Say this isn't so? I just found out about this:
www.courthousenews.com/2008/09/19/TulsaCops.pdf
I'm wondering why none of the media outlets have reported about it.
They always report about any time the cops tussle with someone, even if it is bogus!! Could it be because it involves a juvenile?
It's a petition filed in September on 3 Tulsa cops for allegedly beating up a juvenile and causing possible, permanent damage to him.
Probably because it isn't necessarily legitimate. They include that the Mayor hiring Ron Palmer as one of the things that led to this incident. They jump to a lot of conclusions like "The officers talked amongst themselves, obviously ridiculing the child" adn that the incident has to be racially motivated, because the cops are white.
I would tend to assume that if there are three cops in an apartment complex late at night, there was a complaint they were investigating so it would be no surprise they would ask questions of someone wandering around. None of that information is in this lawsuit, of course.
I don't know what happened, but the wording in this lawsuit makes me NOT want to believe it. You can also lookup the lawyer on OSCN. Looks like every case he's ever been on has been dismissed, most due to settlements. I'm a bit confused on the one where someone who works on transmissions sued sam's, best buy, and UPS for blocking the client's ability to do business.
I think "pedestrian check" is the euphemism for these type of violent encounters.
Yawn! I now have even less respect for the atty who filed this. zzzzzzzzzzz.
Go TPD! Clean it all up plz.
We need a Police Review Board outside of the DA's office and the Tulsa Police Department that includes a cross-section of citizens to review police shootings, "suicides" while in police custody and incidents like this.
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Originally posted by Hometown
We need a Police Review Board outside of the DA's office and the Tulsa Police Department that includes a cross-section of citizens to review police shootings, "suicides" while in police custody and incidents like this.
and while we are at it, lets have a citizen review board for Doctors and Nurses to review surgeries and "accidential or unusual" deaths while in their care.
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Originally posted by MH2010
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Originally posted by Hometown
We need a Police Review Board outside of the DA's office and the Tulsa Police Department that includes a cross-section of citizens to review police shootings, "suicides" while in police custody and incidents like this.
and while we are at it, lets have a citizen review board for Doctors and Nurses to review surgeries and "accidential or unusual" deaths while in their care.
Apple, meet Orange.
Chris Rock - How not to get your donkey kicked by the police!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
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Originally posted by unreliablesource
Chris Rock - How not to get your donkey kicked by the police!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
Now, that's funny!
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Originally posted by Hometown
We need a Police Review Board outside of the DA's office and the Tulsa Police Department that includes a cross-section of citizens to review police shootings, "suicides" while in police custody and incidents like this.
if you are referring to suicide by cop...majority of the time, the person has not been detained, arrested or in custody of the police. Definition of suicide by cop is "is a suicide method in which a person deliberately acts in a threatening way, with the goal of provoking a lethal response from a law enforcement officer, such as being shot to death."
I totally disagree with some citizens review board to investigate shootings by cops. Why would we have misinformed people who probably know nothing about law enforcement try to determine whether a police shooting was "justified" or not.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Probably because it isn't necessarily legitimate. They include that the Mayor hiring Ron Palmer as one of the things that led to this incident. They jump to a lot of conclusions like "The officers talked amongst themselves, obviously ridiculing the child" adn that the incident has to be racially motivated, because the cops are white.
I would tend to assume that if there are three cops in an apartment complex late at night, there was a complaint they were investigating so it would be no surprise they would ask questions of someone wandering around. None of that information is in this lawsuit, of course.
I don't know what happened, but the wording in this lawsuit makes me NOT want to believe it. You can also lookup the lawyer on OSCN. Looks like every case he's ever been on has been dismissed, most due to settlements. I'm a bit confused on the one where someone who works on transmissions sued sam's, best buy, and UPS for blocking the client's ability to do business.
Now I'm confused. I don't see where the mayor hiring Palmer could have anything to do with an officer's motivation for becoming physical with anyone. I guess I missed that part.
The officers were on an extra assignment, bicycle patrol, so they were already in and around the complex when the kid was walking home.
If the attorney's have a history of filing frivilous lawsuits, fine. They state in their petition that this kid has no history of violence or discipline issues and has always been well behaved. They should be able to back that up with school documents, teacher testimony and no juvenile records. They state that they have CT scans and X-rays as proof of the kid's injuries and a doctor to confirm that his partial loss of hearing and vision are permanent. If not, they will look like fools!
If you look at the Tulsa Police Consent Decree Database you can see that these officers have quite a few complaints on file and some use of force reports as well. That's not to say they are guilty. Sometimes, I feel over-use of "use of force" complaints goes with the job.
So you see, it can go both ways. The attorney's get a bad rap and these cops can be made into bad guys if you dig into their files.
I was only wondering why the news didn't jump on the story because they usually do when someone accuses the cops of beating them up.
The fact remains that this kid was beaten up pretty bad. If these cops didn't do it, I'm interested to know who did because that is one big accusation this mother and son will have to live with!
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I totally disagree with some citizens review board to investigate shootings by cops. Why would we have misinformed people who probably no nothing about law enforcement try to determine whether a police shooting was "justified" or not.
You would want people on the board who have no conflict of interests. As for being misinformed, that's going to be determined by the quality of the information presented to the board. If a shooting or other violent act cant be justified in a way that an average person can understand, chances are it isnt justified.
If we dont do it, the federal government will step in and do it. As it stands now the DOJ has to babysit too many departments as is.
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Originally posted by patric
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Originally posted by TUalum0982
I totally disagree with some citizens review board to investigate shootings by cops. Why would we have misinformed people who probably no nothing about law enforcement try to determine whether a police shooting was "justified" or not.
You would want people on the board who have no conflict of interests. As for being misinformed, that's going to be determined by the quality of the information presented to the board. If a shooting or other violent act cant be justified in a way that an average person can understand, chances are it isnt justified.
If we dont do it, the federal government will step in and do it. As it stands now the DOJ has to babysit too many departments as is.
I would not want the average person determining whether or not a shooting was justified. They have no knowledge of the situation's our officers are put in, so therefore can't possibly understand or ascertain what is going through an officer's mind, and what the circumstances are. Just my two cents, but I think that is absolutely absurd
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Originally posted by TUalum0982
I would not want the average person determining whether or not a shooting was justified. They have no knowledge of the situation's our officers are put in, so therefore can't possibly understand or ascertain what is going through an officer's mind, and what the circumstances are.
How is that any different than a jury trial?
If you cant make a case, maybe you dont have a case.
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Originally posted by patric
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Originally posted by TUalum0982
I would not want the average person determining whether or not a shooting was justified. They have no knowledge of the situation's our officers are put in, so therefore can't possibly understand or ascertain what is going through an officer's mind, and what the circumstances are.
How is that any different than a jury trial?
If you cant make a case, maybe you dont have a case.
A jury trial is totally different then a hearing to determine on whether or not an officer involved shooting was justified. You are comparing two different things.
You said, "You would want people on the board who have no conflict of interests. As for being misinformed, that's going to be determined by the quality of the information presented to the board. If a shooting or other violent act cant be justified in a way that an average person can understand, chances are it isnt justified.
If we dont do it, the federal government will step in and do it. As it stands now the DOJ has to babysit too many departments as is."
I guess I should come to your job with no experience and judge your decisions! How stupid are you!!!
How is that any different than a jury trial?
There is a big difference. Do you have a jury trial for things you do at your job?
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How is that any different than a jury trial?
There is a big difference. Do you have a jury trial for things you do at your job?
I dont maim or shoot people at my job.
If there were ever a circumstance where I did, I would expect a thorough and unbiased investigation of the circumstances and the appropriateness of my actions, and be held accountable for those actions.
Give me a break. Was it past curfew? Too many unknowns. Most people either love police or hate 'em. Unbiased view, I don't think so! There is no such thing. And I'm pretty sure no officer seeks to MAIM. Pretty certain they're trained to kill. Honestly, why would you leave witnesses?
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I'm pretty sure no officer seeks to MAIM. Pretty certain they're trained to kill. Honestly, why would you leave witnesses?
Im pretty sure it's not the intent of most cops just to kill outright, but clearly there are a fair amount that capitalize on opportunities to get some licks in. Take the high-speed chase (//%22http://www.newson6.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp?vt1=v&clipFormat=flv&clipId1=3162520&at1=News&h1=Chase%20Ends%22) yesterday in OKC where the passenger in the suspect's car is clubbed before his head is out the door.
If the puddles of blood on the ground are any indication of the force being used against someone who isnt resisting, then someone got a little carried away.
Timothy Pike Vs Biker Fox:
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12261
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=12261.msg162626#msg162626
Prequel to "Dumb and Dumber"?
I would pay the stupidly high box office price to see that!!
TULSA, OK -- The Tulsa City Council has more questions about a $150,000 settlement the city has agreed to pay to settle a police brutality lawsuit.
During its meeting Tuesday morning, council members wanted to know why outside counsel was hired to represent the city and how much the outside firm is charging the city.
Officers were accused of beating, without provocation, a 16-year-old boy, leaving him with permanent vision and hearing damage. The incident happened in East Tulsa on April 12, 2008.
Plaintiff Kisha Evans filed the lawsuit on behalf of her son, who was identified in court records only as "TME" because of his age.
The Tulsa Police Officers named in the lawsuit are Stephen Boyes, Timothy Pike and David Hale.
The city and the officers agreed to the settlement, which has also been approved by Mayor Dewey Bartlett. The City Council will vote on authorization of the payment this week.
The money will come from the "sinking fund" tapped by the city for this type of payment. It will not affect the general fund, which because of recent shortages, has led to layoffs for police officers and other city workers, and pay cuts for firefighters.
http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=12334861
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100420_11_0_Cityco853160
There are many obvious certainties in life.
If you eat too much, you gain weight.
If you spend more than you make, you will go into debt.
And if you run from the cops, and they catch you, they will beat the tar out of you. This is indisputable, and goes for about every police department in the United States.
When you run from the police, you endanger yourself, innocent bystanders, and the officers pursuing you. Adrenaline rushes. Anger mounts. Beatings result.
Sad that they took this one too far and it cost the city some money. Money that we don't even have right now.
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Quote from: patric on April 20, 2010, 02:08:16 PM
Officers were accused of beating, without provocation, a 16-year-old boy, leaving him with permanent vision and hearing damage..
If
three officers can't subdue a 16 year old
boy without leaving him with permanent injuries, they really should look into a different career! ::)
Quote from: MorningStar on April 23, 2010, 10:57:59 AM
If three officers can't subdue a 16 year old boy without leaving him with permanent injuries, they really should look into a different career! ::)
Dumb....!
The total cost to the city is over $280,000 - all because of an encounter with police that turned into a scuffle, but didn't turn up any crime.
http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=12366495
"Even a modest verdict could have led to a very substantial liability on the part of the city," said Joel Wohlgemuth, attorney for the City of Tulsa.
Pike would go on to Florida, where he was later arrested:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/893346.html
http://www.wpbf.com/news/24852930/detail.html
JUPITER, Fla. -- Two West Palm Beach police officers were arrested in connection with vandalism done to two vehicles in Abacoa.
Jupiter police said witnesses called 911 after seeing two men near their vehicles in an Abacoa parking garage early Thursday morning.
Police said when officers arrived, they found two vehicles had been significantly damaged and the two men were standing between them.
The men, later identified as Christopher Clark and Timothy Pike, were arrested on felony criminal mischief charges. Jupiter police said the men are West Palm Beach police officers.
Bar manager Michael Stuve said he and a co-worker called police after seeing the officers near his new truck.
"They were both kind of straddling the open door of my truck, and they were just trying to say it was their truck and they were wanting to drive home," Stuve said.
Police said the officers ripped off Stuve's gas cap cover, broke his mirror and scratched the side of his truck. Pieces of his truck could be seen on the ground in the parking garage later in the day.
"Noises that I heard when I was walking up the stairwell was probably the breaking sounds of our mirrors and maybe the gas cap," Stuve said.
It was only later that he learned the men are police officers.
"That totally blew me away," Stuve said.
Jumby Bay owner Vicki Griest said she was also shocked to learn the suspects are police officers.
"We've been working really hard on keeping this area crime-free, and to have the West Palm Beach police officers vandalizing cars, that's just -- I'm shocked, completely shocked," Griest said.