Congressional hopeful clarifies finances (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20081017_16_A13_hOlive866841%22)
The highlights:
Georgianna Oliver: She said her campaign incorrectly said the money for her personal loans came only from the firm.
WASHINGTON — Democratic congressional nominee Georgianna Oliver of Tulsa said Thursday that the money she personally loaned her 1st District campaign came from a number of sources.
Oliver said those included her salary as sole owner of EverGreen Solutions, cash in the form of distributions from that consulting firm, tax refunds and an individual retirement account.
She said her campaign incorrectly explained Wednesday that the money for her personal loans had come solely from the firm.
In offering that clarification, Oliver also revealed that she has made another loan to the campaign, bringing the total amount of nine transactions to $415,540.
She also addressed the sale of a second company, Apt Budget, of which she was president.
In August, when she filed her financial disclosure form with the U.S. House of Representatives, Oliver listed her position with Apt Budget but did not describe the firm as an asset or put a value on it.
One month later, she said, the software firm was sold to a Texas company for $400,000.
Oliver said she also owns investments in real estate that are not listed as assets on her financial disclosure form but allow her to take passive losses on her tax returns.
Her financial disclosure form listed as assets EverGreen, which she valued at between $1 million and $5 million, and three individual retirement accounts, valued at between $1,000 and $15,000 each.
House rules require the reporting of assets and liabilities with such broad ranges.
What's next? I wonder if we'll soon learn that she's claimed homestead exemptions on her property taxes for her home here and in D.C.? Oh wait, I forgot she hasn't lived here long enough to file for a homestead exemption yet.
Georgianna Oliver was born and raised here. She was born in west Tulsa, graduated from Sapulpa High school and got her degree from Oklahoma State University.
Sullivan has been in Washington for seven years. She lived in Washington DC for five years.
I can't believe you are attacking another democrat when you serve a position in the party. You just can't get over the fact that she is a woman.
You should resign your postion in the democrat party immediately. You are a disgrace.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Georgianna Oliver was born and raised here. She was born in west Tulsa, graduated from Sapulpa High school and got her degree from Oklahoma State University.
Sullivan has been in Washington for seven years. She lived in Washington DC for five years.
I can't believe you are attacking another democrat when you serve a position in the party. You just can't get over the fact that she is a woman.
You should resign your postion in the democrat party immediately. You are a disgrace.
What is the % probability that if Double A and Oliver were Republicans that you would be praising Double A for being open minded and not just a party hack?
What am I missing? I've read this from 16 different sources and still don't care.
On another note, Channel 6 ran a story comparing the Sullivan and Oliver TV ads and found Oliver's to be accurate, Sullivan to be innaccurate.
Also, Oliver's campaign pointed out that Sullivan has spent more time in DC than Oliver has.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Georgianna Oliver was born and raised here. She was born in west Tulsa, graduated from Sapulpa High school and got her degree from Oklahoma State University.
Sullivan has been in Washington for seven years. She lived in Washington DC for five years.
I can't believe you are attacking another democrat when you serve a position in the party. You just can't get over the fact that she is a woman.
You should resign your postion in the democrat party immediately. You are a disgrace.
pot, meet kettle.
Red arrow and inteller are probably not party officials. Doublea has the right to be open-minded about republicans and democrats.
But doublea goes to the democrat convention where the whole purpose is to elect democrats. He works works to get elected as a representative for the democratic party. He then spends time on public forums bashing democratic women running for office.
He has a right to write anything, but I think he should resign his partisan party position because of it.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Red arrow and inteller are probably not party officials. Doublea has the right to be open-minded about republicans and democrats.
But doublea goes to the democrat convention where the whole purpose is to elect democrats. He works works to get elected as a representative for the democratic party. He then spends time on public forums bashing democratic women running for office.
He has a right to write anything, but I think he should resign his partisan party position because of it.
I think you should resign your position as executive director for the public trust you serve on since you seem to have nothing better to do during the workday except surf the internet and post on message boards.
BTW, I seem to remember you defending Taylor the Tyrant for her contributions to G.W. Bush and Steve Largent. Kinda makes your little pissy pants protests here ring hollow.
I see no reason to resign for simple criticisms of "Democrats" with questionable ethics disclosures when elected party officials like Stuart Price and Mike Turpen go around donating to Republicans and holding fundraisers for them. I don't recall you ever calling for the resignation of these two Kathy Taylor cronies. Spin that double standard.
I also remember seeing you as a Delegate at the County Convention where you were elected from your precinct meeting as a representative of the Democratic party, yet I've seen you criticize Democratic candidates and Democratic elected officials on this board, why don't you hold yourself to these standards if you have such a problem with it?
BTW, the topic of this thread had to do with Georgetown Georgianna's misrepresentations and lack of disclosure, yet you violated forum rules by posting off topic in order to change the subject and engaged in personal attacks, something that recently got two other posters banned. Should the same rules apply to you, especially since you try to spin yourself as Mr. positivity?
Not that I care, really. I've got thick skin, and I don't really care what you call me, just as long you don't call collect. Just curious how you rationalize all these glaring double standards.
I'd love to hear your justification for Olivers lack of disclosure and violations of House rules if you ever decide you want to address the topic of this thread.
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Originally posted by Double A
I think you should resign your position as executive director for the public trust you serve on since you seem to have nothing better to do during the workday except surf the internet and post on message boards.
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and finally, another democratic endorsement from Colin Powell....
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thank GOD I wasn't drinking anything or my keyboard would be soaked.
Double A, FTW!
I have to say, Rm's blind defense for women democratic candidates.....well its just weird. If RM came to the defense of all women candidates like say Sarah Palin, that might grant some levity to the position...or maybe it would just make it weirder.
Hillary Clinton could do no wrong
Krazy Kathy could do no wrong
now Georgianna Oliver can do no wrong
If Obama sprouted a vagina I'm sure he could do no wrong.
There is a childhood background story here somewhere.
Gee, Inteller...You named three democrat women I have supported and decide you can make crude body part jokes?
You are such a class act.
I also support male candidates. I wrote a small check for Andrew Rice, posted positive comments about David Patrick, and now even have an Obama sign in my yard.
But your point is interesting...the three women you mention have something in common. They are all very smart and I see something in them that I thought was sincere. Maybe it is a weakness that I like women driven to public service.
No, on to doublea...
Yes, I attended the Tulsa County convention as the secretary for my precinct. I voted for issues and people I thought were good choices. You went a step further and ran to represent the democrats as a party officer. You went to the county convention to do more than just help organize your precinct, you went to get yourself elected to something.
Why did you run? Was it just so you would feel important? It clearly wasn't to help elect democrats. You are now a party officer to represent the first congressional district. You were elected to help democrats and yet you publicly bash them with almost every post. You start threads with demeaning names and then pass on lies about them in an effort to destroy their chances to win. All this was done by you to the democrat nominee for the first district congressional seat.
It makes you the biggest hypocrite of all.
I was wondering, and thought this might be a good place to ask, will there be any third party candidates on the ballot for the district 1 united states congressional seat?
Nope. Your Choice is old and corrupt or new and untried.
I have to look at what we lose if we elect Oliver over Sullivan.
Oklahoma loses it's seat on one of the most powerful committees in the House, the Energy & Commerce Committee.
We lose positions on the Health & Environment Subcommittee,
Hazzardous Materials Subcommittee, and the Environment & Air Quality Subcommittees, ending up with a junior Rep that will have to spend the next 4 to 8 years working her way back into some of those positions.
We also lose one of the biggest proponents of the FairTax system in the Senate. That is unacceptable to anyone with a Libertarian mindset.
Sullivan is not the best, but he has worked very hard, camping out on the senate floor during recess with other senators in an attempt to pass a rescue bill when Democrats opted to take a vacation. Of course what did the Dems have to lose? Bad economy in an election is good for them. Engineering.
Flying back and forth to Oklahoma constantly to meet with and listen to his constituency, his accessibility is probably his best strength. Several of the organizations I've been involved with have asked him to come speak or MC events and he immediately hops a plane and shows up.
I can't say that he is the strongest leader, or the most charismatic, but he certainly has gone above and beyond what I've seen from most senators.
Oliver moved back to Tulsa because she was encouraged by the Hillary Clinton campaign to vie for our House seat. Hillary recognized that she knows this constituency and could offer a good strategic advantage for the DNC. That's all I know about her.
One advantage to Oliver is that she still owns a very nice home in Washington D.C. I remember how hard it was when Sullivan got elected for him to find a place to live in D.C. For a while he had to share an apartment with several other junior reps, and complained about sleeping on the couch. At least we wouldn't have to hear about that again.
Edited= I called him a Senator.
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Originally posted by Gaspar
I have to look at what we lose if we elect Oliver over Sullivan.
Oklahoma loses it's seat on one of the most powerful committees in the Senate, the Energy & Commerce Committee.
We lose positions on the Health & Environment Subcommittee,
Hazzardous Materials Subcommittee, and the Environment & Air Quality Subcommittees, ending up with a junior Senator that will have to spend the next 4 to 8 years working her way back into some of those positions.
We also lose one of the biggest proponents of the FairTax system in the Senate. That is unacceptable to anyone with a Libertarian mindset.
Sullivan is not the best, but he has worked very hard, camping out on the senate floor during recess with other senators in an attempt to pass a rescue bill when Democrats opted to take a vacation. Of course what did the Dems have to lose? Bad economy in an election is good for them. Engineering.
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I can't say that he is the strongest leader, or the most charismatic, but he certainly has gone above and beyond what I've seen from most senators.
Ahem.
Sullivan is a U.S. representative, not a senator.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
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Originally posted by Gaspar
I have to look at what we lose if we elect Oliver over Sullivan.
Oklahoma loses it's seat on one of the most powerful committees in the Senate, the Energy & Commerce Committee.
We lose positions on the Health & Environment Subcommittee,
Hazzardous Materials Subcommittee, and the Environment & Air Quality Subcommittees, ending up with a junior Senator that will have to spend the next 4 to 8 years working her way back into some of those positions.
We also lose one of the biggest proponents of the FairTax system in the Senate. That is unacceptable to anyone with a Libertarian mindset.
Sullivan is not the best, but he has worked very hard, camping out on the senate floor during recess with other senators in an attempt to pass a rescue bill when Democrats opted to take a vacation. Of course what did the Dems have to lose? Bad economy in an election is good for them. Engineering.
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I can't say that he is the strongest leader, or the most charismatic, but he certainly has gone above and beyond what I've seen from most senators.
Ahem.
Sullivan is a U.S. representative, not a senator.
My bad. Edited.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Nope. Your Choice is old and corrupt or new and untried.
Sullivan had pretty much lost my vote.
Then, turns out, Georgianna sold Apt Budget for $400K, funneled the money through Evergreen, and now into her campaign- or so we think. Apt Budget was "worthless" a year ago according to a story I read over the weekend, she didn't list it as an asset in August, and now it's worth $400K to someone.
That's a Gene Stipe/Steve Phipps/Walt Roberts scheme if I've ever seen one.
I smell shenanigans. I'm not sure which is worse, the obtuse street thug incumbent or the carpet-bagging D.C. type who has studied at the Gene Stipe School of campaign finance.
Either way, I'm going to have to hold my nose when I cast this vote.
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Originally posted by Gaspar
I have to look at what we lose if we elect Oliver over Sullivan.
Oklahoma loses it's seat on one of the most powerful committees in the House, the Energy & Commerce Committee.
We lose positions on the Health & Environment Subcommittee,
Hazzardous Materials Subcommittee, and the Environment & Air Quality Subcommittees, ending up with a junior Rep that will have to spend the next 4 to 8 years working her way back into some of those positions.
We also lose one of the biggest proponents of the FairTax system in the Senate. That is unacceptable to anyone with a Libertarian mindset.
Hmmm...which would I rather have: someone who sits on powerful committees with whom I totally disagree, and think that he votes against my best interests? Or someone who does not sit on such important committees (yet) but who might better represent my interests?
Every time I have taken the time to write Sullivan to ask him to support environmental or basic conservative concepts like, well, energy conservation or conservation of natural resources, I just get a little form letter back reiterating his ironclad stance...basically I might as well be writing Dick Cheney for all the difference it has made. Never makes me feel like Sullivan has acted as my "representative."
Here's a fun way to look at Sullivan's record. Go to Project Vote Smart (//%22http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=24559%22). There, you can see how Sullivan's record stands up to "Interest Group Ratings." As long as you understand what the organizations and interest groups stand for, you can get a pretty good feel for how they feel about a candidate's record. This is a quick and dirty "broad brush" look at a candidate, but it's interesting...good for people who don't have time to examine every issue and every vote.
Oliver, Sullivan, Inhofe, Rice, I am sick of this year's campaigns. They all spend so much money on advertising what a a**hole their opponent is, and tell us little of their own views.
IMO, we need to have a national referrendum to set congressional salaries at the median salary of all U.S. workers. Eliminate fat congressional pensions, and make them retire with social security and savings, like the other 99.9% of us have to. Outlaw lobbbying and PACs, and cap campaign contributions to $500 from individual citizens only. Perhaps make a law degree disqualify one for public office as I have always felt that is the fox guarding the hen house, and then abolish term limits. Maybe then we would get some people in Washington that really cared about the future of this country, not their own twisted personal power and financial gain.
Of course, it ain't gonna happen, but one can wish.
Did someone mention Gene Stipe?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq4KVYewUoQ
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Here's Georgianna's latest spin, turns out some of her prior campaign "contributors" bought Apt Budget.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20081023_16_A9_hQuest657105
Exactly why would some Texas business people donate to a congressional campaign in Oklahoma? They also make mention of Ms. Oliver's 2007 salary from Evergreen Solutions being $423K. I'm curious if she made that much in '05 or '06.
This is a shame, I thought the Dems finally put up a worthy opponent, I guess I was wrong.
"Paging Mr. Stipe! Paging Mr. Stipe! Ms. Oliver is on line 2!"
EDIT: Whoops, sorry about that, but it is good news that GNR is finally releasing "Chinese Democracy".
Thanks for updating the link.
I believe it was discussed previously she did make that in previous years.
Her company was developing a software package, until it's created it's not much of an asset (in the case of Vista it's not worth much afterwards either) so I can follow her campaign's logic.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Thanks for updating the link.
I believe it was discussed previously she did make that in previous years.
Her company was developing a software package, until it's created it's not much of an asset (in the case of Vista it's not worth much afterwards either) so I can follow her campaign's logic.
Eh, how do you pick a number like $400K for the company? It's still an ethical issue in that these people had been donors to her campaign prior to buying the company. She left herself wide open to a severe probing on this.
It's the same glib arrogance just about every other politician exhibits. I don't think she deserves a pass on this. DNC needs to try harder in '10.