over bus riding though is the fear of employees losing their job because they arrive late sometimes and have to leave on time to catch the bus. The same problem affects car pooling.
I agree with the "no" vote.
Downtown is probably the easiest place to get to from Owasso. Little traffic (atleast when I leave at 7am) and I am in transit for less than 15 minutes... most of that is on the trip down 86th street stuck behind a person who is going 35. I don't have to deal with the IDL, and thankfully I don't have to deal with 169 anymore. Plus there are several carpool opportunities if you want to save travel costs.
Unfortunately, folks in Owasso aren't seeing the forest for the trees.
Here's an insightful quote from the Owasso Chamber of Commerce website:
"One of Owasso's key industrial attributes is accessibility. Air, water and super-highway transportation are well within easy distance, making the city a transportation hub of northeastern Oklahoma.
Promoting and lobbying for transportation improvements in our area is an important mission of the Chamber. In 2002, the Owasso Chamber led the way for the nearly $900,000 improvement to Hwy 20 between U.S. 169 and the Verdigris River. This year, we will see the widening of 76th St. North from Owasso to Hwy 75 take place as part of the 4-To Fix the County propositions past in Nov of 2000. The Owasso Chamber played an important role in passage of these important county propositions. In the future, your chamber will be leading the way for other roadway expansions, including U.S. 169 from Interstate 244 north to Owasso.
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Guess who pays for all this highway construction and widening!
Given that most Owassoans work in the City of Tulsa, it's too bad that they would rather spend OUR tax dollars expanding THEIR highways to subsidize their living choices, rather than spending their own money to help their folks get to their jobs in our city.
Hmmm...
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Originally posted by JCnOwasso
I agree with the "no" vote.
Downtown is probably the easiest place to get to from Owasso. Little traffic (atleast when I leave at 7am) and I am in transit for less than 15 minutes... most of that is on the trip down 86th street stuck behind a person who is going 35. I don't have to deal with the IDL, and thankfully I don't have to deal with 169 anymore. Plus there are several carpool opportunities if you want to save travel costs.
Because your commute is okay at non-standard times then they shouldn't spend the handful of pocket change to provide for the rest of Owasso?
People in Owasso don't want to ride the bus because it isn't necessary. It is easy to drive .... 15 minutes of traffic free driving ... no need for a bus. I think some people would consider riding if gas was still $4.00 a gallon, but it isn't, so there would be very little money saved by riding the bus.
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Originally posted by Cubs
People in Owasso don't want to ride the bus because it isn't necessary. It is easy to drive .... 15 minutes of traffic free driving ... no need for a bus. I think some people would consider riding if gas was still $4.00 a gallon, but it isn't, so there would be very little money saved by riding the bus.
ah I see you are already lulled back to complancency with your $1.60 gas. Your attitude is exactly why America is where it is today.
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Originally posted by PonderInc
Unfortunately, folks in Owasso aren't seeing the forest for the trees.
Here's an insightful quote from the Owasso Chamber of Commerce website:
"One of Owasso's key industrial attributes is accessibility. Air, water and super-highway transportation are well within easy distance, making the city a transportation hub of northeastern Oklahoma.
Promoting and lobbying for transportation improvements in our area is an important mission of the Chamber. In 2002, the Owasso Chamber led the way for the nearly $900,000 improvement to Hwy 20 between U.S. 169 and the Verdigris River. This year, we will see the widening of 76th St. North from Owasso to Hwy 75 take place as part of the 4-To Fix the County propositions past in Nov of 2000. The Owasso Chamber played an important role in passage of these important county propositions. In the future, your chamber will be leading the way for other roadway expansions, including U.S. 169 from Interstate 244 north to Owasso.
"
Guess who pays for all this highway construction and widening!
Given that most Owassoans work in the City of Tulsa, it's too bad that they would rather spend OUR tax dollars expanding THEIR highways to subsidize their living choices, rather than spending their own money to help their folks get to their jobs in our city.
Hmmm...
Thats so frustrating. They balk at the cost of mass transit but dont give it even a seconds thought to spend millions expanding and maintaining more roads.
I think our best opportunity at the moment is to work with BA and perhaps Jenks to further mass transit options. Would really like to see both these cities have urban nodes, pedestrian friendly districts, right on some mass transit route. Starting with a nice express bus route and bus stations that could in the future, possibly become rail stations. I actually think BA wants to have such a scenario for its city and downtown. To join with them, go to meetings, educate,encourage and advocate for it more often would be a great way to help get it started and just get the idea out there so that when descisions are made, they take the idea into account.
I never thought I would agree with Cubs on anything but this is the moment. Enjoy it Cubs, I don't see it lasting.
You can't force a community into mass transit if they don't want it or perceive a need for it. Especially when the cost/benefit ratio is poor. So work on the perception or diminish the funding for the current model.
Yes, Artist, the way to get their attention is to work on plowing fertile ground like BA or Jenks where the benefits are already understood, then show Owasso how it benefits them versus the current model.
Demeaning their view is about as effective as a Liberal calling Okies dumb. It may be true but just not helpful![;)]
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by JCnOwasso
I agree with the "no" vote.
Downtown is probably the easiest place to get to from Owasso. Little traffic (atleast when I leave at 7am) and I am in transit for less than 15 minutes... most of that is on the trip down 86th street stuck behind a person who is going 35. I don't have to deal with the IDL, and thankfully I don't have to deal with 169 anymore. Plus there are several carpool opportunities if you want to save travel costs.
Because your commute is okay at non-standard times then they shouldn't spend the handful of pocket change to provide for the rest of Owasso?
First off, judging by the traffic that I have seen at rush hour when I leave work, and the mornings when I have went to work a little later... My "non-standard" time traffic seems to be the norm. It is nothing like 169 where you are bumber to bumber from 76th to hwy 51.
By "rest" I assume you mean very little. I sincerely doubt this will be used by more than 50 people a day. Until fuel costs rise, which you could see an increase to 75.
To be completely honest... I would rather owasso spend the 30k to fix the traffic lights. How hard is it to go flashing red after 9pm. Or better yet, higher someone who understands that you don't necessarily need a stoplight every 100yards. Or if it is really necessary, time the damn things so there is no congestion.
flashing red after 9? damn dude that is a statement about Owasso in and of itself.
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by Cubs
People in Owasso don't want to ride the bus because it isn't necessary. It is easy to drive .... 15 minutes of traffic free driving ... no need for a bus. I think some people would consider riding if gas was still $4.00 a gallon, but it isn't, so there would be very little money saved by riding the bus.
ah I see you are already lulled back to complancency with your $1.60 gas. Your attitude is exactly why America is where it is today.
Inteller, I assume your commute is i the 15-20 minute range like Owasso, right? Wouldn't you consider park and ride?
The problem with park and ride is that we have no sufficient concentration of business to make it very feasible.
How am I going to get a park and ride to drop me off at 71st and Yale? How about 61st and Yale? No? Maybe 41st and Sheridan? Still no?
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by Cubs
People in Owasso don't want to ride the bus because it isn't necessary. It is easy to drive .... 15 minutes of traffic free driving ... no need for a bus. I think some people would consider riding if gas was still $4.00 a gallon, but it isn't, so there would be very little money saved by riding the bus.
see my post above about work hostility against bus riding.
ah I see you are already lulled back to complancency with your $1.60 gas. Your attitude is exactly why America is where it is today.
Inteller, I assume your commute is i the 15-20 minute range like Owasso, right? Wouldn't you consider park and ride?
While living in Owasso, my neighbors were incredulous when I would walk a 1/4 of a mile to the grocery store, taking with me an empty backpack to carry my groceries back home. One neighbor even said she would be embarrassed to do such a thing.
The mentality of a majority of my former neighbors were a "keeping up with the jones" in a middle class world. Their cheaply built houses and well manicured lawns still can't hide the fact that most of them are only four paychecks away from being homeless.
Not all Owassonians are this way, and the ones who are you can write off as harmless. Just kinda in their own world of denial. Really a strange place like in Edward Scissorhands.
Mr. Burns
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While living in Owasso, my neighbors were incredulous when I would walk a 1/4 of a mile to the grocery store, taking with me an empty backpack to carry my groceries back home. One neighbor even said she would be embarrassed to do such a thing.
You walked to the grocery store? Why didn't you just ride your high horse?
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Originally posted by Lame White Dude
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While living in Owasso, my neighbors were incredulous when I would walk a 1/4 of a mile to the grocery store, taking with me an empty backpack to carry my groceries back home. One neighbor even said she would be embarrassed to do such a thing.
You walked to the grocery store? Why didn't you just ride your high horse?
Nice zinger LW. Actually, I'm guessing its illegal to ride a horse on city streets unless you have a badge. [;)]
Dang...wrong thread....edit quickly before others note what an donkey I made of myself... there.
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Originally posted by PonderInc
Guess who pays for all this highway construction and widening!
Given that most Owassoans work in the City of Tulsa, it's too bad that they would rather spend OUR tax dollars expanding THEIR highways to subsidize their living choices, rather than spending their own money to help their folks get to their jobs in our city.
Hmmm...
"OUR tax dollars...THEIR highways"
Sounds alot like "OUR tax dollars...THEIR river development". Nothing good in public transit will happen unless we start thinking "OUR Regional Transportation". Are the people from the suburbs some kind of illegal immigrants? Foreigners?
How many people living in Owasso work where the potential bus line would go? There needs to be enough potential riders for any system to break the chicken and egg cycle. (Not having a system guarantees no riders. Having a system enables the miracle. It's kind of like buying a lottery ticket.)
If enough people from Owasso work downtown, maybe the rail line would get a better reception than a bus. Using a bus as a test case for a rail line is not necessarily valid. People like rail better than a bus. Neither mode will be successful, with or without a subsidy, if only a small number of people go where the train or bus goes.
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Originally posted by PonderInc
Unfortunately, folks in Owasso aren't seeing the forest for the trees.
Here's an insightful quote from the Owasso Chamber of Commerce website:
"One of Owasso's key industrial attributes is accessibility. Air, water and super-highway transportation are well within easy distance, making the city a transportation hub of northeastern Oklahoma.
Promoting and lobbying for transportation improvements in our area is an important mission of the Chamber. In 2002, the Owasso Chamber led the way for the nearly $900,000 improvement to Hwy 20 between U.S. 169 and the Verdigris River. This year, we will see the widening of 76th St. North from Owasso to Hwy 75 take place as part of the 4-To Fix the County propositions past in Nov of 2000. The Owasso Chamber played an important role in passage of these important county propositions. In the future, your chamber will be leading the way for other roadway expansions, including U.S. 169 from Interstate 244 north to Owasso.
"
Guess who pays for all this highway construction and widening!
Given that most Owassoans work in the City of Tulsa, it's too bad that they would rather spend OUR tax dollars expanding THEIR highways to subsidize their living choices, rather than spending their own money to help their folks get to their jobs in our city.
Hmmm...
Ponder, I wish to answer your question of "Guess who pays for all this highway construction and widening".
Judging by the wording on the Chambers website, it is Tulsa county... Which Owasso is a member of... Which takes a percentage of our Tax dollars...
Since we are a member of Tulsa county, we have the right [ability] to use Tulsa county tax dollars for the highway projects. That is the way this stuff works. I am sure you could find the same type of stuff on the Jenks/Bixby/BA websites.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
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Originally posted by inteller
Owasso is one of those ankle biter up and comers and they don't want Tulsa to turn them into a commuter town.
Turn them into a commuter town?
The population doubled from 2000 to today (18 to 36K). Average household income is near $80,000 (2007 Claritas). Pretty sure those people don't work in the chain restaurants that have popped up. Where might they all work... hmmm.
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Whoah there! That sounds like those wildly inflated population numbers we saw recently for Glenpool. I believe the latest estimate for Owasso is 26,000. (Good growth, but well short of doubled.)
And, fwiw, while they may work in Tulsa, my guess is that most of them do not work in
downtown Tulsa, the destination of this proposed bus route.
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Originally posted by Lame White Dude
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While living in Owasso, my neighbors were incredulous when I would walk a 1/4 of a mile to the grocery store, taking with me an empty backpack to carry my groceries back home. One neighbor even said she would be embarrassed to do such a thing.
You walked to the grocery store? Why didn't you just ride your high horse?
High horse? Do you mean I should have climbed on the back of my typical simple minded, fat, ignorant typical Owassonian neighbor and rode her to the grocery store?
Your post only proved my point, d***** wand.
Mr. Burns
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High horse? Do you mean I should have climbed on the back of my typical simple minded, fat, ignorant typical Owassonian neighbor and rode her to the grocery store?
Damn, dude. Did Owasso steal your lunch money or what?
I honestly can't imagine a less offensive place in the universe than Owasso.
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Originally posted by JCnOwasso
Since we are a member of Tulsa county, we have the right [ability] to use Tulsa county tax dollars for the highway projects. That is the way this stuff works. I am sure you could find the same type of stuff on the Jenks/Bixby/BA websites.
Hmm..I wonder who it is that pays most of those county sales taxes? Might it be Tulsa residents?
And who benefits more from widening 169?
Not that I'm against it, but don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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Originally posted by nathanm
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Originally posted by JCnOwasso
Since we are a member of Tulsa county, we have the right [ability] to use Tulsa county tax dollars for the highway projects. That is the way this stuff works. I am sure you could find the same type of stuff on the Jenks/Bixby/BA websites.
Hmm..I wonder who it is that pays most of those county sales taxes? Might it be Tulsa residents?
And who benefits more from widening 169?
Not that I'm against it, but don't bite the hand that feeds you.
I can hear the money people in OKC, Tulsa - don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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Originally posted by Lame White Dude
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High horse? Do you mean I should have climbed on the back of my typical simple minded, fat, ignorant typical Owassonian neighbor and rode her to the grocery store?
Damn, dude. Did Owasso steal your lunch money or what?
I honestly can't imagine a less offensive place in the universe than Owasso.
You must not have read the "City of Character" slogans that are posted (at taxpayer expense, I believe) throughout town. Are they offensive, scary or merely creepy? Hard to decide!
From the official City of Owasso website...
Honor: Respecting those in leadership because of the higher authorities they represent.
Deference: Limiting my freedom so I do not offend the tastes of those around me.
Boldness: Confidence that what I have to say or do is true, right, and just.
Flexibility: Willingness to change plans or ideas according to the direction of my authorities.
Persuasiveness: Guiding vital truths around another's mental roadblocks.
Self-control: Rejecting wrong desires and doing what is right.
Obedience: Quickly and cheerfully carrying out the direction of those who are responsible for me.
Do they really say that?
How 1984.
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Originally posted by Red Arrow
I can hear the money people in OKC, Tulsa - don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Snarky, but inaccurate. The Tulsa metro population is a much greater part of the total Oklahoma population than Owasso is in Tulsa County.
And PonderInc, that is easily the creepiest webpage I have ever seen for any city anywhere.
Loyalty
Using difficult times to demonstrate my commitment to those I serve.
Meekness
Yielding my personal rights and expectations with a desire to serve.
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Originally posted by nathanm
The Tulsa metro population is a much greater part of the total Oklahoma population than Owasso is in Tulsa County.
I would expect as much. Do you have some actual percentages you can post? If so, please do.
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Originally posted by PonderInc
You must not have read the "City of Character" slogans that are posted (at taxpayer expense, I believe) throughout town. Are they offensive, scary or merely creepy? Hard to decide!
From the official City of Owasso website...
Holy crap you weren't kidding. That is creepy. Do they offer a youth movement with arm bands?
Oh, I forgot, maybe a drunken cheerleader v Tulsa city fountains movement...
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You must not have read the "City of Character" slogans that are posted (at taxpayer expense, I believe) throughout town. Are they offensive, scary or merely creepy? Hard to decide
D. They're easy to ignore.
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Originally posted by Lame White Dude
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You must not have read the "City of Character" slogans that are posted (at taxpayer expense, I believe) throughout town. Are they offensive, scary or merely creepy? Hard to decide
D. They're easy to ignore.
Yeah, then they're just subliminal.[;)]
There used to be some of these creepy things along Riverside Dr. painted on the concrete block drain housings. Originally they were just art projects that were amusing and colorful. Then they became more sinister. I remember one admonished the reader to "Obey Authority". Nice sentiment but too nazi creepy for my taste. The controversy led to them all being painted olive drab.
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by Lame White Dude
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You must not have read the "City of Character" slogans that are posted (at taxpayer expense, I believe) throughout town. Are they offensive, scary or merely creepy? Hard to decide
D. They're easy to ignore.
Yeah, then there just subliminal.[;)]
There used to be some of these creepy things along Riverside Dr. painted on the concrete block drain housings. Originally they were just art projects that were amusing and colorful. Then they became more sinister. I remember one admonished the reader to "Obey Authority". Nice sentiment but too nazi creepy for my taste. The controversy led to them all being painted olive drab.
I think that's a "They Live" reference. Just somebody being campy, I suspect.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096256/
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Originally posted by Chicken Little
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by Lame White Dude
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You must not have read the "City of Character" slogans that are posted (at taxpayer expense, I believe) throughout town. Are they offensive, scary or merely creepy? Hard to decide
D. They're easy to ignore.
Yeah, then there just subliminal.[;)]
There used to be some of these creepy things along Riverside Dr. painted on the concrete block drain housings. Originally they were just art projects that were amusing and colorful. Then they became more sinister. I remember one admonished the reader to "Obey Authority". Nice sentiment but too nazi creepy for my taste. The controversy led to them all being painted olive drab.
I think that's a "They Live" reference. Just somebody being campy, I suspect.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096256/
I enjoyed that movie at the time. Does it hold up? I think the sayings written on the storm drains boxes were meant to be thoughtful, helpful, moralisms. Instead they betrayed a rather scary side of conformism.
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I would expect as much. Do you have some actual percentages you can post? If so, please do.
Obviously, current numbers are estimates. We'll know for sure in 2010. ;)
The OKC MSA makes up 32% of the state's population. The Tulsa MSA is good for 25%.
The Tulsa metro is 76% the size of the OKC metro.
City of Tulsa is 65% of Tulsa County.
Owasso is 4% of Tulsa County.
Owasso is a little under 7% the size of Tulsa, as of 2007.
Numbers below:
Oklahoma State: 3,617,316
Tulsa MSA: 905,755
Tulsa County: 585,068
Tulsa City: 384,037
Owasso City: 26,352
Oklahoma City MSA: 1,192,989
Oklahoma County: 701,807
Oklahoma City: 547,274
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Originally posted by Red Arrow
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I would expect as much. Do you have some actual percentages you can post? If so, please do.
Obviously, current numbers are estimates. We'll know for sure in 2010. ;)
The OKC MSA makes up 32% of the state's population. The Tulsa MSA is good for 25%.
The Tulsa metro is 76% the size of the OKC metro.
City of Tulsa is 65% of Tulsa County.
Owasso is 4% of Tulsa County.
Owasso is a little under 7% the size of Tulsa, as of 2007.
Numbers below:
Oklahoma State: 3,617,316
Tulsa MSA: 905,755
Tulsa County: 585,068
Tulsa City: 384,037
Owasso City: 26,352
Oklahoma City MSA: 1,192,989
Oklahoma County: 701,807
Oklahoma City: 547,274
Depending on whether any particular project benefits Tulsa MSA, Tulsa County, or Tulsa City:
Tulsa MSA/ Okla State = 25%
Tulsa County / Okla State = 16%
Tulsa City / Okla State = 10.6%
Owasso City/ Tulsa County = 4.5%
If a particular project benefits only Tulsa City, the residents of Owasso sort of have a right to complain. 4.5% vs. 10.6% is still significant but it is closer than I would have thought. Is there such a thing as the Owasso MSA? Obviously the Tulsa MSA includes areas that are not Tulsa City such as the City of Owasso and areas not even in Tulsa county.
No, there is no such thing as an Owasso MSA. Owasso is part of the Tulsa MSA.
MSA's are determined by the Office of Management and Budget. A metropolitan area has an urban core of at least 50,000 residents, while a micropolitan area has less than 50,000 but at least 10,000 residents.
There are three metropolitan areas in Oklahoma: Oklahoma City, Tulsa, and Lawton. There is also a shared metropolitan area with Arkansas: Fort Smith.
There are 17 micropolitan areas in Oklahoma. These are:
Ada, Altus, Ardmore, Bartlesville, Duncan, Durant, Elk City, Enid, Guymon, McAlester, Miami, Muskogee, Ponca City, Shawnee, Stillwater, Tahlequah, and Woodward.
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Originally posted by TURobY
No, there is no such thing as an Owasso MSA. Owasso is part of the Tulsa MSA.
MSA's are determined by the Office of Management and Budget. A metropolitan area has an urban core of at least 50,000 residents, while a micropolitan area has less than 50,000 but at least 10,000 residents.
There are three metropolitan areas in Oklahoma: Oklahoma City, Tulsa, and Lawton. There is also a shared metropolitan area with Arkansas: Fort Smith.
There are 17 micropolitan areas in Oklahoma. These are:
Ada, Altus, Ardmore, Bartlesville, Duncan, Durant, Elk City, Enid, Guymon, McAlester, Miami, Muskogee, Ponca City, Shawnee, Stillwater, Tahlequah, and Woodward.
OK. The definition is out. If Owasso weren't next to Tulsa, it could be a micropolitan area, as could Bixby, BA, and maybe some more. I think the suburban areas' right to complain is not irrelevant. Going back a few days, one of the issues was road building in the suburbs vs. projects in the Tulsa City limits and who directly benefits.
Political boundaries whether they are India/Pakistan or Tulsa/Owasso will always cause difficulties. I actually live in the north edge of Bixby but tell people from out of the area that I live near Tulsa, in Bixby. A lot of folks around the country know where Tulsa is but not too many from out of the area could find Bixby. I consider myself part of the Tulsa MSA.
To make it even more interesting, there are also Combined Statistical Areas, where they combined nearby Metropolitan and Micropolitan areas. There are two in Oklahoma: Oklahoma City-Shawnee and Tulsa-Bartlesville.