I have had three people e-mail me in the last twelve hours with stories about Sarah Palin lying about her last child.
The blogs are all abuzz that her sixteen year old daughter is the real mother and Sarah is part of a big lie by claiming to be the mom.
Does it matter?
The mother going to elaborate extremes to protect her daughter seems very honorable. Faking a pregnancy, asking a doctor to falsify certificates, then lying to your staff and friends is quite a price to pay. Of course, once you go into a lie of this magnitude, there is no going back.
If the rumors are true, does it change how you think of her? Does lying to the American people when introducing her family mean she will lie about anything?
I tend to think more highly of her as a mom for agreeing to act as the mother to protect her daughter. But I have to admit that it lowers my opinion of her as an elected official. To think that you can just make up details and lie about this makes me trust her less.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I have had three people e-mail me in the last twelve hours with stories about Sarah Palin lying about her last child.
The blogs are all abuzz that her sixteen year old daughter is the real mother and Sarah is part of a big lie by claiming to be the mom.
Does it matter?
The mother going to elaborate extremes to protect her daughter seems very honorable. Faking a pregnancy, asking a doctor to falsify certificates, then lying to your staff and friends is quite a price to pay. Of course, once you go into a lie of this magnitude, there is no going back.
If the rumors are true, does it change how you think of her? Does lying to the American people when introducing her family mean she will lie about anything?
I tend to think more highly of her as a mom for agreeing to act as the mother to protect her daughter. But I have to admit that it lowers my opinion of her as an elected official. To think that you can just make up details and lie about this makes me trust her less.
Wonder how she faked having her water break at a speech she was giving in Texas just before she gave birth?
Water balloons?
That is the most pathetic, far-reaching smear I have ever, ever read, RM. Bizarre, desperate. Ya'll do better to point out that 80% of her peers disagree with her life choices and abort their Down's babies.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I have had three people e-mail me in the last twelve hours with stories about Sarah Palin lying about her last child.
The blogs are all abuzz that her sixteen year old daughter is the real mother and Sarah is part of a big lie by claiming to be the mom.
Does it matter?
The mother going to elaborate extremes to protect her daughter seems very honorable. Faking a pregnancy, asking a doctor to falsify certificates, then lying to your staff and friends is quite a price to pay. Of course, once you go into a lie of this magnitude, there is no going back.
If the rumors are true, does it change how you think of her? Does lying to the American people when introducing her family mean she will lie about anything?
I tend to think more highly of her as a mom for agreeing to act as the mother to protect her daughter. But I have to admit that it lowers my opinion of her as an elected official. To think that you can just make up details and lie about this makes me trust her less.
Does it matter? To me, no. But I'm a tolerant Dem. To her party and its moral values platform? Absolutely. To those questioning McCain's judgement and diligence in executive matters? yes.
A lie at this stage of politics of such magnitude coupled with her poor decision to interfere with her sister's divorce by applying pressure, portrays a candidate with shaky foundations. We're all tired of this type ofbehavior in public officials.
I doubt the rumor is true although after reading several of the accounts it certainly is plausible. How many mothers fly across country so late term? We didn't travel with ours. And did I understand this right...she travelled by airplane back to Alaska after her water broke? Curious. Simply not prudent. And that's the real insight here. Poor judgement by McCain and Palin in not forseeing this little tempest.
Dems should stay away from this rumor unless it gains more substance.
I love it!
And Gustov was engineered through cloud seeding by the military so that Bush wouldn't have to make an appearance at the RNC.
And John McCain actually died 6 weeks ago and was replaced by a robot.
You guys just need to realize that we are all floating around in pods, and this reality that we create is simply an illusion.
Oh, and John Lennon is still alive and living in a domestic partnership with Elvis on a remote tropical island.
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Originally posted by waterboy
. . . her poor decision to interfere with her sister's divorce by applying pressure
ZZZZZZZZZ oooooold and busted. Another psycho cop with a badge and a thin blue line. She
should allow him to threaten her family and drive around all drunk. I am surprised she just did not go a-huntin . . .
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Originally posted by Gaspar
I love it!
And Gustov was engineered through cloud seeding by the military so that Bush wouldn't have to make an appearance at the RNC.
And John McCain actually died 6 weeks ago and was replaced by a robot.
You guys just need to realize that we are all floating around in pods, and this reality that we create is simply an illusion.
Oh, and John Lennon is still alive and living in a domestic partnership with Elvis on a remote tropical island.
You're losing more credibility each time you post. You assert that you have no dog in this race. Disingenuous, thy name is Gaspar.
If indeed you're just a cynical independent/libertarian then you assume the role of a bookie playing both sides for your own gratification. The bookie always wins as long as he balances the books.
Gustav has been rerated to a cat 2. Problematic for you. New bookie headline still lets you win..."God Forgives Michael Moore, Sends Blessings to Republican Convention".
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Originally posted by waterboy
You're losing more credibility each time you post. You assert that you have no dog in this race.
G-dawg is just mocking the absolute stupidity of the charge that Palin had her own grandbaby. That is the stoopidest thing I have heard since 'Brownie, yer doin a heckuva job.'
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by waterboy
. . . her poor decision to interfere with her sister's divorce by applying pressure
ZZZZZZZZZ oooooold and busted. Another psycho cop with a badge and a thin blue line. She should allow him to threaten her family and drive around all drunk. I am surprised she just did not go a-huntin . . .
Flying off the handle again Tim. These are allegations in a divorce case and involve the probable abuse of power by an elected official. Thus an ethics investigation. What I would expect her to do is show professionalism.
Ever follow divorce cases much? Allegations of child abuse, drug use, mental illness, alcoholism, physical abuse are practically boiler plate charges by both sides. She works for the state of Alaska, not the family of Palin.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by waterboy
You're losing more credibility each time you post. You assert that you have no dog in this race.
G-dawg is just mocking the absolute stupidity of the charge that Palin had her own grandbaby. That is the stoopidest thing I have heard since 'Brownie, yer doin a heckuva job.'
Its just entertainment. It would normally be on the front page of the Enquirer but in an election year it gets traction.
Brownie was on NBC this morning, he's still mad at how he got set up as the buffoon.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
That is the most pathetic, far-reaching smear I have ever, ever read, RM. Bizarre, desperate. Ya'll do better to point out that 80% of her peers disagree with her life choices and abort their Down's babies.
Hey calm down.
I don't know if I believe it or not. I trust that there are others who are looking into it and the truth will come to light.
I also don't think it is necessarily a smear. I said I admire her if it is true. To do that much to protect her sixteen year old is admirable to me. I don't know if there is anything I wouldn't do for my child.
Having a Downs syndrome baby would be difficult. I really applaud her for seeing this baby as a blessing.
Even the DailyKos is bailing on this "story."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/234157/516/1017/581734
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by waterboy
. . . her poor decision to interfere with her sister's divorce by applying pressure
ZZZZZZZZZ oooooold and busted. Another psycho cop with a badge and a thin blue line. She should allow him to threaten her family and drive around all drunk. I am surprised she just did not go a-huntin . . .
Her ex Brother-in-law, an Alaska State Trooper, threatened to SHOOT her parents.
She took that as a credible threat, and had him FIRED.
He shouldn't be carrying a gun.
Simple, really.
P.S. The news is out today: Gov. Palin's 17 year old daughter IS pregnant, and will wed the father.
Which works better with teen-agers: Practicing abstinence, or practicing Birth control?
I agree the conspiracy theory is pretty ridiculous.
I have to question anyone's judgment, however, to hop into a plane for eight hours after your water breaks. Like there wasn't a hospital somewhere around? Isn't that risky given the circumstance?
That's the only part of the story I find strange.
But it was her choice, I guess. And everything worked out OK in the end.
Her daughter is pregnant . . .
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080901/pl_nm/usa_politics_palin_dc
Good grief. Fake pregnancy . . . maybe she flew on a plane to get home, she was aware of her child's condition and wanted to be where he could be cared for by phsycians she trusted in case there were any complications. Maybe she had a dr on the plane with her flying home, a woman does estalbish a pretty tight relationship with her OB and since she knew her son had Downs, it probably added even more emotion to that relationship.
RM I am not saying YOU are stupid and vile, just that the story is but I am surprised that you would even toss that out there - even with a shrug.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
That is the most pathetic, far-reaching smear I have ever, ever read, RM. Bizarre, desperate. Ya'll do better to point out that 80% of her peers disagree with her life choices and abort their Down's babies.
This from a guy who, less than 48 hours ago, was trying to swiftboat Obama over a letter of recommendation he may (or may not) have received from an apparent muslim who may (or may not) be who you think it is, which may (or may not) have helped him get into Harvard, a school that he's obviously smart enough to attend anyway. You see, THAT'S pathetic, too...all full of Islamic fear and racial overtones.
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Originally posted by Chicken Little
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
That is the most pathetic, far-reaching smear I have ever, ever read, RM. Bizarre, desperate. Ya'll do better to point out that 80% of her peers disagree with her life choices and abort their Down's babies.
This from a guy who, less than 48 hours ago, was trying to swiftboat Obama over a letter of recommendation he may (or may not) have received from an apparent muslim who may (or may not) be who you think it is, which may (or may not) have helped him get into Harvard, a school that he's obviously smart enough to attend anyway. You see, THAT'S pathetic, too...all full of Islamic fear and racial overtones.
Ha ha! The former loyyah for Malcolm X writes a letter of recommendation for Obama on behest of a Saudi bigwig and you think it is the same as a tummy-pouch controversy stirred up by Daily Kooks? Get real!
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by Chicken Little
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
That is the most pathetic, far-reaching smear I have ever, ever read, RM. Bizarre, desperate. Ya'll do better to point out that 80% of her peers disagree with her life choices and abort their Down's babies.
This from a guy who, less than 48 hours ago, was trying to swiftboat Obama over a letter of recommendation he may (or may not) have received from an apparent muslim who may (or may not) be who you think it is, which may (or may not) have helped him get into Harvard, a school that he's obviously smart enough to attend anyway. You see, THAT'S pathetic, too...all full of Islamic fear and racial overtones.
Ha ha! The former loyyah for Malcolm X writes a letter of recommendation for Obama on behest of a Saudi bigwig and you think it is the same as a tummy-pouch controversy stirred up by Daily Kooks? Get real!
Please, Tim ... you jumped the shark on this forum along time ago. Your credibility leaves much to be desired.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
Ha ha! The former loyyah for Malcolm X writes a letter of recommendation for Obama on behest of a Saudi bigwig and you think it is the same as a tummy-pouch controversy stirred up by Daily Kooks? Get real!
Ha, ha, ha! Even if these people were who you say they were thirty years ago, you're still holding onto a big bag of guilt by association. In other words...nothing.
David Duke is voting for McCain. Does that make McCain a member of the KKK? Hell, no.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
Please, Tim ... you jumped the shark on this forum along time ago. Your credibility leaves much to be desired.
Oh yeah? Wanna make this about me? Good luck! I ripped you a new one every time you came at me with your stoopid ad hominen attacks. You loser! You could not debate your way out of a paper sack! Now go crawl away or cry like a baby to the Admin . . . whaaaaa po sweet baby!
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
Please, Tim ... you jumped the shark on this forum along time ago. Your credibility leaves much to be desired.
Oh yeah? Wanna make this about me? Good luck! I ripped you a new one every time you came at me with your stoopid ad hominen attacks. You loser! You could not debate your way out of a paper sack! Now go crawl away or cry like a baby to the Admin . . . whaaaaa po sweet baby!
Case closed.
What the heck is a loyyah, anyways? I google this and apparently you are the only person in the world using it in English.
Is it some kind of scary-sounding, islamophobic variant of loyalist? Geez, I'll bet that sends your freeper (//%22http://www.freerepublic.com/home.htm%22) buds running for a change of underwear.
Why don't you bounce on over to the other creepy thread and give us an update: a) Are these people who you think they are?, b) Did Obama ask for and receive their help?, and c) did it make a difference? I'll wager it all on d) You could care less as long as it distracts from anything important.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
Please, Tim ... you jumped the shark on this forum along time ago. Your credibility leaves much to be desired.
Oh yeah? Wanna make this about me? Good luck! I ripped you a new one every time you came at me with your stoopid ad hominen attacks. You loser! You could not debate your way out of a paper sack! Now go crawl away or cry like a baby to the Admin . . . whaaaaa po sweet baby!
Make sure your parents monitor your computer usage please.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by waterboy
. . . her poor decision to interfere with her sister's divorce by applying pressure
ZZZZZZZZZ oooooold and busted. Another psycho cop with a badge and a thin blue line. She should allow him to threaten her family and drive around all drunk. I am surprised she just did not go a-huntin . . .
Her ex Brother-in-law, an Alaska State Trooper, threatened to SHOOT her parents.
She took that as a credible threat, and had him FIRED.
He shouldn't be carrying a gun.
Simple, really.
Simple, really. If you're the judge hearing the case or the investigator finding out the real details. Or you're posting on the internet.[;)]
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
Case closed.
Your mind is closed and you are a coward.
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Originally posted by Chicken Little
What the heck is a loyyah, anyways? I google this and apparently you are the only person in the world using it in English.
Is it some kind of scary-sounding, islamophobic variant of loyalist? Geez, I'll bet that sends your freeper (//%22http://www.freerepublic.com/home.htm%22) buds running for a change of underwear.
Why don't you bounce on over to the other creepy thread and give us an update: a) Are these people who you think they are?, b) Did Obama ask for and receive their help?, and c) did it make a difference? I'll wager it all on d) You could care less as long as it distracts from anything important.
What is with you and Freepers? I never post there and have not read it in like months. They must make you very, very afraid.
The questions you ask are good and hope they come out. I would be worried that the Hannitys et al are waiting this one out. If you want to debate that issue that thread is still going on, if you want to defend this nonsense again Palin bring it on.
Getting back to the topic here, Palin is all for abstinence and the like, yet she can't even enforce it in her own home? Hmm....the sound of evangelical conservatives heads blowing up in 3...2...1
Yeah! She's being punished with a baby instead.
Hey Hoss, got straw?
Well if she wasn't a Grandmother before, she soon will be:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/bristol_palin_is_pregnant.html
So much for teaching abstinence....
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Well if she wasn't a Grandmother before, she soon will be:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/bristol_palin_is_pregnant.html
So much for teaching abstinence....
Looks like there's a sale on straw at the co-op today folks.[B)]
Oh, and Todd Palin was arrested for DUI in '86.
The smartest thing the Obama camp can do now is just sit back and watch the train wreck- no comments needed.
But.......she can sure bag a moose!!
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Originally posted by azbadpuppy
Oh, and Todd Palin was arrested for DUI in '86.
The smartest thing the Obama camp can do now is just sit back and watch the train wreck- no comments needed.
Anymore red herrings or canards you want to drag out.
OOOOhhhh...Obama did DRUGS in college! Take that.[xx(]
What the hell does this garbage have anything to do with anything, short of prove that you read the dailykos?
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Originally posted by iplaw
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Originally posted by azbadpuppy
Oh, and Todd Palin was arrested for DUI in '86.
The smartest thing the Obama camp can do now is just sit back and watch the train wreck- no comments needed.
Anymore red herrings or canards you want to drag out.
OOOOhhhh...Obama did DRUGS in college! Take that.[xx(]
What the hell does this garbage have anything to do with anything, short of prove that you read the dailykos?
I personally am not "dragging" anything out, but trust me it all will be.
What it has to do with is exposing the hypocrisy of the so called morally superior that have hijacked our country for the past 8 years. We don't need any more of this.
What we need are people that will focus on the real issues to get the country back on track, instead of relying on fear tactics and some sort of false sense of moral superiority.
It has become very apparent that the GOP is only interested in pandering to the evangelical crowd- the rest of America be damned (literally).
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Originally posted by azbadpuppy
I personally am not "dragging" anything out, but trust me it all will be.
That is right on. Which makes it more imperative to not go with the stupid accusations and crazy shiate.
I think what is making the liberals crazy is that the Palin family values the sanctity of life. The family not only talks the talk but also walks the walk.
They are not choosing to kill a child because it is an inconvience. They have decided to have the child and support the child, the mother and the father as a family.
It is driving the Left absolutely insane beyond the farthest reaches of the daily kos.
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Originally posted by MH2010
I think what is making the liberals crazy is that the Palin family values the sanctity of life. The family not only talks the talk but also walks the walk.
They are not choosing to kill a child because it is an inconvience. They have decided to have the child and support the child, the mother and the father as a family.
It is driving the Left absolutely insane beyond the farthest reaches of the daily kos.
As a member of the left (so ordained by Tulsa) and an unabashed liberal...no we aren't. We don't kill babies, we don't eat them and we don't just allow the blonde, blue eyed ones to be borne. Thats winger stuff. If it gets you through the night though it can't be all bad.
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Originally posted by MH2010
I think what is making the liberals crazy is that the Palin family values the sanctity of life. The family not only talks the talk but also walks the walk.
They are not choosing to kill a child because it is an inconvience. They have decided to have the child and support the child, the mother and the father as a family.
It is driving the Left absolutely insane beyond the farthest reaches of the daily kos.
Thats a pretty good spin, but the real issue is that Palin supports 'abstinence only' sex ed, is a devout evangelical, and her own 17 year old unwed daughter gets knocked up.
I don't think anyone cares the daughter decided to keep it. In fact, do you really think she had any choice in the matter? Same goes for their announcement that they will eventually get married. Lol! Like they would be allowed to NOT be married, or get an abortion, or do anything else that would be considered 'unchristian'?
You really can't be that naive!
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Originally posted by azbadpuppy
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Originally posted by iplaw
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Originally posted by azbadpuppy
Oh, and Todd Palin was arrested for DUI in '86.
The smartest thing the Obama camp can do now is just sit back and watch the train wreck- no comments needed.
Anymore red herrings or canards you want to drag out.
OOOOhhhh...Obama did DRUGS in college! Take that.[xx(]
What the hell does this garbage have anything to do with anything, short of prove that you read the dailykos?
I personally am not "dragging" anything out, but trust me it all will be.
What it has to do with is exposing the hypocrisy of the so called morally superior that have hijacked our country for the past 8 years. We don't need any more of this.
What we need are people that will focus on the real issues to get the country back on track, instead of relying on fear tactics and some sort of false sense of moral superiority.
It has become very apparent that the GOP is only interested in pandering to the evangelical crowd- the rest of America be damned (literally).
Then don't ***** when your candidate and his wife get the sh$t hammer for the next two months. Turn about is fair play.
Hijacked the country? Please, you need to get a life. As I recall, our officials are elected. Go out and get some fresh air, it might do you some good.
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Originally posted by waterboy
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We don't kill babies, we don't eat them and we don't just allow the blonde, blue eyed ones to be borne. Thats winger stuff.
80% of Downs babies are aborted. The massacre would be bipartisan.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by waterboy
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We don't kill babies, we don't eat them and we don't just allow the blonde, blue eyed ones to be borne. Thats winger stuff.
80% of Downs babies are aborted. The massacre would be bipartisan.
I'll assume your figure is correct. If so it is bipartisan in nature. That's a reality lost on wingers (both sides) who are wrapped up in their own visions of morality. Massacre is the wrong word. Each one is an individual decision.
I neither admire her or loathe her for her decision. It was HER decision and no government could force her to into it. She and McCain on the other hand feel that a government should be able to force such decisions based on religious morality.
Now that's an issue that separates the candidates and is worthy of discussion.
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Originally posted by iplaw
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Originally posted by azbadpuppy
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Originally posted by iplaw
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Originally posted by azbadpuppy
Oh, and Todd Palin was arrested for DUI in '86.
The smartest thing the Obama camp can do now is just sit back and watch the train wreck- no comments needed.
Anymore red herrings or canards you want to drag out.
OOOOhhhh...Obama did DRUGS in college! Take that.[xx(]
What the hell does this garbage have anything to do with anything, short of prove that you read the dailykos?
I personally am not "dragging" anything out, but trust me it all will be.
What it has to do with is exposing the hypocrisy of the so called morally superior that have hijacked our country for the past 8 years. We don't need any more of this.
What we need are people that will focus on the real issues to get the country back on track, instead of relying on fear tactics and some sort of false sense of moral superiority.
It has become very apparent that the GOP is only interested in pandering to the evangelical crowd- the rest of America be damned (literally).
Then don't ***** when your candidate and his wife get the sh$t hammer for the next two months. Turn about is fair play.
Hijacked the country? Please, you need to get a life. As I recall, our officials are elected. Go out and get some fresh air, it might do you some good.
Angry much?
I've never said that either side should not expect everything to be brought into the open. Its fair play for both sides. Let me just say though, when you run on a 'moral' platform you better be ready to get called out if you are anything less than.
And the breath of fresh air......that will be coming 'round November.
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by waterboy
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We don't kill babies, we don't eat them and we don't just allow the blonde, blue eyed ones to be borne. Thats winger stuff.
80% of Downs babies are aborted. The massacre would be bipartisan.
I'll assume your figure is correct. If so it is bipartisan in nature. That's a reality lost on wingers (both sides) who are wrapped up in their own visions of morality. Massacre is the wrong word. Each one is an individual decision.
I neither admire her or loathe her for her decision. It was HER decision and no government could force her to into it. She and McCain on the other hand feel that a government should be able to force such decisions based on religious morality.
Now that's an issue that separates the candidates and is worthy of discussion.
Barry is so anti-life he is willing to let babies die on the table rather than compromise. Discuss? What is to discuss?
I guess that this thread is proof of my biggest campaign nightmare.
That nightmare is that abortion is the only issue that matters and people will close their mind to everything else. No matter how much I agree or disagree with the candidate onfifteen issues, the one that gets my vote is the one that probably affects the fewest number of people.
The war, the economy, safety, environmentalism, education, health care, and another bunch of things affect me every day. Abortion doesn't. My wife and I never considered it. Never in my life have I ever been having to decide that question. Maybe I am just different.
But single issue politics is the worst kind of politics. There are so many things to consider in choosing a candidate.
This is my fear. John McCain picked her just to frame this one single issue. He kept hinting that he was considering a pro-choice running mate just to have every pro-life person get involved in telling him not to.
It was all an election ploy. It doesn't matter if Sarah Palin is qualified or not. She is the perfect person to argue the one thing that will split our country and give him a chance to win.
I so hoped we were beyond this.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I guess that this thread is proof of my biggest campaign nightmare.
That nightmare is that abortion is the only issue that matters and people will close their mind to everything else. No matter how much I agree or disagree with the candidate onfifteen issues, the one that gets my vote is the one that probably affects the fewest number of people.
The war, the economy, safety, environmentalism, education, health care, and another bunch of things affect me every day. Abortion doesn't. My wife and I never considered it. Never in my life have I ever been having to decide that question. Maybe I am just different.
But single issue politics is the worst kind of politics. There are so many things to consider in choosing a candidate.
This is my fear. John McCain picked her just to frame this one single issue. He kept hinting that he was considering a pro-choice running mate just to have every pro-life person get involved in telling him not to.
It was all an election ploy. It doesn't matter if Sarah Palin is qualified or not. She is the perfect person to argue the one thing that will split our country and give him a chance to win.
I so hoped we were beyond this.
Bingo.
It's so true, but very, very unfortunate for all Americans.
All the more reason for people in states like Oklahoma to get out and vote for the candidates who stand up for the real issues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo
Obama - I don't want my daughters "punished with a baby"
McBush totally destroyed his slim chances of winning 200 electoral votes. Obamas' landslide is going to be bigger than the devil determined early on or ever imagined!
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Originally posted by azbadpuppy
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Originally posted by iplaw
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Originally posted by azbadpuppy
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Originally posted by iplaw
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Originally posted by azbadpuppy
Oh, and Todd Palin was arrested for DUI in '86.
The smartest thing the Obama camp can do now is just sit back and watch the train wreck- no comments needed.
Anymore red herrings or canards you want to drag out.
OOOOhhhh...Obama did DRUGS in college! Take that.[xx(]
What the hell does this garbage have anything to do with anything, short of prove that you read the dailykos?
I personally am not "dragging" anything out, but trust me it all will be.
What it has to do with is exposing the hypocrisy of the so called morally superior that have hijacked our country for the past 8 years. We don't need any more of this.
What we need are people that will focus on the real issues to get the country back on track, instead of relying on fear tactics and some sort of false sense of moral superiority.
It has become very apparent that the GOP is only interested in pandering to the evangelical crowd- the rest of America be damned (literally).
Then don't ***** when your candidate and his wife get the sh$t hammer for the next two months. Turn about is fair play.
Hijacked the country? Please, you need to get a life. As I recall, our officials are elected. Go out and get some fresh air, it might do you some good.
Angry much?
I've never said that either side should not expect everything to be brought into the open. Its fair play for both sides. Let me just say though, when you run on a 'moral' platform you better be ready to get called out if you are anything less than.
And the breath of fresh air......that will be coming 'round November.
Wait until the GOP educates everyone just a little bit more about Reverand Wright, Black Liberation Theology, and Obama bin Obama's 20 year church membership.
MAYBE a little more important than a 20 year old DUI by the First Dude.
You're gonna love their October Surprise:
The video of Obama vigorously applauding another racist rant by his philosophical MENTOR Reverand Wright.
Wait for it......
[:O]
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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We don't kill babies, we don't eat them and we don't just allow the blonde, blue eyed ones to be borne. Thats winger stuff.
80% of Downs babies are aborted. The massacre would be bipartisan.
I'll assume your figure is correct. If so it is bipartisan in nature. That's a reality lost on wingers (both sides) who are wrapped up in their own visions of morality. Massacre is the wrong word. Each one is an individual decision.
I neither admire her or loathe her for her decision. It was HER decision and no government could force her to into it. She and McCain on the other hand feel that a government should be able to force such decisions based on religious morality.
Now that's an issue that separates the candidates and is worthy of discussion.
Barry is so anti-life he is willing to let babies die on the table rather than compromise. Discuss? What is to discuss?
You must be talking about Barry Dinsmore, who is serving time for murder. Don't know anything else about him.
If you want to discuss the issue of a woman's right to decide if she wants to carry a rapists child to full term because her government says she has to, well that would be an interesting thread. The same government would have the same power to tell her to abort it or punish her for not terminating it (like China) if the winds of politics changed. Keeping that right with each individual seems preferable.
Thats called discussion.
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Originally posted by azbadpuppy
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Wait until the GOP educates everyone just a little bit more about Reverand Wright, Black Liberation Theology, and Obama bin Obama's 20 year church membership.
MAYBE a little more important than a 20 year old DUI by the First Dude.
You're gonna love their October Surprise:
The video of Obama vigorously applauding another racist rant by his philosophical MENTOR Reverand Wright.
Wait for it......
[:O]
Yeah, we've so enjoyed their education curriculum for the last decade. Go to the well too often and soon there's no water.
Oh, you must be ecstatic knowing that of course the donkey**pe republican educators will be matched by the donkey**pe democratic educators and we can all sit back horrified and watch the country disintegrate.
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by MH2010
I think what is making the liberals crazy is that the Palin family values the sanctity of life. The family not only talks the talk but also walks the walk.
They are not choosing to kill a child because it is an inconvience. They have decided to have the child and support the child, the mother and the father as a family.
It is driving the Left absolutely insane beyond the farthest reaches of the daily kos.
As a member of the left (so ordained by Tulsa) and an unabashed liberal...no we aren't. We don't kill babies, we don't eat them and we don't just allow the blonde, blue eyed ones to be borne. Thats winger stuff. If it gets you through the night though it can't be all bad.
Help me understand how having an abortion is not killing a baby.
Way to try and spin it up with the "we don't
eat them" line.
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Originally posted by MH2010
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by MH2010
I think what is making the liberals crazy is that the Palin family values the sanctity of life. The family not only talks the talk but also walks the walk.
They are not choosing to kill a child because it is an inconvience. They have decided to have the child and support the child, the mother and the father as a family.
It is driving the Left absolutely insane beyond the farthest reaches of the daily kos.
As a member of the left (so ordained by Tulsa) and an unabashed liberal...no we aren't. We don't kill babies, we don't eat them and we don't just allow the blonde, blue eyed ones to be borne. Thats winger stuff. If it gets you through the night though it can't be all bad.
Help me understand how having an abortion is not killing a baby.
Way to try and spin it up with the "we don't
eat them" line.
Obviously Roe v Wade decided otherwise.
As to the morality of it, I think it's up to each individual who has to make the choice. The goobermind shouldn't be pushing morals on its people. Smells an awful lot like what made Brits leave England for the New World (persecution for their beliefs).
I think it's wrong in many ways, but I think it's the woman's choice. It's her body, she has to live with the decision. I don't see why that's such a hard fact to fathom for some people.
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Originally posted by azbadpuppy
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Originally posted by MH2010
I think what is making the liberals crazy is that the Palin family values the sanctity of life. The family not only talks the talk but also walks the walk.
They are not choosing to kill a child because it is an inconvience. They have decided to have the child and support the child, the mother and the father as a family.
It is driving the Left absolutely insane beyond the farthest reaches of the daily kos.
Thats a pretty good spin, but the real issue is that Palin supports 'abstinence only' sex ed, is a devout evangelical, and her own 17 year old unwed daughter gets knocked up.
I don't think anyone cares the daughter decided to keep it. In fact, do you really think she had any choice in the matter? Same goes for their announcement that they will eventually get married. Lol! Like they would be allowed to NOT be married, or get an abortion, or do anything else that would be considered 'unchristian'?
You really can't be that naive!
Of course she had a choice. Abortion is legal. Would you have felt better if Palin would have taken her daughter for a secret abortion because she couldn't handle the inconvience of a unplanned pregnancy?
You actually think there are still shotgun weddings? (Well maybe in the Appalachian mountains.) Maybe these two love each other and plan to try and make it work. Maybe their marriage will work or maybe it won't but at least they are going to try and raise this child with the benifits of a healthy marriage.
I think it is funny that you immediatley discount a couple wanting form a union to raise an unborn child and to also be "christian".
I feel sorry for you.
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Originally posted by MH2010
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by MH2010
I think what is making the liberals crazy is that the Palin family values the sanctity of life. The family not only talks the talk but also walks the walk.
They are not choosing to kill a child because it is an inconvience. They have decided to have the child and support the child, the mother and the father as a family.
It is driving the Left absolutely insane beyond the farthest reaches of the daily kos.
As a member of the left (so ordained by Tulsa) and an unabashed liberal...no we aren't. We don't kill babies, we don't eat them and we don't just allow the blonde, blue eyed ones to be borne. Thats winger stuff. If it gets you through the night though it can't be all bad.
Help me understand how having an abortion is not killing a baby.
Way to try and spin it up with the "we don't
eat them" line.
Not the right thread but what the hell. Start one so you guys can get it out of your system.
I'm sorry I brought it up but its better than the crap that's been passing for issues around here.
I read somewhere that the real difference between the parties is that Republicans see the world like GW: Good guys/bad guys, right/wrong, rich/poor. It makes life simple for them and their solutions reflect that. Democrats do not see the world as so clear cut. Their solutions are more pragmatic.
Are you prepared to see your loved one carry the child of a rapist who had defective mental genes? When you knew at 8 weeks? Are you one who would let your wife die rather than terminate a fetus that threatens her life and you knew in first trimester? "Sorry honey, you've got to die for mine and the government's moral beliefs. I'll find a good mother for the child though".
Can you explain how the state's interest in those decisions outweigh the mother's right to decide?
Oh, yeah, your spin snipe. Your post did the same thing. Crazy liberals, insane liberals, baby killing for convenience, vs Palin family values and sanctity of life. What, you own a Gingrich word manual?
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by MH2010
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by MH2010
I think what is making the liberals crazy is that the Palin family values the sanctity of life. The family not only talks the talk but also walks the walk.
They are not choosing to kill a child because it is an inconvience. They have decided to have the child and support the child, the mother and the father as a family.
It is driving the Left absolutely insane beyond the farthest reaches of the daily kos.
As a member of the left (so ordained by Tulsa) and an unabashed liberal...no we aren't. We don't kill babies, we don't eat them and we don't just allow the blonde, blue eyed ones to be borne. Thats winger stuff. If it gets you through the night though it can't be all bad.
Help me understand how having an abortion is not killing a baby.
Way to try and spin it up with the "we don't
eat them" line.
Obviously Roe v Wade decided otherwise.
As to the morality of it, I think it's up to each individual who has to make the choice. The goobermind shouldn't be pushing morals on its people. Smells an awful lot like what made Brits leave England for the New World (persecution for their beliefs).
I think it's wrong in many ways, but I think it's the woman's choice. It's her body, she has to live with the decision. I don't see why that's such a hard fact to fathom for some people.
Now just to muddy the waters more, I never said I was against all abortions. I can see where abortion has it's place in the cases of incest, rape and when the mother's life is in danger. I just don't like the idea of using abortion as another form of birth control.
For women who demand complete control of their body, can we not promote control that includes preventing an unwanted pregnancy through the responsible use of contraception or, if that is not possible, through abstinence.
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Originally posted by MH2010
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by MH2010
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by MH2010
I think what is making the liberals crazy is that the Palin family values the sanctity of life. The family not only talks the talk but also walks the walk.
They are not choosing to kill a child because it is an inconvience. They have decided to have the child and support the child, the mother and the father as a family.
It is driving the Left absolutely insane beyond the farthest reaches of the daily kos.
As a member of the left (so ordained by Tulsa) and an unabashed liberal...no we aren't. We don't kill babies, we don't eat them and we don't just allow the blonde, blue eyed ones to be borne. Thats winger stuff. If it gets you through the night though it can't be all bad.
Help me understand how having an abortion is not killing a baby.
Way to try and spin it up with the "we don't
eat them" line.
Obviously Roe v Wade decided otherwise.
As to the morality of it, I think it's up to each individual who has to make the choice. The goobermind shouldn't be pushing morals on its people. Smells an awful lot like what made Brits leave England for the New World (persecution for their beliefs).
I think it's wrong in many ways, but I think it's the woman's choice. It's her body, she has to live with the decision. I don't see why that's such a hard fact to fathom for some people.
Now just to muddy the waters more, I never said I was against all abortions. I can see where abortion has it's place in the cases of incest, rape and when the mother's life is in danger. I just don't like the idea of using abortion as another form of birth control.
For women who demand complete control of their body, can we not promote control that includes preventing an unwanted pregnancy through the responsible use of contraception or, if that is not possible, through abstinence.
Problem is, most forms of contraception are not 100 percent effective. What then? Ostracize women because 'oh well, you were in that 1 percent'?
Not saying I don't agree with you, but it's not a cut and dry issue.
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Originally posted by MH2010
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Originally posted by azbadpuppy
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Originally posted by MH2010
I think what is making the liberals crazy is that the Palin family values the sanctity of life. The family not only talks the talk but also walks the walk.
They are not choosing to kill a child because it is an inconvience. They have decided to have the child and support the child, the mother and the father as a family.
It is driving the Left absolutely insane beyond the farthest reaches of the daily kos.
Thats a pretty good spin, but the real issue is that Palin supports 'abstinence only' sex ed, is a devout evangelical, and her own 17 year old unwed daughter gets knocked up.
I don't think anyone cares the daughter decided to keep it. In fact, do you really think she had any choice in the matter? Same goes for their announcement that they will eventually get married. Lol! Like they would be allowed to NOT be married, or get an abortion, or do anything else that would be considered 'unchristian'?
You really can't be that naive!
Of course she had a choice. Abortion is legal. Would you have felt better if Palin would have taken her daughter for a secret abortion because she couldn't handle the inconvience of a unplanned pregnancy?
You actually think there are still shotgun weddings? (Well maybe in the Appalachian mountains.) Maybe these two love each other and plan to try and make it work. Maybe their marriage will work or maybe it won't but at least they are going to try and raise this child with the benifits of a healthy marriage.
I think it is funny that you immediatley discount a couple wanting form a union to raise an unborn child and to also be "christian".
I feel sorry for you.
If you are a minor, you need parental consent to have an abortion. Do you honestly think that would happen? It would be political suicide. She really does NOT have a choice.
And having a child out of wedlock? Oh no- that's a big sin too. They gotta get hitched to make it legit. Maybe they do love each other- I hope for their sake they do. It really doesn't matter though when the stakes for mommy are so high.
I find it very humorous that you feel sorry for me- you don't even know me. Big waste of energy really.
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Originally posted by MH2010
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by MH2010
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by MH2010
I think what is making the liberals crazy is that the Palin family values the sanctity of life. The family not only talks the talk but also walks the walk.
They are not choosing to kill a child because it is an inconvience. They have decided to have the child and support the child, the mother and the father as a family.
It is driving the Left absolutely insane beyond the farthest reaches of the daily kos.
As a member of the left (so ordained by Tulsa) and an unabashed liberal...no we aren't. We don't kill babies, we don't eat them and we don't just allow the blonde, blue eyed ones to be borne. Thats winger stuff. If it gets you through the night though it can't be all bad.
Help me understand how having an abortion is not killing a baby.
Way to try and spin it up with the "we don't
eat them" line.
Obviously Roe v Wade decided otherwise.
As to the morality of it, I think it's up to each individual who has to make the choice. The goobermind shouldn't be pushing morals on its people. Smells an awful lot like what made Brits leave England for the New World (persecution for their beliefs).
I think it's wrong in many ways, but I think it's the woman's choice. It's her body, she has to live with the decision. I don't see why that's such a hard fact to fathom for some people.
Now just to muddy the waters more, I never said I was against all abortions. I can see where abortion has it's place in the cases of incest, rape and when the mother's life is in danger. I just don't like the idea of using abortion as another form of birth control.
For women who demand complete control of their body, can we not promote control that includes preventing an unwanted pregnancy through the responsible use of contraception or, if that is not possible, through abstinence.
Your view, though similar to mine, is anathema to the republican party platform. No abortions, period.
Abortions are legal.
People who oppose abortions don't believe in following the law of the land.
"Your view, though similar to mine, is anathema to the republican party platform. No abortions, period."
Yeah, I know. However, the Republican party holds more of the views I believe and I'm not a one issue voter.
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Originally posted by MH2010
"Your view, though similar to mine, is anathema to the republican party platform. No abortions, period."
Yeah, I know. However, the Republican party holds more of the views I believe and I'm not a one issue voter.
My respect for you is restored.[8D]
I anxiously await the discussions on health care, economics and energy that have much more direct affect on all of us. The war is always there too.
Boone Pickens surprised me taking no sides at all and waiting for the winner to emerge. Good ploy.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Abortions are legal.
People who oppose abortions don't believe in following the law of the land.
Yeah, they are for now but ONE DAY there will be NO CHOICE. Losing that right incrementally at first and then all of a sudden POOF! The Genocide stops? Is that the fear? Why the hysterical emails - such
virulent negativity? The issue should help pro-abortion kinds of single-issue candidates quite a bit! I am surprised at the rabid fear of this woman. The numbers work for the pro-abortion camp: 80% of Down's pregnancies are aborted - a landslide on the issue. But THIS woman would take that away. Yeah, she can spit 'em out sideways on a plane back to the Great State, but she stands in opposition to the evident will of 80% of the electorate. Why panic?
A political master stroke!! Her coattails will energize the base nationwide in thousands and thousands of races downstream. Remember that kid in Muskogee who beat the stodgy Democrat? Huckabee coattails. Think of the evangelicals - not the neo-Christians, but you know, the Robertson/Falwell/LaHaye kind - FINALLY having ONE OF THEIR OWN in the White House - an Assemblies girl! Think THAT will help git-out-the-vote drives? THAT should make you panic because THOSE people ARE single-issue voters.
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Originally posted by waterboy
You're losing more credibility each time you post. You assert that you have no dog in this race.
G-dawg is just mocking the absolute stupidity of the charge that Palin had her own grandbaby. That is the stoopidest thing I have heard since 'Brownie, yer doin a heckuva job.'
Yeah, Sometimes you just have to get the "idiot engine" all primed up so you can watch it run for a few days. I'd say their are at least 3 threads on this forum that will offer great entertainment for the upcoming week, then when the flakes filter out the genuine discussion can continue.