FYI:
Checked this in snopes, and found nothing to counter the claim. It is signed by the accuser.
I am holding my breath waiting to hear this on NBC/ABC/CBS News.
I feel an obligation to honesty and truth to share with you some facts. My Father and Mother instilled in me thevalues and morals of treating people fairly and always being honest. If you purchase something, you pay for it. If you borrow something, you give it back.
I have been "stiffed" three times in my 30 year professional career by someone who I rendered services to, gave a finished product to, but who refused to pay for those services even though they acknowledged the services and products were correct, were what they asked for, and were never challenged for not being correct. I am lucky in having only three, but those three hurt badly.
Joe Biden was one of those people. I worked on his 1988 Presidential campaign financial disclosure engagement. I busted it for him and got everything right. He stiffed me for over $15,000 worth of work. He refused to pay once he dropped out of the race. I did similar Capitol Hill campaign financial disclosure work for Bob Dole, Pat Buchanan, and a Democratic candidate for Ambassador to New Zealand. All of those folks paid even though they lost the election or did not get the appointment. That type of work is very demanding and very tedious because your efforts are scrutinized by Congress. Biden did not care.
I am on the Board of Directors of a company that owns a majority position in a private jet management company in Northern Virginia. They manage jets for businesses and rich folks. They also charter planes to the public. This past winter John Thompson chartered over $250,000 worth of air time. He paid every penny.
Joe Biden, in his latest unsuccessful run for President, chartered over $150,000 worth of air time. He PAID ZERO. He continues to refuse to pay stating his race is over and he is out of money. He never once complained about his flights. Joe Biden is a rich man. He could pay.
Joe Biden is a liar and a cheat. I know it first hand. Character is what life is all about. Joe Biden is a man of bad character and sets a bad example for America.
I feel compelled to share this dark side of a man who asks for your vote and trust.
Best Regards,
Bruce D. Riddle, CPA, CFP
BDR Associates, LLC
2401 Research Boulevard, Suite 101
Rockville, MD 20850
Website - www.bdrtax.com
Interesting, according to Snopes, the debts have finally been paid in full. I would assume that Biden would have continued to stiff these people had he not been nominated for VP.
Cricket...cricket...cricket.....
What's worse? Stiffing someone for $150K or stiffing the American people for a couple of hundred million dollar bridge that you were for before you were against it?
If this guy has a problem with Biden, he can file a lawsuit. It appears he has not and I kind of fail to see the logic there.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/cpa-stiffed-by-biden.htm
From the TruthOrFiction site:
quote:
This email is authentic, but the author told TruthOrFiction.com that the matter has been resolved between him and Joe Biden and that part of the bill has been paid.
My favorite Dead Beats are Mickey Hart, Billy Kruetzeman, and Phil Lesh!
"Please, recognize the junk you are receiving, whether in emails and internet talk boards (anonymous), or in the airwaves (dominated by conservative infrastructure), as the manipulative misinformation and misdirection that it is."
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Originally posted by TURobY
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/cpa-stiffed-by-biden.htm
From the TruthOrFiction site:
quote:
This email is authentic, but the author told TruthOrFiction.com that the matter has been resolved between him and Joe Biden and that part of the bill has been paid.
And as I said at the bottom of my post, it appears Biden's debts were cleared AFTER he was chosen as the veep.
So what? Palin can't take back her lies. Where's the wrong?
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Originally posted by Gold
What's worse? Stiffing someone for $150K or stiffing the American people for a couple of hundred million dollar bridge that you were for before you were against it?
If this guy has a problem with Biden, he can file a lawsuit. It appears he has not and I kind of fail to see the logic there.
Maybe its true, maybe not. I don't trust Snopes or anyone's account during an election cycle.
REMEMBER! This is only his side of the story. He makes a good case but thats what lawyer's and judges are for. He can make this assertion and ends up forcing Biden to pay whether the facts are true or not! What is happening to this country when we totally believe every potential allegation presented because it fits our own political views?
Here's a thought. He might be lying and the campaign had to pay him off because its faster than dragging out a lawsuit during a campaign.
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Originally posted by waterboy
What is happening to this country when we totally believe every potential allegation presented because it fits our own political views?
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Originally posted by FOTARD
So what? Palin can't take back her lies. Where's the wrong?
God, the irony in that quote being right above yours is juicy.
Did we also forget about this:
"Biden ran for President in 1987 but dropped out six months before the first primary after he was found to have lifted parts of a speech on his personal background from British politician Neil Kinnock."
Source: Time Magazine Article (//%22http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1835499_1835498_1835493,00.html%22)
Biden's character should be being questioned to a much larger degree than almost anyone's.
You'll also notice his presidential bid was in 1987....that's when he was flying around for free by not paying (until he was picked as current VP candidate).
...let's see $150,000 x 18% APR for ten years...
UPDATED:
"Overall, the Delaware Democrat paid off $545,445 in debts and obligations after receiving almost $2 million in federal matching funds, according to the report."
...so, YOU paid it for him.
Delaware Online (//%22http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080821/NEWS/80821055/1006%22)
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Originally posted by Wrinkle
Did we also forget about this:
"Biden ran for President in 1987 but dropped out six months before the first primary after he was found to have lifted parts of a speech on his personal background from British politician Neil Kinnock."
Source: Time Magazine Article (//%22http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1835499_1835498_1835493,00.html%22)
Biden's character should be being questioned to a much larger degree than almost anyone's.
You'll also notice his presidential bid was in 1987....that's when he was flying around for free by not paying (until he was picked as current VP candidate).
...let's see $150,000 x 18% APR for ten years...
UPDATED:
"Overall, the Delaware Democrat paid off $545,445 in debts and obligations after receiving almost $2 million in federal matching funds, according to the report."
...so, YOU paid it for him.
Delaware Online (//%22http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080821/NEWS/80821055/1006%22)
Pales in comparrison....one time he failed to note the quote as he had done numerous times before.
Conehead and the rest of his repukes continue to divert attention away from the real issues at hand like the environment and the economy (stupids). The politics of negativeity and distraction. How UNAMERICAN can you guys be?
Conan,
This post has no teeth. For liberals, a man who is unable or unwilling to pay his personal debts is viewed with honor rather than distain.
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Originally posted by Gaspar
Conan,
This post has no teeth. For liberals, a man who is unable or unwilling to pay his personal debts is viewed with honor rather than distain.
Another out right lie.
Pathological.....
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Originally posted by FOTD
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Originally posted by Wrinkle
Did we also forget about this:
"Biden ran for President in 1987 but dropped out six months before the first primary after he was found to have lifted parts of a speech on his personal background from British politician Neil Kinnock."
Source: Time Magazine Article (//%22http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1835499_1835498_1835493,00.html%22)
Biden's character should be being questioned to a much larger degree than almost anyone's.
You'll also notice his presidential bid was in 1987....that's when he was flying around for free by not paying (until he was picked as current VP candidate).
...let's see $150,000 x 18% APR for ten years...
UPDATED:
"Overall, the Delaware Democrat paid off $545,445 in debts and obligations after receiving almost $2 million in federal matching funds, according to the report."
...so, YOU paid it for him.
Delaware Online (//%22http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080821/NEWS/80821055/1006%22)
Pales in comparrison....one time he failed to note the quote as he had done numerous times before.
Conehead and the rest of his repukes continue to divert attention away from the real issues at hand like the environment and the economy (stupids). The politics of negativeity and distraction. How UNAMERICAN can you guys be?
Oh, it's about the economy now, eh? Not "bearding" babies? I thought THAT was the issue, dupe bag.
Speaking of economics, how about Biden making it easier for credit card companies to prey upon the "little people"?
What good has mountains of consumer debt done for the economy, FOTD?
Why did Biden work to assure that large corporate lenders would be mostly shielded from consumer bankruptcy?
That's a serious issue.
No wonder 95% of Americans supposedly need a tax break, they need it to keep paying interest and profit to Senator Biden's (D-MBNA) special interest group.
Where are the Dims to protect the weak, stupid ones from themselves on that issue?
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Originally posted by Wrinkle
Did we also forget about this:
"Biden ran for President in 1987 but dropped out six months before the first primary after he was found to have lifted parts of a speech on his personal background from British politician Neil Kinnock."
Source: Time Magazine Article (//%22http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1835499_1835498_1835493,00.html%22)
Biden's character should be being questioned to a much larger degree than almost anyone's.
You'll also notice his presidential bid was in 1987....that's when he was flying around for free by not paying (until he was picked as current VP candidate).
...let's see $150,000 x 18% APR for ten years...
UPDATED:
"Overall, the Delaware Democrat paid off $545,445 in debts and obligations after receiving almost $2 million in federal matching funds, according to the report."
...so, YOU paid it for him.
Delaware Online (//%22http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080821/NEWS/80821055/1006%22)
It's a pattern w/ him. He was also caught plagiarizing on a first year law school paper. He claimed he didn't know better. I knew how to cite sources when I was a sophomore in high school. At a bare minimum, someone would have learned that in freshman comp.
He's inherently dishonest.
I told you FOTD. It hardly seems worth the effort. They prefer to be led by the blind and fed by the diseased yet curse those who make note of it.
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Originally posted by waterboy
I told you FOTD. It hardly seems worth the effort. They prefer to be led by the blind and fed by the diseased yet curse those who make note of it.
If you were as good with logic as you are with prose you'd be a great conservative...such as shame that you throw in with the likes of the FauxTurd. You used to be a reasonable guy. I think you've been spending too much time in the Arkansas river lately.
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Originally posted by Conan71
quote:
Originally posted by Wrinkle
Did we also forget about this:
"Biden ran for President in 1987 but dropped out six months before the first primary after he was found to have lifted parts of a speech on his personal background from British politician Neil Kinnock."
Source: Time Magazine Article (//%22http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1835499_1835498_1835493,00.html%22)
Biden's character should be being questioned to a much larger degree than almost anyone's.
You'll also notice his presidential bid was in 1987....that's when he was flying around for free by not paying (until he was picked as current VP candidate).
...let's see $150,000 x 18% APR for ten years...
UPDATED:
"Overall, the Delaware Democrat paid off $545,445 in debts and obligations after receiving almost $2 million in federal matching funds, according to the report."
...so, YOU paid it for him.
Delaware Online (//%22http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080821/NEWS/80821055/1006%22)
It's a pattern w/ him. He was also caught plagiarizing on a first year law school paper. He claimed he didn't know better. I knew how to cite sources when I was a sophomore in high school. At a bare minimum, someone would have learned that in freshman comp.
He's inherently dishonest.
Well maybe he went to Public School.
Nope. . . He went to Archmere Academy in Delaware.
Holy crap Batman! Archmere cost around $12,000 a year in 1961. Biden had some good parents.
Obama and McCain are simultaneously killed. Who would you prefer, Palin or Biden?
Enough?
quote:
Originally posted by FOTD
Obama and McCain are simultaneously killed. Who would you prefer, Palin or Biden?
Enough?
Palin.
Biden has never run anything in his life. Even his presidential campaigns were huge failures.
A caveman would be better!
(http://rummage.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/senator-caveman.jpg)
Gaspar the ghost writer.....err, graphic con artist. That stuff will work on the Dumbf*ckistanians! VERY creative for a numb skull.
Hey. I respect Biden's blue collar roots, and his tough climb to success. His poor father struggled to put him through private parochial school. Scratching out a meager income as a sales executive for a Oil company, and an executive for a military coatings company, and the owner of an airport and crop-dusting company.
I feel that he is well educated, well spoken, and very good at maintaining office. I also feel that his constituents admire and respect him.
I do not feel that he has any executive experience. He has never held a job (besides office). He has never even received a pay check except from the US Government. Never even made fries or swept a floor.
He has certainly never had any experience managing finances, or budgets, only spending. In his lifetime he has spent disproportionately more than he has earned.
Sorry Vriend van de duivel, that's all I have to go by. If you have some vast amount of evidence to the contrary please share and I will re-evaluate my opinion.
quote:
Originally posted by Gaspar
Well maybe he went to Public School.
Nope. . . He went to Archmere Academy in Delaware.
Holy crap Batman! Archmere cost around $12,000 a year in 1961. Biden had some good parents.
So where is the Joe Biden (D-MBNA) family fortune now? Or did his parents put the tuition on their credit cards? Did he piss it all away like the drunken liberal he is?
Biden has never even been a Community Organizer!
quote:
Originally posted by Gaspar
Conan,
This post has no teeth. For liberals, a man who is unable or unwilling to pay his personal debts is viewed with honor rather than distain.
Post of the year...
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw
quote:
Originally posted by waterboy
I told you FOTD. It hardly seems worth the effort. They prefer to be led by the blind and fed by the diseased yet curse those who make note of it.
If you were as good with logic as you are with prose you'd be a great conservative...such as shame that you throw in with the likes of the FauxTurd. You used to be a reasonable guy. I think you've been spending too much time in the Arkansas river lately.
I'm still a reasonable guy. Its just my election period. [;)]
The Arkansas has restorative powers. Kayaking your butt off powers up the endorphins.
quote:
Originally posted by waterboy
quote:
Originally posted by iplaw
quote:
Originally posted by waterboy
I told you FOTD. It hardly seems worth the effort. They prefer to be led by the blind and fed by the diseased yet curse those who make note of it.
If you were as good with logic as you are with prose you'd be a great conservative...such as shame that you throw in with the likes of the FauxTurd. You used to be a reasonable guy. I think you've been spending too much time in the Arkansas river lately.
I'm still a reasonable guy. Its just my election period. [;)]
The Arkansas has restorative powers. Kayaking your butt off powers up the endorphins.
Yeah, but you yakkers are facing the wrong way in the boat. [;)]
Good flow last two nights, back over 3 ft at 11th st.
And smooth too. Very little wind. I run for my legs and lungs, I kayak for my waist and my shoulders.
I like to see where I'm going so that rowing stuff doesn't appeal to me. Pretty though and fast.
Re Tuition at Archmere in 1957 when Joe Biden entered as a Freshman - This was $350 per year.
quote:
Originally posted by Wrinkle
Did we also forget about this:
"Biden ran for President in 1987 but dropped out six months before the first primary after he was found to have lifted parts of a speech on his personal background from British politician Neil Kinnock."
Source: Time Magazine Article (//%22http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1835499_1835498_1835493,00.html%22)
Biden's character should be being questioned to a much larger degree than almost anyone's.
You'll also notice his presidential bid was in 1987....that's when he was flying around for free by not paying (until he was picked as current VP candidate).
...let's see $150,000 x 18% APR for ten years...
UPDATED:
"Overall, the Delaware Democrat paid off $545,445 in debts and obligations after receiving almost $2 million in federal matching funds, according to the report."
...so, YOU paid it for him.
Delaware Online (//%22http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080821/NEWS/80821055/1006%22)
Let's see.... Biden has a problem with plagiarism.... and then this trumped up charge from grasping-at-straws republicans...
And what exactly, was John McCain doing in 1987???
http://www.slate.com/id/1004633/
In early 1987, at the beginning of his first Senate term, McCain attended two meetings with federal banking regulators to discuss an investigation into Lincoln Savings and Loan, an Irvine, Calif., thrift owned by Arizona developer Charles Keating. Federal auditors were investigating Keating's banking practices, and Keating, fearful that the government would seize his S&L, sought intervention from a number of U.S. senators.
At Keating's behest, four senators--McCain and Democrats Dennis DeConcini of Arizona, Alan Cranston of California, and John Glenn of Ohio--met with Ed Gray, chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board, on April 2. Those four senators and Sen. Don Riegle, D-Mich., attended a second meeting at Keating's behest on April 9 with bank regulators in San Francisco.
Regulators did not seize Lincoln Savings and Loan until two years later. The Lincoln bailout cost taxpayers $2.6 billion, making it the biggest of the S&L scandals. In addition, 17,000 Lincoln investors lost $190 million.
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But Keating was more than a constituent to McCain--he was a longtime friend and associate. McCain met Keating in 1981 at a Navy League dinner in Arizona where McCain was the speaker. Keating was a former naval aviator himself, and the two men became friends. Keating raised money for McCain's two congressional campaigns in 1982 and 1984, and for McCain's 1986 Senate bid. By 1987, McCain campaigns had received $112,000 from Keating, his relatives, and his employees--the most received by any of the Keating Five. (Keating raised a total of $300,000 for the five senators.)
After McCain's election to the House in 1982, he and his family made at least nine trips at Keating's expense, three of which were to Keating's Bahamas retreat. McCain did not disclose the trips (as he was required to under House rules) until the scandal broke in 1989. At that point, he paid Keating $13,433 for the flights.
And in April 1986, one year before the meeting with the regulators, McCain's wife, Cindy, and her father invested $359,100 in a Keating strip mall.
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Compare Joe Biden to the Keating Five in 1987... rinse, repeat...
You'd think the TulsaNow republican political forum junta wouldn't have the audacity to talk about events in 1987.
Especially considering the chilling similarities between the current financial crisis to the Keating Five S&L crisis that highlights McCain's poor judgement in 1987.... or not, I guess... [:o)]
Keep spinnin'
Easy there Ruffnek, you appear to be getting a little rusting around the collar.
This crap was already attempted and beat into submission in an adjacent thread HERE (//%22http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11577%22)
Your guy Bob Bennett said this:
quote:
"First, I should tell your listeners I'm a registered Democrat, so I'm not on (McCain's) side of a lot of issues. But I investigated John McCain for a year and a half, at least, when I was special counsel to the Senate Ethics Committee in the Keating Five. ... And if there is one thing I am absolutely confident of, it is John McCain is an honest man. I recommended to the Senate Ethics Committee that he be cut out of the case, that there was no evidence against him."
So, how does that compare, in simple terms of character, to a guy who stiffs even those helping his campaign by over half a million dollars, then decides to pay it as part of his negotiations with Obama and his party to pick him as candidate for VP ten years after the fact?
Then, pays it with OUR money?
Chump doesen't even begin to describe this joker.