Sarah Palin seemed to wow the commentators, even Chris Matthews said she speaks better than most members of Congress. All acknowledged her speech was written for her...well duh. Just to be fair, I watch the speech and aftermath on MSNBC.
The message was great, I felt it matched the peronality, and she was not intimidated in the least.
The points brought up in the speech were great rallying points and I think she eased any concern the GOP base had for her.
One quote which really stuck with me was that Obama had authored two memoirs, but has never authored significant legislation. Wow, that smarts!
Can anyone mention at least three significant accomplishments Obama has made in his political career? All I ever seem to get is a list of his job titles, not his accomplishments. All we seem to get out of people in Chicago are: "He got lots of things done for SS Chicago". "He got lots of good things done in the Ill. Senate." Okay, specifics? Three things in each job- organizer, state Senator, U.S. Senator- as in his own legislation, not something he glommed on to.
Amazing, simply amazing
She's terrific!
Honestly, political speeches and all that normally bore me after about 5 minutes, but she kept me captivated the entire speech. She's just what the McCain ticket needed.
I think she delivered, and very well.
It was the perfect introduction to her. She is smart and engaging, and will be a formidable opponent in the debates. I'd like to see a Palin/Obama debate, cause I think she would eat him up.
Don't Republicans dislike mean, agressive women politicians? I thought that was why so many dislike Hillary Clinton. Palin's speech was very mean spirited and cynical.
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Originally posted by highroadtaker
Don't Republicans dislike mean, agressive women politicians? I thought that was why so many dislike Hillary Clinton. Palin's speech was very mean spirited and cynical.
No. We dislike Hillary because she is deceptive, cunning, and dishonest.
Aggressive is good.
Do you think she is mean because she fired corrupt officials? Well than ok, we like that too!
Awesome speech. Even Biden was impressed. He was a stuttering gentleman in the interviews this morning, but a gentleman none the less.
Can't wait for the debates.
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Originally posted by jiminy
It was the perfect introduction to her. She is smart and engaging, and will be a formidable opponent in the debates. I'd like to see a Palin/Obama debate, cause I think she would eat him up.
Maybe ... that is, until someone brings up the facts:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check;_ylt=Aj.Mj4OD2Hx77etiXkSWsoBh24cA
She is a good speaker, but reminded me of a semi-skilled high school debater who can argue a point nicely but only on the basis of a dubious premise. Almost everything good she said about herself and everything negative she said about Obama was not accurate. Examples: She said "no thanks" to the "bridge to nowhere" (after first supporting it), but then kept the money. She said that Obama is using "hope" to advance his career, while McCain is using his career to advance hope - when in fact I don't know what she means about McCain and Obama is clearly a patriot and seeks to improve the country as much as McCain is/does. She claimed that Obama is going to raise taxes, when he is going to reduce them (including capital gains taxes) on 95% of Americans. She claimed that Obama has never said what he would do as President, when he has clearly laid it out many times. I could go on... This may have excited the Republican masses, but when the day is done, this will be shown as nothing more than the recycled falsehoods that we've been seeing all summer and the speech of a well-spoken and tough individual who is reckless with the facts.
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Originally posted by Gaspar
Awesome speech. Even Biden was impressed. He was a stuttering gentleman in the interviews this morning, but a gentleman none the less.
Can't wait for the debates.
Yep. Biden should tear her up in a debate setting.
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Originally posted by Conan71
Sarah Palin seemed to wow the commentators, even Chris Matthews said she speaks better than most members of Congress. All acknowledged her speech was written for her...well duh. Just to be fair, I watch the speech and aftermath on MSNBC.
The message was great, I felt it matched the peronality, and she was not intimidated in the least.
The points brought up in the speech were great rallying points and I think she eased any concern the GOP base had for her.
One quote which really stuck with me was that Obama had authored two memoirs, but has never authored significant legislation. Wow, that smarts!
Can anyone mention at least three significant accomplishments Obama has made in his political career? All I ever seem to get is a list of his job titles, not his accomplishments. All we seem to get out of people in Chicago are: "He got lots of things done for SS Chicago". "He got lots of good things done in the Ill. Senate." Okay, specifics? Three things in each job- organizer, state Senator, U.S. Senator- as in his own legislation, not something he glommed on to.
Obama has done some very impressive things. He was raised by a wonderful single mother.
He was a community organizer, he was a good student, and he overcame recreational cocaine and marijuana habits.
He became a celebrated collegiate scholar. Upon graduation he became a Lawyer and was smart enough to immediately run for office to avoid a long track record of legal experience that could harm him.
He was elected to the state senate and smart enough to immediately start running for federal office before he could develop a track record that could harm him. By simply voting "present" on over 130 legislative issues he avoided criticism from either side.
He was elected to federal office and smart enough to immediately start running for president before authoring a single important bill or making a any important legislative decision.
As Bill Clinton says he is a farytale. That in itself is a great accomplishment. Some day my daughter wants to be in a farytale, as a princess.
Obama is proof that farytales can happen. He gives us all hope.
I enjoyed it.
Here's a link to the speech for anyone that missed it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKgNrb3baNM
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Gaspar
Awesome speech. Even Biden was impressed. He was a stuttering gentleman in the interviews this morning, but a gentleman none the less.
Can't wait for the debates.
Yep. Biden should tear her up in a debate setting.
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Didn't see it but heard excerpts on the radio, and she did indeed sound like she understood speechmaking, had an instant rapport with the audience, and new how to go after an adversary. I think she did a good job, and more than achieved what she needed to with this speech.
First blush weaknesses are: she didn't write the speech herself, so she's still an unknown in unscripted settings; and she really impresses the Republican base, but really might not have much crossover appeal with her clear cut conservatism. At least not in this election cycle. And her "hockey mom" story might wear thin. It's still an open question whether we want someone we might see at the PTA in the second highest office in the land.
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Originally posted by akupetsky
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Originally posted by jiminy
It was the perfect introduction to her. She is smart and engaging, and will be a formidable opponent in the debates. I'd like to see a Palin/Obama debate, cause I think she would eat him up.
Maybe ... that is, until someone brings up the facts:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check;_ylt=Aj.Mj4OD2Hx77etiXkSWsoBh24cA
She is a good speaker, but reminded me of a semi-skilled high school debater who can argue a point nicely but only on the basis of a dubious premise. Almost everything good she said about herself and everything negative she said about Obama was not accurate. Examples: She said "no thanks" to the "bridge to nowhere" (after first supporting it), but then kept the money. She said that Obama is using "hope" to advance his career, while McCain is using his career to advance hope - when in fact I don't know what she means about McCain and Obama is clearly a patriot and seeks to improve the country as much as McCain is/does. She claimed that Obama is going to raise taxes, when he is going to reduce them (including capital gains taxes) on 95% of Americans. She claimed that Obama has never said what he would do as President, when he has clearly laid it out many times. I could go on... This may have excited the Republican masses, but when the day is done, this will be shown as nothing more than the recycled falsehoods that we've been seeing all summer and the speech of a well-spoken and tough individual who is reckless with the facts.
I posed a question asking specifics about what Obama has actually done and it's nothing but crickets.
The op-ed piece posing as an article of "facts" managed to chirp out this little piece of irrelevance:
"THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. "
"He worked with Republicans..."
It didn't refute Palin's point at all that Obama has not authored legislation of his own.
I wish Brinkley was still around so we could hear him say of Obama:
"(he) has not a creative bone in his body. Therefore, he's a bore and will always be a bore." Just after President Clinton's victory speech, Brinkley, who thought he was off the air, bemoaned having to look forward "to four years of wonderful, inspiring speeches full of wit, poetry, music, love and affection. More goddamn nonsense."
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Originally posted by we vs us
Didn't see it but heard excerpts on the radio, and she did indeed sound like she understood speechmaking, had an instant rapport with the audience, and new how to go after an adversary. I think she did a good job, and more than achieved what she needed to with this speech.
First blush weaknesses are: she didn't write the speech herself, so she's still an unknown in unscripted settings; and she really impresses the Republican base, but really might not have much crossover appeal with her clear cut conservatism. At least not in this election cycle. And her "hockey mom" story might wear thin. It's still an open question whether we want someone we might see at the PTA in the second highest office in the land.
And you really believe Obama writes all his own speeches?
Biden may write his own, but he lifts half the material from others. [}:)]
I watched the speech with two republicans and two democrats.
The republicans were wowed the second she walked on stage. The democrats kept asking why she was making weird facial expressions when she emphasized her talking points. The demos thought her voice was nasal, the republicans thought her smile was great...
I kept thinking to myself...what makes her worthy of this great office? What was she doing that would be different from what Karen Keith could do?
Karen Keith kinda looks like her...She can read a teleprompter...
Karen Keith for vice president!
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I watched the speech with two republicans and two democrats.
The republicans were wowed the second she walked on stage. The democrats kept asking why she was making weird facial expressions when she emphasized her talking points. The demos thought her voice was nasal, the republicans thought her smile was great...
I kept thinking to myself...what makes her worthy of this great office? What was she doing that would be different from what Karen Keith could do?
Karen Keith kinda looks like her...She can read a teleprompter...
Karen Keith for vice president!
I thought she kinda sounded like Frances McDormand from 'Fargo'
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Originally posted by we vs us
Didn't see it but heard excerpts on the radio, and she did indeed sound like she understood speechmaking, had an instant rapport with the audience, and new how to go after an adversary. I think she did a good job, and more than achieved what she needed to with this speech.
First blush weaknesses are: she didn't write the speech herself, so she's still an unknown in unscripted settings; and she really impresses the Republican base, but really might not have much crossover appeal with her clear cut conservatism. At least not in this election cycle. And her "hockey mom" story might wear thin. It's still an open question whether we want someone we might see at the PTA in the second highest office in the land.
You may be right, but I would have to still say that even the PTA, and managing the 40 BILLION DOLLAR budget of a state is far more relevant executive experience than being a community organizer, or a lifelong senator.
Wow! Alaska is the largest land mass state in the country and represents over 20% of our total energy supplies.
I go fishing there almost every year. If you haven't seen Alaska, it's something you really need to do before you die. The balled eagles are like pidgins. They're everywhere.
I could use some indian candy right now. Mmmmmm.
Ingredients
1/2 gallon water
1 cup pickling salt
2 cups dark dark brown sugar
1 cup real maple syrup
salmon, cleaned and cut into 1/2 inch strips
3/4 cup honey
1/4 cup water
Directions
1 Mix together the water, salt, sugar and syrup.
2 Stir until all ingredients are dissolved.
3 Add Fish and brine for 24 hours.
4 Remove fish and smoke anywhere from 8 hours to 1 1/2 days, depending on your smoker.
5 Use the 3/4 cup honey mixed with the 1/4 cup water for basting.
6 Don't over smoke or you're going to have jerky!
7 Apple and Cherry woods are great for this recipe.
8 Works well with venison also.
ST. PAUL, Minn. — Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.
Some examples:
PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."
THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."
PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform _ not even in the state senate."
THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.
PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."
THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.
Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.
He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.
MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.
THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state _ by population.
MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.
THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.
FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."
THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.
FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right _ change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington _ throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."
THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
ST. PAUL, Minn. — Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.
Some examples:
PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."
THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."
PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform _ not even in the state senate."
THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.
PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."
THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.
Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.
He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.
MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.
THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state _ by population.
MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.
THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.
FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."
THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.
FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right _ change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington _ throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."
THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.
Please cite your source. I know you didn't write this.
I am sorry...sloppy by me...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check_1
It was written by Associated Press writer Jim Kuhnhenn
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I am sorry...sloppy by me...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check_1
It was written by Associated Press writer Jim Kuhnhenn
Double post, akupetsky beat you to this op-ed posing as news.
Since we are double posting anyhow, I'll reiterate my amusement that the author points to Obama working with some Republicans "to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles..." to refute Palin's point that Obama has written two memoirs and not one piece of legislation.
Listening to your narrative about the others you watched the speech with, it is interesting how our own biases affect our perception of the speaker and the message. As far as the drinking game, I barely got a buzz...
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I am sorry...sloppy by me...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check_1
It was written by Associated Press writer Jim Kuhnhenn
. . .And writer Jim Drinkard "contributed". He's a USA Today writer most of the time.
It's on all of the liberal blogs. Nothing shiny or glaring. Some minor corrections and illuminations. Good analysis from the left.
Glad they are not going after family, or making sex an issue any more.
Good for them.
I agree that our own bias clouds our perception more than we realize.
What I didn't say was that these guys also were all sexist pigs. Guys from both parties were hoping she would show more cleavage.
My impression: Palin is going to be a strange combination of John Ashcroft and Randi Miller... it's a ploy to the Mike Huckabee constituency without actually having Mike Huckabee on the ticket.
Palin can get away with her sarcastic insults toward Obama cuz nobody can use the "b" word in the media these days... if a man had said that, he'd be an a**hole, but when Palin comes up with this crap... crickets.
Here's Hillary's version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ckrEeHDRY
This is a craven political move by a flip-flopping McCain... yet predictibly, the republicans see this as something courageous... you see, Episcopalians have about as much in common with the Assemblies of God as FB has with Barack Obama...
This takes Missouri out of the "toss up" catagory and into "solid McCain."
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Originally posted by Conan71
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And you really believe Obama writes all his own speeches?
No. He's got at least one speechwriter. But he wrote his convention speech, and his speech on race/Rev. Wright, and the one he delivered in 2004. Give him his due on this one: he's good at it.
Too bad Palin is going to have to do the answering for all the abuse of power the GOP has been engaged in. If she is just another mealy-mouthed GOP type then I hope all the Tulsa County-type shennanigans are exploited rather vigorously.
Listening to pollsters this morning, the experience issue is going to be the big issue over the next few day's polling.
The liberal bloggers and much of the media have, over the last few days, relegated themselves to nothing more than noise by lashing out against her personal life and making sexist remarks that go against everything they should stand for.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Karen Keith kinda looks like her...She can read a teleprompter...
Karen Keith for vice president!
I thought her teleprompted broke and she was left with having to rely on her notes:
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=27547
Me thinks that if Obama's teleprompter ever broke, this would be the result:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp0hU1THjuc
Gothamist.com (//%22http://gothamist.com/2008/09/04/mccain_officially_nominated_but_pal.php%22): 'McCain officially nominated, but Palin steals the show.'
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
Gothamist.com (//%22http://gothamist.com/2008/09/04/mccain_officially_nominated_but_pal.php%22): 'McCain officially nominated, but Palin steals the show.'
Governor Palin gave a great speech last nite.
Her life story, obvious abilities, and potential seemed very authentic.
Mrs. Authentic Hockey Mom Governor vs. Barach Hussein Obama empty suit.
The guy is an empty suit who can read a teleprompter.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I watched the speech with two republicans and two democrats.
The republicans were wowed the second she walked on stage. The democrats kept asking why she was making weird facial expressions when she emphasized her talking points. The demos thought her voice was nasal, the republicans thought her smile was great...
I kept thinking to myself...what makes her worthy of this great office? What was she doing that would be different from what Karen Keith could do?
Karen Keith kinda looks like her...She can read a teleprompter...
Karen Keith for vice president!
Karen Keith has more experience READING a teleprompter.
About 20 years of experience reading a teleprompter.
Former news anchor Karen Keith SHOULD be good at it.
She's barren, right?
Had a career instead of a child?
All those wasted eggs........
^ wow
wow x2......
Her speech was filled with cynical political soundbites lacking any substance....
Substance... http://www.chicagoreader.com/obama/951208/
Which should be required reading for anyone who's been listening to the Republican spin machine over the past few days. [:P]
Every Repiglican at TNF, with a few exceptions, read this!
Sarah Palin and Fond Memories of Demagogues Past
THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter
"And thereupon graced the stage a woman whose very name 99 out of 100 delegates would not have known just one week ago, yet she was greeted by thunderously supportive hoots, hollers and hosannas as if she was the Resurrection, the Light and the Way; perhaps Ronald Reagan, Teddy Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln, all in one.
There is -- no kidding -- a metaphysical and in this case eponymous term, palingenesis, meaning, literally, from the Greek, another beginning, one in which one's soul slips right into another's physical form. Last night I think we witnessed just that.
It must be feeling pretty crowded in there for Sarah Palin right now, given that Spiro Agnew -- and not, as so many on the convention floor thought, Reagan or Roosevelt or Lincoln -- seems to have found a way back. At long last.
John McCain thought he needed an Agnewesque pit bull with lipstick, as the Alaska governor self-deprecatingly joked -- I think -- of herself. And John McCain sure got one.
This lady knows how to play rough, which in politics means disgracefully foul. Happily, that's the best of all possible scenarios for us political junkies, who possess a congenital love for the taste of blood.
And did she ever spill some last night -- this loving Christian; this warm, forgiving acolyte of Christ; this metaphysically regenerated marvel of Nixon's attack cur, in a skirt.
Oh, Spiro, how we missed you but nevertheless had our memory banks of you tapped last night as Ms. Palin unctuously inveighed against what she called "the permanent political establishment" -- let's see, Mr. Agnew, that would be the one you helped create (see, especially, Rick Perlstein's Nixonland), would it not? -- in which she denied any membership.
Producing, pleasantly enough, one of those paradoxical bad news-good news things.
On the one hand, through her speechwriters Ms. Palin has "learned ... these past few days that if you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone."
But take this you blackguards, you scurrilous lowlifes of Eastern elitism and liberal bias: "Here's a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion -- I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this country."
With that, the right-wing tumescence on the manly floor of the Republican National Convention commenced. These clowns will buy anything, as long as it's packaged in the most commonly demagogic denominator possible.
Still, Ms. Palin's heavier dose of venom was reserved, of course, for the real enemy of the people: He who strives to make government politically accountable and socioeconomically responsive -- you know, by promising silly stuff, like a mature global presence and domestic health care.
But beware, for he is but a wolf among you: "In small towns, we" -- the small-town we, not the cynical and citified you -- "don't quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren't listening," said Ms. Palin.
So the dagger flashes, and now the wolf knows how he shall be hunted by -- a reminder is necessary -- this loving Christian; this warm, forgiving acolyte of Christ.
But I'm not complaining. This stuff is great. For it is merely the stuff of the poisonously unenlightening democracy we have so effortlessly fashioned for ourselves.
On second thought, however, perhaps I have my human analogues wrong, as well as the wrong election in mind.
At first, some of us thought this presidential election might be a defining replay of the somewhat more serious, if not classier, 1960 version. Then, last night, Ms. Palin seemed to transformationally elbow her way onto stage in a 1968 manner. But on further sensory reflection, I smell more Goldwater of '64 vintage than Nixon or Agnew.
Because that Arizona senator, too, realized he couldn't defeat the promise of a Greater Society with rational discourse. So he went, reluctantly, I should add, for the cultural jugular instead, deploying or exploiting whatever sharp wedges he could find. He wasn't happy about his strategic choice, but he saw no options. It was either the slimmest hope of desperation politics, or sure defeat.
And that, it would seem, is the ghost that Ms. Palin's speechwriters channeled last night. Their words in her mouth radiated the unmistakable message that they know this thing can't be won on the dignified up-and-up. No way.
And that, furthermore, is actually the good news: They were detectably dispirited at the starting gate. "
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I watched the speech with two republicans and two democrats.
The republicans were wowed the second she walked on stage. The democrats kept asking why she was making weird facial expressions when she emphasized her talking points. The demos thought her voice was nasal, the republicans thought her smile was great...
I kept thinking to myself...what makes her worthy of this great office? What was she doing that would be different from what Karen Keith could do?
Karen Keith kinda looks like her...She can read a teleprompter...
Karen Keith for vice president!
Karen Keith has more experience READING a teleprompter.
About 20 years of experience reading a teleprompter.
Former news anchor Karen Keith SHOULD be good at it.
She's barren, right?
Had a career instead of a child?
All those wasted eggs........
You're one of the scarier people I've met on the internet.
I hope you don't leave your basement too often.
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Her speech was filled with cynical political soundbites lacking any substance....
Such as?
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Originally posted by FOTD
There is -- no kidding -- a metaphysical and in this case eponymous term, palingenesis, meaning, literally, from the Greek, another beginning, one in which one's soul slips right into another's physical form. Last night I think we witnessed just that.
How ironic he mentioned the whole Greek thing since Obama was coronated in a Greek Temple-looking thingy. (Oh the symbolism!)
Yep, Dims are scared ****less. They know now chump change is facing down real change. The Dims armed themselves with knives for a gun-fight.
If you are going to promote real change, you don't choose one of the longest-serving pay-to-play Senators with questionable ethics to be your running mate.
All these columists are doing are expressing their remorse that Obama wasn't brighter in picking his veep by trying to belittle McCain's brilliant pick.
McCain is laying sod on your "landslide".
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Former news anchor Karen Keith SHOULD be good at it.
She's barren, right?
Had a career instead of a child?
All those wasted eggs........
That is it, friendly bear.
You don't deserve any more space on this forum. Between that tasteless comment and you talking about cripples yesterday you have crossed a line that should have never been crossed.
Administrators...please ban him from this forum.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Former news anchor Karen Keith SHOULD be good at it.
She's barren, right?
Had a career instead of a child?
All those wasted eggs........
That is it, friendly bear.
You don't deserve any more space on this forum. Between that tasteless comment and you talking about cripples yesterday you have crossed a line that should have never been crossed.
Administrators...please ban him from this forum.
I agree with RM... Time to clean it up.
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Originally posted by iplaw
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Her speech was filled with cynical political soundbites lacking any substance....
Such as?
http://www.samefacts.com/archives/campaign_2008_/2008/09/palin_v_reality.php
PALIN: "Our opponents say, again and again, that drilling will not solve all of America's energy problems - as if we all didn't know that already. But the fact that drilling won't solve every problem is no excuse to do nothing at all."
REALITY: PALIN SAID SHE WOULD BEG TO DISAGREE WITH ANY CANDIDATE WHO SAID WE CAN'T DRILL OUR WAY OUT OF OUR PROBLEM
PALIN: "In fact, I told Congress -- I told Congress, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' on that bridge to nowhere."
REALITY: PALIN WAS FOR THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE BEFORE SHE WAS AGAINST IT.
REALITY: PALIN ONLY ANNOUNCED OPPOSITION TO ONE "BRIDGE TO NOWHERE," STILL SUPPORTS THE OTHER ONE
PALIN: "Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown."
REALITY: UNDER PALIN, WASILLA GOVERNMENT SPENDING & DEBT SKYROCKETED.
Total Government Expenditures Increased 63 Percent Under Palin.
In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget—the total government expenditures of Wasilla, excluding capital outlays, were $7,046,325. In fiscal 1996—the year before Palin took control of the
budget—the expenditures were $4,317,947. The increase was 63 percent. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003, Table 1]
Palin Supported Increasing Wasilla Sales Tax From 2 to 2.5 Percent to Build $14.7 Million Sports Center. "Wasilla residents have given the go ahead to building a new multiuse sports center in town and to raising the city sales tax to pay for it. With the final votes counted
Friday, residents voted 306 to 286 in favor of a measure to raise the city sales tax from 2 percent to 2.5 percent to pay the estimated $14.7 million cost of building the center...Mayor Sarah Palin, who supported the measure, said the tight vote will motivate city officials to keep a close eye on the budget for the center." [Anchorage Daily News, 3/9/02]
Palin Left Behind Almost $19 Million In Long-Term Debt, Compared to None Before She Was Mayor. PALIN: "It was the spirit that brought me to the governor's office, when I took on the old politics as usual in Juneau ... when I stood up to the special interests, the lobbyists, big oil companies, and the good-ol' boys network."
REALITY: PALIN HAS A LT. GOVERNOR WHO IS A FORMER OIL LOBBYIST, HIRED WASILLA'S FIRST FEDERAL LOBBYIST (A FORMER STEVENS STAFFER) & HAD THE SUPPORT OF ENTRENCHED ALASKA POLITICIANS DURING HER 2006 RACE.
PALIN: "I came to office promising major ethics reform, to end the culture of self-dealing. And today, that ethics reform is the law."
REALITY: PALIN SIGNED WEAK ETHICS REFORM BILL & HAS HAD NUMEROUS ETHICAL FLAPS OF HER OWN.
Palin Signed Ethics Reform Legislation That Anchorage Republican Bob Roses Said Didn't Go Far Enough. "An ethics reform package for state officials was signed into law Monday by Gov. Sarah Palin, just minutes after a former state representative was convicted on seven federal extortion and bribery counts.
PALIN: "I suspended the state fuel tax, and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress."
REALITY: ALASKA HAS REQUESTED $589 MILLION IN PORK SINCE PALIN TOOK OFFICE & AS MAYOR, SHE HIRED WASILLA'S FIRST FEDERAL LOBBYIST TO SECURE EARMARKS FOR THE TOWN.
Over $589 Million in Federal Pork Requests During Palin's Tenure as Governor. According to Citizens Against Government Waste, www.cagw.org, under Palin's tenure as Governor the state of Alaska has asked for $589,599,715 in pork barrel projects. [2007 and 2008 Pig Book, www.cagw.org]
PALIN: "Taxes are too high ... he wants to raise them."
REALITY: PALIN HAS REPEATEDLY SUPPORTED TAX INCREASES
Palin Supported Increasing Wasilla Sales Tax From 2 to 2.5 Percent to Build $14.7 Million Sports Center. "Wasilla residents have given the go-ahead to building a new multiuse sports center in town and to raising the city sales tax to pay for it. With the final votes counted Friday, residents voted 306 to 286 in favor of a measure to raise thecity sales tax from 2 percent to 2.5 percent to pay the estimated$14.7 million cost of building the center...Mayor Sarah Palin, whosupported the measure, said the tight vote will motivate city officials to keep a close eye on the budget for the center." [Anchorage Daily News, 3/9/02]
Palin Increased Taxes on Oil Companies to Pay for $1,200 Giveaway to Every Resident in the State. "One of her most significant accomplishments as governor was passing a major tax increase on state oil production, angering oil companies but raising billions of dollars in new revenue. She said the oil companies had previously bribed legislators to keep the taxes low. She subsequently championed legislation that would give some of that money back to Alaskans: Soon,every Alaskan will receive a $1,200 check." [New York Times, 8/30/08]
PALIN: "It was just a year ago when all the experts in Washington counted out our nominee because he refused to hedge his commitment to the security of the country he loves.
With their usual certitude, they told us that all was lost - there was no hope for this candidate who said that he would rather lose an election than see his country lose a war.
But the pollsters and pundits overlooked just one thing when they wrote him off.
They overlooked the caliber of the man himself - the determination,resolve, and sheer guts of Senator John McCain. The voters knew better."
REALITY: PALIN COUNTED MCCAIN OUT TWICE
February 2008: Palin Wouldn't Endorse McCain. "Top Alaska Republicans were downcast Thursday as Mitt Romney suspended his presidential campaign just two days after overwhelmingly winning the state party caucus. Romney's decision makes it nearly certain Arizona Sen. John McCain will be the party's nominee for president. McCain finished dead last in the Alaska Republican preference poll, behind Romney, Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul. McCain opposes drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and has repeatedly battled with Sen. Ted Stevens over federal spending on Alaska projects... Republican Gov. Sarah Palin said she won't make an endorsement until she can speak to McCain. [Anchorage Daily News (Alaska), 2/3/08]
July 2007: Palin Was Waiting For A New Player In GOP Primary. 'A lot of us are sitting back and waiting to see if there will be new players in there,' Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said. 'That's probably why that box that says 'none of the above' is so popular right now.' [The Associated Press State & Local Wire, 7/23/07]
Palin Couldn't Support McCain Because Of His Opposition To ANWR. "Some Alaska Republicans are conflicted over McCain, including Gov. Sarah Palin. They like his maverick reputation and military background but not his opposition to drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.'She said she'd like to support McCain but felt she couldn't at this particular time because of his stand on ANWR,' said the governor's spokeswoman, Sharon Leighow." [Anchorage Daily News (Alaska), 2/3/08]
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/politics/animal/main4414049.shtml
----Today's Andrew Sullivan on state of the Republican Party....
"They are a religious and cultural identity party, primed to rally to anything their leaders say and question nothing. That's why they're so dangerous.
They can do anything and defend it - invade a country on false pretenses, grind the military into extreme danger, trash the Geneva Conventions, expand government at a record pace, threaten war with Iran and Russia - and still say with a straight face that they are the party of national security, fiscal restraint, foreign policy wisdom and military pride. It doesn't matter what they do; these people believe in this cause because it is about God and America and their own identity. And when you have a major political party constructed like that, they can do anything. And they have."
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Former news anchor Karen Keith SHOULD be good at it.
She's barren, right?
Had a career instead of a child?
All those wasted eggs........
That is it, friendly bear.
You don't deserve any more space on this forum. Between that tasteless comment and you talking about cripples yesterday you have crossed a line that should have never been crossed.
Administrators...please ban him from this forum.
You ban FB and this devil might be next no doubt. Posters like FB attract birds of a feather. It's important to have this type around TNF so we can see his veiled like kind thinkers (remember the axman) ......speaking of
veiled, look at this pathetic candidates instructions from her handlers:
McCain campaign: Palin won't do any interviews, she's just going to read speeches from now on. They're going the Bush route of packaging over accountability.
http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/mccain-campaign-palin-wont-do-any.html
My favorite reply:
"Read the latest on her speech at ABC - IT WAS ALL LIES AND MORE LIES. These creepy Republican Christians can't tell the truth if their hateful God was sitting on their laps. HYPOCRITES. Cant wait for Biden to make mincemeat out of the Bimbo. I can already see her having bake sales on the front lawn of the White House to raise money to bomb Iran."
WHY DOES SARAH PALIN REFUSE TO ALLOW THE MEDIA TO ASK HER QUESTIONS?
ARE HER HANDLERS SHUDDERING IN FEAR THAT HER INNOCENCE WILL SHINE THROUGH AND MAKE AMERICA WAKE UP TO THE FACT SHE DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE TO THE ECONOMY NOR TO FOREIGN POLICY?
[:P]Here's one of her weirdo speeches:
http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=42826 [:o)]
The media needs to make mincemeat out of this Bimbo.[}:)][}:)]
Conan -
In response to Palin's charge that Obama has never authored significant legislation:
quote:
You can go look at Obama's State Senate legislative record here. And his US Senate record here. At last count, sponsorship of 820 laws in Illinois, and authorship of 152 bills and co-sponsorship of 427 in Washington. The 2007 Ethics Reform bill alone cannot be dismissed as simply non-existent.
Full post here (//%22http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/2224950/33082632%22)
Yes, Palin made a good appearance, but dig a little and her facts come up short. Not unlike her claim that she was against the "Bridge to Nowhere." More correctly stated, she was for the "Bridge" until it became a symbol of pork barrel politics and the feds cut off funding. With the money gone, she was against it. That's like telling your boss that he can't fire you because you quit.
But truth-telling is not what the speech was about. It was about mobilizing the fundamentalist Christians. I am afraid the GOP has turned the corner towards becoming a full-fledged evangelical Christianist movement. And that may be great for a great many people, but I don't want religion driving my politics.
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Originally posted by CoffeeBean
Conan -
In response to Palin's charge that Obama has never authored significant legislation:
quote:
You can go look at Obama's State Senate legislative record here. And his US Senate record here. At last count, sponsorship of 820 laws in Illinois, and authorship of 152 bills and co-sponsorship of 427 in Washington. The 2007 Ethics Reform bill alone cannot be dismissed as simply non-existent.
Full post here (//%22http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/2224950/33082632%22)
Yes, Palin made a good appearance, but dig a little and her facts come up short. Not unlike her claim that she was against the "Bridge to Nowhere." More correctly stated, she was for the "Bridge" until it became a symbol of pork barrel politics and the feds cut off funding. With the money gone, she was against it. That's like telling your boss that he can't fire you because you quit.
But truth-telling is not what the speech was about. It was about mobilizing the fundamentalist Christians. I am afraid the GOP has turned the corner towards becoming a full-fledged evangelical Christianist movement. And that may be great for a great many people, but I don't want religion driving my politics.
BRAVO CB! Only thing is that transformation started under Ronnie and peaked with Dumbya who proved what awful comes from combining religion and government. Amazing how over 200 years ago the framers of our constitution made decisions protecting us from these types. Were they smarter back then or just on the same playing field as their fellow citizens?
News: Religion has already driven our politics into the gutter and our broken government into the red. It's time to move things to blue.
http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=42826
Many today have told me they'd leave the country if she gets that close to the oval office. That may just be the intent of the evangelical party formerly referred to as the GOP.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Former news anchor Karen Keith SHOULD be good at it.
She's barren, right?
Had a career instead of a child?
All those wasted eggs........
That is it, friendly bear.
You don't deserve any more space on this forum. Between that tasteless comment and you talking about cripples yesterday you have crossed a line that should have never been crossed.
Administrators...please ban him from this forum.
Got another nitroglycerine pill handy?
I'm still here because I have not broken any Forum Rules.
While I am frequently derided by your fellow MetroTulsaChamberPot wannabees, and your clique gets away with MURDER hereabouts using endless ad hominem attacks, I've broken no Forum Rules.
I thought the huevos diablo comment was right on:
KKKeith is a feminist with a career instead of a child.
Did I mention I'm voting straight GOP Nov. 4?
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Former news anchor Karen Keith SHOULD be good at it.
She's barren, right?
Had a career instead of a child?
All those wasted eggs........
That is it, friendly bear.
You don't deserve any more space on this forum. Between that tasteless comment and you talking about cripples yesterday you have crossed a line that should have never been crossed.
Administrators...please ban him from this forum.
Got another nitroglycerine pill handy?
I'm still here because I have not broken any Forum Rules.
While I am frequently derided by your fellow MetroTulsaChamberPot wannabees, and your clique gets away with MURDER hereabouts using endless ad hominem attacks, I've broken no Forum Rules.
I thought the huevos diablo comment was right on:
KKKeith is a feminist with a career instead of a child.
Did I mention I'm voting straight GOP Nov. 4?
(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-cat-does-not-know-how-to-help-his-friend.jpg)
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Originally posted by FOTD
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Originally posted by CoffeeBean
Conan -
In response to Palin's charge that Obama has never authored significant legislation:
quote:
You can go look at Obama's State Senate legislative record here. And his US Senate record here. At last count, sponsorship of 820 laws in Illinois, and authorship of 152 bills and co-sponsorship of 427 in Washington. The 2007 Ethics Reform bill alone cannot be dismissed as simply non-existent.
Full post here (//%22http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/2224950/33082632%22)
Yes, Palin made a good appearance, but dig a little and her facts come up short. Not unlike her claim that she was against the "Bridge to Nowhere." More correctly stated, she was for the "Bridge" until it became a symbol of pork barrel politics and the feds cut off funding. With the money gone, she was against it. That's like telling your boss that he can't fire you because you quit.
But truth-telling is not what the speech was about. It was about mobilizing the fundamentalist Christians. I am afraid the GOP has turned the corner towards becoming a full-fledged evangelical Christianist movement. And that may be great for a great many people, but I don't want religion driving my politics.
BRAVO CB!
Many today have told me they'd leave the country if she gets that close to the oval office. That may just be the intent of the evangelical party formerly referred to as the GOP.
'bye.
You won't be missed. Take as many with you as you can fit in the Volvo.
Heard a good one today:
The Dims and their MSM surrogates are asking if Governor Palin is ready if McCain dies his first day in office.
Wonder if Obama is ready if Biden dies HIS first day in office?
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Originally posted by CoffeeBean
Conan -
In response to Palin's charge that Obama has never authored significant legislation:
quote:
You can go look at Obama's State Senate legislative record here. And his US Senate record here. At last count, sponsorship of 820 laws in Illinois, and authorship of 152 bills and co-sponsorship of 427 in Washington. The 2007 Ethics Reform bill alone cannot be dismissed as simply non-existent.
Full post here (//%22http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/2224950/33082632%22)
Yes, Palin made a good appearance, but dig a little and her facts come up short. Not unlike her claim that she was against the "Bridge to Nowhere." More correctly stated, she was for the "Bridge" until it became a symbol of pork barrel politics and the feds cut off funding. With the money gone, she was against it. That's like telling your boss that he can't fire you because you quit.
But truth-telling is not what the speech was about. It was about mobilizing the fundamentalist Christians. I am afraid the GOP has turned the corner towards becoming a full-fledged evangelical Christianist movement. And that may be great for a great many people, but I don't want religion driving my politics.
Factual error. While the Bridge to Nowhere wasn't built, the state STILL received the earmarked funds, to spend elsewhere on transportation projects.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Factual error. While the Bridge to Nowhere wasn't built, the state STILL received the earmarked funds, to spend elsewhere on transportation projects.
You make my point.
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Originally posted by CoffeeBean
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Factual error. While the Bridge to Nowhere wasn't built, the state STILL received the earmarked funds, to spend elsewhere on transportation projects.
You make my point.
What do you think the widening of I-44 is?
A $300 million earmark, courtesy of Senator Jim Inhofe.
And, if you've spent much time PARKED on I-44 between Riverside and Yale Ave. during rush hour, then you'll know that was a GOOD earmark.
That stretch has been inadequate for 25 years.
There are GOOD earmarks, and there are BAD earmarks. They are not all the same.
I-44 earmark: Good.
Boston Big Dig: BAD earmark.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by CoffeeBean
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Factual error. While the Bridge to Nowhere wasn't built, the state STILL received the earmarked funds, to spend elsewhere on transportation projects.
You make my point.
What do you think the widening of I-44 is?
A $300 million earmark, courtesy of Senator Jim Inhofe.
And, if you've spent much time PARKED on I-44 between Riverside and Yale Ave. during rush hour, then you'll know that was a GOOD earmark.
That stretch has been inadequate for 25 years.
There are GOOD earmarks, and there are BAD earmarks. They are not all the same.
I-44 earmark: Good.
Boston Big Dig: BAD earmark.
A powerful senator would have procured this money many years before now. The repiglican Oklahoma Repug delegation pales in comparrison to the days Democrats like Edmondson, Kerr, and Albert enabled huge Washington funding. It's not just Inhofe that needs to go but the entire bunch of flacid representatives from our great state. We deserve better.
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Originally posted by FOTD
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by CoffeeBean
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Factual error. While the Bridge to Nowhere wasn't built, the state STILL received the earmarked funds, to spend elsewhere on transportation projects.
You make my point.
What do you think the widening of I-44 is?
A $300 million earmark, courtesy of Senator Jim Inhofe.
And, if you've spent much time PARKED on I-44 between Riverside and Yale Ave. during rush hour, then you'll know that was a GOOD earmark.
That stretch has been inadequate for 25 years.
There are GOOD earmarks, and there are BAD earmarks. They are not all the same.
I-44 earmark: Good.
Boston Big Dig: BAD earmark.
A powerful senator would have procured this money many years before now. The repiglican Oklahoma Repug delegation pales in comparrison to the days Democrats like Edmondson, Kerr, and Albert enabled huge Washington funding. It's not just Inhofe that needs to go but the entire bunch of flacid representatives from our great state. We deserve better.
Since statehood, Oklahoma U.S. Representatives and Senators, from both parties, have served two core constituencies:
Oil & Gas Industry.
Agriculture Industry.
Meaning, tax breaks and subsidies up the Wazoo for the Ag and Oil & Gas industry, by trading favors with politicians who want something for THEIR OWN constituencies, like Federal Jobs in West Virginia.
So, West Virginia gets the Bureau of the Public Debt and JOBS, and Oklahoma gets tax breaks and price supports for Oil & Gas and Ag industries, respectfully.
Until Senator Inhofe became chairman of the Senate Transportation Committee, Oklahoma had always been a Donor state with our Federal Fuel Tax. Donor meaning we sent more the Washington than we got back in roadbuilding funds.
He finally got Oklahoma some Federal road money.
Too little; too late. But, something nonetheless.
We've also got BEAUCOUP of turnpikes, which means the folly of NO FEDERAL matching funds.
Another reason why our state transportation system is inadequate.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by akupetsky
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Originally posted by jiminy
It was the perfect introduction to her. She is smart and engaging, and will be a formidable opponent in the debates. I'd like to see a Palin/Obama debate, cause I think she would eat him up.
Maybe ... that is, until someone brings up the facts:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check;_ylt=Aj.Mj4OD2Hx77etiXkSWsoBh24cA
She is a good speaker, but reminded me of a semi-skilled high school debater who can argue a point nicely but only on the basis of a dubious premise. Almost everything good she said about herself and everything negative she said about Obama was not accurate. Examples: She said "no thanks" to the "bridge to nowhere" (after first supporting it), but then kept the money. She said that Obama is using "hope" to advance his career, while McCain is using his career to advance hope - when in fact I don't know what she means about McCain and Obama is clearly a patriot and seeks to improve the country as much as McCain is/does. She claimed that Obama is going to raise taxes, when he is going to reduce them (including capital gains taxes) on 95% of Americans. She claimed that Obama has never said what he would do as President, when he has clearly laid it out many times. I could go on... This may have excited the Republican masses, but when the day is done, this will be shown as nothing more than the recycled falsehoods that we've been seeing all summer and the speech of a well-spoken and tough individual who is reckless with the facts.
I posed a question asking specifics about what Obama has actually done and it's nothing but crickets.
The op-ed piece posing as an article of "facts" managed to chirp out this little piece of irrelevance:
"THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. "
"He worked with Republicans..."
It didn't refute Palin's point at all that Obama has not authored legislation of his own.
I wish Brinkley was still around so we could hear him say of Obama:
"(he) has not a creative bone in his body. Therefore, he's a bore and will always be a bore." Just after President Clinton's victory speech, Brinkley, who thought he was off the air, bemoaned having to look forward "to four years of wonderful, inspiring speeches full of wit, poetry, music, love and affection. More goddamn nonsense."
Here is the list:
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Legislative_Experience_Senator_Barack_Obama_D_IL
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Originally posted by we vs us
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I watched the speech with two republicans and two democrats.
The republicans were wowed the second she walked on stage. The democrats kept asking why she was making weird facial expressions when she emphasized her talking points. The demos thought her voice was nasal, the republicans thought her smile was great...
I kept thinking to myself...what makes her worthy of this great office? What was she doing that would be different from what Karen Keith could do?
Karen Keith kinda looks like her...She can read a teleprompter...
Karen Keith for vice president!
Karen Keith has more experience READING a teleprompter.
About 20 years of experience reading a teleprompter.
Former news anchor Karen Keith SHOULD be good at it.
She's barren, right?
Had a career instead of a child?
All those wasted eggs........
You're one of the scarier people I've met on the internet.
I hope you don't leave your basement too often.
BOO!
I'm practicing for Halloween.
Did I mention I'm going as Barach Hussein Obama.
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Originally posted by akupetsky
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by akupetsky
quote:
Originally posted by jiminy
It was the perfect introduction to her. She is smart and engaging, and will be a formidable opponent in the debates. I'd like to see a Palin/Obama debate, cause I think she would eat him up.
Maybe ... that is, until someone brings up the facts:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check;_ylt=Aj.Mj4OD2Hx77etiXkSWsoBh24cA
She is a good speaker, but reminded me of a semi-skilled high school debater who can argue a point nicely but only on the basis of a dubious premise. Almost everything good she said about herself and everything negative she said about Obama was not accurate. Examples: She said "no thanks" to the "bridge to nowhere" (after first supporting it), but then kept the money. She said that Obama is using "hope" to advance his career, while McCain is using his career to advance hope - when in fact I don't know what she means about McCain and Obama is clearly a patriot and seeks to improve the country as much as McCain is/does. She claimed that Obama is going to raise taxes, when he is going to reduce them (including capital gains taxes) on 95% of Americans. She claimed that Obama has never said what he would do as President, when he has clearly laid it out many times. I could go on... This may have excited the Republican masses, but when the day is done, this will be shown as nothing more than the recycled falsehoods that we've been seeing all summer and the speech of a well-spoken and tough individual who is reckless with the facts.
I posed a question asking specifics about what Obama has actually done and it's nothing but crickets.
The op-ed piece posing as an article of "facts" managed to chirp out this little piece of irrelevance:
"THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. "
"He worked with Republicans..."
It didn't refute Palin's point at all that Obama has not authored legislation of his own.
I wish Brinkley was still around so we could hear him say of Obama:
"(he) has not a creative bone in his body. Therefore, he's a bore and will always be a bore." Just after President Clinton's victory speech, Brinkley, who thought he was off the air, bemoaned having to look forward "to four years of wonderful, inspiring speeches full of wit, poetry, music, love and affection. More goddamn nonsense."
Here is the list:
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Legislative_Experience_Senator_Barack_Obama_D_IL
Um, I've seen the list of bills he's sponsored, co-sponsored, passed, and voted for. Where's the legislation he's authored? I still can't pull up the legislation authored while in the Illinois Senate via the Thomas or LOC site.
You are aware there is a difference between sponsoring or co-sponsoring a bill than their is being an author of legislation? Sponsoring or co-sponsoring is essentially saying you approve of the bill and are willing to endorse it.
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Originally posted by USRufnex
My impression: Palin is going to be a strange combination of John Ashcroft and Randi Miller... it's a ploy to the Mike Huckabee constituency without actually having Mike Huckabee on the ticket.
Palin can get away with her sarcastic insults toward Obama cuz nobody can use the "b" word in the media these days... if a man had said that, he'd be an a**hole, but when Palin comes up with this crap... crickets.
Here's Hillary's version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ckrEeHDRY
This is a craven political move by a flip-flopping McCain... yet predictibly, the republicans see this as something courageous... you see, Episcopalians have about as much in common with the Assemblies of God as FB has with Barack Obama...
This takes Missouri out of the "toss up" catagory and into "solid McCain."
Note to President Jimmy Carter:
Please monitor the St. Louis County elections to prevent a repeat of another shameless 107% of registered voter turn-out in 2004.
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Originally posted by Gaspar
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Originally posted by highroadtaker
Don't Republicans dislike mean, agressive women politicians? I thought that was why so many dislike Hillary Clinton. Palin's speech was very mean spirited and cynical.
No. We dislike Hillary because she is deceptive, cunning, and dishonest.
Aggressive is good.
Do you think she is mean because she fired corrupt officials? Well than ok, we like that too!
Couldn't have said it better so I won't. Kudos. No-Bama 08'