I seen in the Newspaper that Tulsa's mayor has been doing alot of jogging she runs on the RiverSide Trail now & then according to the article in the Tulsa World. Anyhow, does anyone know why it's taking them so long to build that new jogging trail? I thought it was all to be done by the end of summer. Section one from 15th street to 41st street was to be done by Spring and section two from 41st to 71st street was to be done by summer and then section three 71st street to 101st street by the fall. They seem to be working on a tennis court or something at one section of the trail. I wish they would just lay down the pavement so it can be opened up for runners. I think it would be just as well to make one wide trail instead of two seprate trails, it would be cheaper and faster to build. (The city of Omaha builds trails real fast). "T" Towne needs to get moving before winter sets in. I hope it will all be done by 2009.
That was never the timetable. They're basically on track, time-wise.
Everything North of 31st is open.
Yeah, I thought it was two years to get it done.
Other places get it done faster but they are having to redo a lot of drainage and they are also doing a very sturdy path that will last decades. As state before, they are on section 3 and sections 1 and 2 are already open. Likely the current section (31st to roughly 51st) will open when the new park does around January.
As nice as the improvements are... its worth the wait regardless.
They arent simply "laying down pavement" either, like they did before. There is now new landscaping, plantings and flowers, new trees, lighting, benches, stonework, new bridges, etc.
Plus who cares if it would be cheaper and faster? Kaiser is paying for most of it, not the city of Omaha, so let it go lol.
One wide trail hasn't necessarily improved pedestrian flow along the river.
Now, groups of walkers and joggers can fan out five or six wide, people can let their dogs out on a longer leash, and parents can ride abreast of their four kids on little bikes.
Take the time and do it right.
Still plenty of trails available for running. Just park at 71st Street and go south.
sauer doesn't live in Tulsa so he can't park at 71st and run. He just likes to lurk here and point out the flaws in our jogging trails and lack of Wal*Marts.
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sauer doesn't live in Tulsa so he can't park at 71st and run. He just likes to lurk here and point out the flaws in our jogging trails and lack of Wal*Marts.
You did
not just say that about Tulsa, right?
[:D]
I'm in Tulsa alot, and I have family in Dallas, I like to spend a day or two in Tulsa, (sometimes I'm in Tulsa for business). When I'm in "T" Towne I like to run the RiverSide Trails. I normally like to park at 101st street lot (across from the mighty QT store next to the Jenks Bridge) and I run north, but now I noticed the trail is closed at the I-44 freeway. That cuts down my mileage. I run the Creek-TurnPike trail to make up for the mileage difference. The reason why I questioned it is because other cities build trails much faster. Omaha replaced 7 miles of trail around Lake Zweniski in a few weeks. I figured the new trail in Tulsa would be all done and full of runners~ Anyhoo, Thanks for info gang, I thought the project was going to be a quick one. I hope the new trail will look great when done.
So 9-10 miles roundtrip isn't enoguh for you to run? How bout going west when you get to 71st and run turkey mountain... if 9-10 miles isn't enough turkey mountain will be a great run. Also, isn't the west side of the trails connected to turkey mountain now?
I also do not like that "Smart Car" running up & down the trails. Motor vehicles should not be on the trails at all. The weight of the car could also damage the pavement. The trails are designed for bikes and joggers and not 2,000 pound cars. The areas that need to be patroled the most are the parking lots....Another point what if the driver gets distracted for a second, or is answering a radio call, there is alot of kids darting around, pets, and things like that. They should not put anything bigger than a golf cart on the trails.[B)]
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I also do not that "Smart Car" running up & down the trails. Motor vehicles should not be on the trails at all. The weight of the car could also damage the pavement. The trails are designed for bikes and joggers and not 2,000 pound cars. The areas that need to be patroled are the parking lots.[xx(]
That was quick ,I wonder if they had already bought it before the council approved it just a few weeks ago?????
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So 9-10 miles roundtrip isn't enoguh for you to run? How bout going west when you get to 71st and run turkey mountain... if 9-10 miles isn't enough turkey mountain will be a great run. Also, isn't the west side of the trails connected to turkey mountain now?
Yep, west side is done from the crap plant to Turkey Mountain.
Sauer, next time you are in town, drive up to the Turkey Mountain parking lot and go running in any direction from there, you will get some challenging hills coming back to your car.
Oh, and make sure you back into your parking spot, sit and listen to the radio for 15 minutes or so before you go run. I hear it's a great way for out of towners to make new friends in Tulsa.
They had a race at Turkey mountain a couple of years back. The name was perfect, Escape from Turkey Mountain [:P]
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One wide trail hasn't necessarily improved pedestrian flow along the river.
Now, groups of walkers and joggers can fan out five or six wide, people can let their dogs out on a longer leash, and parents can ride abreast of their four kids on little bikes.
The path will eventually be marked, designating a lane for wheels and a lane for feet...but you are right, No one knows where to walk/ride right now.
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Originally posted by unknown
So 9-10 miles roundtrip isn't enoguh for you to run? How bout going west when you get to 71st and run turkey mountain... if 9-10 miles isn't enough turkey mountain will be a great run. Also, isn't the west side of the trails connected to turkey mountain now?
Yep, west side is done from the crap plant to Turkey Mountain.
Sauer, next time you are in town, drive up to the Turkey Mountain parking lot and go running in any direction from there, you will get some challenging hills coming back to your car.
Oh, and make sure you back into your parking spot, sit and listen to the radio for 15 minutes or so before you go run. I hear it's a great way for out of towners to make new friends in Tulsa.
Yep, I have been there looking to catch the west bank trail, it's all dirt & sand and alot of horse riders are around there and the trail is a dead end, There is no west bank trail there. I ran across that Jenks bridge from the east side and up the long slope into Turkey Mountain for nothing- but the run back across the river was fast & easy it was all downhill. I don't really like running on hills I like flat level pavement. I like to do my speed runs and timed runs over a known distance 4, or 5 miles down & back and if I have to figure out extra distance because a section on trail is closed it throws me off, I'm sure the cyclists don't like it either. I wish they would just rebuild that new trail first and open it up and then they can take their time and diddle around with the other stuff like tennis courts, pools, ponds, trees or whatever they plan to do.
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One wide trail hasn't necessarily improved pedestrian flow along the river.
Now, groups of walkers and joggers can fan out five or six wide, people can let their dogs out on a longer leash, and parents can ride abreast of their four kids on little bikes.
The path will eventually be marked, designating a lane for wheels and a lane for feet...but you are right, No one knows where to walk/ride right now.
The "New" section seems to be poorly designed IMO from what I seen, the trail splits into two trails then back into one wide trail then back into two and then back into a wide trail. Why not just build one wide trail and paint a yellow line down the center and be done with it? I'd also would like to see the Riverside trail extended farther south a few more miles and another good idea would be to build one wide flat trail all the way down the west bank of the river. They could use that trail section to run races such as a 5K, 10K, 15K and Half Marathon, Perhaps they can even run a few marathon races there if they don't have alot of runners. Tulsa can do alot with the river if they work at it. (The Mingo Trail can be made longer too). The west bank of the Arkansas could be a golden optunity to build a great trail and run it all they way down to 101st and beyond. [8D]
Sauerkraut is, of course, completely wrong. The trail is complete on the west bank from 71st all the way to 11th Street and has been since they started work on the 31st Street to 51st Street stretch of the east bank trail. No dirt and sand. There's even room for the Smart Car and my bike on the trail at the same time as I found out Wednesday night.
The climb from the river to the Turkey Mountain parking lot is invigorating.
The main aggravation at the moment is the construction at the Creek casino. They have the trail torn up in order to create a new entrance to the south parking lot for the new building, and the pavement has been removed from a section next to the existing main entrance. For my road bike with its skinny tires it requires some finesse.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by unknown
So 9-10 miles roundtrip isn't enoguh for you to run? How bout going west when you get to 71st and run turkey mountain... if 9-10 miles isn't enough turkey mountain will be a great run. Also, isn't the west side of the trails connected to turkey mountain now?
Yep, west side is done from the crap plant to Turkey Mountain.
Sauer, next time you are in town, drive up to the Turkey Mountain parking lot and go running in any direction from there, you will get some challenging hills coming back to your car.
Oh, and make sure you back into your parking spot, sit and listen to the radio for 15 minutes or so before you go run. I hear it's a great way for out of towners to make new friends in Tulsa.
Yep, I have been there looking to catch the west bank trail, it's all dirt & sand and alot of horse riders are around there and the trail is a dead end, There is no west bank trail there. I ran across that Jenks bridge from the east side and up the long slope into Turkey Mountain for nothing- but the run back across the river was fast & easy it was all downhill. I don't really like running on hills I like flat level pavement. I like to do my speed runs and timed runs over a known distance 4, or 5 miles down & back and if I have to figure out extra distance because a section on trail is closed it throws me off, I'm sure the cyclists don't like it either. I wish they would just rebuild that new trail first and open it up and then they can take their time and diddle around with the other stuff like tennis courts, pools, ponds, trees or whatever they plan to do.
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Originally posted by carltonplace
sauer doesn't live in Tulsa so he can't park at 71st and run. He just likes to lurk here and point out the flaws in our jogging trails and lack of Wal*Marts.
You did not just say that about Tulsa, right?
in a perfect sauer world there would be a Wmart on every corner.
[:D]
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Sauerkraut is, of course, completely wrong. The trail is complete on the west bank from 71st all the way to 11th Street and has been since they started work on the 31st Street to 51st Street stretch of the east bank trail. No dirt and sand. There's even room for the Smart Car and my bike on the trail at the same time as I found out Wednesday night.
The climb from the river to the Turkey Mountain parking lot is invigorating.
The main aggravation at the moment is the construction at the Creek casino. They have the trail torn up in order to create a new entrance to the south parking lot for the new building, and the pavement has been removed from a section next to the existing main entrance. For my road bike with its skinny tires it requires some finesse.
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Originally posted by unknown
So 9-10 miles roundtrip isn't enoguh for you to run? How bout going west when you get to 71st and run turkey mountain... if 9-10 miles isn't enough turkey mountain will be a great run. Also, isn't the west side of the trails connected to turkey mountain now?
Yep, west side is done from the crap plant to Turkey Mountain.
Sauer, next time you are in town, drive up to the Turkey Mountain parking lot and go running in any direction from there, you will get some challenging hills coming back to your car.
Oh, and make sure you back into your parking spot, sit and listen to the radio for 15 minutes or so before you go run. I hear it's a great way for out of towners to make new friends in Tulsa.
Yep, I have been there looking to catch the west bank trail, it's all dirt & sand and alot of horse riders are around there and the trail is a dead end, There is no west bank trail there. I ran across that Jenks bridge from the east side and up the long slope into Turkey Mountain for nothing- but the run back across the river was fast & easy it was all downhill. I don't really like running on hills I like flat level pavement. I like to do my speed runs and timed runs over a known distance 4, or 5 miles down & back and if I have to figure out extra distance because a section on trail is closed it throws me off, I'm sure the cyclists don't like it either. I wish they would just rebuild that new trail first and open it up and then they can take their time and diddle around with the other stuff like tennis courts, pools, ponds, trees or whatever they plan to do.
Cyn, thanks for the head's up on on the trail tear out at CCN, I ride a road bike as well but have not ventured south of 71st for some time. I was thinking about riding from the boathouse at Riverwest Festival Park out to NSU and back Saturday. How long of a stretch do you need to divert onto Riverside near the casino? Only thing I don't like about that is all the people flying along at 55 to 65 through the "s" turns between 81st & 91st.
OK- I did not know the trail was finished down to 71st street on the west bank. I was told by someone once on this forum that I needed to cross the river at 21st to catch the west bank trail, I need to do that the next time I'm in "T" Town. The west bank trail can be seen from the I-44 bridge, and it does look nice-
I was farther south and didn't see any trail at the point I crossed the river. Tulsa should run that trail down to 101st and connect it into the Jenks Trail. That would also make one big loop trail. Tulsa can do alot with that river, When I was in Tulsa 3 weeks ago I was working on my speed training, getting ready to enter another race. I pulled 2nd place in a 5K on July 6th in Hilliard, Ohio. I need to improve my time. I did the 5K in 25:30 not too bad but I feel I could of done better.
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Sauerkraut is, of course, completely wrong. The trail is complete on the west bank from 71st all the way to 11th Street and has been since they started work on the 31st Street to 51st Street stretch of the east bank trail. No dirt and sand. There's even room for the Smart Car and my bike on the trail at the same time as I found out Wednesday night.
The climb from the river to the Turkey Mountain parking lot is invigorating.
The main aggravation at the moment is the construction at the Creek casino. They have the trail torn up in order to create a new entrance to the south parking lot for the new building, and the pavement has been removed from a section next to the existing main entrance. For my road bike with its skinny tires it requires some finesse.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by unknown
So 9-10 miles roundtrip isn't enoguh for you to run? How bout going west when you get to 71st and run turkey mountain... if 9-10 miles isn't enough turkey mountain will be a great run. Also, isn't the west side of the trails connected to turkey mountain now?
Yep, west side is done from the crap plant to Turkey Mountain.
Sauer, next time you are in town, drive up to the Turkey Mountain parking lot and go running in any direction from there, you will get some challenging hills coming back to your car.
Oh, and make sure you back into your parking spot, sit and listen to the radio for 15 minutes or so before you go run. I hear it's a great way for out of towners to make new friends in Tulsa.
Yep, I have been there looking to catch the west bank trail, it's all dirt & sand and alot of horse riders are around there and the trail is a dead end, There is no west bank trail there. I ran across that Jenks bridge from the east side and up the long slope into Turkey Mountain for nothing- but the run back across the river was fast & easy it was all downhill. I don't really like running on hills I like flat level pavement. I like to do my speed runs and timed runs over a known distance 4, or 5 miles down & back and if I have to figure out extra distance because a section on trail is closed it throws me off, I'm sure the cyclists don't like it either. I wish they would just rebuild that new trail first and open it up and then they can take their time and diddle around with the other stuff like tennis courts, pools, ponds, trees or whatever they plan to do.
Cyn, thanks for the head's up on on the trail tear out at CCN, I ride a road bike as well but have not ventured south of 71st for some time. I was thinking about riding from the boathouse at Riverwest Festival Park out to NSU and back Saturday. How long of a stretch do you need to divert onto Riverside near the casino? Only thing I don't like about that is all the people flying along at 55 to 65 through the "s" turns between 81st & 91st.
Your right- It's a mess, I did not measure it, but I believe it's a little over a half mile of broken up trail... Trail work is always a pain. I never did like the Casino driveway crossing over the trail. I'm not a cyclist so I don't know how they feel, but when I'm running the last thing I want to do is stop or wait for car traffic to clear or pass. I do alot of timed runs and any stopping messes up my time. Many runners have been going to the Creek TurnPike Trail, Sunday mornings it is full of joggers.
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Cyn, thanks for the head's up on on the trail tear out at CCN, I ride a road bike as well but have not ventured south of 71st for some time. I was thinking about riding from the boathouse at Riverwest Festival Park out to NSU and back Saturday. How long of a stretch do you need to divert onto Riverside near the casino? Only thing I don't like about that is all the people flying along at 55 to 65 through the "s" turns between 81st & 91st.
The construction at the casino is mainly happening around the contractors' entrance at the south end of the property. They have the trail closed a couple of dozen yards on either side of that entrance.
At first, they blocked off the outer southbound lane of Riverside with orange barrels to allow bikes and runners to use that lane. I guess it caused a problem, because they now have only blocked the shoulder. I managed to snake through there yesterday, but there's not enough room for two bikes between the sign bases and the cut out pavement. If you need to get through you can, but you have to get over a curb on the north end of the construction -- on the south end the curb doesn't exist so you can access the trail from the shoulder and vice-versa without having to stop unless you care about goathead thorns. Kevlar belted tires are a help.
Going back southbound I got on the shoulder at the existing north entrance to the casino parking lot (north of the smoke shop) and stayed there until I got past the construction. I had to play in the traffic at the 81st Street intersection, but that was about it. I don't ride against traffic so I stayed out of the shoulder going south. You do see riders on Riverside from time to time, but as you say, the drivers are going fast and aren't always attentive to two-wheeled vehicles. With cell phones being used for texting, they're not always attentive to four wheeled vehicles, traffic lights, city buses, etc.
The only other way is to carry the bike across a couple of canyons left by the construction. I don't recommend it, though I saw some cyclists doing that. It's a good three or four foot dropoff.
Sheesh, I may just ride to Turkey Mountain, then down Elwood & around the airport to the Jenks bridge and back to the trail to complete the mission of riding out to NSU and back. Of course, I've seen people barrel down Elwood between 71st & 81st as well.
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I was farther south and didn't see any trail at the point I crossed the river. Tulsa should run that trail down to 101st and connect it into the Jenks Trail. That would also make one big loop trail. Tulsa can do alot with that river, When I was in Tulsa 3 weeks ago I was working on my speed training, getting ready to enter another race. I pulled 2nd place in a 5K on July 6th in Hilliard, Ohio. I need to improve my time. I did the 5K in 25:30 not too bad but I feel I could of done better.
I might be wrong...but I think there are plans for a multi-use trail that would run from Turkey Mtn. south...hooking up with the existing Aquarium Trail. Nothing funded that I'm aware of at this time.
If you want something different...run the Katy Trail. You can access it from the north end Riverside trail. Just keep going north across Southwest Blvd. The trail eventually turns west and heads out to Sand Springs. There's a long stretch of shade...which makes it good for warm weather runs.
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I was farther south and didn't see any trail at the point I crossed the river. Tulsa should run that trail down to 101st and connect it into the Jenks Trail. That would also make one big loop trail. Tulsa can do alot with that river, When I was in Tulsa 3 weeks ago I was working on my speed training, getting ready to enter another race. I pulled 2nd place in a 5K on July 6th in Hilliard, Ohio. I need to improve my time. I did the 5K in 25:30 not too bad but I feel I could of done better.
I might be wrong...but I think there are plans for a multi-use trail that would run from Turkey Mtn. south...hooking up with the existing Aquarium Trail. Nothing funded that I'm aware of at this time.
If you want something different...run the Katy Trail. You can access it from the north end Riverside trail. Just keep going north across Southwest Blvd. The trail eventually turns west and heads out to Sand Springs. There's a long stretch of shade...which makes it good for warm weather runs.
OK- Thanks that sounds great, I never ran that trail. It sounds like a great place to run.. I have been just running on the RiverSide Trail and Creek Turn-Pike Trail, I never even ran on the Mingo Trail- I hope there are no street crossings on the Katy Trail, during a timed run the last thing I want to do is cross a street and/or wait for traffic to clear.[:)]
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OK- Thanks that sounds great, I never ran that trail. It sounds like a great place to run.. I have been just running on the RiverSide Trail and Creek Turn-Pike Trail, I never even ran on the Mingo Trail- I hope there are no street crossings on the Katy Trail, during a timed run the last thing I want to do is cross a street and/or wait for traffic to clear.[:)]
There's maybe 2 or 3 street crossings...but very low traffic. After cross SW Blvd...you'll go across a bridge that spans the railroad tracks (nice industrial view)...then you'll hit a short...but significant uphill. After that...it's fairly flat.
All depends on how far you go out the KATY. There are approximately six or seven including Chas. Page near Newblock park if you run all the way to highway 97 in Sand Springs.
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All depends on how far you go out the KATY. There are approximately six or seven including Chas. Page near Newblock park if you run all the way to highway 97 in Sand Springs.
Yeah...I should have qualified that. I've only run the entire out and back of the Katy once...when marathon training. I usually only go 3-5 miles west on the Katy...then turn back.
Busy street crossings don't bother me...just pay attention.
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All depends on how far you go out the KATY. There are approximately six or seven including Chas. Page near Newblock park if you run all the way to highway 97 in Sand Springs.
Yeah...I should have qualified that. I've only run the entire out and back of the Katy once...when marathon training. I usually only go 3-5 miles west on the Katy...then turn back.
Busy street crossings don't bother me...just pay attention.
You may also be confusing folks by referring to crossing SW Boulevard. Its actually 11th street at that point. It becomes SW when it crosses the river and turns southward.
I love that stretch if it weren't for the south winds carrying the refinery smells. Very small town feel to it.
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All depends on how far you go out the KATY. There are approximately six or seven including Chas. Page near Newblock park if you run all the way to highway 97 in Sand Springs.
Yeah...I should have qualified that. I've only run the entire out and back of the Katy once...when marathon training. I usually only go 3-5 miles west on the Katy...then turn back.
Busy street crossings don't bother me...just pay attention.
You may also be confusing folks by referring to crossing SW Boulevard. Its actually 11th street at that point. It becomes SW when it crosses the river and turns southward.
I love that stretch if it weren't for the south winds carrying the refinery smells. Very small town feel to it.
Huh. I was just using Google Earth to look at it. Over SW Blvd...then under 244 and the Red Fork...then a hard turn right to the rail road bridge.
Maybe it's mislabeled on Google Earth?
Regardless...nice...usually quiet...stretch of trail.
It's a nice ride out the KATY to Hwy 97, then over the river and back in on Avery Drive through the refinery and back to 17th St. You have to dodge a LOT of roadkill though on the turns west of the Chandler Park entrance...Ghack!
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they're not always attentive to four wheeled vehicles, traffic lights, city buses, etc.
Last time I was biking in that section..in the shoulder no less..I found the drivers quite attentive. To the point of kindly advising me at high volume to please "get the f*** out of the road."
I guess they wanted to make sure I could hear them as they sped past.
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they're not always attentive to four wheeled vehicles, traffic lights, city buses, etc.
Last time I was biking in that section..in the shoulder no less..I found the drivers quite attentive. To the point of kindly advising me at high volume to please "get the f*** out of the road."
I guess they wanted to make sure I could hear them as they sped past.
Runners have the same problems- I never run on streets anymore I stick to the trails, it's nicer and safer. I did run on streets a long time ago when I did not feel like driving all the way to the jogging trails and I had beer cans thrown at me and all sorts of other stuff was thrown at my way, so I quit running on streets and run only on trails,- I'm not into cycling so I can't speak for them, but I believe bikes have the same legal right to the streets & roads as do cars, Runners do not.. I have not rode my bike in over 10 years it's been in storage. I'm hooked on running, the good thing about running is runners don't get flat tires. [:)]
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One wide trail hasn't necessarily improved pedestrian flow along the river.
Now, groups of walkers and joggers can fan out five or six wide, people can let their dogs out on a longer leash, and parents can ride abreast of their four kids on little bikes.
The path will eventually be marked, designating a lane for wheels and a lane for feet...but you are right, No one knows where to walk/ride right now.
The "New" section seems to be poorly designed IMO from what I seen, the trail splits into two trails then back into one wide trail then back into two and then back into a wide trail. Why not just build one wide trail and paint a yellow line down the center and be done with it?
I ran part of the new trail section today from the Pedestrian bridge north to SW Blvd and it's marked and painted now. Trail section closest to the river is designated for runners...trail section closer to Riverside Dr. is for cyclists (and it has a center median).
Nice touch of adding the dog water bowls to the bottom of the water fountains.
Sad to see the Rivers Edge closed down. [:(]
Really, Charky, its called the 11th street bridge because it connects to 11th street. If Google calls it SW Boulevard its because they don't live here. It doesn't become SW Boulevard till it hits the west side of the bridge.
The same confusion exists on the 21st street bridge which connects with 23rd street on the west side of the river.
Its not an accident that they are marked like this. The river curves slightly and both of those streets are not due east/west orientation.
The jogging trails in Indianapolis have dog water bowls at bottom of the drinking fountains, at least the Monon trail does- I don't know about the other jogging trails in the area... I think dogs should stay in the dog parks, but that's just me. Too many careless dog owners and poop is left all over. Indy has a nice jogging trail system http://www.indygreenways.org/monon/monon.htm
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I think dogs should stay in the dog parks, but that's just me. Too many careless dog owners and poop is left all over.
Aside from the thankfully rare few who let their dog roam all over (on long leashes, as if that makes everything better) and harass other trail users, my only problem with dogs are the owners who leave their doggy's little presents lying on the trail (or in the grass nearby).
Every time I've been on the bridge to Jenks, there has been poop everywhere, except once.
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Really, Charky, its called the 11th street bridge because it connects to 11th street. If Google calls it SW Boulevard its because they don't live here. It doesn't become SW Boulevard till it hits the west side of the bridge.
The same confusion exists on the 21st street bridge which connects with 23rd street on the west side of the river.
Its not an accident that they are marked like this. The river curves slightly and both of those streets are not due east/west orientation.
That's cool and I believe you. But the street sign does read SW Blvd. where you cross to pick up the trail.
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Really, Charky, its called the 11th street bridge because it connects to 11th street. If Google calls it SW Boulevard its because they don't live here. It doesn't become SW Boulevard till it hits the west side of the bridge.
The same confusion exists on the 21st street bridge which connects with 23rd street on the west side of the river.
Its not an accident that they are marked like this. The river curves slightly and both of those streets are not due east/west orientation.
That's cool and I believe you. But the street sign does read SW Blvd. where you cross to pick up the trail.
If you drive downtown from the on 244/75 from the west and get off on the 7th Street exit, the first intersection you reach after the curve shows Heavytrafficway to the left, 7th Street straight ahead, and Southwest Blvd to the right. So the bridge that we geezers call the 11th Street bridge is really Southwest Blvd. Yes, I always called it the 11th Street bridge, but Southwest Blvd is the street that crosses the river on that bridge.
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Cyn, thanks for the head's up on on the trail tear out at CCN, I ride a road bike as well but have not ventured south of 71st for some time. I was thinking about riding from the boathouse at Riverwest Festival Park out to NSU and back Saturday. How long of a stretch do you need to divert onto Riverside near the casino? Only thing I don't like about that is all the people flying along at 55 to 65 through the "s" turns between 81st & 91st.
The construction at the casino is mainly happening around the contractors' entrance at the south end of the property. They have the trail closed a couple of dozen yards on either side of that entrance.
At first, they blocked off the outer southbound lane of Riverside with orange barrels to allow bikes and runners to use that lane. I guess it caused a problem, because they now have only blocked the shoulder. I managed to snake through there yesterday, but there's not enough room for two bikes between the sign bases and the cut out pavement. If you need to get through you can, but you have to get over a curb on the north end of the construction -- on the south end the curb doesn't exist so you can access the trail from the shoulder and vice-versa without having to stop unless you care about goathead thorns. Kevlar belted tires are a help.
Going back southbound I got on the shoulder at the existing north entrance to the casino parking lot (north of the smoke shop) and stayed there until I got past the construction. I had to play in the traffic at the 81st Street intersection, but that was about it. I don't ride against traffic so I stayed out of the shoulder going south. You do see riders on Riverside from time to time, but as you say, the drivers are going fast and aren't always attentive to two-wheeled vehicles. With cell phones being used for texting, they're not always attentive to four wheeled vehicles, traffic lights, city buses, etc.
The only other way is to carry the bike across a couple of canyons left by the construction. I don't recommend it, though I saw some cyclists doing that. It's a good three or four foot dropoff.
I made the NSU route today. Nice, long ride. There was another bicyclist at the entrance to the casino at 81st, he suggested I could ride through the parking lot. The "snow fences" were down at the construction entrance and people were going around the construction signs. Worked like a charm, kept me out of traffic. I suppose if one did it completely non-stop, it's about a four hour round trip. I stopped a few times along the way each way.
There are a few street crossings on the Katy trail. They are well marked, but if youre cycling they will slow you down. Its a great trail to run for marathon training. If you start at 41st and riverside and go to the end of the Katy its almost 10 miles. Flat and fast and most of it is protected from the wind.
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Really, Charky, its called the 11th street bridge because it connects to 11th street. If Google calls it SW Boulevard its because they don't live here. It doesn't become SW Boulevard till it hits the west side of the bridge.
The same confusion exists on the 21st street bridge which connects with 23rd street on the west side of the river.
Its not an accident that they are marked like this. The river curves slightly and both of those streets are not due east/west orientation.
That's cool and I believe you. But the street sign does read SW Blvd. where you cross to pick up the trail.
If you drive downtown from the on 244/75 from the west and get off on the 7th Street exit, the first intersection you reach after the curve shows Heavytrafficway to the left, 7th Street straight ahead, and Southwest Blvd to the right. So the bridge that we geezers call the 11th Street bridge is really Southwest Blvd. Yes, I always called it the 11th Street bridge, but Southwest Blvd is the street that crosses the river on that bridge.
When you take that exit, I think they mean it directs you towards SW Boulevard. If the signs say SW Boulevard on the bridge...they need to change it straightaway. I'm in no mood for more change in my street life.[:P] No one calls it the SW Boulevard bridge anyway.
I guess it wouldn't hurt to have dual bridge names, huh? Avery bridge would be a better name.
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There are a few street crossings on the Katy trail. They are well marked, but if youre cycling they will slow you down. Its a great trail to run for marathon training. If you start at 41st and riverside and go to the end of the Katy its almost 10 miles. Flat and fast and most of it is protected from the wind.
Now that we've been talking about it...I've run it a couple of times over the past week. That first mile (from the Riverside/11th St. Bridge intersection) has several hills...but otherwise...it's a generally flat run. You run by an old police car graveyard as well.
That Katy trail does sound real good, I need to check it out, I never been there. I'm just a runner, I don't do any cycling. Street crossings are always the pitts I don't like to stop for vehicle traffic it cuts into my time & throws off my pace. When I ran in the 5K race on the Heritage Trail in Hilliard, Ohio the trail has a few street crossings but cops were stopping the traffic so runners in the race could run without stopping. Back when I lived in Texas and ran the Fort Worth Trinity Trail in the early 1980's I ran 5 miles down and 5 miles back and then I rode my 10 speed bike a few miles to cool off, but I got away from cycling it got to be too much hassle hauling the bike along everytime I went running. I have not rode my bike in over 10 years it sits in storage.[B)]
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Originally posted by Enid
There are a few street crossings on the Katy trail. They are well marked, but if youre cycling they will slow you down. Its a great trail to run for marathon training. If you start at 41st and riverside and go to the end of the Katy its almost 10 miles. Flat and fast and most of it is protected from the wind.
Now that we've been talking about it...I've run it a couple of times over the past week. That first mile (from the Riverside/11th St. Bridge intersection) has several hills...but otherwise...it's a generally flat run. You run by an old police car graveyard as well.
I like to hear that the Katy Trail is flat. I'm pretty old fashioned when I run, and I like it flat. I know some hills are needed for good workouts but I don't like them. I just like to run on flat open trails. The RiverSide trail is nice & flat and that's what I like about it. Some of the trails in the Omaha area have hills but they are nice places to run with lots of wildlife around and no street crossings. My favorite trail in Omaha is the Werhspann Lake 6-mile loop trail.. There's alot of Deer in that area and I have seen a few wild trukeys in the weeds and brush a few feet from the trail and also some black snakes with a stripe on it's back, I don't know if they are poisonous or not so I keep my distance..[xx(]
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Originally posted by charky
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Originally posted by Enid
There are a few street crossings on the Katy trail. They are well marked, but if youre cycling they will slow you down. Its a great trail to run for marathon training. If you start at 41st and riverside and go to the end of the Katy its almost 10 miles. Flat and fast and most of it is protected from the wind.
Now that we've been talking about it...I've run it a couple of times over the past week. That first mile (from the Riverside/11th St. Bridge intersection) has several hills...but otherwise...it's a generally flat run. You run by an old police car graveyard as well.
I like to hear that the Katy Trail is flat. I'm pretty old fashioned when I run, and I like it flat. I know some hills are needed for good workouts but I don't like them. I just like to run on flat open trails. The RiverSide trail is nice & flat and that's what I like about it. Some of the trails in the Omaha area have hills but they are nice places to run with lots of wildlife around and no street crossings. My favorite trail in Omaha is the Werhspann Lake 6-mile loop trail.. There's alot of Deer in that area and I have seen a few wild trukeys in the weeds and brush a few feet from the trail and also some black snakes with a stripe on it's back, I don't know if they are poisonous or not so I keep my distance..[xx(]
Ahh now...gotta mix in some hill work...tempo runs and some long runs. [;)] They'll do wonders for your 5K time.
I had my best 5K and 10K times during my marathon training.
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Really, Charky, its called the 11th street bridge because it connects to 11th street. If Google calls it SW Boulevard its because they don't live here. It doesn't become SW Boulevard till it hits the west side of the bridge.
The same confusion exists on the 21st street bridge which connects with 23rd street on the west side of the river.
Its not an accident that they are marked like this. The river curves slightly and both of those streets are not due east/west orientation.
That's cool and I believe you. But the street sign does read SW Blvd. where you cross to pick up the trail.
If you drive downtown from the on 244/75 from the west and get off on the 7th Street exit, the first intersection you reach after the curve shows Heavytrafficway to the left, 7th Street straight ahead, and Southwest Blvd to the right. So the bridge that we geezers call the 11th Street bridge is really Southwest Blvd. Yes, I always called it the 11th Street bridge, but Southwest Blvd is the street that crosses the river on that bridge.
When you take that exit, I think they mean it directs you towards SW Boulevard. If the signs say SW Boulevard on the bridge...they need to change it straightaway. I'm in no mood for more change in my street life.[:P] No one calls it the SW Boulevard bridge anyway.
I guess it wouldn't hurt to have dual bridge names, huh? Avery bridge would be a better name.
I know. It surprised me. The sign is one of those standard green street signs that you see at most corners. It identifies the street you turn right onto is Southwest Blvd. It's not 11th Street.
Google maps lists it as Southwest Blvd. all the way to 7th Street. Mapquest lists it as Southwest Blvd. all the way to 7th Street. The map used by the official City of Tulsa Live Traffic Report shows it as Southwest Blvd. all the way to 7th Street. http://www.cityoftulsa.org/AccidentMap.aspPerhaps they're all wrong. Sometimes we just have to accept change.
But calling it Cyrus Avery Bridge might be a nice tribute. If I was in charge I'd probably name the original bridge after him, not the one built after U.S. 66 became a memory.
Hey Gang~ here's a link to the jogging trail systems in Omaha, NE. My favorite running trail in Omaha is the Wehrspann Lake Jogging trail, it's a short 6-mile loop around the lake and lately it's been full of wildlfe. I have seen alot of deer and wild turkeys as I run there, and also some black snakes with a stripe on it's back I dunno if they are poisonious or not so I keep clear of them... www.omahatrails.com click on the Wehrspann Lake link and see pictures of my favorite trail. It's weird Omaha has tons of jogging trails and I run on the same darn trail all the time. people really are creatures of habit. [xx(]
I think it would be so cool if Tulsa could get a trail system like Omaha's... A huge network of inter-connecting jog-bike trails with no street crossings. [:)]
All street signs at 7th say "Southwest Blvd"
The old bridge was 11th St but a lot has change since it was built.
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Originally posted by sauerkraut
I think it would be so cool if Tulsa could get a trail system like Omaha's... A huge network of inter-connecting jog-bike trails with no street crossings. [:)]
Dude, there's not a single street crossing between 11th & 81st on the east side of the river and none between 11th and 71st on the west bank. IOW, You can run rougly a 12 to 13 mile loop w/o crossing traffic once.
Yes but what about the other trails like The Creek-TurnPike Trail and some of the others? Anyhow, I just think it would be great to have a inter-connected system of trails in Tulsa like what other cities have. That could be a long-range goal for Tulsa. OKC is working on a trail system as is Indianapolis, and Denver already has a great trail system in place as does Omaha. Tulsa has a golden chance here to do something really postive. JMO on the subject.[xx(]
Tulsa has over 80 miles of trails and growing fast. Here is a map:
http://www.incog.org/transportation/trails/trailsmap.pdf
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Tulsa has over 80 miles of trails and growing fast. Here is a map:
http://www.incog.org/transportation/trails/trailsmap.pdf
We've got the network. He's got a valid point though about no street crossings. There are quite a few around our trail system. I still like what we have but crossings are a PITA. I hate clipping in and out of my pedals every mile or so.
I've not seen Omaha's trail system and generally don't make a habit of commenting on ohter city's trail systems where I don't live.
Tulsa has a bigger trail system than I first thought. Sometimes a few street crossings can't be helped if you want to have a inter-connecting trail system that can take you to different parts of the city safe from motor vehicle traffic. Omaha's trails have a web site www.omahatrails.com The list of the trail names and a map of that trail's location is on the left side of the screen. Omaha is working on adding many more miles of trails and they are working on having a trail link that runs from west Omaha to Lincoln, Nebraska that connects to the trail system in the Lincoln area, that will be a 50 mile trail, early plans are to have it follow I-80's right of way, or the Platte River. That trail is still in the planning stage..[:)]
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I was farther south and didn't see any trail at the point I crossed the river. Tulsa should run that trail down to 101st and connect it into the Jenks Trail. That would also make one big loop trail. Tulsa can do alot with that river, When I was in Tulsa 3 weeks ago I was working on my speed training, getting ready to enter another race. I pulled 2nd place in a 5K on July 6th in Hilliard, Ohio. I need to improve my time. I did the 5K in 25:30 not too bad but I feel I could of done better.
I might be wrong...but I think there are plans for a multi-use trail that would run from Turkey Mtn. south...hooking up with the existing Aquarium Trail. Nothing funded that I'm aware of at this time.
If you want something different...run the Katy Trail. You can access it from the north end Riverside trail. Just keep going north across Southwest Blvd. The trail eventually turns west and heads out to Sand Springs. There's a long stretch of shade...which makes it good for warm weather runs.
OK- Thanks that sounds great, I never ran that trail. It sounds like a great place to run.. I have been just running on the RiverSide Trail and Creek Turn-Pike Trail, I never even ran on the Mingo Trail- I hope there are no street crossings on the Katy Trail, during a timed run the last thing I want to do is cross a street and/or wait for traffic to clear.[:)]
Omaha to Lincoln? I'm a little ambivalent about that kind of development, personally. It's the kind which only benefits few individuals compared with the tax dollars contributed by the entire population. Trails add to the liveability factor of a metro area, but putting in a 50 mile connector trail seems like a boondoggle to me. That'd be like putting one in from Tulsa to Bartlesville, or thereabouts.
Heck, Over in C. Bluffs, Iowa across the river form Omaha They have the famous "Wabash" trail that is 63 miles long and is built on a old rail-road right of way- It runs from C. Bluffs, Iowa to the Missouri state line. The trail is a gravel trail it's not paved. Needless to say it does have street crossings.
Eventually, the Osage Prairie Trail will connect Tulsa to Barnsdall, I think. Old rail corridors like this are ideal for bicycling, and they often bring new development that caters to cyclists and pedestrians. Think of it from the standpoint of a town like Skiatook. Cyclists ride into town, spend money, and leave. It's not unique to our area. The Oil Creek trail between Oil City and Titusville, PA, had a Pizza Hut just past the northern terminus. That restaurant had bike 3-4 deep along the wall every weekend in the summer.
Linking such trails would benefit tourism since cycling tourists spend just as much money as their motoring counterparts (except for fuel) yet they do it in a smaller area. Oklahoma has more remaining original miles of Route 66 than any other state. We have the Chisholm Trail. We have diverse ecosystems and frontier history that can attract tourists. It makes sense to slow them down and have them spend more money along the way.
Not that being mercenary is a bad thing....
^ Please find a Tulsa trail that leads towards Omaha and continue in that direction as far as you can go Forrest.
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Eventually, the Osage Prairie Trail will connect Tulsa to Barnsdall, I think. Old rail corridors like this are ideal for bicycling, and they often bring new development that caters to cyclists and pedestrians. Think of it from the standpoint of a town like Skiatook. Cyclists ride into town, spend money, and leave. It's not unique to our area. The Oil Creek trail between Oil City and Titusville, PA, had a Pizza Hut just past the northern terminus. That restaurant had bike 3-4 deep along the wall every weekend in the summer.
Linking such trails would benefit tourism since cycling tourists spend just as much money as their motoring counterparts (except for fuel) yet they do it in a smaller area. Oklahoma has more remaining original miles of Route 66 than any other state. We have the Chisholm Trail. We have diverse ecosystems and frontier history that can attract tourists. It makes sense to slow them down and have them spend more money along the way.
Not that being mercenary is a bad thing....
RailTrails are very common & popular, even with street crossings, many cities have them. Cyclists have a legal right to ride on the roads, We runners do not as far as I know. I'm not a cyclist, and have not rode a bike in years, but I do know cars and non-motor vehicles don't mix. The times I have ran on the streets I have had cans and bottles thrown at me and I even have been spit at by passing cars... I stick to the jogging trails. I am training for the "TurkeyDay Race" a 10K race for Thanksgiving, so I need to do alot of timed speed runs. This past summer I did a 5K race and missed 1st place by a lousy 31 seconds in my age group. I need to run where I can focus on my time, speed and pace and not have to worry about motor traffic.[:)]
Looks like the stretch from 41st to the Pedestrian Bridge is very close to being opened. Lighting is up and the asphalt is down and leveled. Still need to paint the paths though. The new bridge (Crow Creek?) looks great.
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Looks like the stretch from 41st to the Pedestrian Bridge is very close to being opened. Lighting is up and the asphalt is down and leveled. Still need to paint the paths though. The new bridge (Crow Creek?) looks great.
Yes, that's the crow creek bridge. It's hard for me to judge how far the park is off. They have a lot of the hard work done it seems.
This is good news. I'm surprised Tulsa spends money to have lights on the jogging trail, I don't know of any other jogging trail with street lights. It looks like the RiverSide trail will be super when they get everything done.. Tulsa is doing good, Hey- I'm going to be in Fort Worth, Texas next month and I plan to do some hard runs on the famous Trinity Jogging Trail at least I hope the weather should be warmer. I can't run good in cold weather- When I lived in Texas back in the 1980's I ran the Trinity Trail all the time. In Spring there is tons of wildflowers on the banks of the river.[:)]
I am really excited for Riverparks to be done with construction hopefully this summer so I can enjoy the updated trails. Everything is looking really nice.
I wish now they would now just update the trails at LaFortune as they are slowly falling apart.
I don't see why it takes Tulsa so long- Other cities build trails fast. I wish they would just put down the pavement first then work on all the other frills, landscaping, and stuff while the main trail is open.[}:)]
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I don't see why it takes Tulsa so long- Other cities build trails fast. I wish they would just put down the pavement first then work on all the other frills, landscaping, and stuff while the main trail is open.[}:)]
A trail may cross multiple jurisdictions between governments and departments within those governments. For instance, a given trail could involve federal, state, city, county, and tribal lands. Each has to sign off on it, and after it's built, each may be responsible for maintenance on its section. Even within one governmental unit, say the City of Tulsa, both Public Works and the Parks Department may have responsibilities for different parts of a trail. All of this has to be coordinated prior to construction.
The old rule-of-thumb was that trail construction cost roughly $1 million per lane mile exclusive of expensive infrastructure like bridges or traffic signals. For a fraction of that money, we could provide the League's bicycling education package to every interested resident. It would complete the intent of the trail and on-street route system by equipping cyclists with the skills and knowledge to navigate the entire road network safely and comfortably.
I'm getting pretty excited about this new portion of the trail opening up real soon from I-44 to the pedestrian bridge. It's my favorite part to run and play disc golf. I think I will enjoy this town just that much more when it opens along with the QT park and the new disc golf course.
I wish someone would tell those construction workers to stop parking their heavy vehicles on newly paved asphalt. I don't want to run on an uneven trail!
Other cities can build jogging trails real fast, I just don't see why Tulsa is so slow. I agree the workers should not park their old heaps on the fresh pavement. My favorite section is to run from the far south parking areas (101st street) up to the I-44 Bridge and back, parts of the old trail were in very bad shape. I like the section that runs near the river (where the trail curves in from RiverSide Drive)- that reminds me a bit of the Fort Worth Trinity Trail. I hate the casino section where the trail crosses the driveway, the last thing I want to do is worry about motor traffic going in & out when I'm doing a timed run. I like the trails that have no traffic crosings best. My e-mail box is full of the up-coming 2009 races and running events.[8D]
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Other cities can build jogging trails real fast, I just don't see why Tulsa is so slow.[8D]
You just don't give up...do you?
Others have explained why it is taking so long.
Workers have to dig up and remove the old asphalt trails. Regrade and widen for the new trails. Pour concrete for the curbs...pour new asphalt...level and paint. Not to mention all new lighting...new seating areas and a large new park at 41st.
I rather the city take the time to do it right...instead of a half-azzed job.
Good for Tulsa...the new sections of the trails that are open are awesome!!
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Other cities can build jogging trails real fast, I just don't see why Tulsa is so slow.[8D]
You just don't give up...do you?
Others have explained why it is taking so long.
Workers have to dig up and remove the old asphalt trails. Regrade and widen for the new trails. Pour concrete for the curbs...pour new asphalt...level and paint. Not to mention all new lighting...new seating areas and a large new park at 41st.
I rather the city take the time to do it right...instead of a half-azzed job.
Good for Tulsa...the new sections of the trails that are open are awesome!!
It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't live in Columbus OH and act like he knows what is going on around here on a day-by-day basis.
There, I did it.
I know some of you were patiently waiting.
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Other cities can build jogging trails real fast, I just don't see why Tulsa is so slow.[8D]
You just don't give up...do you?
Others have explained why it is taking so long.
Workers have to dig up and remove the old asphalt trails. Regrade and widen for the new trails. Pour concrete for the curbs...pour new asphalt...level and paint. Not to mention all new lighting...new seating areas and a large new park at 41st.
I rather the city take the time to do it right...instead of a half-azzed job.
Good for Tulsa...the new sections of the trails that are open are awesome!!
It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't live in Columbus OH and act like he knows what is going on around here on a day-by-day basis.
There, I did it.
I know some of you were patiently waiting.
Hey, if you lived in Columbus in February you'd probably be dreaming of living somewhere else too.
He's weirdly critical of Tulsa's trails at times but at least he's pro-runner. There are folks out there who I'm sure don't think dollar-one should be put into anything of the sort.
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He's weirdly critical of Tulsa's trails at times but at least he's pro-runner. There are folks out there who I'm sure don't think dollar-one should be put into anything of the sort.
I don't mind him being pro-runner. At least live here to make an educated opinion. I realize he used to live here.
Twenty years ago...
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Hey, if you lived in Columbus in February you'd probably be dreaming of living somewhere else too.
I've been there in about every month of the year and glad I live here. People think our river smells funny.
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Hey, if you lived in Columbus in February you'd probably be dreaming of living somewhere else too.
I've been there in about every month of the year and glad I live here. People think our river smells funny.
So do you hang out on the ColubusNow forum and post on food prices, trails, and restaurant locations you only know of via Google or Google Earth?
I dunno why everyone jumps on me. I only said they build trails slow in Tulsa as compaired to other cities, and other cities have to do the the same things as does Tulsa when they build the trails. It takes Tulsa longer to rebuild the trail than it takes to build a highway. The city of Omama built a whole system of trails in a few short years and they are expanding the trail network all the time and there is a plan to build a 50-mile trail from Omama to Lincoln, Nebraska. Anyhow, once the new trail is done in Tulsa it should look pretty darn good. Tulsa Rockz![:)]
I have seen them build trails very fast here. But these new improved trails are not your average trails. They had to rip up the old ones, redesign and reconfigure the landscape in many areas (that alone made things look sooo much better), lay in electrical for the lighting (looks to be very nice lighting btw), many areas have beautiful new stone retaining and terracing walls, new plantings, creeks were redone, nice new bridges, drinking water fountains, fantastic new park space with dozens of fountains, new restrooms, etc. etc. The quality finish, of the actual trails themselves, (lets not forget that its also in most areas, double trails) is very sharp looking.
I loved that we had the river parks and the trails, but sometimes I would drive by and they would just look so ratty. This is making a world of difference not just to the trails but its redoing and improving most of the park space itself in those areas as well. This is a fantastic start to having a top-notch, showcase for the city.
Thank you Mr Kaiser and QT!
Cant wait to see the next phase. I am so greedy lol. [:P]
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I dunno why everyone jumps on me. I only said they build trails slow in Tulsa as compaired to other cities,
Because when you post about things in Tulsa while you live in o-freaking-hio it appears you are speaking out of your butt.
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Originally posted by sauerkraut
Other cities can build jogging trails real fast, I just don't see why Tulsa is so slow. I agree the workers should not park their old heaps on the fresh pavement. My favorite section is to run from the far south parking areas (101st street) up to the I-44 Bridge and back, parts of the old trail were in very bad shape. I like the section that runs near the river (where the trail curves in from RiverSide Drive)- that reminds me a bit of the Fort Worth Trinity Trail. I hate the casino section where the trail crosses the driveway, the last thing I want to do is worry about motor traffic going in & out when I'm doing a timed run. I like the trails that have no traffic crosings best. My e-mail box is full of the up-coming 2009 races and running events.[8D]
Likewise. Tulsa Runner and Runner's World sends me at least 2-3 emails a week it seems like. When I'm in marathon training mode, I usually start from 41st and Riverside and run to the Williams building, through Cherry Street to St. John, through Woodward Park, through the portion of the trail that cuts through the neighborhood which takes you to the top level of the pedestrian bridge, and then back again to 41st. If you enjoy varied elevation and a nice little 12-13 mile tour of Tulsa, this is a great path.
It will be nice to finally have a decent, well-lit trail too...cuz doing long runs that push into the night at the River Parks can be pretty scary without some decent lighting.
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It will be nice to finally have a decent, well-lit trail too...cuz doing long runs that push into the night at the River Parks can be pretty scary without some decent lighting.
If your idea of well-lit means lighting of a reasonable intensity so that the brightness of the trail doesnt prevent you from seeing into the shadows, im with you.
As a trail user, are you able to see better into the shadows now than before, or could the lighting be softened a bit more so that your eyes dont have to make big adjustments between light and dark areas?
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I dunno why everyone jumps on me. I only said they build trails slow in Tulsa as compaired to other cities,
Because when you post about things in Tulsa while you live in o-freaking-hio it appears you are speaking out of your butt.
I'm in Tulsa more than you think. I'll be in Tulsa the 1st week of March. I have ran on the RiverSide Trail many times when I'm in "T" Towne. I run the Creek TrunPike Trail sometimes. I'm a Customer Service Rep. I travel alot for a living.
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Originally posted by sauerkraut
Other cities can build jogging trails real fast, I just don't see why Tulsa is so slow. I agree the workers should not park their old heaps on the fresh pavement. My favorite section is to run from the far south parking areas (101st street) up to the I-44 Bridge and back, parts of the old trail were in very bad shape. I like the section that runs near the river (where the trail curves in from RiverSide Drive)- that reminds me a bit of the Fort Worth Trinity Trail. I hate the casino section where the trail crosses the driveway, the last thing I want to do is worry about motor traffic going in & out when I'm doing a timed run. I like the trails that have no traffic crosings best. My e-mail box is full of the up-coming 2009 races and running events.[8D]
Likewise. Tulsa Runner and Runner's World sends me at least 2-3 emails a week it seems like. When I'm in marathon training mode, I usually start from 41st and Riverside and run to the Williams building, through Cherry Street to St. John, through Woodward Park, through the portion of the trail that cuts through the neighborhood which takes you to the top level of the pedestrian bridge, and then back again to 41st. If you enjoy varied elevation and a nice little 12-13 mile tour of Tulsa, this is a great path.
It will be nice to finally have a decent, well-lit trail too...cuz doing long runs that push into the night at the River Parks can be pretty scary without some decent lighting.
Yep, I get alot of e-mails from Runner's World mag, and Fitness-USA or whatever that race company's name is here. I guess I'm just a old fashioned runner, I hate hills and yes I know it's good to train on them, but I just love to run on flat open trails, upgrades and hills make me cuss. Sometimes before a race I'll do some speed work and finish with some quick hill work, but most times I'll just do the speed work and skip the hill work. Omaha's Wherspann Lake 6-mile loop trail has two mean upgrades. Tulsa's RiverSide Trail is nice & Flat as is the Trinity Trail in Texas, and the Olentangy trail in Ohio.[8D][:)]
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It will be nice to finally have a decent, well-lit trail too...cuz doing long runs that push into the night at the River Parks can be pretty scary without some decent lighting.
If your idea of well-lit means lighting of a reasonable intensity so that the brightness of the trail doesnt prevent you from seeing into the shadows, im with you.
As a trail user, are you able to see better into the shadows now than before, or could the lighting be softened a bit more so that your eyes dont have to make big adjustments between light and dark areas?
I'm able to see better period. I love the new lighting system. It's not so bright that it blinds you, but not so little that you can barely see. I'll say that it's a hell of a lot better than those dim orange lights they had before that seemed to be placed every half mile of each other. Before, I got scared every time I wasn't around a light. But now, the lights are spaced out perfectly that it blends into the next so that there are no dark spots. I just wish they would work all the kinks out, because I have noticed that EVERY time I run, there are at least 2-3 lights on the new portion of the trail that are not working...and they usually aren't the same ones each time. It seems to skip around to different lights at times and the ones that weren't on the day before are suddenly on the next day...
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Originally posted by patric
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Originally posted by TurismoDreamin
It will be nice to finally have a decent, well-lit trail too...cuz doing long runs that push into the night at the River Parks can be pretty scary without some decent lighting.
If your idea of well-lit means lighting of a reasonable intensity so that the brightness of the trail doesnt prevent you from seeing into the shadows, im with you.
As a trail user, are you able to see better into the shadows now than before, or could the lighting be softened a bit more so that your eyes dont have to make big adjustments between light and dark areas?
I'm able to see better period. I love the new lighting system. It's not so bright that it blinds you, but not so little that you can barely see. I'll say that it's a hell of a lot better than those dim orange lights they had before that seemed to be placed every half mile of each other. Before, I got scared every time I wasn't around a light. But now, the lights are spaced out perfectly that it blends into the next so that there are no dark spots. I just wish they would work all the kinks out, because I have noticed that EVERY time I run, there are at least 2-3 lights on the new portion of the trail that are not working...and they usually aren't the same ones each time. It seems to skip around to different lights at times and the ones that weren't on the day before are suddenly on the next day...
Most jogging trails don't have any lighting systems, Tulsa's trail lighting is a big bonus, I bet it's darn expensive to install all the lights and the electric bills.[B)]
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I dunno why everyone jumps on me. I only said they build trails slow in Tulsa as compaired to other cities,
Because when you post about things in Tulsa while you live in o-freaking-hio it appears you are speaking out of your butt.
I'm in Tulsa more than you think. I'll be in Tulsa the 1st week of March. I have ran on the RiverSide Trail many times when I'm in "T" Towne. I run the Creek TrunPike Trail sometimes. I'm a Customer Service Rep. I travel alot for a living.
Then quit acting like you know about current-day Tulsa from first-hand experience. You live in Ohio. It should be mandatory that your sig read something like "I'm not really a Tulsan, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night".
This forum has many out-of-state posters, and that's a good thing. It brings in all sorts of view points and it shows that Tulsa draws in people from all over the country. I'm a hardcore running nut so jogging trails are a big intrest to me. The RiverSide jogging trail is a great place to run~ In March the spring racing season starts from short 5K runs to a 26.2 mile run. There is a 10 mile Easter race coming up that I need to train for and since I'll be in Tulsa soon I can do some timed runs on the RiverSide Trail while I'm in town...[:)] [}:)]
Anyone know of any races in Tulsa during the month of March? A race that allows same-day sign ups?? Thanz [B)]
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Anyone know of any races in Tulsa during the month of March? A race that allows same-day sign ups?? Thanz [B)]
'kraut...bookmark this site...
www.okrunner.com
It has the upcoming schedule. There's a 5K every weekend in March. The St. Patricks Day run had almost 1200 runners last year. And the K9K run on the 21st offers a 5K or a 9K. Don't know for sure...but you can usually sign up the day of the race. Might cost you a few extra bucks though.
OK thanks for the info. I know same-day sign up costs more, but it works better for me. I do my best running when it's warm and March does not have too many warm days, if it's cold or raining on race day I can stay home and not lose my money. That is worth an extra $5.00 or so for me when I sign up on race day. Tulsa is one heck of a fine runner's city. I wish our city had races every weekend.[:)]
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Anyone know of any races in Tulsa during the month of March? A race that allows same-day sign ups?? Thanz [B)]
March 14 - Saint Patrick's Day run (5k)
I've never been able to make it out to this one and I won't be present for this again this year since I will be out of town. It's one of the first major runs of the year. I'm sure there are same day sign ups.
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Originally posted by sauerkraut
Anyone know of any races in Tulsa during the month of March? A race that allows same-day sign ups?? Thanz [B)]
March 14 - Saint Patrick's Day run (5k)
I've never been able to make it out to this one and I won't be present for this again this year since I will be out of town. It's one of the first major runs of the year. I'm sure there are same day sign ups.
That sounds good, but I won't in Tulsa for that race. Those 5K races are short & fast, the last 5K race I ran was at nearly at full throttle the whole way and I had a pack of runners right behind me, and I was working to beat 3 fast females and 2 men around me during that last mile, I was going full throttle- everyone was huffing & puffin'. I'm looking for something longer like a 10 mile run where I can get warmed up and real lose and just coast at a easy pace thru the middle miles and just floor it the last 1-2 miles. We are having some 5K races on St. Paddy's Day here in Ohio, but it's still pretty cold for running. I'm very intrested in a Easter 10 mile race that is coming up and I hope the weather warms up though. [:)]
You're not going to find a 10 mile race in Tulsa. The closest would be the Tulsa Run (9.3 miles) in the fall...or the handful of half-marathons in the spring and fall.
Most weekend races are 5Ks/10Ks.
There is a really cool 8 mile run/race in June...The Estim8er. No watches allowed...and you don't know the course until the evening before. You guess what time you'll finish and wear it on your bib. Winner is the person that gets closest to their time.
I did it last year and had a blast. I think I was only 20 seconds off...and I finished 11th!
Work crews are making good progress on the park at 41st/Riverside...and the asphalt trail is down and leveled from 41st Street south to (almost) I-44.
We're getting there.
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You're not going to find a 10 mile race in Tulsa. The closest would be the Tulsa Run (9.3 miles) in the fall...or the handful of half-marathons in the spring and fall.
Most weekend races are 5Ks/10Ks.
There is a really cool 8 mile run/race in June...The Estim8er. No watches allowed...and you don't know the course until the evening before. You guess what time you'll finish and wear it on your bib. Winner is the person that gets closest to their time.
I did it last year and had a blast. I think I was only 20 seconds off...and I finished 11th!
Do they allow "stopwatchs"? That is what I run with. I like to know my time & pace. A 6 mile race or 8 mile race is OK with me, The 5K is allright but it's a bit too short for me, I don't mind running them but there is not much time to get yourself in a good posistion and it's pretty much an all out full throttle run from the start to finish, I like to use the first mile to warm up and get lose and in a 5K you can't do that.. Like I said the last 5K I ran was a real fast one, I was locked in a battle with other runners during the last mile and my legs would not move any faster, a pack of runners was right behind me. For Runners who just like to run for fun and don't care about what time they cross the finish line, the 5K is fine, but I figure if I'm going to run a race I want to win and do the best I can. We have a half marathon race in June and August, and the famous Columbus marathon in October, thousands of runners enter that race.[:)]
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Work crews are making good progress on the park at 41st/Riverside...and the asphalt trail is down and leveled from 41st Street south to (almost) I-44.
We're getting there.
My favorite section for running is from the Jenks Bridge parking area north to I-44 and back.. [:)]
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Do they allow "stopwatchs"? That is what I run with. I like to know my time & pace. A 6 mile race or 8 mile race is OK with me, The 5K is allright but it's a bit too short for me, I don't mind running them but there is not much time to get yourself in a good posistion and it's pretty much an all out full throttle run from the start to finish, I like to use the first mile to warm up and get lose and in a 5K you can't do that.. Like I said the last 5K I ran was a real fast one, I was locked in a battle with other runners during the last mile and my legs would not move any faster, a pack of runners was right behind me. For Runners who just like to run for fun and don't care about what time they cross the finish line, the 5K is fine, but I figure if I'm going to run a race I want to win and do the best I can. We have a half marathon race in June and August, and the famous Columbus marathon in October, thousands of runners enter that race.[:)]
No. No timing devices of any kind. That's kind of the point. I just found it to be a very unique and fun event. And the fastest runner doesn't necessarily win.
If you've been running for years...you probably have a pretty good idea of your pace. I think the lady that won it was only 4 seconds off her guess!
Anyway...just a fun race and a nice break from the traditional runs.
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Originally posted by charky
Work crews are making good progress on the park at 41st/Riverside...and the asphalt trail is down and leveled from 41st Street south to (almost) I-44.
We're getting there.
My favorite section for running is from the Jenks Bridge parking area north to I-44 and back.. [:)]
My only prob with that route is the casino crossing area because of the ill-minded drivers racing to get their daily fix.....and the area between I-44 and 56th street, because it stinks over there and it's hard to hyperventilate and dry heave at the same time.
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Originally posted by sauerkraut
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Originally posted by charky
Work crews are making good progress on the park at 41st/Riverside...and the asphalt trail is down and leveled from 41st Street south to (almost) I-44.
We're getting there.
My favorite section for running is from the Jenks Bridge parking area north to I-44 and back.. [:)]
My only prob with that route is the casino crossing area because of the ill-minded drivers racing to get their daily fix.....and the area between I-44 and 56th street, because it stinks over there and it's hard to hyperventilate and dry heave at the same time.
You know, its all about marketing and word choice. The smell... ( Come have a "breathtaking experience" at our beautiful River Parks. We guarantee it will knock you out. ) [:D]
Or the ever popular, "that's the smell of money being made". More accurately, the smell of money being recycled.
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Originally posted by sauerkraut
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Originally posted by charky
Work crews are making good progress on the park at 41st/Riverside...and the asphalt trail is down and leveled from 41st Street south to (almost) I-44.
We're getting there.
My favorite section for running is from the Jenks Bridge parking area north to I-44 and back.. [:)]
My only prob with that route is the casino crossing area because of the ill-minded drivers racing to get their daily fix.....and the area between I-44 and 56th street, because it stinks over there and it's hard to hyperventilate and dry heave at the same time.
Yes, that casino driveway is a big pain for runners. That is a flaw in the RiverSide Trail design, but it's not super bad, I can deal with it. I favor jogging trails with no street crossings, Omaha has trails that have no street crossings, The city of Omaha has a system of jogging trails like a Interstate highway system with exit ramps up to surface streets at places where the trail passes under the streets. It's really super. You can run your legs off there. There is a St. Paddys Day 5K race in Columbus, Ohio on March 14th. The first 3 Finishers will get a Plaque, the next 100 people who finish will get a race mug. They won't have any age divisions in the race. The race time of all the runners will still be recorded online. I run faster in races than I do in my training, I guess the competion and adrenlin rush push me harder. Ultra-fit is doing the race. The cost to enter is $29.00 and $35.00 race day. www.omahatrails.com Click around on some of the trail links for more info. The 6-mile loop trail at Wehrspann Lake is my favorite trail to run when I'm in Omaha, It's funny Omaha has tons of jogging trails and I keep running the same one over & over. Click on that link for info about the Wehrspann trail. [:)]
The Casino is paying to "re-route" the jogging trail to the river/behind the parking lot and structures.
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The Casino is paying to "re-route" the jogging trail to the river/behind the parking lot and structures.
Wow, that's great news. I hope it is "re-routed" so that it bypasses a crossing at both 81st street and all the other entrances to the existing and new casino. There is way too much traffic flow that runs in and out of there.
That means the trail will only run into vehicular traffic at Southwest Boulevard and then not again until Hardvard (which isn't a problem since it's more of a dead end entrance to a neighborhood) and most importantly Yale.
Btw, do you have a source that you can post up citing this?
WoW That is great news. I like running near the river anyhow- I bet that will cost the casino a pretty penny to do. I'd also like to see the jogging trail extended farther south down past 101st street. Motor traffic & joggers do not mix. I hope this work is done soon.[:)]
Quote from: TurismoDreamin on March 03, 2009, 08:59:22 AM
Wow, that's great news. I hope it is "re-routed" so that it bypasses a crossing at both 81st street and all the other entrances to the existing and new casino. There is way too much traffic flow that runs in and out of there.
That means the trail will only run into vehicular traffic at Southwest Boulevard and then not again until Hardvard (which isn't a problem since it's more of a dead end entrance to a neighborhood) and most importantly Yale.
The Sheridan crossing is more of a pain, thanks to the lack of a traffic light there. Memorial can be a long wait if you are the sort not to cross against the light when traffic clears.
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The Sheridan crossing is more of a pain, thanks to the lack of a traffic light there. Memorial can be a long wait if you are the sort not to cross against the light when traffic clears.
I disagree. I've never had problems on the trail at Sheridan....or even at Mingo. It's Yale and Memorial that I have the worst problems at simply because of the stop lights.
1. It backs traffic up which results in traffic always being there.
2. People don't look when they are traveling northbound on Yale and Sheridan to make right turns to get onto the highway on-ramp (same goes with those turning southbound off of the ramp). At least with continuously moving traffic (i.e. Mingo and Sheridan), people are more predictable.
3. These same people don't slow down when they see a red light. They assume that no one is coming and continue their speed to make their right turn.
I know its kinda ironic. You'd figure that stoplights would help, but everyone has to do their part if you want that kind of a system to work. Our endless number of "two lanes merging into one" arterials has conditioned Tulsa drivers to become anxious drivers...
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I disagree. I've never had problems on the trail at Sheridan....or even at Mingo. It's Yale and Memorial that I have the worst problems at simply because of the stop lights.
1. It backs traffic up which results in traffic always being there.
2. People don't look when they are traveling northbound on Yale and Sheridan to make right turns to get onto the highway on-ramp (same goes with those turning southbound off of the ramp). At least with continuously moving traffic (i.e. Mingo and Sheridan), people are more predictable.
3. These same people don't slow down when they see a red light. They assume that no one is coming and continue their speed to make their right turn.
Perhaps it's just the time of day I've been on the trail at Yale, but I haven't had an issue there. Right turners stop. Even the few times I was out there during rush hour. (at which time Sheridan was nearly uncrossable)
At Memorial, the traffic is much worse, thus the wait times are longer, but I've never had much of an issue with right turners trying to hit me. They'll sometimes make their turn if I'm just departing the median, but they've got plenty of time to make their move without causing me an issue and the next person always stops.
I have more problems with people exiting the highway than people getting on. At Memorial and at 91st/169 both people have convinced me they were trying to run me over. :o
I like to avoid trails that cross streets, stopping for traffic ruins my pace & time. I just finished a 4 mile run on the Heritage Bikeway Trail, I'm a bit rusty from not running much during the long & bitter cold winter we had. It felt good to get back into the swing of things, the trail was pretty busy lots of runners out, a few rollerbladers and alot of bike riders... I can't run good when it's cold. With this warmer weather I need to keep training and work on my speed. We are near 70 degrees. :D
Has any Tulsa forum members sigend up for the Big Tulsa 5K St. Patrick's day race? ???
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Has any Tulsa forum members sigend up for the Big Tulsa 5K St. Patrick's day race? ???
I only run when chased.
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Has any Tulsa forum members sigend up for the Big Tulsa 5K St. Patrick's day race? ???
I won't be doing the Saturday event because my training's telling me I need 10 miles, not 5k. I'm considering running the Fleet Feet St. Patrick's Run on Monday evening.
http://www.fleetfeettulsa.com/
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I won't be doing the Saturday event because my training's telling me I need 10 miles, not 5k. I'm considering running the Fleet Feet St. Patrick's Run on Monday evening.
http://www.fleetfeettulsa.com/
What event are you training for?
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What event are you training for?
The OKC half marathon, at the end of April. We'll see how the training shapes up, though. I've got a lot of competing responsibilities right now ;D
We are having two St. Patrick's Day races, both are 5K's one is at Flannagans at 8am the other is at a Hooters at 7:pm.. Both cost $29.00 to enter and $35.00 on race day. The top 3 finishers win a plaque, the next first 75 finishers win a mug & tee shirt. (75 Male & female) There is no age bracket timing everyone is racing against each other. www.ultrafit-usa.com :D
Quote from: carltonplace on March 02, 2009, 01:58:05 PM
The Casino is paying to "re-route" the jogging trail to the river/behind the parking lot and structures.
What is the timetable for rerouting the trail, after all of their construction is complete? That will be REALLY nice. Now we just need a trail from 71st to Riverwalk Crossing on the west bank.
Also I like the KATY trail but would also someday like to see the river trail extended from 11th/SW Blvd. along the north bank of the river to Hwy. 97. Would it ever be possible to build a biking/jogging trail on top of the levee?
Not certain about the time table on the re-route around the casino, but I think there were plans to incorporate a boardwalk with the hotel.
Maybe you already know this, but if you cross 11th St Northbound you can take the trail up through Crosbie Heights and around Newblock park towards Sand Springs. Is this considered the "Katie Trail"?
I figured the casino would have a covered bridge where you could drop some coin as you jog by?
I might actually start to jog if they had that. . . with a bar of course.
:D That would be super!
Quote from: Gaspar on March 31, 2009, 04:12:47 PM
I figured the casino would have a covered bridge where you could drop some coin as you jog by?
I might actually start to jog if they had that. . . with a bar of course.
Another "toll road"? A pike pass on your bicycle or jogging shorts? I could go along with a 2 drink minimum to cross the bridge.
Tried out the newly opened section of trail on my run today...from the Pedestrian Bridge to the 41st park/playground. I was pleasantly surprised to see they've added a narrow running lane (about 2 feet wide) of the pea gravel/chat mix or whatever it is...along side of the main asphalt trail. Runs from the Crow Creek Bridge to 41st Street. Great for us runners that like a little "softer" surface.
Hopefully they'll continue it on south.
Hey Gang, does anyone know when the southern section of the RiverSide Jogging Trail will be done? That's the area I normally do my running. Here it is Summer and now they close down the jogging trail. The city of Omaha builds trails very fast, I don't understand why Tulsa is so slow... Just pour the blacktop, mark it, put up the mileage posts and open it up. Most of Omaha's trails are made out of cement instead of blacktop. I'm not a big fan of running the Turnpike Trail. :D
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The city of Omaha builds trails very fast, I don't understand why Tulsa is so slow...
Do you have this on cut and paste? If'n you don't like it here, stop posting. You don't live here.
You've said you'd be in town and you were invited to HH. I think if you were actually in town you'd've been there.
I also think you're misrepresenting yourself when you say you're moving here anytime soon.
If you can prove you've been here recently, I'll gladly take it back.
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Hey Gang, does anyone know when the southern section of the RiverSide Jogging Trail will be done? That's the area I normally do my running. Here it is Summer and now they close down the jogging trail. The city of Omaha builds trails very fast, I don't understand why Tulsa is so slow... Just pour the blacktop, mark it, put up the mileage posts and open it up. Most of Omaha's trails are made out of cement instead of blacktop. I'm not a big fan of running the Turnpike Trail. :D
Well I guess Omaha has the jogging trail business all figured out. Close them down in the summer; pour blacktop and turn it into cement and do it very fast. I guess as soon as Tulsa can pour cement blacktop inter-dispersed with magic milage markers we'll be on our way to being the next Omaha. I hope we can build a Wal*Mart at every mile marker...that would be kewl.
Gosh, it can't happen soon enough. Bah, soon enough isn't soon enough.
Quote from: sauerkraut on April 30, 2009, 03:48:01 PM
Hey Gang, does anyone know when the southern section of the RiverSide Jogging Trail will be done? That's the area I normally do my running. Here it is Summer and now they close down the jogging trail. The city of Omaha builds trails very fast, I don't understand why Tulsa is so slow... Just pour the blacktop, mark it, put up the mileage posts and open it up. Most of Omaha's trails are made out of cement instead of blacktop. I'm not a big fan of running the Turnpike Trail. :D
If you don't like it, stay in Omaha. PLEASE!!!!
Quote from: sauerkraut on April 30, 2009, 03:48:01 PM
Hey Gang, does anyone know when the southern section of the RiverSide Jogging Trail will be done? That's the area I normally do my running. Here it is Summer and now they close down the jogging trail. The city of Omaha builds trails very fast, I don't understand why Tulsa is so slow... Just pour the blacktop, mark it, put up the mileage posts and open it up. Most of Omaha's trails are made out of cement instead of blacktop. I'm not a big fan of running the Turnpike Trail. :D
If I hear this whine one more time I'm driving to Ohio and slapping you.
Tulsa is moving drainage, removing trees, leveling ground, laying down subgrade materials, concrete curbing, building 2 10ft paths, running electrical, putting in new lighting, benches, trees, bridges, walls, signs, outlooks and THEN pouring the asphalt.
Quote from: sgrizzle on May 01, 2009, 09:23:58 AM
If I hear this whine one more time I'm driving to Ohio and slapping you.
Tulsa is moving drainage, removing trees, leveling ground, laying down subgrade materials, concrete curbing, building 2 10ft paths, running electrical, putting in new lighting, benches, trees, bridges, walls, signs, outlooks and THEN pouring the asphalt.
Yes- but that should of all been done already when they built the first trail, They build highways faster than what Tulsa builds a little trail and highways require alot more work. Anyhoo it really seems like it's taking a long time, they have been working on the thing for over two years, I know they are also rebuilding the park area too and with all this rain & flooding it will take them even longer. :-X
Quote from: Hoss on April 30, 2009, 09:45:22 PM
If you don't like it, stay in Omaha. PLEASE!!!!
I don't like waiting for the trail. I understand when it rains all the time it's tuff to get any work done and Tulsa is wet city USA lately. That section of trail is my favorite running area
I think I just saw Grizzle's truck heading toward Ohio on I-44.
Quote from: carltonplace on April 30, 2009, 09:34:31 PM
Well I guess Omaha has the jogging trail business all figured out. Close them down in the summer; pour blacktop and turn it into cement and do it very fast. I guess as soon as Tulsa can pour cement blacktop inter-dispersed with magic milage markers we'll be on our way to being the next Omaha. I hope we can build a Wal*Mart at every mile marker...that would be kewl.
Gosh, it can't happen soon enough. Bah, soon enough isn't soon enough.
They build trails real fast in Omaha check out the trail network. www.omahatrails.com
Quote from: charky on April 01, 2009, 07:41:11 PM
Tried out the newly opened section of trail on my run today...from the Pedestrian Bridge to the 41st park/playground. I was pleasantly surprised to see they've added a narrow running lane (about 2 feet wide) of the pea gravel/chat mix or whatever it is...along side of the main asphalt trail. Runs from the Crow Creek Bridge to 41st Street. Great for us runners that like a little "softer" surface.
Hopefully they'll continue it on south.
When I drove by Sunday everything south of there was demolished, and people were jogging in Riverside Drive itself. Went on for miles. They couldnt even walk on the grass because of the fencing.
Quote from: patric on May 01, 2009, 11:08:08 AM
When I drove by Sunday everything south of there was demolished, and people were jogging in Riverside Drive itself. Went on for miles. They couldnt even walk on the grass because of the fencing.
The area you are discussing is torn up due to the I-44 project. The trail rehab doesn't start until about 55th.
Quote from: sauerkraut on May 01, 2009, 11:03:52 AM
They build trails real fast in Omaha check out the trail network. www.omahatrails.com
You post during "free time" at the clinic don't you?
Quote from: sgrizzle on May 01, 2009, 11:54:16 AM
The area you are discussing is torn up due to the I-44 project. The trail rehab doesn't start until about 55th.
The trail is torn up on the southern section and it goes all the way down from 54th to 71st street, there's miles & miles with no trail and a orange fence is blocking the area - the parking areas are closed too. It's crazy to run on RiverSide Drive, I don't run on any roads, streets, or highways- I stick to the jogging trails. With all the rain & flooding the workers can't do nothing. I guess I have go to the northern section to run, or stick to the TurnPike Trail when this rain stops. I hope they will re-route the new trail to the back of the casino to avoid the casino driveway crossing, that's always been a real pain. Lately the only ones who can do any running are the fishes. I have been doing some speed work to try and get my pace up there. I need to do some hill work to and I hate hills. This rain has put me on "hold" :-X
Quote from: sauerkraut on May 01, 2009, 03:20:02 PM
The trail is torn up on the southern section and it goes all the way down, there's miles & miles with no trail and a orange fence is blocking the area - the parking areas are closed too. It's crazy to run on RiverSide Drive, I don't run on any roads, streets, or highways- I stick to the jogging trails. With all the rain & flooding the workers can't do nothing. I guess I have go to the northern section to run, or stick to the TurnPike Trail when this rain stops. I hope they will re-route the new trail to the back of the casino to avoid the casino driveway crossing, that's always been a real pain. Lately the only ones who can do any running are the fishes. I have been doing some speed work to try and get my pace up there. I need to do some hill work to and I hate hills. This rain has put me on "hold" :-X
He's gone to Plaid
Quote from: sgrizzle on May 01, 2009, 11:54:16 AM
The area you are discussing is torn up due to the I-44 project. The trail rehab doesn't start until about 55th.
That's correct and it runs all the way down to 71st street- Both, the trail & parking areas are closed off. The new trail section in the north looks nice but IMO it's overdone with all that fancy stuff, expensive light poles every 100 feet, and a trail curb & all that stuff costs money. I would be very happy with just a new "plain Jane" trail I'm not a big fan of all those frills. The old trail had to go it was falling apart and narrow no question about, it was past due for a re-build.. My normal running section of the RiverSide trail is the closed off section. Just give me a open trail and a stop watch and I'm good to go, forget the fancy frills. They are building a Cadillac trail when a Chevy would do nicely- Color me old fashioned I guess.
Quote from: sauerkraut on May 02, 2009, 10:45:57 AM
That's correct and it runs all the way down to 71st street- Both, the trail & parking areas are closed off. The new trail section in the north looks nice but IMO it's overdone with all that fancy stuff, expensive light poles every 100 feet, and a trail curb & all that stuff costs money. I would be very happy with just a new "plain Jane" trail I'm not a big fan of all those frills. The old trail had to go it was falling apart and narrow no question about, it was past due for a re-build.. My normal running section of the RiverSide trail is the closed off section. Just give me a open trail and a stop watch and I'm good to go, forget the fancy frills. They are building a Cadillac trail when a Chevy would do nicely- Color me old fashioned I guess.
Well, isn't it a cryin' shame they didn't consult you before they drafted up the plans for it?
::)
Quote from: Hoss on May 02, 2009, 01:44:38 PM
Well, isn't it a cryin' shame they didn't consult you before they drafted up the plans for it?
::)
I wish they would make me King for the day I'd fix up all the countries problems in no time. I'll fix Tulsa's problems in a minute. :D
Quote from: sauerkraut on May 03, 2009, 01:57:54 PM
I wish they would make me King for the day I'd fix up all the countries problems in no time. I'll fix Tulsa's problems in a minute. :D
Don't you actually have to live in your 'kingdom' to be called king?
::)
Quote from: Hoss on May 03, 2009, 02:31:06 PM
Don't you actually have to live in your 'kingdom' to be called king?
::)
Evidently he chooses a
BIG kingdom, more than just Tulsa. The next king could un-do some or all of his "fixes".
Quote from: Hoss on May 03, 2009, 02:31:06 PM
Don't you actually have to live in your 'kingdom' to be called king?
::)
Are you saying he ain't from around here?
Quote from: nathanm on May 03, 2009, 02:48:50 PM
Are you saying he ain't from around here?
Yep, he posts his comments from a library in Columbus, Ohio.
Quote from: sauerkraut on May 03, 2009, 01:57:54 PM
I wish they would make me King for the day I'd fix up all the countries problems in no time. I'll fix Tulsa's problems in a minute. :D
I thought you would maybe appoint the new mayor for Omaha first.
The only thing you'll find me complaining about is that it's either too hot or too cold...or that maybe I should have had a beer or three instead of my run.
There's PLENTY of open trails for running. Be crazy...try different paths! Or goodness...run on the west side of the river. Or crap...just open your front door and go!
I'm incredibly proud of what our city is doing with the trail system. It's top-notch!!
Quote from: unreliablesource on May 03, 2009, 03:51:37 PM
Yep, he posts his comments from a library in Columbus, Ohio.
Where did ya get that idea from? ???
Quote from: charky on May 04, 2009, 09:03:27 AM
The only thing you'll find me complaining about is that it's either too hot or too cold...or that maybe I should have had a beer or three instead of my run.
There's PLENTY of open trails for running. Be crazy...try different paths! Or goodness...run on the west side of the river. Or crap...just open your front door and go!
I'm incredibly proud of what our city is doing with the trail system. It's top-notch!!
OK so your not a runner. That's a sport I enjoy. go polk fun.
Quote from: sauerkraut on May 04, 2009, 11:01:17 AM
OK so your not a runner. That's a sport I enjoy. go polk fun.
Actually I am a runner...30-35 miles a week. Countless 5Ks/10Ks...half a dozen half marathons and one full marathon under my belt.
I just don't obsess over the condition of the Riverside trails. I take them for what they are...great and getting better!
Quote from: sauerkraut on May 04, 2009, 11:00:11 AM
Where did ya get that idea from? ???
uh, kraut, ::) this is GG from The Breakroom. Have known you for years, unfortunately.
With the clearing weather runners can get out there and do a few miles before the storms hit this evening. I'll be out there on the north section wearing blue shoes and black shorts and a stop watch in my hand. :)
Quote from: sauerkraut on May 07, 2009, 02:49:12 PM
With the clearing weather runners can get out there and do a few miles before the storms hit this evening. I'll be out there on the north section wearing blue shoes and black shorts and a stop watch in my hand. :)
You're actually in Tulsa? I'd come see it with my own eyes so I could believe it, but I have to go work in another state tonight. :p
Quote from: nathanm on May 07, 2009, 02:52:35 PM
You're actually in Tulsa? I'd come see it with my own eyes so I could believe it, but I have to go work in another state tonight. :p
I fly out Saturday, My business ends Friday evening. I work in Marketing. I should be back in June for a few days.
Anyone know of plans to return the mile markers to the new trail? Doesn't seem necessary to wait until the entire trail is complete. I'd like to see markers every quarter mile with a larger trail map at 21st, 31st, 41st, etc. with distances for popular paths, e.g. the big and small loops around Zink Lake, or just distances for each major segment of the trail. Would really improve the functionality.
I wondered about markers too. Hilti installed the last set that were on the east side.
I saw that the trail south of Crow Creek as both asphalt and gravel surfaces which is cool. Most people seem to prefer the wider asphalt portion.
Quote from: carltonplace on May 26, 2009, 10:12:27 AM
I wondered about markers too. Hilti installed the last set that were on the east side.
I saw that the trail south of Crow Creek as both asphalt and gravel surfaces which is cool. Most people seem to prefer the wider asphalt portion.
I run with a GPS watch...so it's not as much of an issue. I just assumed that the trail markers would be put back in as a "finishing touch". I'll ask some workers next time I'm running at the river. Maybe they'll know something.
And yes...the gravel portion south of Crow Creek (and along the newly opened section) is nice. Too bad it wasn't installed north of Crow Creek. Wonder if they got some feedback and decided to add to the south sections.
Quote from: charky on May 04, 2009, 01:14:27 PM
Actually I am a runner...30-35 miles a week. Countless 5Ks/10Ks...half a dozen half marathons and one full marathon under my belt.
I just don't obsess over the condition of the Riverside trails. I take them for what they are...great and getting better!
Without the trails you'd be running on the streets facing threats from passing cars and getting hit with beer cans and other things passing cars throw. I ran on the streets before and had my share of things thrown at me from cars. No more I only run on the trails. I support the trails and encourage cities to build more of them and improve the trails they currently have.
Quote from: charky on May 26, 2009, 04:37:01 PM
I run with a GPS watch...so it's not as much of an issue. I just assumed that the trail markers would be put back in as a "finishing touch". I'll ask some workers next time I'm running at the river. Maybe they'll know something.
And yes...the gravel portion south of Crow Creek (and along the newly opened section) is nice. Too bad it wasn't installed north of Crow Creek. Wonder if they got some feedback and decided to add to the south sections.
Yes that is one thing I noticed, I like the mile markers. The trails in Omaha are marked every 1/10 of a mile with a disc buried in the pavement. I ran a section of the new RiverSide trail Sunday Morn. I did a hard 4-miler... I parked at the lot by 40th street. The new trail is darn nice, I don't know of any other trails that keep runners and bike riders seprate but I like it, no more bikes wizzing past. I'll tell ya one thing that new section of trail seems a bit "Califorian" to me, it reminds me of the Santa-Monica Bike trail in California, with the playground, kids running about, SunShine, blue skys, and heavy trail traffic with the river water near by- the only thing missing is the surfboards and the swimmers.
The one thing I noticed is sections of the new trail seem very close to the river, at one area just south of the playground the trail comes to about 10' of the river, I wonder if in time erosion will eat away the River bank & land and the trail. A section of the Olentangy Bike-Jog trail in Columbus, Ohio fell into the Olentangy River from erosion back in the mid-1990's, (when the Olentangy trail was built it was 30' from the river bank). The area by the playground has alot of big rocks to protect the riverbank from erosion, but the rocks stop when the playground ends. I think they need to make sure river bank erosion won't be a problem. :-X
Quote from: sauerkraut on May 31, 2009, 01:52:50 PM
The one thing I noticed is sections of the new trail seem very close to the river, at one area just south of the playground the trail comes to about 10' of the river, I wonder if in time erosion will eat away the River bank & land and the trail. A section of the Olentangy Bike-Jog trail in Columbus, Ohio fell into the Olentangy River from erosion back in the mid-1990's, (when the Olentangy trail was built it was 30' from the river bank). The area by the playground has alot of big rocks to protect the riverbank from erosion, but the rocks stop when the playground ends. I think they need to make sure river bank erosion won't be a problem. :-X
The trails have been here since the 1970's and though erosion is a perpetual problem, none of the path has sunken into the river. Before the paths, I ran along a footpath near the river that was unpaved. Cross country style. Some of it is still there. It is quite expensive to rip/rap every area where it runs close to the river. I suspect they will attack it piecemeal until money is available to fortify the banks. They will either re-route the path farther in or strengthen the embankment at weak points.
Quote from: waterboy on May 31, 2009, 04:02:49 PM
The trails have been here since the 1970's and though erosion is a perpetual problem, none of the path has sunken into the river. Before the paths, I ran along a footpath near the river that was unpaved. Cross country style. Some of it is still there. It is quite expensive to rip/rap every area where it runs close to the river. I suspect they will attack it piecemeal until money is available to fortify the banks. They will either re-route the path farther in or strengthen the embankment at weak points.
That's good news to hear. I don't know how bad a problem erosion is on the Arkansas River. Anyhoo, the erosion I seen just south of the new playground did seem serious to me, one chain-link fence post fell into the abyss and that is not far from the new trail, they had lots of room to build the trail farther away from the river bank. Like I mentioned above, back in the 1990's a section of the Olentangy Bike Trail in Columbus, Ohio fell into the Olentangy River, the river bank had severe erosion and the trail was about 12" away from the abyss for about a year and no one did anything about it, no one tryed to fix it or build up the riverbank- the city just left it, Then one night after a big storm the river claimed the trail and a few big trees along the river bank, only then did they re-build the trail farther away and shore up the riverbank.
The new trail sections do look nice, My guess and hope is they will put up the mile markers when the job is done. The far south end where the old trail is still open has the mile markers there.
I did some Running on the RiverSide trail Sunday afternoon, the weather was great, the trail was busy and finding a parking spot was a bear. Tulsa needs to expand that parking lot at 45th & Riverside Drive where the Playground is, they have room to expand it South & North. I had to park at the lot around 21st & Riverside. I got to hand it to Tulsa they did a nice job building that trail and the little extra landings on the riverbank are nice. I wish they would focus on building the trail first and get that done & open then worry about the frills at a latter date. That closed off section is a real pain. :-\
Quote from: sauerkraut on June 08, 2009, 09:23:07 AM
I did some Running on the RiverSide trail Sunday afternoon, the weather was great, the trail was busy and finding a parking spot was a bear. Tulsa needs to expand that parking lot at 45th & Riverside Drive where the Playground is, they have room to expand it South & North. I had to park at the lot around 21st & Riverside. I got to hand it to Tulsa they did a nice job building that trail and the little extra landings on the riverbank are nice. I wish they would focus on building the trail first and get that done & open then worry about the frills at a latter date. That closed off section is a real pain. :-\
Yeah, I'm sure the City will get right on that suggestion from a non-resident.
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Quote from: Hoss on June 08, 2009, 09:28:25 AM
Yeah, I'm sure the City will get right on that suggestion from a non-resident.
::)
I'm sure everyone would want more parking no matter who they are. That lot on 45th fills up fast on weekends. More parking is badly needed, the jogging trail is heavley used on weekends- Runners & cyclists using the trail -and families using the playground all park there. A big problem I found is dog poop all over. Mile after mile along side the trail there is a poop pile in the grass. Very disgusting.
Quote from: sauerkraut on June 08, 2009, 09:40:59 AM
I'm sure everyone would want more parking no matter who they are. That lot on 45th fills up fast on weekends. More parking is badly needed, the jogging trail is heavley used on weekends- Runners & cyclists using the trail -and families using the playground all park there.
What about parking some where else and "
jogging" to the jogging trail?
-or-
Park at 11th St? Or on the west bank in the GIANT parking lot next to the west festival park
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Park in my neighborhood where everyone walks to the river instead of driving
Quote from: sauerkraut on June 08, 2009, 09:40:59 AM
A big problem I found is dog poop all over. Mile after mile along side the trail there is a poop pile in the grass. Very disgusting.
That is from the waterfowl you silly goose.
Quote from: carltonplace on June 08, 2009, 12:47:17 PM
What about parking some where else and "jogging" to the jogging trail?
-or-
Park at 11th St? Or on the west bank in the GIANT parking lot next to the west festival park
-or-
Park in my neighborhood where everyone walks to the river instead of driving
That is from the waterfowl you silly goose.
That won't work for me since I don't run on streets & roads, I did that before and had many close calls with cars and had all sorts of things thrown at me, cars & runners don't mix. I'm only a trail runner now where you don't have to worry about motor traffic. Maybe Riveside parking will open up once the other parking lots re-open from all the const. work south of 54th..
Quote from: sauerkraut on June 08, 2009, 01:46:19 PM
That won't work for me since I don't run on streets & roads, I did that before and had many close calls with cars and had all sorts of things thrown at me, cars & runners don't mix. I'm only a trail runner now where you don't have to worry about motor traffic. Maybe Riveside parking will open up once the other parking lots re-open from all the const. work south of 54th..
And you lie.
If parking sucks at 45th or 21st, I highly recommend the parking lot at Turkey Mountain. Lots of off-the-path natural trails for you to try...
Quote from: Conan71 on June 08, 2009, 02:47:35 PM
If parking sucks at 45th or 21st, I highly recommend the parking lot at Turkey Mountain. Lots of off-the-path natural trails for you to try...
Hardeehar!
Quote from: sauerkraut on June 08, 2009, 01:46:19 PM
That won't work for me since I don't run on streets & roads, I did that before and had many close calls with cars and had all sorts of things thrown at me, cars & runners don't mix. I'm only a trail runner now where you don't have to worry about motor traffic. Maybe Riveside parking will open up once the other parking lots re-open from all the const. work south of 54th..
Why would parking at 11th street and Riverside less than 10 feet from the trail not work?
What is wrong with 31st Street and taking the pedestrian bridge to the trail?
There are many parking options that will allow you to avoid being placed in harms way by motorists, without the need to add additional parking at 41st St to accomodate you.
I don't know how to keep people from throwing stuff at you..I run on city streets every day and that has never happened to me. Do you run like quasimodo or the elephant man or Phoebe?
Quote from: carltonplace on June 08, 2009, 02:55:56 PM
Do you run like quasimodo or the elephant man or Phoebe?
HA, I'm betting Phoebe
to sauerkraut's credit there is a lot of dog **** along side the trails.
i know dog **** & i know goose **** and this is decidedly dog.
I've seen it right in the middle of the pedestrian bridge on several occasions, and brother, that wasn't from the waterfowl.
What kind of inconsiderate a-hole lets their dog **** right in the middle of a path.
Oh yeah...I guess I forgot where we live...with an exception here & there.
Quote from: Conan71 on June 08, 2009, 02:47:35 PM
If parking sucks at 45th or 21st, I highly recommend the parking lot at Turkey Mountain. Lots of off-the-path natural trails for you to try...
Heh heh.
Or park in the BIG parking lot at 31st...and use the bridge to get to the trail.
I don't want more parking lots...especially at 41st.
Quote from: carltonplace on June 08, 2009, 02:55:56 PM
Why would parking at 11th street and Riverside less than 10 feet from the trail not work?
What is wrong with 31st Street and taking the pedestrian bridge to the trail?
There are many parking options that will allow you to avoid being placed in harms way by motorists, without the need to add additional parking at 41st St to accomodate you.
I don't know how to keep people from throwing stuff at you..I run on city streets every day and that has never happened to me. Do you run like quasimodo or the elephant man or Phoebe?
I have to agree. There is no reason to pave over more park for cars. It is real easy to park nearby and jog a block or so. The westbank parking lots near the Rowing Club, the Skate Park and PSO soccer fields are near empty all the time. And I'm not seeing much dog poo north of 31st, mostly goose stuff. Sick geese. It's those Brooksiders and their dogs south of 31st I guess.
But Carlton, it is not uncommon to have redneck hicks in trucks slow down and yell, whistle or throw stuff at runners and walkers. Hasn't happened to me lately but occassionally someone very jealous of my obvious runners physique ;) has given me a few taunts. I ducked a beer can once and politely acknowledged some rather drunk (vision impaired) females who whistled and yelled at me. It happens.
Oh, yeah, this evening an obviously messed up guy was yelling and screaming at people around the old Rivers Edge cafe. I see it as "walking graffiti".
Quote from: waterboy on June 08, 2009, 08:47:23 PM
But Carlton, it is not uncommon to have redneck hicks in trucks slow down and yell, whistle or throw stuff at runners and walkers. Hasn't happened to me lately but occassionally someone very jealous of my obvious runners physique ;) has given me a few taunts. I ducked a beer can once and politely acknowledged some rather drunk (vision impaired) females who whistled and yelled at me. It happens.
I've never had anything thrown at me but I've got a few taunts and yells...especially from cars waiting for the stoplight at Riverside/I44. I'll just wave it off...or invite them to finish my run with me. Haven't had a taker yet.
Quote from: charky on June 09, 2009, 09:06:01 AM
I've never had anything thrown at me but I've got a few taunts and yells...especially from cars waiting for the stoplight at Riverside/I44. I'll just wave it off...or invite them to finish my run with me. Haven't had a taker yet.
Taunts from cars are a real problem for runners (and I guess cyclists have problems with cars too) and for a cute female runner traffic taunts can be worse, I have had beer cans chucked at me when I ran on the streets, I had cars come up slow behind me and honk the horn & yell and things like that. This was on Collins Road & Sanford Road in Arlington, Texas in the early 1980's... I did not want to drive the 15 miles down to the Fort Worth Trinity Bike Trail just to run a few miles and fight the rush hour traffic on I-30. I gave up street running it's not worth it plus you breath in car fumes, We had runners struck by hit & run drivers. I stay on the trails where it's safe.
Quote from: charky on June 08, 2009, 06:04:47 PM
Heh heh.
Or park in the BIG parking lot at 31st...and use the bridge to get to the trail.
I don't want more parking lots...especially at 41st.
Heh heh heh, Your right, It is a big lot with lots of parking room, however, many cars have been broken into there, you can see broken car window glass on the pavement. On my last run I parked at the lot on 21st & Riverside. There was room. Normally I like to park on the south end of the trail but with all that construction going on there, I have been running on the north end. :-\
Quote from: PepePeru on June 08, 2009, 03:47:21 PM
to sauerkraut's credit there is a lot of dog **** along side the trails.
i know dog **** & i know goose **** and this is decidedly dog.
I've seen it right in the middle of the pedestrian bridge on several occasions, and brother, that wasn't from the waterfowl.
What kind of inconsiderate a-hole lets their dog **** right in the middle of a path.
Oh yeah...I guess I forgot where we live...with an exception here & there.
Your correct, There is also alot of waterfoul dung in certain areas of the trail, but that's not as bad as the dog poo.. I'm strongly in favor of banning dogs from the trail totally, What's wrong with using the dog parks the city built? That's what they are for. The trail is for people to use and not have worry about dog dung all over. It's pretty darn bad, there is dog dung every few feet in the grass along the trail. I seen dog owners stand & watch as the dog dumps a load in the grass and they just walk away without cleaning it up. A few careless dog owners can spoil it for everyone. The dogs can ruin the whole grassy area of the Riverside parks where kids play and people toss frisbees.
Quote from: sauerkraut on June 09, 2009, 09:54:06 AM
Your correct, There is also alot of waterfoul dung in certain areas of the trail, but that's not as bad as the dog poo.. I'm strongly in favor of banning dogs from the trail totally, What's wrong with using the dog parks the city built? That's what they are for. The trail is for people to use and not have worry about dog dung all over. It's pretty darn bad, there is dog dung every few feet in the grass along the trail. I seen dog owners stand & watch as the dog dumps a load in the grass and they just walk away without cleaning it up. A few careless dog owners can spoil it for everyone. The dogs can ruin the whole grassy area of the Riverside parks where kids play and people toss frisbees.
Almost everyone has a cameraphone these days. I've often thought we should setup a website where people can send cameraphone pics of people committing certain minor offenses for public haranguing.
Quote from: waterboy on June 08, 2009, 08:47:23 PM
But Carlton, it is not uncommon to have redneck hicks in trucks slow down and yell, whistle or throw stuff at runners and walkers. Hasn't happened to me lately but occassionally someone very jealous of my obvious runners physique ;) has given me a few taunts. I ducked a beer can once and politely acknowledged some rather drunk (vision impaired) females who whistled and yelled at me. It happens.
Oh, yeah, this evening an obviously messed up guy was yelling and screaming at people around the old Rivers Edge cafe. I see it as "walking graffiti".
Darn, I was enjoying my mind tube video of sauerk running like Phoebe down the trails.
Quote from: charky on June 09, 2009, 09:06:01 AM
I've never had anything thrown at me but I've got a few taunts and yells...especially from cars waiting for the stoplight at Riverside/I44. I'll just wave it off...or invite them to finish my run with me. Haven't had a taker yet.
Once, I had a motorcycle offer to race bikes with me. It was probably the funniest and friendliest taunt that I'd received.
That tragic accident in SandSprings where two cyclists got killed by a SUV and a 3rd cyclist is in the hospital says it all, motor traffic and bikes/joggers don't mix. That was a very horrific crash. That's why I stick to trail running only. BTW I ran from north 45th street to 15th street Tuesday afternoon on the Riverside Trail and I have to admit the new Riverside Park really looks great, all those frills, whistles & bells paid off. The two river cross over trails are are nifty. They did a great job. If I designed it I'd have just rebuilt the trail and make it wider, tossed in a few park benchs and drinking fountains and called it done. Tulsa has alot to be proud of. Most other trails I run are bland nothing but 10' wide pavement with a yellow line down the center.
Thanks for the compliment and thanks GK for the nifty new trails
Quote from: carltonplace on June 08, 2009, 02:55:56 PM
Why would parking at 11th street and Riverside less than 10 feet from the trail not work?
What is wrong with 31st Street and taking the pedestrian bridge to the trail?
There are many parking options that will allow you to avoid being placed in harms way by motorists, without the need to add additional parking at 41st St to accomodate you.
I don't know how to keep people from throwing stuff at you..I run on city streets every day and that has never happened to me. Do you run like quasimodo or the elephant man or Phoebe?
I parked there yesterday when I went for a quick jog and it is not that bad, I parked right near that wooden train track bridge. There was alot of workers out cutting the grass and fixing up the area. Many fishermen were out on the dam. The area is really fixed up nice. Good job "T"-Town! :D
Quote from: sauerkraut on June 11, 2009, 09:56:46 AM
I parked there yesterday when I went for a quick jog and it is not that bad, I parked right near that wooden train track bridge. There was alot of workers out cutting the grass and fixing up the area. Many fishermen were out on the dam. The area is really fixed up nice. Good job "T"-Town! :D
OK, post a photo of a Tulsa World dated today.
BTW as I was running on Riverside Tuesday, just south that wooden cross-over bridge at that ramp they were pulling a SUV out of the river. It was gray in color and had it's top crushed in - I have no idea what that was about or who found it, maybe the high water level over the weekend washed the SUV down over the dam or something, I did not see them pull it out of the water, they already had the thing on the cement ramp trying to load it on a wrecker as I went past. A few people were standing around watching the wrecker crew work and it looked like two cops were there looking the SUV over~ ???
Quote from: sauerkraut on June 12, 2009, 02:45:33 PM
BTW as I was running on Riverside Tuesday, just south that wooden cross-over bridge at that ramp they were pulling a SUV out of the river. It was gray in color and had it's top crushed in - I have no idea what that was about or who found it, maybe the high water level over the weekend washed the SUV down over the dam or something, I did not see them pull it out of the water, they already had the thing on the cement ramp trying to load it on a wrecker as I went past. A few people were standing around watching the wrecker crew work and it looked like two cops were there looking the SUV over~ ???
Where's that picture of you and the Tulsa World proving you to be here?
I can pull up that picture of the SUV and pretend I was there too.
Picture of you and a Tulsa World dated that day in an area we can identify or you continue to come off as a liar.
Either that or show up at a bar of your choice and I'll bring the camera and affidavit.
Quote from: Townsend on June 12, 2009, 03:02:55 PM
Where's that picture of you and the Tulsa World proving you to be here?
I can pull up that picture of the SUV and pretend I was there too.
Picture of you and a Tulsa World dated that day in an area we can identify or you continue to come off as a liar.
Either that or show up at a bar of your choice and I'll bring the camera and affidavit.
I don't have to prove nothing to you, if you don't believe me or like my opinions that's your problem. That's like the guy who asked Sean Hannity to submit to waterboarding to prove that it's not torture, wisely Sean turned it down what will that prove? (except to give the other guy some kind of jollies that he got Sean Hannity to waterboard himself) I also don't do "dares" or "double dog dares"... I may stop in if I have time to a meet or greet in Tulsa and just say 'hi' or something like that, other than that I have nothing to prove to anyone except myself... geeesh! :-\
Quote from: sauerkraut on June 13, 2009, 09:31:12 AM
I don't have to prove nothing to you, if you don't believe me or like my opinions that's your problem. That's like the guy who asked Sean Hannity to submit to waterboarding to prove that it's not torture, wisely Sean turned it down what will that prove? (except to give the other guy some kind of jollies that he got Sean Hannity to waterboard himself) I also don't do "dares" or "double dog dares"... I may stop in if I have time to a meet or greet in Tulsa and just say 'hi' or something like that, other than that I have nothing to prove to anyone except myself... geeesh! :-\
Then append every post you make about our city 'not a resident'. You try too much to sound like one.
Quote from: Hoss on June 13, 2009, 05:34:56 PM
Then append every post you make about our city 'not a resident'. You try too much to sound like one.
I've been in Tulsa alot lately since we have alot of customers there. Tulsa is like a second city for me. I just came back from spending 7 days there- Both for business and job hunting. I'm surprised how much the booming job market of last year just dryed up and vanished. I have lived in 5 cities: Detroit, Fort Worth, Arlington Texas, Omaha, NE, and Columbus, Ohio so I know a bit about those cities too.
Quote from: sauerkraut on June 14, 2009, 12:39:09 PM
I've been in Tulsa alot lately since we have alot of customers there. Tulsa is like a second city for me. I just came back from spending 7 days there- Both for business and job hunting. I'm surprised how much the booming job market of last year just dryed up and vanished. I have lived in 5 cities: Detroit, Fort Worth, Arlington Texas, Omaha, NE, and Columbus, Ohio so I know a bit about those cities too.
Just because you've been here doesn't make you a resident. Are you registered to vote in a Tulsa precinct?
Guess what: I am.
Quote from: Hoss on June 14, 2009, 01:29:10 PM
Just because you've been here doesn't make you a resident. Are you registered to vote in a Tulsa precinct?
Guess what: I am.
I'm not a voter anywhere... Anyhoo, This forum is about "T" Towne and what goes on, in and around Green Country and "T" town, and it's for people who are intrested in "T" Town... Not everyone who posts here is a Tulsa resident or votes. This is not a forum about attacking sauerkraut. I give my views and opinions about the places I been to in Tulsa, and everything I say is accurate. :-X
Noticed that some the of mile markers (actually half mile markers) have been installed from around I-44 to the zero mile marker at 11th St. bridge/Southwest Blvd. Circular concrete markers...probably 10" in diameter...embedded flush into the asphalt trails. 2 sets of numbers...inverted...so you can read them going either direction and a nice leaf design in the center. They look sharp.
River Parks Authority FB post:
QuoteSome GREAT news out of this morning's monthly board meeting: River Parks, the City of Tulsa, and the Muscogee Creek Nation are earnestly negotiating the movement of of the trail from 79th to 87th & Riverside to behind the River Spirit Casino. This has been a priority for River Parks for some time. These negotiations are the furthest progression in these talks thus far.
Saw that following the last "REAL" snow we got a couple weeks ago that the RP bike/jogging trails were cleared off even though Riverside was not. Gotta have our priorities.
Quote from: guido911 on February 27, 2013, 10:49:34 PM
Saw that following the last "REAL" snow we got a couple weeks ago that the RP bike/jogging trails were cleared off even though Riverside was not. Gotta have our priorities.
River Parks Authority is not a city entity.
So we clear the river trails. We don't clear sidewalks, nor do we require anyone to do so. We don't even care if you push all that snow from your parking lot onto the sidewalk and pile it up into a mound that takes a month to melt.
Quote from: TheTed on February 28, 2013, 11:43:01 AM
So we clear the river trails. We don't clear sidewalks, nor do we require anyone to do so. We don't even care if you push all that snow from your parking lot onto the sidewalk and pile it up into a mound that takes a month to melt.
From the township where I grew up.
http://www.springfielddelco.org/government/code-enforcement/code-permit-highlights.php
Sec. 120.6
Requires snow removal from sidewalks within 24 hours after snowfall.
Great moneymaker for teens.
Quote from: carltonplace on February 28, 2013, 11:11:31 AM
River Parks Authority is not a city entity.
Come on CP, I know what it's legal status is. I just find it unusual (and it appears to me dumb) with 2-3 inches of snow on the ground to see clear jogging trails while the roads leading to the trails are covered in snow. This is to say nothing about the use of government resources/dollars--regardless how budgeted/allocated--for exercise when the resources/dollars could be spent on clearing roads. Just me.
RPA has their own crew. They raise private dollars and receive public money to maintain the river trail. They are doing what they are charged with, maintaining it by keeping it clear. I'd be more upset if they weren't doing what they were charged with and I'm not even a regular user of the trail.
Quote from: rdj on March 01, 2013, 08:48:19 AM
RPA has their own crew. They raise private dollars and receive public money to maintain the river trail. They are doing what they are charged with, maintaining it by keeping it clear. I'd be more upset if they weren't doing what they were charged with and I'm not even a regular user of the trail.
If you find that spending public money on clearing jogging trails when the roads are a mess (and which impacts far more people), that's you. There is a finite amount of public money and to me using it in that fashion is nonsensical and should be reexamined. Again, just me.
Quote from: guido911 on March 02, 2013, 02:07:02 PM
If you find that spending public money on clearing jogging trails when the roads are a mess (and which impacts far more people), that's you. There is a finite amount of public money and to me using it in that fashion is nonsensical and should be reexamined. Again, just me.
RPA is a not for profit entity. Maybe they used donations to clear the jogging trails? I'm happy that they do this, it gives me a place to run that is not on a treadmill.
Quote from: carltonplace on March 04, 2013, 11:42:14 AM
RPA is a not for profit entity. Maybe they used donations to clear the jogging trails? I'm happy that they do this, it gives me a place to run that is not on a treadmill.
You were running on those trails after the snowpacalypse? And don't get me wrong, authorities provide important services--and RFP is no different. It just strikes me that: "Yeah, our roads look like sh!t and there are car wrecks everywhere because of snow, but just look at our jogging/bike trails!!".
Yea, it's still an interesting run even though the trails are plowed there are often large icy patches. Running shoes are not exactly ice friendly.
Quote from: carltonplace on March 04, 2013, 01:15:26 PM
Yea, it's still an interesting run even though the trails are plowed there are often large icy patches. Running shoes are not exactly ice friendly.
Try some
snow tires ice cleats.
http://www.runnersworld.com/other-gear/review-ice-cleats
All this means is that we should turn over the streets and an appropriate budget to the River Parks Authority. The River Parks Authority seems to operate without much drama, quietly getting the job done on time and within budget. The city's street maintenance department is a mess.
Quote from: guido911 on March 04, 2013, 12:58:24 PM
You were running on those trails after the snowpacalypse? And don't get me wrong, authorities provide important services--and RFP is no different. It just strikes me that: "Yeah, our roads look like sh!t and there are car wrecks everywhere because of snow, but just look at our jogging/bike trails!!".
I have a set of YakTrax Pros. They are a life saver on ice. You don't have to be a jogger to benefit, and they're useful on sidewalks, too. They even fit on dress shoes.
Quote from: Red Arrow on March 04, 2013, 01:57:44 PM
Try some snow tires ice cleats.
http://www.runnersworld.com/other-gear/review-ice-cleats
Quote from: cynical on March 04, 2013, 02:25:44 PM
All this means is that we should turn over the streets and an appropriate budget to the River Parks Authority. The River Parks Authority seems to operate without much drama, quietly getting the job done on time and within budget. The city's street maintenance department is a mess.
You are on to something there...
Construction has begun to reconnect the trail at 11th St to New Block Park/Crosbie Heights and to the new I244 bridge
Also, the west bank trail is under construction, I think to bring it in to synch with the new wider trails.
Nearby at Riverside Dr and Denver all of the apartment buildings have been leveled up to 18th St, not sure what is planned for this parcel.
I had not been on the trail between 71st and 81st for awhile...it has also been reconstructed and is very scenic right now with lots of wildflowers growing up to the trail.
Quote from: carltonplace on July 08, 2014, 08:50:25 AM
Construction has begun to reconnect the trail at 11th St to New Block Park/Crosbie Heights and to the new I244 bridge
Also, the west bank trail is under construction, I think to bring it in to synch with the new wider trails.
Nearby at Riverside Dr and Denver all of the apartment buildings have been leveled up to 18th St, not sure what is planned for this parcel.
I had not been on the trail between 71st and 81st for awhile...it has also been reconstructed and is very scenic right now with lots of wildflowers growing up to the trail.
It no longer resembles a desert which is it's nickname on Strava.
I did a 4-miler Sunday afternoon on the RiverSide trails, I finished a bit before 4:pm, my bum left knee is hurting my timing & pace but my knee is improving, anyhow at 5:pm Channel 6 was there doing a live report about the Riverside trail and the 100 degree weather. So maybe if I was there latter the channel 6 newsgirl would of interviewed me even though I was soaked in sweat when I finished, some EMS units were there to. BTW I was on Fox News back in April 2014 when I did the Boston Marathon Tribute 3-mile run at Yale & 61st street, Fox News was out there filming it and I saw myself on TV on the evening news cast- I was only on screen for about 5 seconds coming in with my group of runners. Fleet Feet at Yale & 61st put on the Boston Tribute run. We went out running in groups of about 15-20 runners.
I have not been down to the Casino area of the RiverSide Trail, but I hope they have started work on moving the jogging trail to the back of the casino. It will be great when finished not to have to run across the casino driveway anymore dodging traffic and crazy drivers. They should of put the trail back there in the first place
The RiverSide 5000, 5K Race is next Saturday August 16, anyone here going to run in it? I plan to run it I ran it last year and the year before that. The main race starts at 8:am and the Elite Race starts at 7:30 am. I had some knee problems since May 17th, when I hurt my left knee training for the FullMoon 5K Race, my knee seems to be healing fine now- it better be it's been almost 3 months. I guess I pulled something in the knee. The race course is up & down RiverSide Drive starting from 96th street. The course goes up to the Casino and back and half way out again and back into the finishline. The cops will have Riverside drive closed down for the big race event. :)
http://www.tulsarunner.com/riverside-5000/ >>>> It's a flat fast course so this would be the race to set your best PR time.
I'll be the guy riding a bike through the race field.