Recently while at the dog park with my family, a woman was extremely rude to us, causing my daughter to cry. My 5 year old and I were playing frizbe off to the side within the dog park and this woman made point to come over and point out the rule about not haveing kids in the park. I explained that I know what the rule is, but that we have been comming here every weekend WITH MY DAUGHTER and never had a problem, that is why we are over here. Long story short, she freakin called 911. My poor daughter was crying thinking that we were going to jail. It was really a sad ordeal. Needless to say, we left, but we WILL continue to go there. So everybody with a child please be ware of this crazy lady who obviously has no life. She is about 50-60 yrs of age with a long gray braid and leathery skin. She has a black dog and I think she considers herself the dog park police. While we were there, she managed to point out that there was a couple of dogs who had not been nutered and even got on to a sweet couple for not picking up poop, when all they were doing was waiting for their dog to finish. Please sound off and let me know what fellow Tulsans think. Am I in the wrong?
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Originally posted by Trena
Recently while at the dog park with my family, a woman was extremely rude to us, causing my daughter to cry. My 5 year old and I were playing frizbe off to the side within the dog park and this woman made point to come over and point out the rule about not haveing kids in the park. I explained that I know what the rule is, but that we have been comming here every weekend WITH MY DAUGHTER and never had a problem, that is why we are over here. Long story short, she freakin called 911. My poor daughter was crying thinking that we were going to jail. It was really a sad ordeal. Needless to say, we left, but we WILL continue to go there. So everybody with a child please be ware of this crazy lady who obviously has no life. She is about 50-60 yrs of age with a long gray braid and leathery skin. She has a black dog and I think she considers herself the dog park police. While we were there, she managed to point out that there was a couple of dogs who had not been nutered and even got on to a sweet couple for not picking up poop, when all they were doing was waiting for their dog to finish. Please sound off and let me know what fellow Tulsans think. Am I in the wrong?
Uhhh, Yeah.
The rules against having children inside the dog area are clearly posted. Did you not read the rules or did you think they didn't apply to you because you got away with breaking them before?
I am not excusing the lady being rude. But I agree with the rule in this case.
Yeah, she's been rude to several people including me, but I just laughed at her...I'm finding that many of the people there think they are special. Oh well.
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Originally posted by Trena
Recently while at the dog park with my family, a woman was extremely rude to us, causing my daughter to cry. My 5 year old and I were playing frizbe off to the side within the dog park and this woman made point to come over and point out the rule about not haveing kids in the park. I explained that I know what the rule is, but that we have been comming here every weekend WITH MY DAUGHTER and never had a problem, that is why we are over here. Long story short, she freakin called 911. My poor daughter was crying thinking that we were going to jail. It was really a sad ordeal. Needless to say, we left, but we WILL continue to go there. So everybody with a child please be ware of this crazy lady who obviously has no life. She is about 50-60 yrs of age with a long gray braid and leathery skin. She has a black dog and I think she considers herself the dog park police. While we were there, she managed to point out that there was a couple of dogs who had not been nutered and even got on to a sweet couple for not picking up poop, when all they were doing was waiting for their dog to finish. Please sound off and let me know what fellow Tulsans think. Am I in the wrong?
Tell her to kiss your grASS....!
The park has that rule to protect your daughter. A 5-year-old doesn't have a clue how to handle a dog that might become aggressive towards her. You shouldn't be taking her there. Sorry, but it's a good policy.
Now calling 911 on you was completely out of line and that's not what 911 is for -- it certainly wasn't an emergency! I hope she was reprimanded for misuse of the 911 system.
The neutering rule is also a very good one. A un-neutered male Westie tried to molest our male Schnauzer last week. It was embarrassing for the Westie's owners and he was a nuisance to us and our dog. He wouldn't leave our dog alone.
The Bark Park is a great addition to the community and our dog loves it. But if the rules aren't followed, and it becomes a playground for kids, many, including us, will stop going there.
Eh, I don't mind kids as long as they are under direct and immediate supervision of their parents. Luckily, I haven't had any issues at the dog park. My dog has a tendency to bark at random guys for no reason. He barked at one guy for a good 10-15 seconds and it definitely made me feel bad/awkward, but so far, that's the worst experience we've had.
On another note, what happened to the big pool? The first week it was open, there were two pools. Now only the small pool remains.
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Originally posted by Nik
Eh, I don't mind kids as long as they are under direct and immediate supervision of their parents. Luckily, I haven't had any issues at the dog park. My dog has a tendency to bark at random guys for no reason. He barked at one guy for a good 10-15 seconds and it definitely made me feel bad/awkward, but so far, that's the worst experience we've had.
On another note, what happened to the big pool? The first week it was open, there were two pools. Now only the small pool remains.
Park users bring the pools for everyone to use. Someone probably took it, or the wind did.
Shouldn't dogs, kids, families and park all go together? what the heck? Some people just don't have a life. There's like 25 rules for the bark park and not a single rule that says "Have Fun"
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Originally posted by mike1030
Shouldn't dogs, kids, families and park all go together? what the heck? Some people just don't have a life. There's like 25 rules for the bark park and not a single rule that says "Have Fun"
Yes, families should have fun with their dogs, but there are other family dogs in the park and safety is a priority. If you insist on your children playing with your family dog allow it in your home/yard.
Allow the dogs to enjoy themselves at the park. Be considerate and follow the rules. The park is for the dogs not children. There's other parks for children around town.
could the rules be posted here? I have not been yet.
http://tulsabarkpark.com/park-rules/
Park Rules / Information
The following rules and regulations are adopted by the Tulsa Park and Recreation Board for the safety and convenience of the public using an off-leash park area. Upon approval of these rules and regulations by the City Council and subsequent filing with the Office of the City Clerk and public posting at an off-leash park area, any person found guilty of violating these rules and regulations shall be subject to the penalties set forth by ordinance.
1.An "off-leash park area" is an area within a City of Tulsa park designated by the Parks & Recreation Board for the purpose of allowing dogs to roam without leashes.
2."Owner" means any person, firm or corporation in possession and control of or custody of a dog.
3.Any owner bringing a dog into an off-leash park area shall be responsible for complying with these rules and any other rule, regulation and ordinance necessary to protect the health, welfare and safety of park users.
4.An owner bringing a dog into an off-leash area is liable for and assumes the risk for the dog's conduct.
5.No person under 18 years of age shall be permitted to bring a dog into an off-leash park area.
6.For safety reasons, children must be at least 12 years old and supervised by an adult to use the dog park. Children must behave in a responsible manner: no running, chasing dogs, or petting dogs without the owner's permission.
7.A dog outside an off-leash park area shall be under the physical control of its owner by means of a leash not exceeding six (6) feet in length or be under the owner's immediate control. Dogs are recommended be kept on a leash until the owners/custodian and dog(s) are in the dog park and the entrance gates are fully closed after entry.
8.A dog within an off-leash park area shall be under the owner's immediate control. All patrons of the Dog Park must carry their leash with them at all times.
9.An owner of a dog creating a disturbance or not being properly controlled can be evicted from an off-leash park area. Upon leaving an off-leash park area, an evicted owner shall also remove his or her dog.
10.No person having been convicted of allowing a dog to bite, chase or attack any person or animal without provocation shall be permitted to bring a dog into an off-leash park area.
11.Any dog within an off-leash park area shall not be under four (4) months of age, and shall be currently vaccinated against rabies and have a current City of Tulsa license affixed or attached to the dog's collar or harness.
12.No dog more than six (6) months old which has not been spayed or neutered shall be permitted within an off-leash park area except if the dog is owned and used by the Tulsa Police Department as a police dog or the owner has secured a hobbyist exemption permit issued by the City of Tulsa.
13.No female dog "in heat" shall be permitted within an off-leash park area.
14.No dog which is injured or diseased shall be permitted within an off-leash park area.
15.Any excreta deposited in an off-leash park area shall be promptly removed and appropriately disposed by the dog's owner.
16.No vicious dog, as defined by the City of Tulsa Animal Code, shall be permitted within an off-leash park area.
17.Any dog left unattended within an off-leash park area shall be deemed "at-large" in violation of the City of Tulsa Animal Code.
18. No owner and dog shall enter or remain within an off-leash park area between one half (1/2) hour after sunset until one half (1/2) hour before sunrise except where the City of Tulsa provides an illuminated off-leash park area then a curfew extending from 11:00 PM to 5:00 AM shall be observed.
19. No dog weighing more than 30 pounds shall be permitted within an area designated for small dogs. Owners allowing their small dogs to enter a designated Large Dog Area do so at their own risk and assume responsibility for whatever damage or injury may result.
20. No food, treats, alcoholic beverages (soft drinks and water are allowed), squeaky toys, or children's toys are allowed in the dog park. This is a recreation park for dogs accompanied by their owners.
21.Smoking shall be prohibited within an off-leash park area.
22.No professional dog trainer/behaviorist shall conduct any training or business activity within an off-leash park area.
23. No more than three dogs per person on any one visit.
24. Bicycles, rollerblades, rollerskates, skateboards, and strollers are prohibited.
This is a recreation park for dogs accompanied by their owners.
(Wheel chairs are allowed.)
25. Fill in any holes your dog may dig or make appropriate repairs to disturbed areas.
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26.Playing catch (i.e., football, baseball, etc.) or using remote controlled toys, which can cause harm to the dogs in the park, is not allowed.
27.Choke, prong, pinch, and spike collars must be removed inside park area.
28.Dog behavior can be unpredictable around other dogs and strangers. For the safety of all the dogs at the parks, immediately leash your dog if it exhibits aggressive behavior and leave the dog park area. Protect yourself and your dog. If aggressive behavior is observed, take immediate action: either move your dog to another part of the park, or leave the park.
All incidents and injuries should be reported to the City of Tulsa Police Department by calling (918) 596-9222 weekdays; 8:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m.. On weekends and holidays, please call 911
My dumb ***** thinks she is the uber dog. In spite of what the Dog Whisperer says she knows I am in charge (I can take the food bowl, sit stay, etc.) and respects her "brother" and a couple other dogs we hang out with, but when a new dog comes around or we go to a park it's on.
Thoughts?
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Per the above: the lady is a jerk. No need to be rude about it, she simply should have said that she knows some dogs are not good with children and that is why the rule is in place. Remind you that it is a safety issue for your daughter and a comfort issue for the dogs.
I have a boy a little older than that who is good with animals, but still not a good idea to bring him in. 99% chance nothing happens, but rules is rules.
Cannon, have you taken her to an off leash park? Dogs behave very differently when they are on their leash...they are doing what they percieve is their job: protecting you and the pack. Same thing at home; they are in protect mode.
Take her to the park, she will figure it out very quickly and have a great time. You'll be right there and if she feels threatened or scared she will run to you. Keep the leash on you and get her out if she can't handle it, but I doubt it will come to that.
Carlton -- you are so right! We didn't know how Cooper was going to react to the dog park. It took him about half a second to figure it out and leave us in the dust. It was such a kick seeing him take off and run the entire park and greet every human -- he was more interested in people than the other dogs: (hey, did you meet me yet? gimme some love. OK, that's good. gotta move on, I got more people who need to see me.)
Seeing those dogs play like that is watching pure joy.
I've had the exact same experience with my dog. She can be a holy terror when walking on-leash in the neighborhood, but she has never had any problem whatsoever with other dogs at dog parks...
I must get a "hobbyest" permit as my dog has:
[8][8]'s ; but just 2 of them.
That will be fun...my lil guy running around...she will come over and see the [8][8]'s and i will whip out my hobbyest permit...she will quake with anger and be able to do nada!
Here's what they're saying about this issue over at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tulsabarkpark/. You have to join the group to see messages, so I went ahead and posted their thread here to get all sides!
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#749
Date: Sun Sep 7, 2008 9:01 pm
Subject: joestationdogpark.com comment....
I received this comment on the joestationdogpark.com website.
Comment : Since the opening of the park, my family and I have been
enjoying the park along with our dog Eva Deva, never having a problem.
Today however, is different story. My five year old daughter and I
were playing frizbe off to the side, inside the park. A rough looking
lady starting yelling at me in front of my daughter telling me that
she can not be here. I told her that I knew the rules and that I am
her mother and will keep her close. She went on and on and finally
called 911. We were so mortafied that we left with my daughter crying.
Now, being a mother of three, I understand that this rule is for the
safety of the children, but as her mother, it is my reponsibility to
make sure she does not get hurt, which is what I was doing. This lady
made a point to come over and bother us. Well, she made her point. We
WILL continue to go there and I WILL continue to bring my daughter.
Please let me know how you feel in this matter. Let me also say, that
since we have been going to the park, my dog along with my daughter
have made a ton of new friends. Everytime we go there, there is at
least 4 or five kids and they are all having the time of their life.
Sincerely, Trena
I have the contact information if someone more official would like to
contact her. Just let me know.
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#750
Date: Sun Sep 7, 2008 9:22 pm
Subject: Re: joestationdogpark.com comment....
My comment would be...it is NEVER our job to make someone feel bad or humiliate anyone. I'd only personally call the cops if i felt someone's safety were in jeopardy, not because some woman said, "I know the rules and I'm keeping my daughter safe and I'm aware." At that point I'd say that I just wanted to be sure she was aware of the rules and the danger and let it go. Now if her child were hitting dogs with sticks and she refused to do anything, I'd call the police...but really...no one should be verbally roughing people up.
Jaime
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#752
Date: Mon Sep 8, 2008 12:14 am
Subject: Re: joestationdogpark.com comment....
I understand that you love your kid and it's my belief that this was mishandled but as an owner of a large dog who will playfully chase a child. Everytime someone Bri be there kids my dog has to leave because it's a risk that the kid might do something to cause my dog to want to play, and we all know that even in a dog park the dogs always lose in court. So while you were both wrong, continuing to violate the rules and ruin the dog park for Dogowners is very unfair. I know you love your kid but my dog can't run free at your kids parks so please don't bring your kids to my dogs park.
JJ
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#753
Date: Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:04 am
Subject: Re:joestationdogpark.com comment....
I feel as long as a parent knows the rules and that they are responsible for any injuries to their child, that is all that should be said to them. Just letting them know that they are legally responsible if anything happens should be enough. I would also let them know that it would be safe for their small child to watch all the dogs from the bleachers. This just shows that there is a need for a seperate play surface for the children where one parent could be with the child that plays and one could be with the family dog. This would make the outing a family event.
This weekend we needed to switch the open gate to the locked gate so the mud puddle can dry up.
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#754
Date: Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:24 am
Subject: Re: Re:joestationdogpark.com comment....
The problem is, the parent is NOT legally responsible. You can say all you want at the park or on this forum, but when it winds up in court, the dog looses...period. If one child is let in, then why can't all be let in? After all, we know that every parent and every child is perfect and responsible.
We also leave if a child shows up inside the park. We have not stopped and gone back home because there were small children inside the park. Try explaining that to 3 very excited dogs.
What concerns me the most is, why are you teaching your children it's OK to break the rules? Good luck with that when they are teenagers.
Caren
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#757
Date: Mon Sep 8, 2008 11:23 am
Subject: Re: joestationdogpark.com comment....
The under 12 rule is not just a rule, it is my understanding that it
has been adopted as part of the city ordinances for the parks. If so,
any parent found in violation of that law can be cited and fined.
Should a child be injured within the park a parent could (and in my
opinion should) be cited for willful child endangerment and/or
negligent care resulting in injury to a child.
However the final liability for a child's injury within the Dog Park
will fall to the owner of the dog and the dog. The medical care for
the child's injury could end up being the responsibility of the pet
owner. The dog could be put down. NO matter how many warnings are
posted about the danger to the child, the dog will be the one who
suffers for injuring a child.
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#760
Date: Mon Sep 8, 2008 4:33 pm
Subject: Re:joestationdogpark.com comment....
(This is to the lady that brought her child into the park and was
treated rudely)
Dear Park Goer,
I am so sorry that you were treated unkindly at the dog park! No one
ever deserves to be "yelled at." Please know (from a fellow
ambassador) that during our "training" it was never suggested to be
anything but kind and considerate to all the park goers. The true
purpose of the dog park was to build a community where dogs & humans
alike could go and enjoy safely.
However, I would like to point out that it sounds like the "rough
looking lady" was making a valid point. You were breaking a
rule/law. I don't feel like yelling is a correct way to handle any
situation, but I don't feel like ignoring the law is correct either.
You make a point that the child rule is for your child's protection,
which is only half true. That rule is for our dog's protection as
well. Both you and the other party were in the wrong in this
situation. Please know that when you break the rules, it disrupts one
of the major purposes of the park#61664;building a wonderful community for
all dogs and owners to safely enjoy. Even if you have seen children
in the park, they don't belong either. Please be aware that not only
do you deserve to be treated respectfully, so do all the other people
who don't appreciate a child being in a no-child area. People will
not give respect to those who are blatantly being disrespectful. When
you choose to put our community at risk, when you choose to disrespect
the rules we have instilled for OUR safety, you choose the
repercussions that we have all agreed on. That repercussion is a call
to the police.
I do hope that you understand that we all just want to have a good
time out there. Once again, my apologies about the lady yelling at
you. I do hope you can try and see the other side of this story.
Suzy
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#762
Date: Mon Sep 8, 2008 6:19 pm
Subject: Re:joestationdogpark.com comment....
I'd like to add on to the whole "police call" thing & say that this
is only necessary in a volital situation. :D
okay, so I understand the lady was rude, but the rule is there because some of the dogs that come to the park are a little high strung. I'm not saying that they are bad dogs, just saying that I've had my feet taken right out from under me by a running dog. It's your own decision if you choose to bring your child, but I'm not comfortable seeing children there and I know it worries many of the other dog owners too. I don't want to see a child get hurt and I would think as her mother you would see that. As for the big pool... It broke. the bottom came right out from under it. My dog loved that thing too and he doesn't even fit in the smaller ones, but until someone brings another one out, that's all we have.
Tulsa World today:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080914_11_A17_BarkPa873637
"Dogs love the city's first off-leash park, and pet owners are happy, too."