I don't know which is worst...having seven or eight houses or not knowing how many you have.
Why would you have that many houses? I know a guy who has a beach home in Florida, a mountain home in Colorado, a ranch home in Texas and a primary residence in Tulsa. He seems extravagent to me, but he says each of them are used for months at a time by family and friends. Four is a lot, but half af what MCain has.
How can you not remember how many homes you have? Is he that old? I have never met anybody who didn't know how many homes he had.
A) This is lame
B) You missed this by a week
C) Shouldn't you be in Denver cheering on your guy?
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Originally posted by Conan71
You missed this by a week
Good point. I just got all wrapped up in the Olympics, Driller games and prepping for my fantasy football leagues.
After a week, McCain could own a couple of more houses that he can't remember.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
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Originally posted by Conan71
You missed this by a week
Good point. I just got all wrapped up in the Olympics, Driller games and prepping for my fantasy football leagues.
After a week, McCain could own a couple of more houses that he can't remember.
Actually, now they "think" he only owns five homes. Old age is a biznitch!
Now they are saying ten.
1 Phoenix, AZ Condo $4,666,814
2 Coronado, CA Condo $2,705,040
3 Coronado, CA Condo $2,100,000
4 Sedona, AZ House $405,707
5 Sedona, AZ House $369,929
6 Sedona, AZ House $327,929
7 La Jolla, CA Condo >$1,000,000
8 Arlington, VA Condo $847,800
9 Phoenix, AZ Loft $700,000
10 Phoenix, AZ Loft $700,000
I know someone who owns 23 or 24, he has to think about it every time I ask.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
I know someone who owns 23 or 24, he has to think about it every time I ask.
Yeah, but I'm betting that person isn't running for leader of the Free World....
Red Herring is on the menu tonight?
Pretty obvious some of those have got to be rental properties, like the multiple homes in Sedona and lofts in Phx.
It's kind of a BFD issue and when it comes down to petty issues like this it must mean there's no real dirt to find under his fingernails.
Yeah I'm trying to figure out why this even matters?
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Originally posted by tulsacyclist
Yeah I'm trying to figure out why this even matters?
Because it eviscerates the "Obama is an elitist" argument that McCain's been trotting out for weeks.
Obama owns one house and became wealthy only in the past few years (mostly from book sales). McCain married into money and can't even remember how many houses he has. Which sounds more elite?
Frankly, I'm stunned that McCain brought out that stupid "elitist" argument in the first place. It was lame.
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Originally posted by tulsacyclist
Yeah I'm trying to figure out why this even matters?
The only reason it matters is because the guy recently said the economy is fundamentally strong. Its easy to perceive the economy as strong when you have 7-10 houses. All the while trying to label Obama as an elitist and out-of-touch.
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
I know someone who owns 23 or 24, he has to think about it every time I ask.
Yeah, but I'm betting that person isn't running for leader of the Free World....
My point is, if you own that many, you've probably never spent the night in most of them. He may have bought them for family, rentals, whatever.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
I know someone who owns 23 or 24, he has to think about it every time I ask.
Yeah, but I'm betting that person isn't running for leader of the Free World....
My point is, if you own that many, you've probably never spent the night in most of them. He may have bought them for family, rentals, whatever.
But, you have got to know in this day and age that if you run for President, you are going to be mulled over with a fine-toothed comb, and then done some more.
Here's how Texas is handling this "controversy."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auG9qsZpL6o&eurl=http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/25/video-texas-gop-goes-after-obama-on-houses/
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Originally posted by guido911
Here's how Texas is handling this "controversy."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auG9qsZpL6o&eurl=http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/25/video-texas-gop-goes-after-obama-on-houses/
Dumbf*ckistanians:
It does not matter who you trash or who you support.
The battlefield changed. You're not included.
Stick to the sticks, hicks.
"
If the church is going to measure today's candidates on such "faith and values" issues as abortion. gay marriage, war and the environment, shouldn't wealth (theirs and ours) also be part of that discussion? "
"What politicians do with their own money says something about their character. It says even more about their faith."http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2008/08/rich_mccain_poor_mccain.html
"All along the watchtower, princes kept the view. ...A wild cat did growl. Two riders were approaching and the wind began to howl. "
Jack Fate (aka B. Dylan 8-27-08 Brady)
It's not so much that he actually forgot how many houses he has . . . like sgrizz says, that could feasibly happen in several different scenarios. The reason it's taken on a life of its own is that, in context with the rest of what we know about McCain, it encapsulates just how out of touch he really is. It's something that people know or suspect about him already, but him forgetting how rich he is is the simple and compelling detail that nails it for everyone.
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Originally posted by guido911
Here's how Texas is handling this "controversy."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auG9qsZpL6o&eurl=http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/25/video-texas-gop-goes-after-obama-on-houses/
So, Obama is criticizing the McCains for "successfully living the American dream." I guess by the American dream, they mean inheriting millions from Daddy, while your half sister gets squat. Or maybe they mean dumping your first wife who patiently waited years for you so that you could marry a good looking, super rich girl almost half your age.
And what a zinger against Obama--he hasn't solved the problem of poverty in Kenya, even though he lives in a nice house. That sure is hitting him hard.
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Originally posted by pmcalk
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Originally posted by guido911
Here's how Texas is handling this "controversy."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auG9qsZpL6o&eurl=http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/25/video-texas-gop-goes-after-obama-on-houses/
So, Obama is criticizing the McCains for "successfully living the American dream." I guess by the American dream, they mean inheriting millions from Daddy, while your half sister gets squat. Or maybe they mean dumping your first wife who patiently waited years for you so that you could marry a good looking, super rich girl almost half your age.
And what a zinger against Obama--he hasn't solved the problem of poverty in Kenya, even though he lives in a nice house. That sure is hitting him hard.
I think the "zinger" is that Obama really does not care about the "least of [his] brothers..." as he so eloquently stated at Saddleback. (at 1:30ish)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SBIuTm0RRA
Nice try making it about Kenya when you know darn well the ad is focusing on the absence of Obama's support of his own brother.
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Originally posted by pmcalk
I guess by the American dream, they mean ... dumping your first wife who patiently waited years for you so that you could marry a good looking, super rich girl almost half your age.
That isn't the American Dream?
(TV is lying to me)
I don't know how fair it is to compare Obama's brother. I may be wrong, but I don't think he had ever even met his brother in Kenya until well after his dad had passed. Maybe his brother enjoys a humble, familiar life in his own culture. Is Obama expected to give him an apartment in Manhattan so he can live the so called 'good life.' I sincerely doubt that he would just let him starve or go without needed health care. If there's a story hear, where is it?
I imagine brother will be getting an upgrade in residence to protect our candidate. Security kind of issue.
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Originally posted by guido911
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Originally posted by pmcalk
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Originally posted by guido911
Here's how Texas is handling this "controversy."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auG9qsZpL6o&eurl=http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/25/video-texas-gop-goes-after-obama-on-houses/
So, Obama is criticizing the McCains for "successfully living the American dream." I guess by the American dream, they mean inheriting millions from Daddy, while your half sister gets squat. Or maybe they mean dumping your first wife who patiently waited years for you so that you could marry a good looking, super rich girl almost half your age.
And what a zinger against Obama--he hasn't solved the problem of poverty in Kenya, even though he lives in a nice house. That sure is hitting him hard.
I think the "zinger" is that Obama really does not care about the "least of [his] brothers..." as he so eloquently stated at Saddleback. (at 1:30ish)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SBIuTm0RRA
Nice try making it about Kenya when you know darn well the ad is focusing on the absence of Obama's support of his own brother.
Ah Gweedoe.
Satan can always depend on you to slash.
Then burn![}:)]
"What politicians do with their own money says something about their character. It says even more about their faith."http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2008/08/rich_mccain_poor_mccain.html
After Denver, let's talk about class and fairness.
"We live in a political world
Where courage is a thing of the past
Houses are haunted, children are unwanted
The next day could be your last."
B. Dylan (Brady 8-27-08)
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Originally posted by guido911
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Originally posted by pmcalk
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Originally posted by guido911
Here's how Texas is handling this "controversy."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auG9qsZpL6o&eurl=http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/25/video-texas-gop-goes-after-obama-on-houses/
So, Obama is criticizing the McCains for "successfully living the American dream." I guess by the American dream, they mean inheriting millions from Daddy, while your half sister gets squat. Or maybe they mean dumping your first wife who patiently waited years for you so that you could marry a good looking, super rich girl almost half your age.
And what a zinger against Obama--he hasn't solved the problem of poverty in Kenya, even though he lives in a nice house. That sure is hitting him hard.
I think the "zinger" is that Obama really does not care about the "least of [his] brothers..." as he so eloquently stated at Saddleback. (at 1:30ish)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SBIuTm0RRA
Nice try making it about Kenya when you know darn well the ad is focusing on the absence of Obama's support of his own brother.
Like I said, a real "zinger." One of Obama's many half siblings, whom he has seen twice in his entire life, lives in poverty just like half of the population in Kenya. What is he suppose to do? Send money to every relative living in Kenya, whether he knows them or not?
You do know that Cindy McCain has failed to even acknowledge that she has siblings? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/08/20/2008-08-20_cindy_mccains_only_child_claim_angers_ha-2.html.
People in glass houses....
Well, we know McCain had at least one home:
http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2008/08/28/scgop-launches-mccain-ad/
Go ahead PM, Recycle, and you others out there sniping that "McCain is out of touch." Tell me what your sacrifices have been in pursuit of the American dream. Better yet, tell me what Obama has done. Oh that's right, Obama was a community organizer.
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Originally posted by guido911
Well, we know McCain had at least one home:
http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2008/08/28/scgop-launches-mccain-ad/
Go ahead PM, Recycle, and you others out there sniping that "McCain is out of touch." Tell me what your sacrifices have been in pursuit of the American dream. Better yet, tell me what Obama has done. Oh that's right, Obama was a community organizer.
Jingo ads Jingo ads Jingo all the way....
What might McSame do if elected is the question.
McCain IS out of touch. Bombing innocent children and getting shot down illustrate where you go if you don't study hard.
"If the Democrats cannot adequately warn Americans of the dangers of a hotheaded temperament and uber-neo-con mindset in the White House for another four years, they deserve to lose."
America Against The World
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/america-against.html
When you're confronted by a bully (Rethuglicans), how do you deal with him? By being nice? That only encourages him. I'm wondering why Democrats forever compliment their Rethuglican opponents, e.g. John McCain in this case. Yeah I know it's better to be civil, but we're dealing with thugs in this case, people who don't respect anything but brute force and power.
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Originally posted by guido911
Well, we know McCain had at least one home:
http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2008/08/28/scgop-launches-mccain-ad/
Go ahead PM, Recycle, and you others out there sniping that "McCain is out of touch." Tell me what your sacrifices have been in pursuit of the American dream. Better yet, tell me what Obama has done. Oh that's right, Obama was a community organizer.
Well geez, can't someone be an ex-POW AND out of touch?
If only everything was so simple, Guido.
Yes McCain is a war hero. Yes, we all know he was a POW.
But does that mean he gets a pass on everything the rest of his life? Does he get to be unfaithful to his wife, get caught up in savings and loan scandals, be forgetful of his wealthy homes across the country?
You could say yes to these or you could say no to these based on your personal views of the severity of each.
But you can't say it makes him worthy to be our President.
You see, being President is a hard job and I honestly don't think he is up for it. It has nothing to do with the fact that he is a war hero. He is out of touch with the American people and he has been living in a fantasy world where his rich wife owns and runs everything. He is at an age where remembering things is getting difficult and your anger can often cloud your judgement.
McCain is just the wrong guy for America in 2008. I am internally grateful he served his country and made such a sacrifice. I would shake his hand and buy him a steak and a beer if I ever get the chance. But I won't vote for him for President just because he was a POW.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
You see, being President is a hard job and I honestly don't think he is up for it. It has nothing to do with the fact that he is a war hero. He is out of touch with the American people and he has been living in a fantasy world where his rich wife owns and runs everything. He is at an age where remembering things is getting difficult and your anger can often cloud your judgement.
Wow, hyperbole much. First, I wish we could go back in time and see how you and others handled Heinz-Kerry's financial worth, and whether you thought he lived in fantasy land where his [way more rich than Cindy McCain] rich wife owned and ran everything. As for health issues, following that logic I guess you cannot vote for any ticket with Biden's name on it because Biden has had brain aneurysms, which could explain his tendencies to be obnoxious, to lie about his accomplishments, and to steal other persons ideas.
More to the point, merely being a POW is not a qualifier to be president. Having experience, a record of accomplishment, respect of one's peers, and, yes, service to one's country on the other hand are qualifiers in my opinion. So tell me, using my qualifiers, tell me about Obama's experience and accomplishments? Better yet, tell me about what real sacrifice he has made for this country. Because ultimately, that sacrifice demonstrates character. Sitting in a church for 20 years while a racist demagogue spews black liberation theology then bailing out on it once it is publicly exposed as such, or launching your political career at the home of a person who bombed government buildings or that even refers to his grandmother as a "typical white person" demonstrates to me an absolute absence of any character. In my opinion, it demonstrates both poor judgment and abject cowardice. So go ahead, and vote your conscience and go with the guy YOU were ripping just a few months ago. Here's a thread from this forum you started:
http://www.tulsanow.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9704&whichpage=1&SearchTerms=obama
Kinda sucks getting smacked around by your own words.
No, it doesn't.
I wrote quite a bit about Obama and I wish the democrats had a different nominee. I will vote for Obama, but I won't give him my money and I won't blindly defend him.
This thread is about McCain. As much as I have stated many problems with Obama, I have ten times more with McCain.
McCain is just wrong for America. He is wrong on the war, wrong on the economy, wrong on immigration, wrong on energy. The American voters will choose Obama over McCain.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
No, it doesn't.
I wrote quite a bit about Obama and I wish the democrats had a different nominee. I will vote for Obama, but I won't give him my money and I won't blindly defend him.
This thread is about McCain. As much as I have stated many problems with Obama, I have ten times more with McCain.
McCain is just wrong for America. He is wrong on the war, wrong on the economy, wrong on immigration, wrong on energy. The American voters will choose Obama over McCain.
First, this thread can be about whatever we want it to be. As for McCain being 10 times worse than McCain, I would simply again point to your prior posts:
Obama is a liar:
http://www.tulsanow.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9493&SearchTerms=obama
McCain follows the rules when Obama does not: (public financing):
http://www.tulsanow.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9698&SearchTerms=obama
I think I know why you support Obama. You, like him, lack the fortitude to stick to your convictions.
On second thought RM. The last part of my previous was a bit over the top and I apologize for the swipe (only).
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Originally posted by guido911
On second thought RM. The last part of my previous was a bit over the top and I apologize for the swipe (only).
Not really surprising though...
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by guido911
On second thought RM. The last part of my previous was a bit over the top and I apologize for the swipe (only).
Not really surprising though...
Who asked you anything. I think RM is one of the more reasonable adversaries I have on this forum, which is why I thought my swipe at him was unnecessary. You, on the other hand, are simply a lefty bomb thrower with BDS.
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Originally posted by guido911
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by guido911
On second thought RM. The last part of my previous was a bit over the top and I apologize for the swipe (only).
Not really surprising though...
Who asked you anything. I think RM is one of the more reasonable adversaries I have on this forum, which is why I thought my swipe at him was unnecessary. You, on the other hand, are simply a lefty bomb thrower with BDS.
Which is why you post your real name in your profile...
Hey, looky!
(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/League_of_Cantankerous_Misanthropes/InternetToughGuy.jpg)
And just the fact that you threw 'BDS' out there begs me to ask the question: do you want that Kool-Aid in grape or cherry?
Thank you guido for the compliment. Thank you Hoss for trying to defend me.
I do change my mind often. I believe it is possible to learn new information and change while still having core values.
An example for me is capital punishment. I was opposed to it as a young man. I just believed it was against God's will for government to kill.
Then came the Murrah building bombing by Tomothy McVeigh. I was furious that he killed innocent people including a children in a day care for federal employees just doing their job. The event shook me. I had friends who were in that building and I had been in it just a few weeks before. I couldn't imagine how a human being could do that. He became less than a human being to me. I wanted him killed.
I had changed and I changed my attitude. I needed to.
My core value is that I don't my government killing it's prisoners. But I was open-minded enough to know that they needed to this time.
Whatever "Hoss". You are boring me.
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Originally posted by Nik
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Originally posted by tulsacyclist
Yeah I'm trying to figure out why this even matters?
The only reason it matters is because the guy recently said the economy is fundamentally strong. Its easy to perceive the economy as strong when you have 7-10 houses. All the while trying to label Obama as an elitist and out-of-touch.
Despite the fact that democrats are trying to convince Americans that we're practically living in Rwanda, all economic indicators out for the last several months fail to back up these claims. Even with high gas prices and rising food prices, our economy continues to grow.
http://voanews.com/english/2008-08-29-voa6.cfm
The dollar has been making headway against the euro and the pound and unemployment is lower than the average of the last 40 years.
Maybe the democrats are talking about the UK?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/aug/30/economy.alistairdarling
Why am I losing money in the stock market if the economy is so strong? The Dow was over 14,000 last September...now it is 11,500.
The national average price of gasoline was $2.75 a gallon a year ago...now it is $3.75.
The U.S. unemployment rate last year at this time was $4.6%...today it is 5.7%.
I am sorry iplaw...there is no way you can say economic indicators say the economy continues to grow.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Why am I losing money in the stock market if the economy is so strong? The Dow was over 14,000 last September...now it is 11,500.
The national average price of gasoline was $2.75 a gallon a year ago...now it is $3.75.
The U.S. unemployment rate last year at this time was $4.6%...today it is 5.7%.
I am sorry iplaw...there is no way you can say economic indicators say the economy continues to grow.
Did you actually read my post or the article I linked to?
Here is what it says:
The Commerce Department says U.S. economic growth in the April to June quarter showed a robust 3.3 percent annual rate of advance in gross domestic product.Unemployment is lower than the average of the last 40 years. 5.7% is still damned good.
Oil is high, but despite that our economy is strong and growing.
Things are not nearly as bad as your party is making out to be.
As far as your stocks, may I suggest you talk with my CFP, I'm doing well right now...
For this I will have to use Chris's dead horse. . .
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/maniacdrums/beating-a-dead-horse.gif)
Bla bla bla who cares. I can't hate successful people or their successful wives, or their successful families.
Envy is an ugly emotion.
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Originally posted by Gaspar
For this I will have to use Chris's dead horse. . .
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/maniacdrums/beating-a-dead-horse.gif)
Bla bla bla who cares. I can't hate successful people or their successful wives, or their successful families.
Envy is an ugly emotion.
Well said.
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Originally posted by Gaspar
For this I will have to use Chris's dead horse. . .
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/maniacdrums/beating-a-dead-horse.gif)
Bla bla bla who cares. I can't hate successful people or their successful wives, or their successful families.
Envy is an ugly emotion.
I don't think it has anything to do with 'hating' or 'liking' the rich or better-off.
It has to do with the rich or better-off's perceived disconnect from the common-person when said rich or better-off person hasn't had to toil and sweat like most of us have to live our meager lives.
I'm all for people bettering themselves through wealth. What I'm not for is for those people to automatically think it gives them reason to consider themselves smarter or wiser or somehow more entitled than you or I.
Someone should tell that to Ted Kennedy and Jay Rockefeller...
You are correct. The commerce department says the second quarter GDP was up 3.3% comparing second quarter to first quarter.
How about when the fourth quarter last year showed a negative .2% GDP and first quarter showed a 1.4% decline? The economy was so poor the last six months that it had nowhere to go but up.
By the way, the boost this quarter was helped by a 3.9% increase in government spending.
I am not saying the economy is terribly bad, but finding one factor saying the second quarter is up and declaring the economy is great just doesn't jive.
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Originally posted by iplaw
Someone should tell that to Ted Kennedy and Jay Rockefeller...
And for that reason I don't like either of them. Never liked Teddy and never really cared to follow Jay.