My wife and I attended this concert last night. We were both very pleased. Easy in and out, and for basically being a gymnasium, the sound was very good.
The place was about 75-80% full. The band took stage at 9:30 and played until about 11:00. Weiland put on a good show. Sounded good, looked healthy. I forgot how many hits they had.
Concessions need some help. Weird system.
Good report. I'm betting the owners are taking a loss on the first few events to get good reviews out and increase interest. Tickets went as low as $10 to promote this show. Hopefully everything works out and they can solve the neighborhood complaints as well.
STP kicked donkey last night. At first I thought my seat was going to suck because I was right by the stage (closer than GA even). But when Scott came down and got right in my face I have to say it was pretty awesome.
Band comments: It was great to see Scott healthy. His voice sounded a little rough, but age and drugs will do that. The DeLeo boys were kicking donkey on guitars. I was surprised to hear so many songs from Tiny Music, but glad that they played every hit from Core (not sure they played Dead & Bloated though). When they played Crackerman and had the chase scene from Bullit on the back screen that made my day, and the song went really well with it. The best act of the night though was when Scott took break and brought back some noise canceling headphones to give to a 4 yo in GA who's dumbass dad thought it would be a great idea to put her 15 ft from the loadspeakers and the mosh pit. You fail at parenting dude.
Show comments in general: I applaud the security for their efforts in kicking out the mooching a**holes who didn't pay for a good seat from getting in front of us. They kept everyone in GA and booted the punks that tried to cut up front. They even made the groupie trash ***** from The Edge get in GA even after she tried to bribe the front security with drinks. The only thing funnier was when Rob Deleo wouldn't take her skanky donkey shirt she offered up.
Mosh pits in GA, that was fun to watch and reminded me of the good old days.
Overall the facility is -ok-. I think it held a show like STP just fine. It still has too much of a gym feel though. Also, provide some walkability from Starworld....I could have sworn the two connected but you have to take some back alley approaches to get between the two.
As far as how close I was, this is without zoom:
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Originally posted by inteller
Also, provide some walkability from Starworld....
That's one thing I really hate about Tulsa and its suburbs. They don't force developers to link parking lots together, thus forcing people that want to go next door to either walk along something not a pedestrian way or drive out into the street if they're in the car.
I can understand old developments being that way, but new stuff not having the $100 worth of asphalt and concrete? Completely ridiculous.
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Originally posted by nathanm
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Originally posted by inteller
Also, provide some walkability from Starworld....
That's one thing I really hate about Tulsa and its suburbs. They don't force developers to link parking lots together, thus forcing people that want to go next door to either walk along something not a pedestrian way or drive out into the street if they're in the car.
I can understand old developments being that way, but new stuff not having the $100 worth of asphalt and concrete? Completely ridiculous.
well it is Bixby, Tulsa is making better progress in this area with the sidewalk ordinance. I decided last night if an of the Bixby cops or strip mall security wags gave me any trouble I'd just reply that I will stop walking across parking lots and back alleys when they provide me sidewalks to walk on.
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Originally posted by inteller
well it is Bixby, Tulsa is making better progress in this area with the sidewalk ordinance. I decided last night if an of the Bixby cops or strip mall security wags gave me any trouble I'd just reply that I will stop walking across parking lots and back alleys when they provide me sidewalks to walk on.
You ain't loitering if you keep moving. [:D]
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Originally posted by inteller
As far as how close I was, this is without zoom:
Please tell me you got a shot
at of the crummy outdoor lights you mentioned earlier...
Yeah, damn fine show. Strange to hear Scott speak between the songs... he vamps a lot while singing, but when speaking he's pretty low-key and monotone. The guy looked good considering he was strung out a few years back. Seriously, the guy was Skeletor for a while.
You forgot to mention toward the end when Scott was about to launch into a serious speech, but got stopped by the rest of the band when they made him blow out candles on a cake for his birthday. Smiles and hugs all around.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought it was like a high school gym. The sound was good but the seats were uncomfortable and the design in the arena itself was beyond bland. Well, as long as they can keep getting in decent events I'll stay happy.
they are going to have to tone down the sound and/or design the building the way it was suposed to be designed so sound doesn't escape. While I like a good show, I won't enjoy it at the expense of the neighbors and there were some complaints. Bixby city council is going to meet on it. They need to either build a 20 ft sound proof wall for the neighbors, or insulate the building.
I thought the seats were ok, I like the fact that the arms swung up so when I had to get up a million times to let people out the arm didn't get in the way.
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Originally posted by inteller
As far as how close I was, this is without zoom:
Please tell me you got a shot at of the crummy outdoor lights you mentioned earlier...
no, but they sure lighted my way through the parking lot....really, they were horribly bright, like daylight bright, and this was from the Starworld parking lot.
My wife and I both thought the band sounded off, especially after they had the trouble with their instruments being out of tune.
People I work with did not get that, though. I guess I can be overly critical since I usually see 10-20 live show per year. (more like 50-60 if you include all the acts at Bonnaroo)
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Originally posted by tulsascoot
My wife and I both thought the band sounded off, especially after they had the trouble with their instruments being out of tune.
People I work with did not get that, though. I guess I can be overly critical since I usually see 10-20 live show per year. (more like 50-60 if you include all the acts at Bonnaroo)
yes the instruments were out of tune slightly, and most people knew that since they had to stop before Sour Girl and figure things out. But at least they were trying to fix it as opposed to just pushing through because it was important to them. i think what you were hearing that was off though was the fact that Scott can't hit some of the highs and lows that he used to be able to. One person said the fact that he is sober makes up for that though, since now you can understand and sing along to the lyrics [:P]
ouch.
I just saw the video on channel 2 that someone taped last night of the STP concert....on their back porch.
that is inconsumable. I feel pretty guilty and mad knowing that much noise pollution is getting over there. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. There was less noise coming out the front of the building than the back...pretty sad. I won't be going to any more shows there until they remedy the problem. legacy park has been **** on pretty hard by regal plaza. I guess what pissed me off was the standard developer bull**** sound clip they got that they were saying "we built this twice to standard and we made the wall taller than it had to be....AND WE PLANTED TREES" WOO WOWWEE!!!! **** them. I don't give a **** if you build it 4 times to standard, if you commit noise and light pollution it isn't enough.
The property taxes LP paid made the tax breaks Regal Plaza recieved possible.
To all the neighbors in LP, you have my sympathies. Sue to make them build the buffer the planning commission never built for. If it takes a 30 ft wall so be it.
I guess I can no longer say this was a good concert...based on what I've seen of STP lately, I don't think they would have felt right about it either.
Channel 2 story (no video)
http://www.kjrh.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=2efb811a-5dbd-4a0b-af38-7da68ff9bb6b
I'm really surprised that they haven't had ongoing, before and after Decibel readings around the center. They had to know this was going to be controversial.
We had a concert at the nearby hillbilly bar last weekend and I heard, and felt, the music all day long. No big deal cause its only an occassional thing. But we are a solid two blocks from the bar, uphill and upwind from them. I'm guessing from previous experience with a Decibel meter that it would have been around 75db. It would have registered as less than the commercial lawn mowers and weed eaters which get up around 80+db but the sound of the music seems to travel farther, intermittently and with less intensity.
There's a law suit coming over this. In the past communities that have tried to arbitrarily limit sound exposures have paid a lot in legal fees in losing battles. The federal standards are based on timed exposure to industrial workplace levels and do not transfer well to public venues. Ordinances may not even be defensible without some study of topography, weather conditions and time period descriptions.
I guess I don't get as up in arms about the noise issue as others do. I live about 1/2 mile south of Skelly Stadium and 1/2 mile as the crow flies NW of the fairgrounds. I can hear the announcer at Skelly and the fans erupt on a big play, especially if the wind is out of the north. I can hear fair noise easily as well.
Skelly and the Fairgrounds were there long before I moved to the area (this is my second time to live on the same block, so I definitely knew what I was going back to). I should't biznitch if I don't like the traffic during events nor spill-over noise I knew that existed and moved there anyhow.
However, I most definitely have sympathy for someone who bought a house in a quiet area, then a noisy arena was built later with pathetic acoustic engineering. They need to do whatever they can to make this right with the surrounding neighborhoods, since this nuisance was added to the area.
Article in today's 10-28-08 Tulsa World on page A5: "Bixby Councilors Hear Noise Complaints"
As Waterboy said, there is a lawsuit coming over this issue, and I don't blame the surrounding residents one bit. Back in the day, the City made the Zingo rollercoaster shut down after 9:00 PM because of noise; there has to be some sort of similar compromise worked out for the Bixby events center, perhaps restricting late night music shows to Fri-Sat only. Whatever the compromise, the residents were there first.
Odds are Bixby will end up with a very expensive white elephant that can only be used for basketball games and graduation ceremonies.
Planning, planning, planning.
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by tulsascoot
My wife and I both thought the band sounded off, especially after they had the trouble with their instruments being out of tune.
People I work with did not get that, though. I guess I can be overly critical since I usually see 10-20 live show per year. (more like 50-60 if you include all the acts at Bonnaroo)
yes the instruments were out of tune slightly, and most people knew that since they had to stop before Sour Girl and figure things out. But at least they were trying to fix it as opposed to just pushing through because it was important to them. i think what you were hearing that was off though was the fact that Scott can't hit some of the highs and lows that he used to be able to. One person said the fact that he is sober makes up for that though, since now you can understand and sing along to the lyrics [:P]
It's hard to put a finger on what I mean by they were off. Like I said, I see lots of concerts, and STP was not playing as if they were all together, tight, almost as if they were one person. That's what good bands do and what STP had done the 2 times I'd seen them before ('93 and '96).
Maybe they need more time to get back into synch to really get the full vibe going.
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Originally posted by patric
Odds are Bixby will end up with a very expensive white elephant that can only be used for basketball games and graduation ceremonies.
Planning, planning, planning.
Some serious compromises will have to be made on both sides. It matters little that the homeowners were there first though. For instance, if a city starts to expand and one of its housing developments surrounds a pig farm, the farm is history eventually. Yet, as I pointed out earlier, I've read news accounts from Florida and Louisiana where cities were unable to force noisy jet skis, airboats, cigarette boats etc. to cease operations. They usually found some way of accomodating each other. News helicopters, dump trucks, motorcycles, lawn mowers, leaf blowers etc. all create unwanted, unneccesary noise but there are no hard and fast standards to address them. No one seems to want to tackle the problem either. Ordinances are usually based on non scientific criteria, selectively enforced and subject to influence by powerful interests. It leads to lawsuits.
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Originally posted by waterboy
I'm really surprised that they haven't had ongoing, before and after Decibel readings around the center. They had to know this was going to be controversial.
We had a concert at the nearby hillbilly bar last weekend and I heard, and felt, the music all day long. No big deal cause its only an occassional thing. But we are a solid two blocks from the bar, uphill and upwind from them. I'm guessing from previous experience with a Decibel meter that it would have been around 75db. It would have registered as less than the commercial lawn mowers and weed eaters which get up around 80+db but the sound of the music seems to travel farther, intermittently and with less intensity.
There's a law suit coming over this. In the past communities that have tried to arbitrarily limit sound exposures have paid a lot in legal fees in losing battles. The federal standards are based on timed exposure to industrial workplace levels and do not transfer well to public venues. Ordinances may not even be defensible without some study of topography, weather conditions and time period descriptions.
Lawsuit over Spirit Center or the Merc?
I suspect the surrounding neighborhoods will sue (or threaten to sue) the operators of the venue if no compromise is reached. If the city sides with the neighborhoods by enacting restrictive ordinances that preclude such concerts I could see the promoters/owners of the venue suing the city. And why not? If they are planning to bring in more such concerts, there's a lot of money at stake. The groundrules need to be fairly applied and in compliance with established guidelines (if any).
I measured a beer truck going over the 11th street bridge one time and it exceeded 89db at a half mile away! But it only did so for less than 10 seconds. Jake brakes on trucks travelling I244 are up there too. Heck, even locusts under a tree in August measure an 80. So if Bixby has no guidelines they better come up with some and be prepared to apply them equally and defend their basis.
I have no sympathy for someone that moves in near a known, existing nuisance.
I have no sympathy for developers who want to put a nuisance next to an existing community without other existing nuisances.
I don't know what to think about "mixed development".
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I have no sympathy for someone that moves in near a known, existing nuisance.
I have no sympathy for developers who want to put a nuisance next to an existing community without other existing nuisances.
I don't know what to think about "mixed development".
i think the developer needs to feel a little pain on this one. They used cheap materials on the back, and now it shows. If they would have bricked it all the way around it would not only look better but it would deaden some of the sound. I mean hell, even some EIFS on the back or something, that corrugated metal just screams cheap.
Since people are calling BOK center "The BOK", would a good colloquial for Spirit Bank Center be "The SPANK"?
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Since people are calling BOK center "The BOK", would a good colloquial for Spirit Bank Center be "The SPANK"?
i'm going to refer to it as the Tin Can until they fix their noise problems.