Over the past three decades there has been a rumor that the dividing line between of the city has gone south. At present the line between North Tulsa and South Tulsa is being established at 41st street.
The merchants that once lined main street and first street are lining up along 71st street while city government is trying to convert the north city into a entertainment Mecca with the "fields of dreams" illusions.
Is there anyone that can produce the average attendance to the ball games?
Having talked with persons who have attended the ball games on free tickets passed out by businesses, they say that from their observation the attendance seems about 600 but sure is less than a 1,000.
The north city didn't want the traffic caused by businesses so businesses moved south.
Now it seems instead of "Take me back to Tulsa" it should be "Take me back to north Tulsa".
Then also there is the "When Saturday comes rolling around, we get our pay and head for town".
Do you think we need more debts for our grandchildren to pay off?
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Originally posted by shadows
Over the past three decades there has been a rumor that the dividing line between of the city has gone south. At present the line between North Tulsa and South Tulsa is being established at 41st street.
That may be true, as far as population figures are concerned, but the infrastructure of Tulsa extends just as far north of 41st street as it does south, if not greater. I live at 26th St. south and Yale, and can remember the time when this area was considered the very far southeast reaches of the city. I think Tulsa government made a very big mistake in 1966 when they annexed so much surrounding land and doubled the geographic area of town, sales tax issues and all considered; that is probably a main reason why the streets have deteriorated so much, we just bit off more than we could chew.
And I can't remember the last time I drove south of 51st street in Tulsa; I find all I need in "north Tulsa."
Shhhhhh, don't give away our secret of the easy life, low traffic, and less stress living in North Tulsa.
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Originally posted by AMP
Had to do some business in south Tulsa, 71st and Riverside, late this afternoon and sat through 30 minutes of traffic light hell.
Most everything I need is within a 2 mile radius of my mid town location.
Just be thankful you didn't have to go through 71st & Mingo, dude. THAT is traffic hell central.
Nice to meet you today. Sorry I never got over to say hi to Harpo (Rick).
Back at you at glad to meet folks from T-Town Now forum. Had fun at lunch, a much less stressful lunch-time for me has not been had in a while.
E-Gads, you had to remind me I must travel to 61st and Mingo in the morning to obtain an errant package from the "can't find many addresses in North Tulsa" UPS folks.
UPS
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If it were not the wrist bands for this weekends Bike Rally and Races I would leave it till next week.
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't I see a report on Fox 23 about how they had set the traffic light timers from Garnett to Memorial on 71st to speed up the flow of traffic going East and West ? The last time I traveled that stretch of road I caught almost every Red light available per what seems to be half a block.
It's a feng shui thing. South Tulsa has bad chi. Something about the energy being trapped in all those gated communities and cul-de-sacs...bouncing off the walls of big box churches and mega stores...I think it makes people cranky.
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Originally posted by PonderInc
It's a feng shui thing. South Tulsa has bad chi. Something about the energy being trapped in all those gated communities and cul-de-sacs...bouncing off the walls of big box churches and mega stores...I think it makes people cranky.
So that's my problem!
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It's a feng shui thing. South Tulsa has bad chi. Something about the energy being trapped in all those gated communities and cul-de-sacs...bouncing off the walls of big box churches and mega stores...I think it makes people cranky.
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I've actually thought that myself while being stuck in traffic. The mindlessness of sports talk radio started to make more sense and I had a strange craving for chain restaurants. That ain't livin' out there
Gold,
If talk radio started making sense it wasn't being stuck in traffic or the bad chi... you were probably drunk.
Oh, I was stone cold sober. Doing some work, in fact.
Sober and working?
I am sorry to hear that.[:)]
Since when did North Tulsa start at 41st street? That is the most idiotic thing I've read today. Tulsa is divided into 5 parts. North, South, East, West and midtown/downtown. The way I see it, North Tulsa starts at Admiral.
Shadows and Bear are the only people I've ever heard say that North Tulsa starts at 41st.
I suppose if you live at 121st and memorial (excuse me, South County *chuckle*), 41st street can *seem* north. However, that logic hints at an overly ego-centric and narcissistic attitude. I live in Oklahoma and Barbados might seem like a whole lotta south to me. In reality it is in the midtown of the earth (near the equator). *sigh*
If you live at 121st & Memorial you are either living in McDonald's, Pizza Hut, Drug Warehouse or a BOK that is going up.
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Originally posted by izmophonik
Since when did North Tulsa start at 41st street? That is the most idiotic thing I've read today. Tulsa is divided into 5 parts. North, South, East, West and midtown/downtown. The way I see it, North Tulsa starts at Admiral.
Many articles have used the 41st street as the dividing line of the N-S of the local economy. Tulsa's expansion of business and high dollar homes with the above average income families, is to South of 41st including West of the river. The development to the North of 41st is at standstill. The expansion to the East, although, there is much vacant land is negative. The only exception is that the Midtown "God little acreage" is being converted with taxpayers money to an ever duplicating entertainment Mecca.
Suppose the description should be the "Old Tulsa Town compared to the new Tulsa Town from 41st ".
If you think about it, where can you find a Starbucks north of 41st street?
There's about 94-billion of them south of 41st.
Just a thought...
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Originally posted by Husker013
If you think about it, where can you find a Starbucks north of 41st street?
There's about 94-billion of them south of 41st.
Just a thought...
If I am not mistaken, the first freestanding Starbucks was the one in Utica Square.
Also Downtown at the Crowne Plaza hotel, but I'd rather have Topeca please.
35th & Peoria or Utica Square if you're looking north of 41st for a Starbucks. Financial indicators might indicate the city is divided by certain areas but physically speaking the "North Side" will never start at 41st street.
What is a Starbucks?
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Originally posted by izmophonik
35th & Peoria or Utica Square if you're looking north of 41st for a Starbucks. Financial indicators might indicate the city is divided by certain areas but physically speaking the "North Side" will never start at 41st street.
I don't think there are any North and East of the BA. The BA might be a better divider since there is still some amount of civilization in Brookside (on the south side of the BA), but when you get further east, there isn't much point in English language advertising.
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Originally posted by bbriscoe
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Originally posted by izmophonik
35th & Peoria or Utica Square if you're looking north of 41st for a Starbucks. Financial indicators might indicate the city is divided by certain areas but physically speaking the "North Side" will never start at 41st street.
I don't think there are any North and East of the BA. The BA might be a better divider since there is still some amount of civilization in Brookside (on the south side of the BA), but when you get further east, there isn't much point in English language advertising.
You obviously are in your own little microcosm. I live out east and you make it sound like it's Tijuana when that absolutely isn't the case. There are little pockets of that, but I've seen that everywhere, not just east.
Just another case of midtown elitism.
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I am mainly near Admiral and Sheridan/Yale area and have never seen a Starbucks store or what ever it is.
I get everything I have needed in the past 10 years within 5 miles of my location. I do order a few specialty items such as tickets and wrist bands online. Most everything else comes from local distributors that are located nearby.
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Originally posted by AMP
I am mainly near Admiral and Sheridan/Yale area and have never seen a Starbucks store or what ever it is.
I get everything I have needed in the past 10 years within 5 miles of my location. I do order a few specialty items such as tickets and wrist bands online. Most everything else comes from local distributors that are located nearby.
Same goes for me, AMP. I am aware of Starbucks, but have never been inside one. I think I was in a local Java Dave's about 10 years ago. 3-4-5 bucks for a cup of coffee? There truly is one born every minute.
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by AMP
I am mainly near Admiral and Sheridan/Yale area and have never seen a Starbucks store or what ever it is.
I get everything I have needed in the past 10 years within 5 miles of my location. I do order a few specialty items such as tickets and wrist bands online. Most everything else comes from local distributors that are located nearby.
Same goes for me, AMP. I am aware of Starbucks, but have never been inside one. I think I was in a local Java Dave's about 10 years ago. 3-4-5 bucks for a cup of coffee? There truly is one born every minute.
But it's "upscale". It has to be worth it.
South Tulsa is the place where, by the time you get there, you just want to go back home.
You know, I am 41 y.o. and grew up in Tulsa. As far back as my memory can take me, parents and teachers taught children and students that the dividing line between North Tulsa and South Tulsa was Admiral. It was how they started teaching their kids to get around town, 41st was part of South Tulsa. You had Southland Mall and Southroads Mall. I grew up in NORTH Tulsa, 61st Street North and Cincinnati and it was a BIG DEAL to go to Southroads Mall.Yes I am white and was a minority where I grew up, but it taught me invaluable lessons growing up in that environment and graduating from Mclain High School.
I just feel that moving the North South dividing line is just a way to put 41 more blocks into the section of town that everyone can forget.
There should be NO "DIVIDING LINE" ,except for directional purposes.
I've met folks that think anything north of 51st is North Tulsa and I've met folks that think anything south of Pine is South Tulsa.
They are not very bright, huh?