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Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on September 18, 2008, 08:27:01 AM
Apparently, since I do not want to pay higher taxes, I am unpatriotic:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ijhWY4xbOaT6L788T-6b9FgI2dKAD9393ULG3

Guess my military service means jack to this draft dodger.
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: iplaw on September 18, 2008, 08:46:07 AM
One aspect of finances that I really don't understand from the "Average Joe" ticket of Obama/Biden is the collective lack of charitable giving from these people.

They don't mind you being forced into giving your money to the federal government, but when it comes to voluntary charitable giving these guys hide under the table.

This seems to be a common theme amongst liberals in general, but most notably those who are rabid about raising taxes.
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: grahambino on September 18, 2008, 08:55:59 AM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

Apparently, since I do not want to pay higher taxes, I am unpatriotic:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ijhWY4xbOaT6L788T-6b9FgI2dKAD9393ULG3

Guess my military service means jack to this draft dodger.



Republicans are treating the war as their version of the Little Red Hen.  Who wants to SAY they "SUPPORT DA TROOPS SUPPORT DA TROOPS". i do!  I do, I just put a flag magnet on my car, I'm patriotic!  Look at me!!!

Who wants to PAY to "SUPPORT DA TROOPS SUPPORT DA TROOPS".  

*crickets*

Oh wait, what's that in the distance?  I see a hand up... Who is that?  Oh, that's right...  the Chinese government!!

Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: iplaw on September 18, 2008, 09:02:37 AM
All I can say is that I hope they keep running of the platform of raising taxes.  No quicker way to put nails in the coffin of a presidential campaign.

This guy provides republicans with unlimited ammunition.
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: we vs us on September 18, 2008, 09:05:39 AM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

Apparently, since I do not want to pay higher taxes, I am unpatriotic:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ijhWY4xbOaT6L788T-6b9FgI2dKAD9393ULG3

Guess my military service means jack to this draft dodger.



And the two of those things are related . . . how?
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on September 18, 2008, 09:12:12 AM
quote:
Originally posted by we vs us

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

Apparently, since I do not want to pay higher taxes, I am unpatriotic:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ijhWY4xbOaT6L788T-6b9FgI2dKAD9393ULG3

Guess my military service means jack to this draft dodger.



And the two of those things are related . . . how?



If the two things are paying taxes and patriotism (Biden's statement), I have no idea how they are related.

Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: we vs us on September 18, 2008, 09:13:46 AM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:
Originally posted by we vs us

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

Apparently, since I do not want to pay higher taxes, I am unpatriotic:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ijhWY4xbOaT6L788T-6b9FgI2dKAD9393ULG3

Guess my military service means jack to this draft dodger.



And the two of those things are related . . . how?



If the two things are paying taxes and patriotism (Biden's statement), I have no idea how they are related.





I was thinking more about taxes and your military service.
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: RecycleMichael on September 18, 2008, 09:14:25 AM
They are related because Dick Cheney is vice-president and Biden wants to be vice president.

Biden had a medical discharge from military service, Cheney just said he was too busy.

I wonder if guido ever called Cheney a draft-dodger?
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on September 18, 2008, 09:14:28 AM
quote:
Originally posted by grahambino

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

Apparently, since I do not want to pay higher taxes, I am unpatriotic:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ijhWY4xbOaT6L788T-6b9FgI2dKAD9393ULG3

Guess my military service means jack to this draft dodger.



Republicans are treating the war as their version of the Little Red Hen.  Who wants to SAY they "SUPPORT DA TROOPS SUPPORT DA TROOPS". i do!  I do, I just put a flag magnet on my car, I'm patriotic!  Look at me!!!

Who wants to PAY to "SUPPORT DA TROOPS SUPPORT DA TROOPS".  

*crickets*

Oh wait, what's that in the distance?  I see a hand up... Who is that?  Oh, that's right...  the Chinese government!!





I take it you agree with Biden then.
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: grahambino on September 18, 2008, 10:01:56 AM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:
Originally posted by grahambino

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

Apparently, since I do not want to pay higher taxes, I am unpatriotic:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ijhWY4xbOaT6L788T-6b9FgI2dKAD9393ULG3

Guess my military service means jack to this draft dodger.



Republicans are treating the war as their version of the Little Red Hen.  Who wants to SAY they "SUPPORT DA TROOPS SUPPORT DA TROOPS". i do!  I do, I just put a flag magnet on my car, I'm patriotic!  Look at me!!!

Who wants to PAY to "SUPPORT DA TROOPS SUPPORT DA TROOPS".  

*crickets*

Oh wait, what's that in the distance?  I see a hand up... Who is that?  Oh, that's right...  the Chinese government!!





I take it you agree with Biden then.



Yes, I agree with Biden.
I don't agree with you.
Big difference, there.  What you said is NOT what Biden said.

Deficit spending to support a war and DA TROOPS, bankrupting the government all on the "Chinese Credit Card", b/c the richest Americans don't want to pay their share.

Now, that's what I call PATRIOTIC!

and somehow, I have a sneaking suspicion you won't be the slightest bit affected by this tax increase on people earning 250k+

but again its the internet, so I'm quite sure you're earning a cool 500k a year, have 2 Bentleys in the garage, and an 8000 sq. ft palatial estate...
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on September 19, 2008, 09:30:45 AM
quote:
Originally posted by grahambino

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:
Originally posted by grahambino

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

Apparently, since I do not want to pay higher taxes, I am unpatriotic:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ijhWY4xbOaT6L788T-6b9FgI2dKAD9393ULG3

Guess my military service means jack to this draft dodger.



Republicans are treating the war as their version of the Little Red Hen.  Who wants to SAY they "SUPPORT DA TROOPS SUPPORT DA TROOPS". i do!  I do, I just put a flag magnet on my car, I'm patriotic!  Look at me!!!

Who wants to PAY to "SUPPORT DA TROOPS SUPPORT DA TROOPS".  

*crickets*

Oh wait, what's that in the distance?  I see a hand up... Who is that?  Oh, that's right...  the Chinese government!!





I take it you agree with Biden then.



Yes, I agree with Biden.
I don't agree with you.
Big difference, there.  What you said is NOT what Biden said.

Deficit spending to support a war and DA TROOPS, bankrupting the government all on the "Chinese Credit Card", b/c the richest Americans don't want to pay their share.

Now, that's what I call PATRIOTIC!

and somehow, I have a sneaking suspicion you won't be the slightest bit affected by this tax increase on people earning 250k+

but again its the internet, so I'm quite sure you're earning a cool 500k a year, have 2 Bentleys in the garage, and an 8000 sq. ft palatial estate...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpb4ldtsFz4&eurl=http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/19/mccain-ad-patriotic-act/


Incidentally, can you tell me how paying more taxes makes one "patriotic"? I have the sneaking suspicion your head is way up your rear on connecting patriotism to higher taxes.

Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: grahambino on September 19, 2008, 11:52:11 AM
So PATRIOTISM® to you is this:

Paying less money to support the men & women fighting for your FREEDOM® in Iraq. Because,  guido911 apparently gets paid an alleged 250k+ a year to argue on the internet all day.  Working so hard for that money & doesn't feel like he should pay his share.  Meanwhile, the Grunts in Iraq keep earning that super sweet $19,000 a year.

Paying less to care wounded warriors that fought & were injured fighting for your FREEDOM® in Afghanistan.

Okay, congrats. You're now on the same level as James Brown.  
Except he was talented & able to write a song about his PATRIOTISM®.

if you support this war & the military it's time to put up or shut up.  
However,
In your case, it would be better for the collective IQ of this forum, if you just did the latter.
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on September 19, 2008, 02:58:49 PM
quote:
Originally posted by grahambino

So PATRIOTISM® to you is this:

Paying less money to support the men & women fighting for your FREEDOM® in Iraq. Because,  guido911 apparently gets paid an alleged 250k+ a year to argue on the internet all day.  Working so hard for that money & doesn't feel like he should pay his share.  Meanwhile, the Grunts in Iraq keep earning that super sweet $19,000 a year.

Paying less to care wounded warriors that fought & were injured fighting for your FREEDOM® in Afghanistan.

Okay, congrats. You're now on the same level as James Brown.  
Except he was talented & able to write a song about his PATRIOTISM®.

if you support this war & the military it's time to put up or shut up.  
However,
In your case, it would be better for the collective IQ of this forum, if you just did the latter.



What a great idea. From now on, I want all my tax dollars to go towards funding our military. I do not want any of my tax dollars funding our f'd up public school system (that my children do not attend), our f'd up public transportation system (that my family does not use), and any other government hand out program.

Next, in case you missed my first post on this thread, I did my bit for God and Country for numerous years. I earned my rights and freedom, while there are those who have theirs by being a sex trophy. You are not one of those freedom gravy trainers like Obama and Biden, are you?

I guess I should give Biden a break. After all, his idea of Patriotism has to be something other than service to one's country given his draft dodging history.

Oh, I would be careful about using the expression "I.Q." in a thread about Biden. Here's this gem from the plagiarist:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyEqyYUGk4I





Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Nik on September 19, 2008, 03:45:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

All I can say is that I hope they keep running of the platform of raising taxes.  No quicker way to put nails in the coffin of a presidential campaign.

This guy provides republicans with unlimited ammunition.



you do realize people who make less than around $150,000/yr will see a greater tax break under Obama than McCain right? At least the Democrat tax platform makes more sense than the Republicans. The Republicans are in no hurry to get our of Iraq where we're spending $10 billion a month all the while they are trumpeting more tax cuts. I just dont see the logic in more tax cuts while we're spending so much money on war and bailing out the economy left and right.
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Conan71 on September 19, 2008, 03:49:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Nik

quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

All I can say is that I hope they keep running of the platform of raising taxes.  No quicker way to put nails in the coffin of a presidential campaign.

This guy provides republicans with unlimited ammunition.



you do realize people who make less than around $150,000/yr will see a greater tax break under Obama than McCain right? At least the Democrat tax platform makes more sense than the Republicans. The Republicans are in no hurry to get our of Iraq where we're spending $10 billion a month all the while they are trumpeting more tax cuts. I just dont see the logic in more tax cuts while we're spending so much money on war and bailing out the economy left and right.



Wow, no **** Nik we hadn't heard that.  Actually, it's under $250K.

So it's okay that Obama is going to cut taxes, but you don't see the logic in tax cuts?  pancakes?

Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Nik on September 19, 2008, 04:49:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

quote:
Originally posted by Nik

quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

All I can say is that I hope they keep running of the platform of raising taxes.  No quicker way to put nails in the coffin of a presidential campaign.

This guy provides republicans with unlimited ammunition.



you do realize people who make less than around $150,000/yr will see a greater tax break under Obama than McCain right? At least the Democrat tax platform makes more sense than the Republicans. The Republicans are in no hurry to get our of Iraq where we're spending $10 billion a month all the while they are trumpeting more tax cuts. I just dont see the logic in more tax cuts while we're spending so much money on war and bailing out the economy left and right.



Wow, no **** Nik we hadn't heard that.  Actually, it's under $250K.

So it's okay that Obama is going to cut taxes, but you don't see the logic in tax cuts?  pancakes?





Under $160K, Obama's plan gives a greater tax break. Between $160K and $225K, you get a tax break under both, but McCain's is greater.

I was saying I don't see the logic in across-the-board tax cuts. Under Obama's plan, the poorest see the greatest tax cut, while the richest see a tax increase (similar to what it was before the Bush tax cuts). McCain wants to give EVERYONE a tax break but I have not seen how he will cut spending and make that money back. Obviously, both candidates will probably dig a deep hole, but McCain's appears to be out of control.
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: iplaw on September 19, 2008, 06:43:52 PM
It's simple.  Cutting taxes increases revenue, just look at the numbers for the last few years.  We're seeing record revenues.

The difference between the two candidates is that Obama is calling for trillions of dollars in new spending over the next ten years.  The figure, even by conservative estimates is that his plan will add 3.4 trillion to the debt by 2018.

As bad as Obama's plan is, McCain isn't really addressing the WORST of the issues either.

The bottom line is, we MUST cut spending.  Within 10 years ever dollar we get in revenue will be used up simply by SSI and Medicare...that doesn't even account for money needed to pay for defense, infrastructure, etc...

Significant cuts in spending are the only real solution.  We can't tax ourselves out of this hole, period.  Nor will tax cuts with increased investment get us there. Whether we cut taxes which WILL increases GDP or raise taxes which WILL lower the GDP, there simply isn't enough money there, even if we raised taxes to damn near 90% on everybody.

Restructuring these government programs is our only hope in concert with strict fiscal responsibility from here on out.



Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: TheArtist on September 19, 2008, 07:09:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:
Originally posted by grahambino

So PATRIOTISM® to you is this:

Paying less money to support the men & women fighting for your FREEDOM® in Iraq. Because,  guido911 apparently gets paid an alleged 250k+ a year to argue on the internet all day.  Working so hard for that money & doesn't feel like he should pay his share.  Meanwhile, the Grunts in Iraq keep earning that super sweet $19,000 a year.

Paying less to care wounded warriors that fought & were injured fighting for your FREEDOM® in Afghanistan.

Okay, congrats. You're now on the same level as James Brown.  
Except he was talented & able to write a song about his PATRIOTISM®.

if you support this war & the military it's time to put up or shut up.  
However,
In your case, it would be better for the collective IQ of this forum, if you just did the latter.



What a great idea. From now on, I want all my tax dollars to go towards funding our military. I do not want any of my tax dollars funding our f'd up public school system (that my children do not attend), our and any other government hand out program.

Next, in case you missed my first post on this thread, I did my bit for God and Country for numerous years. I earned my rights and freedom, while there are those who have theirs by being a sex trophy. You are not one of those freedom gravy trainers like Obama and Biden, are you?

I guess I should give Biden a break. After all, his idea of Patriotism has to be something other than service to one's country given his draft dodging history.

Oh, I would be careful about using the expression "I.Q." in a thread about Biden. Here's this gem from the plagiarist:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyEqyYUGk4I









I will be sooooo for not funding our, as you put it... "our f'd up public transportation system (that my family does not use),"  As long as you include the roads in that. I do not want one more road or bridge built or widened anywhere in or around this city.

Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on September 19, 2008, 07:12:36 PM
Biden evaluating report's pecs now?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/oh-that-joe-n-7.html

Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Gaspar on September 19, 2008, 07:22:36 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

Biden evaluating report's pecs now?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/oh-that-joe-n-7.html





I have opted to no longer be critical of Mr. Biden.  He has no ability to edit himself.  He is honest and he is obviously in some manner simplistic.  

I'm not sure if this is a disability or not but I think to poke fun at him is now cruel, so can we leave him alone?

He is his own worst enemy and that is simply sad.

I think to add extra light to his obvious problem is wrong.  I no longer want to be a party to making fun of anyone's disabilities, so I would like to propose a moratorium on poking fun at Joe.

Can you agree with me guido?




Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on September 19, 2008, 07:55:50 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

Biden evaluating report's pecs now?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/oh-that-joe-n-7.html





I have opted to no longer be critical of Mr. Biden.  He has no ability to edit himself.  He is honest and he is obviously in some manner simplistic.  

I'm not sure if this is a disability or not but I think to poke fun at him is now cruel, so can we leave him alone?

He is his own worst enemy and that is simply sad.

I think to add extra light to his obvious problem is wrong.  I no longer want to be a party to making fun of anyone's disabilities, so I would like to propose a moratorium on poking fun at Joe.

Can you agree with me guido?





Let's check with Charlie Rangel. He is apparently an authority on persons with disabilities.
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on September 20, 2008, 04:46:37 PM
Joe gaffing on his guns:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/oh-that-joe-n-9.html

You know GAS, Joe might be pathological.
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on September 23, 2008, 12:34:44 PM
Joe gaffing on the Depression:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/23/biden-on-fdrs-management-of-the-1929-crash/

Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Conan71 on September 23, 2008, 12:38:30 PM
Sheesh, he's nuttier than McCain.

No wonder the Dims keep hammering Palin, takes the focus of what a dumbass pick Biden was.

Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Gaspar on September 23, 2008, 01:03:25 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

Sheesh, he's nuttier than McCain.

No wonder the Dims keep hammering Palin, takes the focus of what a dumbass pick Biden was.





I commend Obama for picking Biden.  It's a very brave thing for him to do.  Biden is a very special candidate, and I think it's very big of Obama to include him on the ticket, in the face of some obvious and powerful opposition from within his own party.

Seldom does someone of Biden's caliber get to participate in such an important process.

I used to think Biden was just another pandering liberal, but he really doesn't engage in the same degree of dishonesty as the others.  He simply speaks from the hip about what he's thinking.  Flow of consciousness kind of stuff.  I don't think he has the capacity to edit himself, for better or worse. We need to be sensitive to that.  

To be overly critical of Biden is really cruel.

Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on September 23, 2008, 01:55:33 PM
quote:


I used to think Biden was just another pandering liberal, but he really doesn't engage in the same degree of dishonesty as the others.  He simply speaks from the hip about what he's thinking.  Flow of consciousness kind of stuff.  I don't think he has the capacity to edit himself, for better or worse. We need to be sensitive to that.  

To be overly critical of Biden is really cruel.




Oh get over yourself GAS. The guy's running for vice president of the free world, not secretary of his elementary school student council. If he is elected VP, do you want him speaking as a representative of this country to the prime minister of India with the chance that this comes out?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM19YOqs7hU

BTW, you make it sound as if he has some sort of disability or medical condition when he runs off at the mouth that should cause us to treat him as if he is a member of a protected class. If that's the case, should he even be a candidate for VP? After all, we would not want to exacerbate his disability.
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Conan71 on September 23, 2008, 02:15:55 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:


I used to think Biden was just another pandering liberal, but he really doesn't engage in the same degree of dishonesty as the others.  He simply speaks from the hip about what he's thinking.  Flow of consciousness kind of stuff.  I don't think he has the capacity to edit himself, for better or worse. We need to be sensitive to that.  

To be overly critical of Biden is really cruel.




Oh get over yourself GAS. The guy's running for vice president of the free world, not secretary of his elementary school student council. If he is elected VP, do you want him speaking as a representative of this country to the prime minister of India with the chance that this comes out?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM19YOqs7hU

BTW, you make it sound as if he has some sort of disability or medical condition when he runs off at the mouth that should cause us to treat him as if he is a member of a protected class. If that's the case, should he even be a candidate for VP? After all, we would not want to exacerbate his disability.



Guido, knock it off!!!

Biden is a "special needs" candidate.

You should be more PC in your characterizations of him.

Personally, I'm ashamed of myself calling him a dumbass pick. Thanks for setting me straight Gaspar. [:(]

Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: iplaw on September 23, 2008, 02:20:29 PM
Obama needs to keep Biden on a shorter leash.  Apparently these two are not communicating before they issue statements to the press anymore.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-on-bidens.html
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on September 23, 2008, 02:25:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:


I used to think Biden was just another pandering liberal, but he really doesn't engage in the same degree of dishonesty as the others.  He simply speaks from the hip about what he's thinking.  Flow of consciousness kind of stuff.  I don't think he has the capacity to edit himself, for better or worse. We need to be sensitive to that.  

To be overly critical of Biden is really cruel.




Oh get over yourself GAS. The guy's running for vice president of the free world, not secretary of his elementary school student council. If he is elected VP, do you want him speaking as a representative of this country to the prime minister of India with the chance that this comes out?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM19YOqs7hU

BTW, you make it sound as if he has some sort of disability or medical condition when he runs off at the mouth that should cause us to treat him as if he is a member of a protected class. If that's the case, should he even be a candidate for VP? After all, we would not want to exacerbate his disability.



Guido, knock it off!!!

Biden is a "special needs" candidate.

You should be more PC in your characterizations of him.

Personally, I'm ashamed of myself calling him a dumbass pick. Thanks for setting me straight Gaspar. [:(]


[}:)]



Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on September 23, 2008, 03:02:28 PM
And here is the video of Biden and his most recent gaffe (I think):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTBZHf6WyG0&eurl=http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/23/biden-on-fdrs-management-of-the-1929-crash/
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Gaspar on September 23, 2008, 03:31:33 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

quote:


I used to think Biden was just another pandering liberal, but he really doesn't engage in the same degree of dishonesty as the others.  He simply speaks from the hip about what he's thinking.  Flow of consciousness kind of stuff.  I don't think he has the capacity to edit himself, for better or worse. We need to be sensitive to that.  

To be overly critical of Biden is really cruel.




Oh get over yourself GAS. The guy's running for vice president of the free world, not secretary of his elementary school student council. If he is elected VP, do you want him speaking as a representative of this country to the prime minister of India with the chance that this comes out?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM19YOqs7hU

BTW, you make it sound as if he has some sort of disability or medical condition when he runs off at the mouth that should cause us to treat him as if he is a member of a protected class. If that's the case, should he even be a candidate for VP? After all, we would not want to exacerbate his disability.



Guido, knock it off!!!

Biden is a "special needs" candidate.

You should be more PC in your characterizations of him.

Personally, I'm ashamed of myself calling him a dumbass pick. Thanks for setting me straight Gaspar. [:(]





Thanks Conan.  I just feel like Joe only hurts himself, and there's no need for us to pile on like a bunch of pirañas.

He's Obama's special little guy. [:I]

And Guido, I'm not worried, I think the rest of the world understands Joe's capacity for comprehension just fine.


Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on September 23, 2008, 03:51:08 PM
There is not going to be a group hug on this, is there?
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Gaspar on September 23, 2008, 04:23:45 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

There is not going to be a group hug on this, is there?



No, but Biden deserves our support. [;)]

He can't help the way he is.


Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Conan71 on September 23, 2008, 04:29:07 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

There is not going to be a group hug on this, is there?



No just a group grope on Nov. 5 when the Dims try and figure out how they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

I guess when Joe can't copy someone else's idea or work, he just invents something which sounds impressive.

Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on September 24, 2008, 09:09:09 PM
Throwing gaspar a bone, maybe he is on to something:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/24/slate-political-reporter-joe-biden-gaffe-proof
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: USRufnex on September 24, 2008, 10:53:26 PM
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

One aspect of finances that I really don't understand from the "Average Joe" ticket of Obama/Biden is the collective lack of charitable giving from these people.

They don't mind you being forced into giving your money to the federal government, but when it comes to voluntary charitable giving these guys hide under the table.

This seems to be a common theme amongst liberals in general, but most notably those who are rabid about raising taxes.




Lie.

Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Conan71 on September 24, 2008, 10:58:31 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

Throwing gaspar a bone, maybe he is on to something:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/24/slate-political-reporter-joe-biden-gaffe-proof




Phil Hartman would have been the perfect guy to play Biden.

RIP Phil.

Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: FOTD on September 25, 2008, 12:54:08 AM
Use Clawbacks to Fund Wall Street Bailouts      
By Michael Thomas    

http://thejournal.epluribusmedia.net/index.php/op-ed/44-general%20op-ed/173-use-clawbacks-to-fund-wall-street-bailouts


Since the early seventies, the billionaire plutocrats and the Wall Street Masters of the Universe have succeeded in capturing essentially all of the gains in productivity and GDP that the economy has created, converting them into their personal wealth. The era of nine-digit corporate compensation and ten-digit hedge fund manager earnings has resulted in the greatest economic inequality since the Gilded Age. The individuals occupying the top one percent of our economy earned 21.8 percent of the nation's income (2005) and, according to The Nation, hold $16.8 trillion in wealth, $2 trillion more than the lower 90 percent of Americans combined, so I will refer to these plutocrats and Masters as the One Percenters.

The golden days of the One Percenters were made possible by relentless deregulation of the financial markets and the economy beginning in the seventies and by "starving the beast" of government through enormous tax cuts on the earnings and wealth of One Percenters, which rendered increasingly ineffective any residual government oversight of the economy. During the same period, economic security for the middle and working classes has been subject to ferocious erosion, with job security, pension security and assured upward mobility distant memories of better days, lost to the dynamics of the global marketplace and the vagaries of Wall Street. The result is that median real income for the rest of us is at essentially the same level as in the early seventies and has fallen during the Bush Administration.



Now comes the Great Wall Street Meltdown. The same balance sheets from which One Percenters have been skimming the nation's wealth with fewer and fewer regulators looking over their shoulders have somehow been rendered indeterminate, incapable of even determining whether they are in balance. And so now they run to the government and the taxpayers and the little guys, whose real incomes have been frozen for nigh onto forty years, to bail their balance sheets out.

The One Percenters want bailed out to the tune of $700 billion to $1 trillion, which will be added directly to the federal deficit, already bloated by the $1 trillion off-budget Iraq war borrowing and the cost of the rest of the workaday Bush mismanagement and corruption. Already we are being told that the next president will have no money left over after the bailout to fund any other programs, like health care, education, alternative energy development, or rebuilding the nation's infrastructure. So we, the little guys, must forego the badly needed repairs to our tattered national well-being so the One Percenters can straighten out their balance sheets?

In the venture capital world, which prides itself on being a dog-eat-dog red meat capitalist world, there is a mechanism, with the suitably gruesome name of "clawback", to deal with circumstances akin to these, where the active investors, in this case the One Percenters, have themselves fed fully at the trough during the good days but in a downturn are unable to meet the investment expectations of those whose resources funded their earlier feasts. During the bursting of the dot.com bubble, clawbacks made numerous ugly appearances at VC firms when "sure-thing" dot.com business plans failed to "monetize" their flaky business plans. When a VC company's portfolio of dot.com companies was revealed to be duds, the investors in the VC company had the right, and did in fact exercise the right, to clawback, i.e., be refunded a portion of, their investments from general partners, requiring the general partners to forego their management fees for the current year, and even give back previous years' annual bonuses (!) if necessary, to meet the clawback obligations from their own pockets.

In the Great Wall Street Bailout, the One Percenters have been taking their shares of the profits for years through hedge fund management fees, exorbitant executive compensation, self-dealing stock-option plans, huge year-end bonuses and other ingenious ways of wealth extraction far too clever for the likes of me to be aware of. Clawbacks should be used now to fund the Great Wall Street Bailout of 2008. The bailout should be funded by clawbacks from the winnings of the One Percenters in the casino games they have rigged in recent years on the conveniently unregulated Wall Street. They should be made to disgorge the losses of the injured parties out of their own pockets just like VC general partners.

In particular, the executives of any firm receiving Great Wall Street Bailout proceeds from the government should be subject to clawback of executive incomes, management fees or stock options for the prior seven years, to the extent necessary to fund that company's bailout. A more generalized form of clawback would be to tax retroactively the types of firms receiving bailouts or the types of financial activities engendering bailouts in amounts sufficient to fund the bailout program. More general than that would be a retroactive clawback tax on One Percenters as a whole in amounts sufficient to fund the bailout program.

Middle class taxpayers should not be made to pay a single dime of the cost of these bailouts. And, the clawbacks should be sufficient to assure that the deficit is not increased one penny by the bailouts so that the urgently needed repairs to our nation's physical and social infrastructure can be made by the next president."



The devil heard Biden say this last week. That is to say a high additional tax on the top 1%. FOTDs not sure that is precisely a "clawback" but it is in the ball park. The sound of the word clawbacks sounds like it fits the devilish ways of Wall Street.
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Gaspar on September 25, 2008, 07:11:11 AM
Mr. Biden is discussing his helicopter being forced down over Afghanistan again.  I bet that was very scary for him.  He couldn't have possibly understood what was going on around him with everyone speaking so fast and stuff.

He still thinks it was terrorists that made the snow storm that forced his helicopter down.

Poor guy, someone needs to help him to understand that terrorists don't control the weather. . .

Global Warming Climate Change does.

I think he can recycle this one to use for a Global Warming Climate Change speech.  

He's Obama's special little guy!


Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: iplaw on September 25, 2008, 10:22:45 AM
quote:
Originally posted by USRufnex

quote:
Originally posted by iplaw

One aspect of finances that I really don't understand from the "Average Joe" ticket of Obama/Biden is the collective lack of charitable giving from these people.

They don't mind you being forced into giving your money to the federal government, but when it comes to voluntary charitable giving these guys hide under the table.

This seems to be a common theme amongst liberals in general, but most notably those who are rabid about raising taxes.




Lie.



What are you 5?
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: USRufnex on September 25, 2008, 10:53:21 AM
http://harpers.org/archive/2008/02/hbc-90002519

John McCain's Charitable Contributions

By Ken Silverstein

His kids' private schools are prime beneficiaries

The charitable contributions of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have received a fair amount of press scrutiny. The same is not true of John McCain, which is somewhat surprising since he is essentially the sole donor to the John and Cindy McCain Foundation, and his wife is its chairman and president.

Between 2001 and 2006, McCain contributed roughly $950,000 to the foundation. That accounted for all of its listed income other than for $100 that came from an anonymous donor. During that same period, the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million. More than $500,000 went to his kids' private schools, most of which was donated when his children were attending those institutions. So McCain apparently received major tax deductions for supporting elite schools attended by his children.

McCain has net assets of between $20 million and $32 million, making him the seventh wealthiest member of the Senate. His wealth is tied to Cindy Hensley McCain, his second wife and heiress to Hensley & Co., a major Anheuser-Busch distributor.

McCain has four children with Cindy, all of whom attended prep schools in Arizona. Meghan McCain, McCain's eldest child from his current marriage, went to Xavier College Preparatory. McCain's foundation has given about $50,000 to the school, mostly during Meghan's years there. Donations to Xavier have dropped off since Meghan graduated (in 2003 or 2004) and went on to Columbia University. For 2006, the foundation cut Xavier a check for just $250.

McCain has two sons, Jim, who is now a private in the Marines, and Jack, who is attending the Naval Academy in Annapolis. Both previously attended Brophy College Prep in Phoenix, which received at least $267,000 from the senator's foundation during the years that his sons were there.

The McCain foundation also donated money–roughly $128,000–to Christ Lutheran School, which the McCain's 15-year-old adopted daughter, Bridget, and their son Jim both attended. In 2001, the foundation also donated $41,667 to the Phoenix Country Day School, another elite prep school where both Meghan and Jack had been students.

Collectively, McCain's kids' private schools rank as the largest recipient of his foundation's money. The largest individual recipient is the U.S. Naval Academy Foundation, which received $210,000 in both 2001 and 2002. That money was earmarked for conferences that "bring together key military officers and civilian academics responsible for ethics education and character developments."

The McCain Foundation also has given large amounts to medical causes of various kinds, with a focus on craniofacial research, and the Halo Trust, a landmine-clearing organization. Small amounts have gone to the Valley Youth Theatre ($200) in Phoenix; Cool our Troops ($500), which provides Misty Mates to troops in Iraq; the Child Crisis Center in Phoenix ($250), which provides emergency shelter and programs for abused kids; and the American Cancer Society's Neighborhood Cancer Program ($50).

Between 2001 and 2002, the foundation contributed $4,000 to Shannon Ulrich for "special needs education." I'm not sure where Ullrich attended school at the time but she seems to have later attended Bryn Mawr and now works for McCain's presidential campaign.

I contacted McCain's campaign to ask about the foundation's contributions. A campaign spokesman, who asked to speak anonymously, said the foundation is funded nearly entirely by proceeds from McCain's book sales. "These are schools that did great things for the McCains' kids and they felt it was appropriate to support them," this person said.

It's impossible to know how much McCain has saved in taxes through his foundation's donations since he has thus far refused to release his tax returns (and won't commit to releasing them after formally becoming the nominee either). There's nothing illegal or improper about the foundation's contributions, but it's not exactly the pattern of giving you'd expect from someone who has cultivated an anti-elitist image.
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Conan71 on September 25, 2008, 11:14:44 AM
Lie?

Fact:

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/09/biden-releases.html

(click to see spreadsheet)

Biden Releases 10 Years of Tax Returns
Joe Biden today released ten years of his personal income tax returns, drawing further attention to the tax issues raised by Sarah Palin's tax problems associated with her per diem reimbursements while governor of Alaska.

I wonder, though, if the move might backfire because the returns show that the Bidens have been amazingly tight-fisted when it comes to their charitable giving.  Despite income ranging from $210,432 - $321,379 over the ten-year period, the Bidens have given only $120 - $995 per year to charity, which amounts to 0.06% - 0.31% of their income:


It is jarring that a couple earning over $200,000 per year would give as little as $2 per week to charity.  This giving compares very unfavorably to John McCain, whose tax returns show that he gave 27.3% - 28.6% of his income to charity in 2006-2007.  During the same period, the Obamas' tax returns show that they gave 5.8% - 6.1% of their income to charity.

Perhaps the Obama-Biden campaign needs a new slogan:  "Change You Can Believe In (As Long As Someone Else Pays For It)"

Update: Independent Sector reports that 89% of American households contribute to charity, with an average contribution of $1,620 -- 3.1% of income.  

IRS statistics reveal that the average taxpayer with AGI over $200,000 makes over $20,000 of charitable contributions:

$15,000-$30,000 AGI:  $1,916 average charitable deduction
$30,000-$50,000 AGI:  $2,158 average charitable deduction
$50,000-$100,000 AGI:  $2,703 average charitable deduction
$100,000-$200,000 AGI:  $4,057 average charitable deduction
$200,000 or more of AGI:  $20,434 average charitable deduction

Biden is a tightass when it comes to charity.  I make less than Biden and give more than he does.

Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on October 16, 2008, 03:45:10 PM
Another Biden Gem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-eeWow_WU

Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: USRufnex on October 16, 2008, 05:34:39 PM
Yeah, Conan, since you give more to "charity" than Joe Biden, maybe you're more qualified to be VP.... [}:)]

More character assassination from McCain/Palin....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ManvViFZ4l4
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: iplaw on October 16, 2008, 09:14:26 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71

Lie?

Fact:

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/09/biden-releases.html

(click to see spreadsheet)

Biden Releases 10 Years of Tax Returns
Joe Biden today released ten years of his personal income tax returns, drawing further attention to the tax issues raised by Sarah Palin's tax problems associated with her per diem reimbursements while governor of Alaska.

I wonder, though, if the move might backfire because the returns show that the Bidens have been amazingly tight-fisted when it comes to their charitable giving.  Despite income ranging from $210,432 - $321,379 over the ten-year period, the Bidens have given only $120 - $995 per year to charity, which amounts to 0.06% - 0.31% of their income:


It is jarring that a couple earning over $200,000 per year would give as little as $2 per week to charity.  This giving compares very unfavorably to John McCain, whose tax returns show that he gave 27.3% - 28.6% of his income to charity in 2006-2007.  During the same period, the Obamas' tax returns show that they gave 5.8% - 6.1% of their income to charity.

Perhaps the Obama-Biden campaign needs a new slogan:  "Change You Can Believe In (As Long As Someone Else Pays For It)"

Update: Independent Sector reports that 89% of American households contribute to charity, with an average contribution of $1,620 -- 3.1% of income.  

IRS statistics reveal that the average taxpayer with AGI over $200,000 makes over $20,000 of charitable contributions:

$15,000-$30,000 AGI:  $1,916 average charitable deduction
$30,000-$50,000 AGI:  $2,158 average charitable deduction
$50,000-$100,000 AGI:  $2,703 average charitable deduction
$100,000-$200,000 AGI:  $4,057 average charitable deduction
$200,000 or more of AGI:  $20,434 average charitable deduction

Biden is a tightass when it comes to charity.  I make less than Biden and give more than he does.



Let me explain something to you.  When Ruff-rider says that something is a "lie" you can bet that it's truth.

Why does it matter what he thinks anyways?  The guy plays a sport were you aren't allowed to use your hands, and faking injuries and acting like a drama queen is considered "cool"...

Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on October 17, 2008, 06:59:32 PM

[/quote]Let me explain something to you.  When Ruff-rider says that something is a "lie" you can bet that it's truth.

Why does it matter what he thinks anyways?  The guy plays a sport were you aren't allowed to use your hands, and faking injuries and acting like a drama queen is considered "cool"...

[/quote]

"Post of the week" candidate.

[}:)]

And don't forget that in soccer if you are bad, someone will hand you a little card.
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on October 21, 2008, 10:19:14 AM
And another (I think this is old):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9L6IfuXrk0
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: mrburns918 on October 21, 2008, 11:38:50 AM
When Biden speaks I start to miss watching the old Looney Tunes cartoons.

"What a Maaaroooooon" - Bugs Bunny

Mr. Burns
Bob Barr for President
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: USRufnex on October 21, 2008, 10:16:21 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911



Let me explain something to you.  When Ruff-rider says that something is a "lie" you can bet that it's truth.

Why does it matter what he thinks anyways?  The guy plays a sport were you aren't allowed to use your hands, and faking injuries and acting like a drama queen is considered "cool"...

[/quote]

"Post of the week" candidate.

[}:)]

And don't forget that in soccer if you are bad, someone will hand you a little card.
[/quote]

(http://pentangle.net/blog/files/2008/01/t1_mcbride.jpg)

Blood still bleeds red, whether you're a dem or a pseudo-patriotic republican...

BTW, TU Men's soccer is #8 in the country this week...

Didn't realize being a soccer fan qualified you as a liberal or conservative... yet another lie from the right.





Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on October 25, 2008, 12:50:05 PM
Biden, a victim of a MSM hatchet job?  You make the call:

http://www.wftv.com/video/17790025/index.html
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Conan71 on October 25, 2008, 01:00:27 PM
He's lying, check out his eyes. [}:)]
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on October 25, 2008, 01:49:40 PM
Obama/Biden are apparently so upset over the unfair interview that they canceled subsequent interviews with that station.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/10/obama-campaig-1.html
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Hoss on October 25, 2008, 02:44:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

Obama/Biden are apparently so upset over the unfair interview that they canceled subsequent interviews with that station.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/10/obama-campaig-1.html



How about McCain not holding up to his end of the bargain with a Larry King interview because Campbell Brown schooled Tucker Bounds?

That crap goes both ways.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/campbell-brown.html
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on October 27, 2008, 02:50:32 PM
Did Joe ban another station because he was asked tough questions?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZT1y1io4vA&eurl=http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=38688

I just do not understand the problems he is having with interviews. After all, Joe has a high IQ.
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on October 31, 2008, 08:57:28 AM
Obama throws not-so-friendly newspaper reports off his plane:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/31/washington-times-kicked-obama-plane-finale/

Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Conan71 on October 31, 2008, 10:35:29 AM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

Obama throws not-so-friendly newspaper reports off his plane:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/31/washington-times-kicked-obama-plane-finale/





Did he at least give them a parachute???

Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: carltonplace on October 31, 2008, 11:13:46 AM
not the golden kind
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: nathanm on October 31, 2008, 03:14:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911

Obama throws not-so-friendly newspaper reports off his plane:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/31/washington-times-kicked-obama-plane-finale/




Wow, the Moonies? That's where you're getting your news now? It all suddenly makes sense.
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on October 31, 2008, 03:16:23 PM
quote:
Originally posted by nathanm

quote:
Originally posted by guido911

Obama throws not-so-friendly newspaper reports off his plane:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/31/washington-times-kicked-obama-plane-finale/




Wow, the Moonies? That's where you're getting your news now? It all suddenly makes sense.



So are you saying that Obama did not do this or what?
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: nathanm on October 31, 2008, 05:34:34 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guido911


So are you saying that Obama did not do this or what?


I'm saying I wouldn't let a cultist propaganda rag that also happens to be a neocon mouthpiece on my plane in the first place.

I have to say, I am surprised at how fairly the reporter wrote the story. "We were kicked off because we weren't helping them reach the people they needed to reach." Too bad the editor who wrote the headline doesn't have the same journalistic integrity.

Besides, I somehow expect that in the remaining pool reporters, there are plenty who are unfriendly to Obama.
Title: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Red Arrow on October 31, 2008, 07:51:56 PM
quote:
Originally posted by nathanm

Besides, I somehow expect that in the remaining pool reporters, there are plenty who are unfriendly to Obama.



Plenty? Please find 6 or more.
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on March 13, 2009, 05:48:44 PM
Joe is at it again; channeling Rahmbo:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/03/oh-that-joe-no.html
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Chicken Little on March 13, 2009, 06:00:39 PM
Quote from: guido911 on March 13, 2009, 05:48:44 PM
Joe is at it again; channeling Rahmbo:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/03/oh-that-joe-no.html
Stop the presses!  Joe drops an F-bomb in a conversation with a friend.  Jake Tapper is a tool.
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on March 13, 2009, 06:07:36 PM
"Gimme a f*&$#ing break" -Joseph Biden

Try to find your 3rd grade teacher and tell them the dirty word he said.

Grow up
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Hoss on March 13, 2009, 07:14:14 PM
I love watching the 'rabid right's collective heads explode.

Gweed, you might as well as come out and tell everyone you had a mancrush on FOTD, or at the very least FB, because you sure are channeling one or both.

:o
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on March 15, 2009, 01:30:57 PM
Quote from: Chicken Little on March 13, 2009, 06:00:39 PM
Stop the presses!  Joe drops an F-bomb in a conversation with a friend.  Jake Tapper is a tool.

Oh, but when Dick Cheney tells Pat Leahy to F$ck Off, it's a national story.
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: we vs us on March 15, 2009, 02:21:46 PM
Quote from: guido911 on March 15, 2009, 01:30:57 PM
Oh, but when Dick Cheney tells Pat Leahy to F$ck Off, it's a national story.

When it's on the floor of the Senate, then yep.
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: RipTout on March 15, 2009, 02:35:06 PM
Keep Joe Biden away from our children!
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on March 15, 2009, 02:46:41 PM
Quote from: we vs us on March 15, 2009, 02:21:46 PM
When it's on the floor of the Senate, then yep.

What difference does that make? Oh, I know, Cheney is a repiglican.
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: we vs us on March 15, 2009, 03:07:23 PM
Quote from: guido911 on March 15, 2009, 02:46:41 PM
What difference does that make? Oh, I know, Cheney is a repiglican.

C'mon, Barrister.  Certainly you can see the different in context between Joe Biden jokingly saying "Give me a f*cking break," when called Mr. Vice President by one of his own staff, versus the Vice President telling a high ranking fellow senator from the opposition party to "Go f*ck yourself,"  after said high ranking oppo senator had just spent much of the day accusing Mr. Veep's former employer of profiteering.

Certainly, Barrister, you know the difference between joking, and serious as a heart attack uses of the word f*ck?

You WERE in the service, right, Barrister?   
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on March 15, 2009, 03:16:08 PM
Quote from: we vs us on March 15, 2009, 03:07:23 PM
C'mon, Barrister.  Certainly you can see the different in context between Joe Biden jokingly saying "Give me a f*cking break," when called Mr. Vice President by one of his own staff, versus the Vice President telling a high ranking fellow senator from the opposition party to "Go f*ck yourself,"  after said high ranking oppo senator had just spent much of the day accusing Mr. Veep's former employer of profiteering.

Certainly, Barrister, you know the difference between joking, and serious as a heart attack uses of the word f*ck?

You WERE in the service, right, Barrister?   

Um, I'm an Attorney and not a Barrister. Do me a favor, next time you want to be cute, try to get a handle on what you are talking about.

And what does my military experience have to do with your insipid analysis that context dictates how we should view our national leader's use of profanity? Just come out and say it, it's okay that Biden drops the F Bomb for our children to hear because he's a democrat.
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Hoss on March 15, 2009, 03:37:54 PM
Quote from: guido911 on March 15, 2009, 03:16:08 PM
Um, I'm an Attorney and not a Barrister. Do me a favor, next time you want to be cute, try to get a handle on what you are talking about.

And what does my military experience have to do with your insipid analysis that context dictates how we should view our national leader's use of profanity? Just come out and say it, it's okay that Biden drops the F Bomb for our children to hear because he's a democrat.

And that just grates at your craw, doesn't it?

Do you honestly believe that?  Wow.  Don't like the analysis of another; and do what any self-serving attorney does.  Redirect.

You've become a bit of a joke now.  Maybe a mockery, I'm not sure.

Or maybe you're just an attention whore.
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: we vs us on March 15, 2009, 04:14:08 PM
Quote from: guido911 on March 15, 2009, 03:16:08 PM
Um, I'm an Attorney and not a Barrister. Do me a favor, next time you want to be cute, try to get a handle on what you are talking about.

And what does my military experience have to do with your insipid analysis that context dictates how we should view our national leader's use of profanity? Just come out and say it, it's okay that Biden drops the F Bomb for our children to hear because he's a democrat.

I was going to go with Solicitor, but figured that was a bit too noble. 

I figured your career in the military would've prepared you for the myriad gradations of meaning -- both connotative and denotative -- for the word "f*ck."  But perhaps I was mistaken.  Perhaps you served in the part of the armed service where they don't allow cursing. 

Either way, if you don't get the difference in usage and in intent between Biden and Cheney, then I have little hope for either the lawyering profession or for our professional soldier class, neither of whom you're representing particularly well with your unsophisticated knowledge of how to use the word "f*ck."
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on March 15, 2009, 04:41:58 PM
Quote from: we vs us on March 15, 2009, 04:14:08 PM
I was going to go with Solicitor, but figured that was a bit too noble. 

I figured your career in the military would've prepared you for the myriad gradations of meaning -- both connotative and denotative -- for the word "f*ck."  But perhaps I was mistaken.  Perhaps you served in the part of the armed service where they don't allow cursing. 

Either way, if you don't get the difference in usage and in intent between Biden and Cheney, then I have little hope for either the lawyering profession or for our professional soldier class, neither of whom you're representing particularly well with your unsophisticated knowledge of how to use the word "f*ck."

You want to know what sounds noble, the title "Esquire" some lawyers use. I am reminded of the line from the movie City Heat (Burt Reynolds/Clint Eastwood) where Reynolds quips in response to being introduced to a guy with Esquire at the end of his name: "Is that momma the heiress or papa the pirate".

As to your response, my entire point was that the media once again demonstrates its double standard when it comes to covering flubs by dems and repubs. Frankly, I could care less about people dropping F bombs (I've been known to do that occasionally). It's when our  leaders carelessly spout them where young children might here it is where I have the problem. Both Cheney and Biden were wrong, and both should be equally shamed.

Incidentally, I did not know that it took a degree of sophistication to use/understand profanity or that one should consider the intent of someone who has. Thanks for clarifying that.
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: nathanm on March 15, 2009, 07:19:48 PM
Quote from: guido911 on March 15, 2009, 04:41:58 PM
It's when our  leaders carelessly spout them where young children might here it is where I have the problem.
Yes, your precious little flower will be irreparably harmed by hearing the f word. ::)
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: USRufnex on March 15, 2009, 10:33:11 PM
I hearby nominate Guido to replace Michael Steele as chairman of the RNC.... oh please please... here kitty kitty...
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on March 16, 2009, 09:05:19 AM
USRufnex, I second that!  At least he stays on message and won't say anything bad about Rush Limbaugh!
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Chicken Little on March 16, 2009, 10:26:17 AM
Quote from: guido911 on March 15, 2009, 04:41:58 PM
As to your response, my entire point was that the media once again demonstrates its double standard when it comes to covering flubs by dems and repubs.
How is, "Go f*ck yourself!" a flub?  Have you ever accidentally yelled, "Go f*ck yourself!" at someone's face?
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Hoss on March 16, 2009, 10:42:24 AM
Quote from: Chicken Little on March 16, 2009, 10:26:17 AM
How is, "Go f*ck yourself!" a flub?  Have you ever accidentally yelled, "Go f*ck yourself!" at someone's face?

+1 for you, CL.  You made me snort/laugh with that!
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on March 16, 2009, 10:46:55 AM
Quote from: Chicken Little on March 16, 2009, 10:26:17 AM
How is, "Go f*ck yourself!" a flub?  Have you ever accidentally yelled, "Go f*ck yourself!" at someone's face?

Sometimes when I ask people if they want to go to lunch I slip up and say "Go f*ck yourself!".
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Gaspar on March 16, 2009, 02:44:31 PM
Quote from: Chicken Little on March 16, 2009, 10:26:17 AM
How is, "Go f*ck yourself!" a flub?  Have you ever accidentally yelled, "Go f*ck yourself!" at someone's face?

"Sorry Father Taylor, I meant to say Merry Christmas."

Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Chicken Little on March 16, 2009, 03:13:03 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on March 16, 2009, 02:44:31 PM
"Sorry Father Taylor, I meant to say Merry Christmas."


"Go f*ck yourself!" oh, oops.  I meant +1.
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Gaspar on March 16, 2009, 03:44:19 PM
Quote from: Chicken Little on March 16, 2009, 03:13:03 PM
"Go f*ck yourself!" oh, oops.  I meant +1.

I think you've got it!  Remember there was a discussion about what to call the Karma button.  How about the "Go f*ck yourself!" button?
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on March 29, 2009, 12:21:58 PM
Biden's now crossed over from Gaffe-master to abject dumba$$:

http://barcepundit-english.blogspot.com/2009/03/man-biden-is-gaffe-with-legs-during-his.html

Oh, and Trog, I guess having our vice president's dropping F-bombs is okay so long as its used in a now-sexual or mean-spirited context. Thanks. Perhaps using the "F" word in the context of getting "f$cked up" (as in intoxicated) was the reason for this interesting  development in the Biden family:

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/03/exclusive-biden-cocaine-scandal-video-shot-hidden-camera-lawyer-quits

Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: RipTout on March 29, 2009, 02:11:53 PM
sick him!
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on January 28, 2010, 07:48:08 PM
Biden: Unemployment will grow this spring:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/01/28/biden_gaffe_unemployment_will_grow_this_spring.html
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Conan71 on January 28, 2010, 08:07:15 PM
What do you think? Valuum or Versed from Uncle Teddy's medicine chest?
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on January 28, 2010, 08:32:58 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on January 28, 2010, 08:07:15 PM
What do you think? Valuum or Versed from Uncle Teddy's medicine chest?

Valium, because versed would have put him in respiratory distress and coma. Oh, wait....
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Hoss on January 28, 2010, 08:37:07 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on January 28, 2010, 08:07:15 PM
What do you think? Valuum or Versed from Uncle Teddy's medicine chest?

Since Teddy's gone, maybe he can ask Limbaugh for some?
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Conan71 on January 28, 2010, 08:47:55 PM
Quote from: Hoss on January 28, 2010, 08:37:07 PM
Since Teddy's gone, maybe he can ask Limbaugh for some?

Erection drugs couldn't have hurt...
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on February 03, 2010, 09:27:57 AM
Joe Biden: Movie Reviewer

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/joe-biden-talks-about-oscars-9735467
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on September 20, 2010, 03:48:51 PM
Crazy Uncle Joe strikes again:

http://twitter.com/markknoller/status/25027175246
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on August 01, 2014, 05:15:11 PM
Good grief. Crazy uncle Joe at it again...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/vice-president-biden-loves-skinny-dipping-new-book-article-1.1887901
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on August 01, 2014, 06:19:02 PM
Quote from: guido911 on August 01, 2014, 05:15:11 PM
Good grief. Crazy uncle Joe at it again...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/vice-president-biden-loves-skinny-dipping-new-book-article-1.1887901

And here is his desire to share a hot tub with. (NO EYE BLEACH INCLUDED)

(http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/t_article_image/plilygd4xsqy2bkjfy6i.jpg)
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: Conan71 on August 01, 2014, 07:13:56 PM
At least it wasn't Helen Thomas.

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/AP_helen_thomas_jt_130720_16x9_992.jpg)
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on August 01, 2014, 07:50:15 PM
(http://wizbangblog.com/images/2010/06/129149843700534433.jpg)
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on September 23, 2014, 12:51:33 PM


Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on October 08, 2014, 01:29:23 PM
Biden's heir apparent. Although he is not quite ready for his own thread yet.


QuoteWiFi is a human right

(http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/omalley1.jpeg)
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on October 18, 2014, 12:31:44 AM
Oh well...


http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/16/politics/hunter-biden-discharged-from-navy/index.html
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on November 04, 2014, 04:53:01 PM
If you know me, you know I am the last person to be critical of hair styles.  ;D  But this is pretty funny, and crosses all political lines.

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/11/04/do-we-need-to-talk-about-joe-bidens-new-forehead/
Title: Re: What did Biden Say Now?
Post by: guido911 on February 12, 2015, 12:49:16 PM