In Britain:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/2049487/Barack-Obama-wins-over-anti-Bush-Britain-US-election-2008.html
Asked about November's presidential election, British people overwhelmingly want the Democrats to capture the White House and end eight years of Republican rule in the US.
Some 49 per cent of UK respondents said that if they could vote in the contest, they would back Mr Obama, an Illinois senator who would be the first black president in US history.
By contrast, only 14 per cent said they would vote for Mr McCain, a veteran Arizona senator best known in the UK as a former Vietnam prisoner of war.
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In Europe (France, Germany, Italy, Russia):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/.../Barack-Obama-beats-John-McCain-in-European-vote-US-election-2008.html
John McCain, the presumed Republican nominee, received only 15 per cent of the vote in unprecedented survey covering Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Russia.
The poll also found a striking level of anti-American feeling in every country. A clear majority of Russians - 56 per cent - believe the US is a "force for evil" in the world. In Britain, only 33 per cent see America as a "force for good".
Opinion towards America has become steadily more hostile throughout the presidency of George W Bush, with the Iraq war probably being the single most important factor.
Mr Bush's unpopularity appears to have rubbed off on Republican presidential candidates in general. This might explain why Mr McCain, a strong supporter of the Iraq war, is the least popular potential president in all the countries surveyed.
Meanwhile, Mr Obama, the only consistent opponent of the Iraq war in the race for the presidency, commands a clear lead. He is especially popular in Italy, where a remarkable 70 per cent would vote for him if they could.
In France, historically the European country with the strongest anti-American sentiment, 65 per cent would back Mr Obama. In Germany, the Democratic Senator would get 67 per cent of the vote - while Mr McCain would receive a derisory six per cent.
Mr Obama appears to have made less of an impact in Britain than elsewhere in Europe. A relatively modest 49 per cent of Britons would vote for him, while 14 per cent would back Mr McCain - twice the totals favouring the Republican candidate in Germany or France.
Another 13 per cent of Britons would not vote for either man and 24 per cent "don't know".
The only country where Mr McCain can rival his opponent's popularity is in Russia, where anti-American feeling is strongest. The Republican appears to have made a striking impression on Russians, with 24 per cent saying they would vote for him if they could - a mere seven points behind Mr Obama.
Meanwhile, more Russians trust Mr McCain to "lead the global economy out of its current difficulties". His economic policy skills have the support of 36 per cent, compared with 28 per cent who back Mr Obama.
Historically, Russians have tended to favour Republican presidents and conservative leaders in the West in the general. Both Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher enjoyed considerable popularity in the former Soviet Union in the 1980s.
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Global Poll Finds Obama Preferred in All Countries But U.S.
A new global poll of 17 countries finds a huge preference for Barack Obama over John McCain in the presidential election in 16 of those countries. In the 17th country -- the U.S. -- McCain was edging out Obama.
FOXNews.com
Monday, October 06, 2008
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/06/pub-global-poll-finds-obama-preferred-countries/
I wonder if Europe is going to love Barack when Putin starts invading Eastern Bloc countries and Obama's only response is to take it before the UN?
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Originally posted by USRufnex
Global Poll Finds Obama Preferred in All Countries But U.S.
A new global poll of 17 countries finds a huge preference for Barack Obama over John McCain in the presidential election in 16 of those countries. In the 17th country -- the U.S. -- McCain was edging out Obama.
FOXNews.com
Monday, October 06, 2008
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/06/pub-global-poll-finds-obama-preferred-countries/
I can't think of a better reason NOT to vote for him than this poll. Good find.
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Originally posted by iplaw
quote:
Originally posted by USRufnex
Global Poll Finds Obama Preferred in All Countries But U.S.
A new global poll of 17 countries finds a huge preference for Barack Obama over John McCain in the presidential election in 16 of those countries. In the 17th country -- the U.S. -- McCain was edging out Obama.
FOXNews.com
Monday, October 06, 2008
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/06/pub-global-poll-finds-obama-preferred-countries/
I can't think of a better reason NOT to vote for him than this poll. Good find.
Good thing most free-thinking people don't get their 'facts' from Fox News.
That's a bit of an oxymoron, dontcha think?
[:D]
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Originally posted by iplaw
quote:
Originally posted by USRufnex
Global Poll Finds Obama Preferred in All Countries But U.S.
A new global poll of 17 countries finds a huge preference for Barack Obama over John McCain in the presidential election in 16 of those countries. In the 17th country -- the U.S. -- McCain was edging out Obama.
FOXNews.com
Monday, October 06, 2008
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/06/pub-global-poll-finds-obama-preferred-countries/
I can't think of a better reason NOT to vote for him than this poll. Good find.
Good........ You're doing just what FoxNews wants you to do..... next, go get a haircut at the Cherokee Barber Shop on 21st and Garnett so you can hobnob with the dittohead xenophobic hoi palloi... [:O]
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Originally posted by USRufnex
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Originally posted by iplaw
quote:
Originally posted by USRufnex
Global Poll Finds Obama Preferred in All Countries But U.S.
A new global poll of 17 countries finds a huge preference for Barack Obama over John McCain in the presidential election in 16 of those countries. In the 17th country -- the U.S. -- McCain was edging out Obama.
FOXNews.com
Monday, October 06, 2008
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/06/pub-global-poll-finds-obama-preferred-countries/
I can't think of a better reason NOT to vote for him than this poll. Good find.
Good........ You're doing just what FoxNews wants you to do..... next, go get a haircut at the Cherokee Barber Shop on 21st and Garnett so you can hobnob with the dittohead xenophobic hoi palloi... [:O]
A buddy of mine needed a haircut from over there (he's not a dittohead or republican or even conservative). I did indicate to him later that I thought I should go over there wearing an Obama t-shirt and he should give me odds on if I got out of there alive.
[:O]
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by USRufnex
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Originally posted by iplaw
quote:
Originally posted by USRufnex
Global Poll Finds Obama Preferred in All Countries But U.S.
A new global poll of 17 countries finds a huge preference for Barack Obama over John McCain in the presidential election in 16 of those countries. In the 17th country -- the U.S. -- McCain was edging out Obama.
FOXNews.com
Monday, October 06, 2008
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/06/pub-global-poll-finds-obama-preferred-countries/
I can't think of a better reason NOT to vote for him than this poll. Good find.
Good........ You're doing just what FoxNews wants you to do..... next, go get a haircut at the Cherokee Barber Shop on 21st and Garnett so you can hobnob with the dittohead xenophobic hoi palloi... [:O]
A buddy of mine needed a haircut from over there (he's not a dittohead or republican or even conservative). I did indicate to him later that I thought I should go over there wearing an Obama t-shirt and he should give me odds on if I got out of there alive.
[:O]
Good thing this is America, not Italy, France..... you can go somewhere else for your haircut.
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Originally posted by Red ArrowGood thing this is America, not Italy, France..... you can go somewhere else for your haircut.
RIGHT....Italy and France only have one salon.
Do you realize how silly that sounds?
There is a recent video on YouTube where Barack Obama told a community organization forum last December they would be part of his transition team, and would help shape his presidency. This includes ACORN.
There is also video where Barack Obama campaigned for socialist Bernie Sanders.
And a video where Louis Farrakhan told a packed crowed of Muslims Obama is the "messiah".
Adn what about the video made by Muslim Americans for Obama. Have you seen that one? Scary.
Are you aware that Mohammed Ali Khan, the national director of the American Muslim Council (AMC) located in Chicago, use to hold fund-raisers for Barack Obama as a state senator?
A quick background check on this council shows AMC's founder and long-time chief, Abdurahman Alamoudi, is serving serious prison time after being sentenced in 2003 for terror-supporting offenses. This council tries to present itself as "mainstream" to Americans as do all other Islamist groups. - yet it has a seriously worrisome history.
Or that Obama's new Muslim outreach director met in a "secret meeting" with leaders of a couple organizations in America that grew out of the Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas infrastructure in America. NBC News, of all news organizations, did an investigative report on this.
Are you aware Obama was, apparently, a member of the "New Party" a Marxist leaning organization, as shown in a 1996 New Party archived document.
Or that Kalid Mansour, a Black American Muslim activist, asked a civil rights leader to write a letter to Harvard Law school on behalf of Barack Obama. Mansour is a top advisor to a Saudi Prince.
Already one leader of an Islamic country, Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, has referred to Barack Obama as a Muslim. There is a video of this on YouTube.
Obama even campaigned for the 2nd Muslim elected to the U.S. Congress, Andre Carson this past April in a mid term election. He did a radio spot for him that is on the Internet for you to listen.
You know, Barack Obama likes to say voters are being bamboozled by his opponent but it's really the other way around, IMO
Is this the change Americans really want?
BTW, I tried to put in the links to these videos and stuff but had trouble with this feature.
If you are interested enough you can google these things and see for yourself. If you are too closed minded you will just make me out to be anti-Obama, which is correct but I base my decision on his actions not his appealing words.
The choice is yours.
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Originally posted by pmcalk
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Originally posted by Red ArrowGood thing this is America, not Italy, France..... you can go somewhere else for your haircut.
RIGHT....Italy and France only have one salon.
Do you realize how silly that sounds?
That didn't quite come out like I intended.
I don't want the US to become France, Italy, Spain etc west of the Atlantic. We tried being England west of the Atlantic for a while a long time ago. It just didn't work out.
If you don't like the politics at the Cherokee Barber Shop.. go somewhere else.
Less silly?
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Originally posted by Red Arrow
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Originally posted by pmcalk
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Originally posted by Red ArrowGood thing this is America, not Italy, France..... you can go somewhere else for your haircut.
RIGHT....Italy and France only have one salon.
Do you realize how silly that sounds?
That didn't quite come out like I intended.
I don't want the US to become France, Italy, Spain etc west of the Atlantic. We tried being England west of the Atlantic for a while a long time ago. It just didn't work out.
If you don't like the politics at the Cherokee Barber Shop.. go somewhere else.
Less silly?
What's the deal with the Cherokee Barber Shop? Are they one of those Nelson's Buffeteria type places where people use to yell out stuff like at McCain/Palin rallys? Hope they suffer the same fate.
Someone yells "off with his head!" at a barber shop, it might just happen!
Derailed: you are.
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Originally posted by Red Arrow
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Originally posted by pmcalk
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Originally posted by Red ArrowGood thing this is America, not Italy, France..... you can go somewhere else for your haircut.
RIGHT....Italy and France only have one salon.
Do you realize how silly that sounds?
That didn't quite come out like I intended.
I don't want the US to become France, Italy, Spain etc west of the Atlantic. We tried being England west of the Atlantic for a while a long time ago. It just didn't work out.
If you don't like the politics at the Cherokee Barber Shop.. go somewhere else.
Less silly?
A bit of a non-sequitor, but I guess not so silly.
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Originally posted by Derailed
There is a recent video on YouTube where Barack Obama told a community organization forum last December they would be part of his transition team, and would help shape his presidency. This includes ACORN.
There is also video where Barack Obama campaigned for socialist Bernie Sanders.
And a video where Louis Farrakhan told a packed crowed of Muslims Obama is the "messiah".
Adn what about the video made by Muslim Americans for Obama. Have you seen that one? Scary.
Are you aware that Mohammed Ali Khan, the national director of the American Muslim Council (AMC) located in Chicago, use to hold fund-raisers for Barack Obama as a state senator?
A quick background check on this council shows AMC's founder and long-time chief, Abdurahman Alamoudi, is serving serious prison time after being sentenced in 2003 for terror-supporting offenses. This council tries to present itself as "mainstream" to Americans as do all other Islamist groups. - yet it has a seriously worrisome history.
Or that Obama's new Muslim outreach director met in a "secret meeting" with leaders of a couple organizations in America that grew out of the Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas infrastructure in America. NBC News, of all news organizations, did an investigative report on this.
Are you aware Obama was, apparently, a member of the "New Party" a Marxist leaning organization, as shown in a 1996 New Party archived document.
Or that Kalid Mansour, a Black American Muslim activist, asked a civil rights leader to write a letter to Harvard Law school on behalf of Barack Obama. Mansour is a top advisor to a Saudi Prince.
Already one leader of an Islamic country, Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, has referred to Barack Obama as a Muslim. There is a video of this on YouTube.
Obama even campaigned for the 2nd Muslim elected to the U.S. Congress, Andre Carson this past April in a mid term election. He did a radio spot for him that is on the Internet for you to listen.
You know, Barack Obama likes to say voters are being bamboozled by his opponent but it's really the other way around, IMO
Is this the change Americans really want?
BTW, I tried to put in the links to these videos and stuff but had trouble with this feature.
If you are interested enough you can google these things and see for yourself. If you are too closed minded you will just make me out to be anti-Obama, which is correct but I base my decision on his actions not his appealing words.
The choice is yours.
Wow, if that's the case then how about the group that John McCain endorsed by attending who had a leader who openly praised a women for shooting a doctor who performed abortions?
How about the Keating Five?
McCain definitely isn't clean either.
The repubs crack me up. They didn't bring this out until 3 weeks to go and don't expect race baiting accusations?
It's the same old hate rhetoric and Rovian tactics we've become used to from Dubya. What does that say about McCain's direction for the country?
McSame.
Europe loves Obama because he is less militaristic that McCain, more socialist, less fundamentalist, a better orator and gives off the heir of youth, vibrancy, and change.
If elected, Obama will certainly be good for our world image. Which even hardcore Republicans have to admit has taken a huge hit. Popularity can go a long way.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Europe loves Obama because he is less militaristic that McCain, more socialist, less fundamentalist, a better orator and gives off the heir of youth, vibrancy, and change.
If elected, Obama will certainly be good for our world image. Which even hardcore Republicans have to admit has taken a huge hit. Popularity can go a long way.
Wouldn't matter to a lot of them, though. They've labored through 8 years of Bush and isolationalism. A lot could give a rat's donkey what the rest of world's view is of America. Sad, really.
The world would choose Obama because he's intelligent, progressive and he's not another McBush!
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Originally posted by HoneySuckle
The world would choose Obama because he's intelligent, progressive and he's not another McBush!
Which is why the rest of the country is choosing Obama. We're now running a close race for obscurity with Idaho for McCain support. Well, at least we live above ground here.
edit: Poll Update! OK mullets are now third in line for top obscurity status with a 26.7 pt lead. Idaho spuds slip to 2nd with a 27.2 pt lead. And the leader is...UTAH utes with a whopping 32 pt lead over Obama! Now, what do the three states have in common that would make them erupt in an orgy of support for 8 more years?
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Originally posted by waterboy
What's the deal with the Cherokee Barber Shop?
USRufnex brought up the barbershop. The conversation is usually fishing or sports whenever I've gotten my haircut there. The interior decorations would lead one to believe they are not liberals.
Actually, its something 5 states have in common. Some of these states are in contention in this election. Some have no choice.
Its the NAU and JBS. Lots of links but check this one. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JZS/is_/ai_n25154957
Although it is more difficult to get state resolutions introduced and passed in even-numbered years due to fewer states being in session and election-year shortened schedules, the state legislatures in Arizona, Idaho, Kansas, Missouri, New Hampshire, Ohio, and Utah have been considering anti-NAU, repeal NAFTA, and anti-illegal-immigration resolutions inspired by the John Birch Society this year. As has become usual in recent years, Utah leads the way with five such resolutions introduced and, so far, the impressive record of three bills passed (anti-NAU in House and Senate and anti-illegal immigration in the Senate), one defeated (repeal NAFTA in the House), and one bill pending (anti-illegal immigration in the House). There's no accident about Utah's successes. Members and allies of the JBS have worked long and hard to build rapport with their state legislators for several years now.
In late February both the Senate and House of South Dakota passed an anti-NAU, anti-NAFTA Superhighway resolution by votes of 24 to 9 and 56 to 13 respectively. With Utah and South Dakota joining Idaho, Montana, and Oklahoma, this means five states have now passed anti-NAU resolutions in both houses during the 2007-2008 time period. The total of states introducing anti-NAU resolutions has risen to 21 for these two years.
Hearings and/or votes on one or more of these NAU, NAFTA, and illegal-immigration resolutions are still scheduled in Arizona, Kansas, Missouri, and New Hampshire. To keep up to date on the status of these state resolutions, see the "Update on the Status of Anti-NAU, Repeal NAFTA, and Anti-Illegal Immigration Resolutions in State Legislatures, 2007/2008" at www.jbs.org /node/3430.
I always get NAFTA and NASCAR mixed up.
Whenever I drive real fast, I wind up at Wal-Mart.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Europe loves Obama because he is less militaristic that McCain, more socialist, less fundamentalist, a better orator and gives off the heir of youth, vibrancy, and change.
If elected, Obama will certainly be good for our world image. Which even hardcore Republicans have to admit has taken a huge hit. Popularity can go a long way.
While I don't necessarily disagree, our security and prosperity should never be sacrificed for popularity around the world.
But if being "popular" involves turning a blind eye to what's going on in Darfur as has been done in the UN for years, or allowing Muslim youth to riot here in the US as was done in France without reprisal, or letting Islamic radicals burn embassies and limit our freedom of speech because of a cartoon strip, or ignore Iran as they continue to build nuclear weapons, count me out...
We don't like playing the part of Nevile Chamberlain, and for good reason.
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Originally posted by Red Arrow
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Originally posted by waterboy
What's the deal with the Cherokee Barber Shop?
USRufnex brought up the barbershop. The conversation is usually fishing or sports whenever I've gotten my haircut there. The interior decorations would lead one to believe they are not liberals.
Understatement of the Year.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Europe loves Obama because he is less militaristic that McCain, more socialist, less fundamentalist, a better orator and gives off the heir of youth, vibrancy, and change.
If elected, Obama will certainly be good for our world image. Which even hardcore Republicans have to admit has taken a huge hit. Popularity can go a long way.
Until we tuck tail, and leave a loud sucking sound in the Middle East.
On Thursday we revealed the connection between Barack Obama and Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), and uncovered a 2004 article that discussed his involvement with the organization which had recently been removed from the web. Today, the cover-ups continue and language on Obama's fightthesmears.com website has been altered in order to make it look like he has been telling the truth about his ACORN associations all along.
Fortunately, we and many others online know how to do a screen capture and how to use a little something called Google Cache.
As of yesterday, Fightthesmears.com stated:
Fact: Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.
Sometime on Friday, the website was altered, and the text was changed to state:
Fact: ACORN never hired Obama as a trainer, organizer, or any type of employee.
The mere fact that his campaign has now changed the language of the site shows that they have conceded the fact that their original remark was a bold-face lie. As a lawyer Sen. Obama should know the importance of language.
The original statement implied that he had no working connection with ACORN, whereas the new statement now insists that he has never been employed or hired by ACORN.
Cleveland Leader (//%22http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7231%22)
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Originally posted by Derailed
On Thursday we revealed the connection between Barack Obama and Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), and uncovered a 2004 article that discussed his involvement with the organization which had recently been removed from the web. Today, the cover-ups continue and language on Obama's fightthesmears.com website has been altered in order to make it look like he has been telling the truth about his ACORN associations all along.
Fortunately, we and many others online know how to do a screen capture and how to use a little something called Google Cache.
As of yesterday, Fightthesmears.com stated:
Fact: Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.
Sometime on Friday, the website was altered, and the text was changed to state:
Fact: ACORN never hired Obama as a trainer, organizer, or any type of employee.
The mere fact that his campaign has now changed the language of the site shows that they have conceded the fact that their original remark was a bold-face lie. As a lawyer Sen. Obama should know the importance of language.
The original statement implied that he had no working connection with ACORN, whereas the new statement now insists that he has never been employed or hired by ACORN.
Cleveland Leader (//%22http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7231%22)
Let's ask McCain about this then, since you seem to be so obsessed with the candidates ties to ACORN.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/13/sigh-mccain-and-his-friends-atacorn/
uh-oh.
Wow. So, will the POWERFUL REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE MEDIA succeed in demonizing ACORN...
ACORN is the republicans new ACLU.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Europe loves Obama because he is less militaristic that McCain, more socialist, less fundamentalist, a better orator and gives off the heir of youth, vibrancy, and change.
If elected, Obama will certainly be good for our world image. Which even hardcore Republicans have to admit has taken a huge hit. Popularity can go a long way.
Until we tuck tail, and leave a loud sucking sound in the Middle East.
Oh, you mean like Nixon "tucked tail" in Vietnam???
Maybe you didn't get the memo: Obama said that the Iraq War was a "dumb war, a rash war" ...
http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php
"After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again. I don't oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.
What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.
What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income - to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics. Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.
But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars....and that we need to destroy Al Caida....
"I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and (Pakistani) President (Pervez) Musharraf will not act, we will."
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Originally posted by USRufnex
Wow. So, will the POWERFUL REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE MEDIA succeed in demonizing ACORN...
ACORN is the republicans new ACLU.
Demonizing ACORN? I think they're doing a bang-up job of discrediting themselves without our involvement.
Several of the investigations currently underway were started by democracts, namely the ones in Nevada.
What part of registering Mickey Mouse to vote do you agree with?
ACORN is just another in a long line of distractions. Republicans are trying to create hysteria, making people believe somehow that the election is compromised. But even in the worse light, the hysteria is unnecessary. ACORN claims that they turn in all applications for voter registration because it is not their role to challenge or subjectively decide which are legitimate applications. I have registered many people, including people at the fair. The volunteer simply takes the application and passes it on--it is not his or her responsibility to ensure its validity. That job is for the election board. Every election board has the ability to ensure that the voter information is accurate. I have complete faith that "mickey mouse" will never get a voter ID.
This happens every four years. Republicans scream that all the new registrants are frauds and the Democrats are corrupting the system. Democrats scream that the Republicans are suppressing the vote by challenging minorities, purging names from the system, etc.... Ultimately, very rarely has anyone ever shown any actual voter fraud.
But that doesn't stop people like IP and FOTD (or altruism) from screaming conspiracy.
That's okay PM, there's still Diebold to help the Repugs steal the election.
yep!..Im for anyone with the middle name Hussain,just like any other American would be!
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Originally posted by Conan71
That's okay PM, there's still Diebold to help the Repugs steal the election.
When I hear complaints about Diebold, I picture some sort of HAL computer telling voters "I'm sorry, I am afraid I can't do that" everytime they try to vote democratic.
Seriously, I think these political maneuverings that undermine the voting process are not healthy. Absent some clear evidence of actual voter fraud, it should be left alone.
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Originally posted by mdunn
yep!..Im for anyone with the middle name Hussain,just like any other American would be!
Yes, because as you learned quite early in life, names mean everything, sticks and stones will never hurt you. BTW, its Hussein.
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Originally posted by pmcalk
ACORN is just another in a long line of distractions. Republicans are trying to create hysteria, making people believe somehow that the election is compromised. But even in the worse light, the hysteria is unnecessary. ACORN claims that they turn in all applications for voter registration because it is not their role to challenge or subjectively decide which are legitimate applications. I have registered many people, including people at the fair. The volunteer simply takes the application and passes it on--it is not his or her responsibility to ensure its validity. That job is for the election board. Every election board has the ability to ensure that the voter information is accurate. I have complete faith that "mickey mouse" will never get a voter ID.
This happens every four years. Republicans scream that all the new registrants are frauds and the Democrats are corrupting the system. Democrats scream that the Republicans are suppressing the vote by challenging minorities, purging names from the system, etc.... Ultimately, very rarely has anyone ever shown any actual voter fraud.
But that doesn't stop people like IP and FOTD (or altruism) from screaming conspiracy.
When an Obama supporter says that an issue is a "distraction" you can rest assured that it should be pursued with vigor. The only issues that are labled as such are ones that scare the Obama campaign.
The simple fact is that ACORN, at the least, is a sloppy organization. We should let the investigations uncover what role ACORN has to play, whether it be complicit or simply complacent. Several of the investigations were begun by Democrats.
As for ACORN:
If there were an organization that trolled homeless shelters and underneath city bridges looking for the homeless, or registered felons, or children or cartoon characters to register them as Republicans you'd have a point.
If ACORN was registering fraudulent Republican voters as well I would agree that there was no nefarious intent either on behalf of ACORN or the idiots they hire. That is not the case.
Consistent, unwavering, monolithic behvaior by employees only comes with training or incentives.
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Originally posted by iplaw
quote:
Originally posted by pmcalk
ACORN is just another in a long line of distractions. Republicans are trying to create hysteria, making people believe somehow that the election is compromised. But even in the worse light, the hysteria is unnecessary. ACORN claims that they turn in all applications for voter registration because it is not their role to challenge or subjectively decide which are legitimate applications. I have registered many people, including people at the fair. The volunteer simply takes the application and passes it on--it is not his or her responsibility to ensure its validity. That job is for the election board. Every election board has the ability to ensure that the voter information is accurate. I have complete faith that "mickey mouse" will never get a voter ID.
This happens every four years. Republicans scream that all the new registrants are frauds and the Democrats are corrupting the system. Democrats scream that the Republicans are suppressing the vote by challenging minorities, purging names from the system, etc.... Ultimately, very rarely has anyone ever shown any actual voter fraud.
But that doesn't stop people like IP and FOTD (or altruism) from screaming conspiracy.
When an Obama supporter says that an issue is a "distraction" you can rest assured that it should be pursued with vigor. The only issues that are labled as such are ones that scare the Obama campaign.
The simple fact is that ACORN, at the least, is a sloppy organization. We should let the investigations uncover what role ACORN has to play, whether it be complicit or simply complacent. Several of the investigations were begun by Democrats.
As for ACORN:
If there were an organization that trolled homeless shelters and underneath city bridges looking for the homeless, or registered felons, or children or cartoon characters to register them as Republicans you'd have a point.
If ACORN was registering fraudulent Republican voters as well I would agree that there was no nefarious intent either on behalf of ACORN or the idiots they hire. That is not the case.
Consistent, unwavering, monolithic behvaior by employees only comes with training or incentives.
Scream till you are blue in the face about ACORN, it just doesn't matter. Just because Mickey Mouse registered doesn't mean that he will vote.
For each and every ambiguous association that you point to for Obama, there is an equal association for McCain, like his transition leader, who was a lobbyist for Saddam Hussein (talk about "paling" around with terrorists). But you don't hear Obama going off on all of that. Why? Because it isn't working. With all of the Ayers/Acorn attacks, McCain's negatives have increasingly risen, while more and more people see him as only attacking, not offering solutions as evidenced by recent CBS & ABC polls.
I read an interesting post on Politico about a republican pollster that interviewed some independent/reagan democrats after viewing an Obama attack ad. Here's what he said:
quote:
Reagan Dems and Independents. Call them blue-collar plus. Slightly more Target than Walmart.
Yes, the spot worked. Yes, they believed the charges against Obama. Yes, they actually think he's too liberal, consorts with bad people and WON'T BE A GOOD PRESIDENT...but they STILL don't give a f***. They said right out, "He won't do anything better than McCain" but they're STILL voting for Obama.
The two most unreal moments of my professional life of watching focus groups:
54 year-old white male, voted Kerry '04, Bush '00, Dole '96, hunter, NASCAR fan...hard for Obama said: "I'm gonna hate him the minute I vote for him. He's gonna be a bad president. But I won't ever vote for another god-damn Republican. I want the government to take over all of Wall Street and bankers and the car companies and Wal-Mart run this county like we used to when Reagan was President."
The next was a woman, late 50s, Democrat but strongly pro-life. Loved B. and H. Clinton, loved Bush in 2000. "Well, I don't know much about this terrorist group Barack used to be in with that Weather guy but I'm sick of paying for health insurance at work and that's why I'm supporting Barack."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/#
McCain would have had a shot if he picked a better VP--if he could show he was truly post-partisen & a "maverick". Choosing Palin showed that he has no interest in moving beyond the neo-cons, and instead is embracing them. It showed he puts the religious right first--not his country.