UPDATED 8/26/08
It's almost time to open, the building is ready, the fence is down and here is the schedule for the rest of the year. (There are threads for individual events but here is a complete list.) It looks like so far that the BOK Center will be occupied 1 out of every 3 days.
Ribbon Cutting & Community Open House - Aug 30, 2008
Multifaith Celebration - Aug 31, 2008
Eagles - Sep 6, 2008
Kenny Chesney with LeAnn Rimes - Sep 10, 2008
American Idol: Idols Live! - Sep 13, 2008
Get Motivated - Sep 22, 2008
Rascal Flatts with Taylor Swift - Sep 25, 2008
Jeff Dunham - Oct 3, 2008
2008 Tour of Gymnastics Superstars - Oct 9, 2008
Houston Rockets vs. Oklahoma City - Oct 13, 2008
So You Think You Can Dance Tour 2008 - Oct 14, 2008
Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey OVER THE TOP Circus - Oct 17, 2008
Neil Diamond - Oct 21, 2008
Tulsa Oilers VS Oklahoma City - Oct 25, 2008
Carrie Underwood - Oct 29, 2008
Tulsa Oilers vs Bossier-Shreveport - Oct 31, 2008
Tulsa Oilers vs Wichita - Nov 1, 2008
Tulsa Oilers vs Amarillo - Nov 8, 2008
Eagles - Nov 11, 2008
Celine Dion - Nov 13, 2008
Metallica - Nov 18, 2008
Celtic Thunder - Nov 19, 2008
Tulsa Oilers vs Mississippi - Nov 21, 2008
NINE INCH NAILS - Nov 22, 2008
Tulsa Oilers vs Wichita - Nov 23, 2008
Tulsa Oilers vs Wichita - Nov 28, 2008
Tulsa Oilers vs Odessa - Nov 29, 2008
Casting Crowns Christmas Celebration - Nov 30, 2008
Tulsa Oilers vs Texas - Dec 2, 2008
Tulsa Oilers vs OKC - Dec 6, 2008
TU vs OU - Dec 7, 2008
Cirque du Soleil's Saltimbanco - Dec 10-14, 2008
Tulsa Oilers vs Bossier-Shreveport - Dec 20, 2008
Radio City Christmas Spectacular - Dec 22-24, 2008
Tulsa Oilers vs Wichita - Dec 26, 2008
Tulsa Oilers vs Mississippi - Dec 27, 2008
Trans-Siberian Orchestra - Dec 29, 2008
Tulsa Oilers vs Bossier-Shreveport - Dec 30, 2008
Harlem Globetrotters - Jan 3, 2009
Tulsa Oilers vs Texas - Jan 6, 2009
Tulsa Oilers vs Laredo - Jan 16, 2009
Tulsa Oilers vs Arizona - Jan 17, 2009
Tulsa Oilers vs Rio Grande Valley - Jan 20, 2009
Tulsa Oilers vs Bossier-Shreveport - Jan 22, 2009
Tulsa Oilers vs Oklahoma City - Jan 23, 2009
Tulsa Oilers vs Colorado - Feb 03, 2009
Tulsa Oilers vs Wichita - Feb 10, 2009
Tulsa Oilers vs Rapid City - Feb 20, 2009
Tulsa Oilers vs Rapid City - Feb 21, 2009
Tulsa Oilers vs Colorado - Feb 24, 2009
Tulsa Oilers vs Rocky Mountain - Feb 27, 2009
Tulsa Oilers vs New Mexico - Feb 28, 2009
The World-Famous Lipizzaner Stallions - Mar 1, 2009
Tulsa Oilers vs Oklahoma City - Mar 03, 2009
Tulsa Oilers vs Mississippi - Mar 06, 2009
Tulsa Oilers vs Wichita - Mar 07, 2009
Tulsa Oilers vs Oklahoma City - Mar 10, 2009
Tulsa Oilers vs Mississippi - Mar 18, 2009
Joyce Meyer - May 14, 2009
Am I to be happier that it will probably cost more to take the family to the Globetrotters now.
I can't imagine getting the same price as we did at the Mabee Center
Somehow I doubt you'd be happy if the tickets were free.
Anyway, on topic: Other than basketball games, the Ford Center has 10 events planned during the same time period as the list above.
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle
It's almost time to open, the building is ready, the fence is down and here is the schedule for the rest of the year. (There are threads for individual events but here is a complete list.) It looks like so far that the BOK Center will be occupied 1 out of every 3 days.
Ribbon Cutting & Community Open House - Aug 30, 2008
Multifaith Celebration - Aug 31, 2008
Eagles - Sep 6, 2008
Kenny Chesney with LeAnn Rimes - Sep 10, 2008
American Idol: Idols Live! - Sep 13, 2008
Get Motivated - Sep 22, 2008
Rascal Flatts with Taylor Swift - Sep 25, 2008
Jeff Dunham - Oct 3, 2008
2008 Tour of Gymnastics Superstars - Oct 9, 2008
Houston Rockets vs. Oklahoma City - Oct 13, 2008
So You Think You Can Dance Tour 2008 - Oct 14, 2008
Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey OVER THE TOP Circus - Oct 17, 2008
Neil Diamond - Oct 21, 2008
Tulsa Oilers VS Oklahoma City - Oct 25, 2008
Carrie Underwood - Oct 29, 2008
Celine Dion - Nov 13, 2008
Metallica - Nov 18, 2008
Celtic Thunder - Nov 19, 2008
NINE INCH NAILS - Nov 22, 2008
Casting Crowns Christmas Celebration - Nov 30, 2008
TU vs OU - Dec 7, 2008
Cirque du Soleil's Saltimbanco - Dec 10-14, 2008
Radio City Christmas Spectacular - Dec 22-24, 2008
Trans-Siberian Orchestra - Dec 29, 2008
Harlem Globetrotters - Jan 3, 2009
The World-Famous Lipizzaner Stallions - Mar 1, 2009
Joyce Meyer - May 14, 2009
Don't forget all the other Oiler dates this year and into next.....
Visitor DATE
Bossier-Shreveport Fri, Oct 31
Wichita Sat, Nov 01
Amarillo Sat, Nov 08
Mississippi Fri, Nov 21
Wichita Sun, Nov 23
Wichita Fri, Nov 28
Odessa Sat, Nov 29
Texas Tue, Dec 02
Oklahoma City Sat, Dec 06
Bossier-Shreveport Sat, Dec 20
Wichita Fri, Dec 26
Mississippi Sat, Dec 27
Bossier-Shreveport Tue, Dec 30
Texas Tue, Jan 06
Laredo Fri, Jan 16
Arizona Sat, Jan 17
Rio Grande Valley Tue, Jan 20
Bossier-Shreveport Thu, Jan 22
Oklahoma City Fri, Jan 23
Colorado Tue, Feb 03
Wichita Tue, Feb 10
Rapid City Fri, Feb 20
Rapid City Sat, Feb 21
Colorado Tue, Feb 24
Rocky Mountain Fri, Feb 27
New Mexico Sat, Feb 28
Oklahoma City Tue, Mar 03
Mississippi Fri, Mar 06
Wichita Sat, Mar 07
Oklahoma City Tue, Mar 10
Mississippi Wed, Mar 18
My interpretive dance team is still working to find an open date. We added a bagpipe number and have spent the summer experimenting with a gold medalist pantomine artist.
Look for a Christmas themed show sometime in January.
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle
Somehow I doubt you'd be happy if the tickets were free.
Anyway, on topic: Other than basketball games, the Ford Center has 10 events planned during the same time period as the list above.
You need to count again. Not that the comparison is at all meaningful anyway. We know they have made a big push for events in this opening season and we will not likely have that many in similar periods in the future.
quote:
Originally posted by Oil Capital
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle
Somehow I doubt you'd be happy if the tickets were free.
Anyway, on topic: Other than basketball games, the Ford Center has 10 events planned during the same time period as the list above.
You need to count again. Not that the comparison is at all meaningful anyway. We know they have made a big push for events in this opening season and we will not likely have that many in similar periods in the future.
I recounted, now what?
1. American Idol: Idols Live! - Aug 28th
2. Disney Live! Winnie the Pooh - Sept 7th
3. Santana - Sept 16th
4. Music Builds Tour- Oct 5th
5. Neil Diamond - Oct 19th
6. Women of Faith - Nov 14th-15th
7. Coldplay - Nov 16th
8. Saltimbanco - Dec 3-7th
9. All College Basketball Classic - Dec 20th
10. Radio City Christmas - Dec 16-18th
quote:
Originally posted by Hoss
Don't forget all the other Oiler dates this year and into next.....
Visitor DATE
Bossier-Shreveport Fri, Oct 31
Wichita Sat, Nov 01
Amarillo Sat, Nov 08
Mississippi Fri, Nov 21
Wichita Sun, Nov 23
Wichita Fri, Nov 28
Odessa Sat, Nov 29
Texas Tue, Dec 02
Oklahoma City Sat, Dec 06
Bossier-Shreveport Sat, Dec 20
Wichita Fri, Dec 26
Mississippi Sat, Dec 27
Bossier-Shreveport Tue, Dec 30
Texas Tue, Jan 06
Laredo Fri, Jan 16
Arizona Sat, Jan 17
Rio Grande Valley Tue, Jan 20
Bossier-Shreveport Thu, Jan 22
Oklahoma City Fri, Jan 23
Colorado Tue, Feb 03
Wichita Tue, Feb 10
Rapid City Fri, Feb 20
Rapid City Sat, Feb 21
Colorado Tue, Feb 24
Rocky Mountain Fri, Feb 27
New Mexico Sat, Feb 28
Oklahoma City Tue, Mar 03
Mississippi Fri, Mar 06
Wichita Sat, Mar 07
Oklahoma City Tue, Mar 10
Mississippi Wed, Mar 18
That is 13 more.. than pushes it closer to 1 out of every 2 days.
Wow, so there will have been elephant dung in the building when it is less than 60 days old...
quote:
Don't forget all the other Oiler dates this year and into next.....
Visitor DATE
Bossier-Shreveport Fri, Oct 31
Wichita Sat, Nov 01
Amarillo Sat, Nov 08
Mississippi Fri, Nov 21
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Who will be the first to throw fresh squid on the ice?
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle
Somehow I doubt you'd be happy if the tickets were free.
Anyway, on topic: Other than basketball games, the Ford Center has 10 events planned during the same time period as the list above.
[:D]
Anyway, more than a third of the events are events we would have without the expense of the BOK Center.
quote:
Originally posted by MDepr2007
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle
Somehow I doubt you'd be happy if the tickets were free.
Anyway, on topic: Other than basketball games, the Ford Center has 10 events planned during the same time period as the list above.
[:D]
Anyway, more than a third of the events are events we would have without the expense of the BOK Center.
conversely, two-thirds are events we WOULDN'T have had without it...
quote:
Originally posted by Hoss
quote:
Originally posted by MDepr2007
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle
Somehow I doubt you'd be happy if the tickets were free.
Anyway, on topic: Other than basketball games, the Ford Center has 10 events planned during the same time period as the list above.
[:D]
Anyway, more than a third of the events are events we would have without the expense of the BOK Center.
conversely, two-thirds are events we WOULDN'T have had without it...
Ok I got it backwards dang it. I should stop trying to type and work at the same time....
Hoss you forgot the home opener:
10/25 vs. OKLAHOMA CITY 7:35 p.m.
quote:
Originally posted by bmuscotty
Hoss you forgot the home opener:
10/25 vs. OKLAHOMA CITY 7:35 p.m.
Scott included that one in his original list. I added all the others. No need to duplicate. [:D]
I updated the schedule up top.
The gymnastics tour and dance tour I don't think will do real well.
Shawn and Nastia (wow, what a first name...) did good at the olympics, but I don't think they will be as big a draw as "The Magnificent Seven" were when they toured after Atlanta.
"So You Think You Can Dance?"
Another over-hyped and copied reality game show, yawn.
quote:
Originally posted by RecycleMichael
My interpretive dance team is still working to find an open date. We added a bagpipe number and have spent the summer experimenting with a gold medalist pantomine artist.
Look for a Christmas themed show sometime in January.
I'm thinking of renting the BOK Arena for my many TulsaNow fans and admirers to come view Friendly Bear.
Billing it as:
A Night in the Bear Pit.
They can then throw baseballs (3 baseballs for only $250.00) while I run around onstage with a hand mike, egging on the crowd.
Tickets will start at only $267 each for the cheap seats. Bottled Oxygen is extra.
Expecting a sell-out house?
[;)]
quote:
Originally posted by Hoss
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle
It's almost time to open, the building is ready, the fence is down and here is the schedule for the rest of the year. (There are threads for individual events but here is a complete list.) It looks like so far that the BOK Center will be occupied 1 out of every 3 days.
Ribbon Cutting & Community Open House - Aug 30, 2008
Multifaith Celebration - Aug 31, 2008
Eagles - Sep 6, 2008
Kenny Chesney with LeAnn Rimes - Sep 10, 2008
American Idol: Idols Live! - Sep 13, 2008
Get Motivated - Sep 22, 2008
Rascal Flatts with Taylor Swift - Sep 25, 2008
Jeff Dunham - Oct 3, 2008
2008 Tour of Gymnastics Superstars - Oct 9, 2008
Houston Rockets vs. Oklahoma City - Oct 13, 2008
So You Think You Can Dance Tour 2008 - Oct 14, 2008
Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey OVER THE TOP Circus - Oct 17, 2008
Neil Diamond - Oct 21, 2008
Tulsa Oilers VS Oklahoma City - Oct 25, 2008
Carrie Underwood - Oct 29, 2008
Celine Dion - Nov 13, 2008
Metallica - Nov 18, 2008
Celtic Thunder - Nov 19, 2008
NINE INCH NAILS - Nov 22, 2008
Casting Crowns Christmas Celebration - Nov 30, 2008
TU vs OU - Dec 7, 2008
Cirque du Soleil's Saltimbanco - Dec 10-14, 2008
Radio City Christmas Spectacular - Dec 22-24, 2008
Trans-Siberian Orchestra - Dec 29, 2008
Harlem Globetrotters - Jan 3, 2009
The World-Famous Lipizzaner Stallions - Mar 1, 2009
Joyce Meyer - May 14, 2009
Don't forget all the other Oiler dates this year and into next.....
Visitor DATE
Bossier-Shreveport Fri, Oct 31
Wichita Sat, Nov 01
Amarillo Sat, Nov 08
Mississippi Fri, Nov 21
Wichita Sun, Nov 23
Wichita Fri, Nov 28
Odessa Sat, Nov 29
Texas Tue, Dec 02
Oklahoma City Sat, Dec 06
Bossier-Shreveport Sat, Dec 20
Wichita Fri, Dec 26
Mississippi Sat, Dec 27
Bossier-Shreveport Tue, Dec 30
Texas Tue, Jan 06
Laredo Fri, Jan 16
Arizona Sat, Jan 17
Rio Grande Valley Tue, Jan 20
Bossier-Shreveport Thu, Jan 22
Oklahoma City Fri, Jan 23
Colorado Tue, Feb 03
Wichita Tue, Feb 10
Rapid City Fri, Feb 20
Rapid City Sat, Feb 21
Colorado Tue, Feb 24
Rocky Mountain Fri, Feb 27
New Mexico Sat, Feb 28
Oklahoma City Tue, Mar 03
Mississippi Fri, Mar 06
Wichita Sat, Mar 07
Oklahoma City Tue, Mar 10
Mississippi Wed, Mar 18
Is it true that the Ice rink floor of the Arena is kept frozen 24 hours per day x 365 days per year?
God, I'm glad I'm not paying the electric bill....
Note to Self: We ARE paying the electric bill!
[:O]
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
quote:
Originally posted by Hoss
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle
It's almost time to open, the building is ready, the fence is down and here is the schedule for the rest of the year. (There are threads for individual events but here is a complete list.) It looks like so far that the BOK Center will be occupied 1 out of every 3 days.
Ribbon Cutting & Community Open House - Aug 30, 2008
Multifaith Celebration - Aug 31, 2008
Eagles - Sep 6, 2008
Kenny Chesney with LeAnn Rimes - Sep 10, 2008
American Idol: Idols Live! - Sep 13, 2008
Get Motivated - Sep 22, 2008
Rascal Flatts with Taylor Swift - Sep 25, 2008
Jeff Dunham - Oct 3, 2008
2008 Tour of Gymnastics Superstars - Oct 9, 2008
Houston Rockets vs. Oklahoma City - Oct 13, 2008
So You Think You Can Dance Tour 2008 - Oct 14, 2008
Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey OVER THE TOP Circus - Oct 17, 2008
Neil Diamond - Oct 21, 2008
Tulsa Oilers VS Oklahoma City - Oct 25, 2008
Carrie Underwood - Oct 29, 2008
Celine Dion - Nov 13, 2008
Metallica - Nov 18, 2008
Celtic Thunder - Nov 19, 2008
NINE INCH NAILS - Nov 22, 2008
Casting Crowns Christmas Celebration - Nov 30, 2008
TU vs OU - Dec 7, 2008
Cirque du Soleil's Saltimbanco - Dec 10-14, 2008
Radio City Christmas Spectacular - Dec 22-24, 2008
Trans-Siberian Orchestra - Dec 29, 2008
Harlem Globetrotters - Jan 3, 2009
The World-Famous Lipizzaner Stallions - Mar 1, 2009
Joyce Meyer - May 14, 2009
Don't forget all the other Oiler dates this year and into next.....
Visitor DATE
Bossier-Shreveport Fri, Oct 31
Wichita Sat, Nov 01
Amarillo Sat, Nov 08
Mississippi Fri, Nov 21
Wichita Sun, Nov 23
Wichita Fri, Nov 28
Odessa Sat, Nov 29
Texas Tue, Dec 02
Oklahoma City Sat, Dec 06
Bossier-Shreveport Sat, Dec 20
Wichita Fri, Dec 26
Mississippi Sat, Dec 27
Bossier-Shreveport Tue, Dec 30
Texas Tue, Jan 06
Laredo Fri, Jan 16
Arizona Sat, Jan 17
Rio Grande Valley Tue, Jan 20
Bossier-Shreveport Thu, Jan 22
Oklahoma City Fri, Jan 23
Colorado Tue, Feb 03
Wichita Tue, Feb 10
Rapid City Fri, Feb 20
Rapid City Sat, Feb 21
Colorado Tue, Feb 24
Rocky Mountain Fri, Feb 27
New Mexico Sat, Feb 28
Oklahoma City Tue, Mar 03
Mississippi Fri, Mar 06
Wichita Sat, Mar 07
Oklahoma City Tue, Mar 10
Mississippi Wed, Mar 18
Is it true that the Ice rink floor of the Arena is kept frozen 24 hours per day x 365 days per year?
God, I'm glad I'm not paying the electric bill....
Note to Self: We ARE paying the electric bill!
[:O]
Or, you could have quite simply linked to this same argument you made 6 months ago!
http://www.tulsanow.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8878
Please, get new material.
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71
The gymnastics tour and dance tour I don't think will do real well.
Shawn and Nastia (wow, what a first name...) did good at the olympics, but I don't think they will be as big a draw as "The Magnificent Seven" were when they toured after Atlanta.
"So You Think You Can Dance?"
Another over-hyped and copied reality game show, yawn.
SYTYCD hasn't been promoted and is almost sold out.
quote:
Originally posted by Hoss
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
quote:
Originally posted by Hoss
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle
It's almost time to open, the building is ready, the fence is down and here is the schedule for the rest of the year. (There are threads for individual events but here is a complete list.) It looks like so far that the BOK Center will be occupied 1 out of every 3 days.
Ribbon Cutting & Community Open House - Aug 30, 2008
Multifaith Celebration - Aug 31, 2008
Eagles - Sep 6, 2008
Kenny Chesney with LeAnn Rimes - Sep 10, 2008
American Idol: Idols Live! - Sep 13, 2008
Get Motivated - Sep 22, 2008
Rascal Flatts with Taylor Swift - Sep 25, 2008
Jeff Dunham - Oct 3, 2008
2008 Tour of Gymnastics Superstars - Oct 9, 2008
Houston Rockets vs. Oklahoma City - Oct 13, 2008
So You Think You Can Dance Tour 2008 - Oct 14, 2008
Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey OVER THE TOP Circus - Oct 17, 2008
Neil Diamond - Oct 21, 2008
Tulsa Oilers VS Oklahoma City - Oct 25, 2008
Carrie Underwood - Oct 29, 2008
Celine Dion - Nov 13, 2008
Metallica - Nov 18, 2008
Celtic Thunder - Nov 19, 2008
NINE INCH NAILS - Nov 22, 2008
Casting Crowns Christmas Celebration - Nov 30, 2008
TU vs OU - Dec 7, 2008
Cirque du Soleil's Saltimbanco - Dec 10-14, 2008
Radio City Christmas Spectacular - Dec 22-24, 2008
Trans-Siberian Orchestra - Dec 29, 2008
Harlem Globetrotters - Jan 3, 2009
The World-Famous Lipizzaner Stallions - Mar 1, 2009
Joyce Meyer - May 14, 2009
Don't forget all the other Oiler dates this year and into next.....
Visitor DATE
Bossier-Shreveport Fri, Oct 31
Wichita Sat, Nov 01
Amarillo Sat, Nov 08
Mississippi Fri, Nov 21
Wichita Sun, Nov 23
Wichita Fri, Nov 28
Odessa Sat, Nov 29
Texas Tue, Dec 02
Oklahoma City Sat, Dec 06
Bossier-Shreveport Sat, Dec 20
Wichita Fri, Dec 26
Mississippi Sat, Dec 27
Bossier-Shreveport Tue, Dec 30
Texas Tue, Jan 06
Laredo Fri, Jan 16
Arizona Sat, Jan 17
Rio Grande Valley Tue, Jan 20
Bossier-Shreveport Thu, Jan 22
Oklahoma City Fri, Jan 23
Colorado Tue, Feb 03
Wichita Tue, Feb 10
Rapid City Fri, Feb 20
Rapid City Sat, Feb 21
Colorado Tue, Feb 24
Rocky Mountain Fri, Feb 27
New Mexico Sat, Feb 28
Oklahoma City Tue, Mar 03
Mississippi Fri, Mar 06
Wichita Sat, Mar 07
Oklahoma City Tue, Mar 10
Mississippi Wed, Mar 18
Is it true that the Ice rink floor of the Arena is kept frozen 24 hours per day x 365 days per year?
God, I'm glad I'm not paying the electric bill....
Note to Self: We ARE paying the electric bill!
[:O]
Or, you could have quite simply linked to this same argument you made 6 months ago!
http://www.tulsanow.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8878
Please, get new material.
GREAT link! Thanks!!
Let's savor those Arena estimated operating costs again, shall we?
Cannon Fodder helpfully provided a city energy study. It estimated that:
Annual cooling of the new Arena will run: $925,000.
and,
Annual heating of the new Arena will run: $410,000.
These are NEW costs in the city operating budget.
Estimated BEFORE the latest round of electricity and natural gas price hikes.
BEFORE SMG's fee.
Before cleaning, maintenance, and security.
Uh, and those are ONLY Trigen contract costs.
The electricity from AEP, to light up that Iconic facade, that big, big scoreboard and that cold, cold ice rink, are extra.
No estimate, YET.......?
AFTER the Grand Opening perhaps?
You can bet that Mayor Taylor will demand that EVERY light be left burning 24 x 7 so that astronauts can locate our Iconic Arena from space with the naked eye.
And, keep AEP VERRRRRRRRY, VERRRRRRY happy....purring like Mayor Kitty's kitty.
Meow.
[:O]
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
You can bet that Mayor Taylor will demand that EVERY light be left burning 24 x 7 so that astronauts can locate our Iconic Arena from space with the naked eye.
And, keep AEP VERRRRRRRRY, VERRRRRRY happy....purring like Mayor Kitty's kitty.
Keeps me happy too. I'd rather it be lit up and visible, than be dark and unseen. After all, the voters should get to see what they voted for, right?
Of course, some are still stuck almost half-a-decade back in time.
quote:
Originally posted by TURobY
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
You can bet that Mayor Taylor will demand that EVERY light be left burning 24 x 7 so that astronauts can locate our Iconic Arena from space with the naked eye.
And, keep AEP VERRRRRRRRY, VERRRRRRY happy....purring like Mayor Kitty's kitty.
Keeps me happy too. I'd rather it be lit up and visible, than be dark and unseen. After all, the voters should get to see what they voted for, right?
Of course, some are still stuck almost half-a-decade back in time.
Those thoughts exactly wash over me whenever I drive by.
Well, actually I think about my tax dollars - AT WASTE.
And, the fleeting thought that in just 8 1/2 more years, the temporary Vision 2025 Sales Tax will finally have the Arena paid for:
January 1, 2017.
Red Letter Day.
Expect by then a new Sales Tax initiative to "re-model" the "outdated" BOK Arena.
OKC is spending $100 million to remodel a five year old $90 million arena.
For the Basketball team.
I've heard Trigen is providing the majority of the energy needs. AEP's bill is substantially lower.
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
January 1, 2017.
Red Letter Day.
Expect by then a new Sales Tax initiative to "re-model" the "outdated" BOK Arena.
OKC is spending $100 million to remodel a five year old $90 million arena.
For the Basketball team.
OKC is spending $100M to upgrade facilities that were lacking when it was built. Tulsa put them in the first time. They are spending a big chunk of money on... get this.. a big glass wall over the entrance.
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Those thoughts exactly wash over me whenever I drive by.
Well, actually I think about my tax dollars - AT WASTE.
You had your chance to make you opinions known. You failed in the democratic process, and so now you have two choices. Move out of the county or deal with it. Your whining serves no purpose any longer, as the vote has already been presented, passed, and built. You are a few years too late...
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle
I've heard Trigen is providing the majority of the energy needs. AEP's bill is substantially lower.
Probably should be less, with the heat and cooling coming from the central Trigen heating/cooling plant downtown.
Any estimates of what AEP's annualized electric bill will run for the BOK Arena?
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
January 1, 2017.
Red Letter Day.
Expect by then a new Sales Tax initiative to "re-model" the "outdated" BOK Arena.
OKC is spending $100 million to remodel a five year old $90 million arena.
For the Basketball team.
OKC is spending $100M to upgrade facilities that were lacking when it was built. Tulsa put them in the first time. They are spending a big chunk of money on... get this.. a big glass wall over the entrance.
Well, if the $90 million spent on the Ford Center really made it only a dump, former Beatle Paul McCartney still thought it a worthwhile venue, right?
quote:
Originally posted by TURobY
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Those thoughts exactly wash over me whenever I drive by.
Well, actually I think about my tax dollars - AT WASTE.
You had your chance to make you opinions known. You failed in the democratic process, and so now you have two choices. Move out of the county or deal with it. Your whining serves no purpose any longer, as the vote has already been presented, passed, and built. You are a few years too late...
Democratic Process?
Interesting concept. I don't think it functions very well in a Banana Republic.
Since there are no campaign donation LIMITS on non-partisan elections, like sales tax and bond tax elections, the Vote YES Tax Vampires can spend any amount of money to push through a new or renewed tax.
NO LIMIT.
NONE.
Rather an unequal contest, when the Vote Yes organization can raise and spend over $1,000,000 to sell Vision 2025, wouldn't you say?
Contributions coincidentally came from the very entities that benefit from the increased tax spending, like Manhattan, Flint, BOK, F&M Bank, (Lortons), AEP and ONG.
Remember?
The Vote No organization raised and spent a mere pittance by comparison.
Ain't democracy just great in the Banana Republic of Tulsa?
[:O]
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Since there are no campaign donation LIMITS on non-partisan elections, like sales tax and bond tax issues, the Vote YES Tax Vampires can spend any amount of money to push through a new or renewed tax.
NO LIMIT.
Rather an unequal contest when the Vote Yes organization can raise and spend over $1,000,000 to sell Vision 2025.
Contributions coincidentally came from the very entities that benefit from the spending, like Manhattan, Flint and AEP.
The Vote No organization raised and spent a mere pittance by comparison.
Ain't democracy great in the Banana Republic of Tulsa?
It sounds like you would be better served to spend your time campaigning for limiting campaign donation limits on non-partisan elections, if that's a cause you truly believe in. But whining about a five-year-old vote serves nobody's interests.
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
quote:
Originally posted by TURobY
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Those thoughts exactly wash over me whenever I drive by.
Well, actually I think about my tax dollars - AT WASTE.
You had your chance to make you opinions known. You failed in the democratic process, and so now you have two choices. Move out of the county or deal with it. Your whining serves no purpose any longer, as the vote has already been presented, passed, and built. You are a few years too late...
Democratic Process?
Interesting concept. I don't think it functions very well in a Banana Republic.
Since there are no campaign donation LIMITS on non-partisan elections, like sales tax and bond tax elections, the Vote YES Tax Vampires can spend any amount of money to push through a new or renewed tax.
NO LIMIT.
NONE.
Rather an unequal contest, when the Vote Yes organization can raise and spend over $1,000,000 to sell Vision 2025, wouldn't you say?
Contributions coincidentally came from the very entities that benefit from the increased tax spending, like Manhattan, Flint, BOK, F&M Bank, (Lortons), AEP and ONG.
Remember?
The Vote No organization raised and spent a mere pittance by comparison.
Ain't democracy just great in the Banana Republic of Tulsa?
[:O]
Guess what that means? That means that the Vote Yes campaign for V2025 was better organized and better funded. The Vote No camp wasn't.
The vote was in Nov 2003...let it go man! Let it go!!
[:O]
quote:
Originally posted by TURobY
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Since there are no campaign donation LIMITS on non-partisan elections, like sales tax and bond tax issues, the Vote YES Tax Vampires can spend any amount of money to push through a new or renewed tax.
NO LIMIT.
Rather an unequal contest when the Vote Yes organization can raise and spend over $1,000,000 to sell Vision 2025.
Contributions coincidentally came from the very entities that benefit from the spending, like Manhattan, Flint and AEP.
The Vote No organization raised and spent a mere pittance by comparison.
Ain't democracy great in the Banana Republic of Tulsa?
It sounds like you would be better served to spend your time campaigning for limiting campaign donation limits on non-partisan elections, if that's a cause you truly believe in. But whining about a five-year-old vote serves nobody's interests.
Now that would be simply futile.
The local ruling power Oligarchy like things JUST THE WAY THEY ARE.
They won't stand by and let their power to build on their Third Fortunes be limited.
Imagine what a great swindle they have going now:
$2 million in city Lodging Tax gets funneled to the MetroTulsaChamberPots. In lieu of contributions from the members.
The MetroTulsaChamberPots in turn is their mouthpiece for promoting new taxes and renewal of existing sales and property taxes.
When the new or renewed taxes get passed, with the help of UNLIMITED campaign contributions from Manhattan, Flint, AEP, ONG, BOK, F&M, Cox Cable, MATRIX, World Publishing Co., etc. then those tax dollars are re-cycled back to these self-same entities that promoted the taxes to begin with.
Through NO BID and Sole-Sourced juicy contracts.
Ain't democracy great in the Banana Republic of Tulsa?
[:O]
FB,
The same constituency which voted FOR V-2025 shot down the river plan which allegedly had a $1mm ad budget vs, I believe, $15K or so for the no side.
You are sounding neurotic again. When were you thinking about having the softball throw? I think you've been beaned one too many times as it is.
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Those thoughts exactly wash over me whenever I drive by.
Well, actually I think about my tax dollars - AT WASTE.
You had your chance to make you opinions known. You failed in the democratic process, and so now you have two choices. Move out of the county or deal with it. Your whining serves no purpose any longer, as the vote has already been presented, passed, and built. You are a few years too late...
Democratic Process?
Interesting concept. I don't think it functions very well in a Banana Republic.
Since there are no campaign donation LIMITS on non-partisan elections, like sales tax and bond tax elections, the Vote YES Tax Vampires can spend any amount of money to push through a new or renewed tax.
NO LIMIT.
NONE.
Rather an unequal contest, when the Vote Yes organization can raise and spend over $1,000,000 to sell Vision 2025, wouldn't you say?
Contributions coincidentally came from the very entities that benefit from the increased tax spending, like Manhattan, Flint, BOK, F&M Bank, (Lortons), AEP and ONG.
Remember?
The Vote No organization raised and spent a mere pittance by comparison.
Ain't democracy just great in the Banana Republic of Tulsa?
[:O]
Guess what that means? That means that the Vote Yes campaign for V2025 was better organized and better funded. The Vote No camp wasn't.
The vote was in Nov 2003...let it go man! Let it go!!
[:O]
Guess what that means? That means we need former President Jimmy Carter to supervise our local elections, like he does for Third World Countries, i.e. Banana Republics.
Curiously, there are spending limits, albeit high limits of $5,000, for state and local candidates.
NO LIMITS at all what the local ruling power establishment can raise and spend to put more and more taxes on the poor and middle class.
WHY do they love Sales Taxes?
Because the burden of this most REGRESSIVE tax is shifted to the poor and middle class.
But, they really do NOT like Real Estate taxes?
Why?
Because they own a LOT of Real Estate. Lots and lots.
[:D]
You would think the always vote no crowd would be able to raise money. But I guess every time they ask someone, the answer is always no.
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Originally posted by Conan71
FB,
The same constituency which voted FOR V-2025 shot down the river plan which allegedly had a $1mm ad budget vs, I believe, $15K or so for the no side.
You are sounding neurotic again. When were you thinking about having the softball throw? I think you've been beaned one too many times as it is.
The difference in the two elections was active POLITICAL leadership.
For Vision 2025, the local ruling power establishment had EVERY elected leader lined up supporting the new Sales Tax. ALL.
It's ALL ABOUT JOBS, remember?
In the failed 2007 Kaiser River Tax, although extremely under-funded, the No River Tax opposition had some current political leadership speaking out against the new tax:
City Councilors Henderson, Turner, and Eagleton, B.A. Mayor McCaleb, and former Owasso Mayor and current State Senator Brogdin.
Remember?
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
NO LIMITS at all what the local ruling power establishment can raise and spend to put more and more taxes on the poor and middle class.
Actually, as a voter I put that tax in place. And guess what... I'm middle class.
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WHY do they love Sales Taxes?
I actually prefer sales taxes because I can adjust my spending habits if I see fit. Plus, it allows us to capture taxes from out-of-town visitors. Property taxes aren't quite as easy because it only encourages people to rent and does not allow us to gain revenue from out-of-towners.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
You would think the always vote no crowd would be able to raise money. But I guess every time they ask someone, the answer is always no.
Someday, maybe some altruistic, anti-tax financial Angel may start funding Vote NO campaigns.
Several potential patrons come to mind.....
On the other hand, under the current rigged system, when Manhattan can donate $50K to promote Vision 2025, and then share in a $200 million construction project 50/50 with Flint, wouldn't you say that's quite a handsome return on their investment?
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
NO LIMITS at all what the local ruling power establishment can raise and spend to put more and more taxes on the poor and middle class.
Actually, as a voter I put that tax in place. And guess what... I'm middle class.
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WHY do they love Sales Taxes?
I actually prefer sales taxes because I can adjust my spending habits if I see fit. Plus, it allows us to capture taxes from out-of-town visitors. Property taxes aren't quite as easy because it only encourages people to rent and does not allow us to gain revenue from out-of-towners.
Just in case you feel you're not being taxed enough, you can mail extra tax contributions to:
Tax-Me-More Foundation
c/o Mayor Kathy Taylor
City of Tulsa
One Technology Center
Shadow of BOK Building
Tulsa OK 74101
You would sure think that someone would fund a Always NO campaign. But I wonder, why not?
There has got to be a deep conspiracy somewhere against all the Always NO, right friendly bear?
Can you explain?
My guess is that people are a good judge of character and know better than to hang out with bears.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
You would sure think that someone would fund a Always NO campaign. But I wonder, why not?
There has got to be a deep conspiracy somewhere against all the Always NO, right friendly bear?
Can you explain?
My guess is that people are a good judge of character and know better than to hang out with bears.
Someone tried to start a project to stop all of these "gather people's money and spend it on a project" elections but then he realized he would have to "gather people's money and spend it on a project dedicated to stopping people from gathering money and spending it on projects."
At this point his head exploded and no-one has tried it since.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
January 1, 2017.
Red Letter Day.
Expect by then a new Sales Tax initiative to "re-model" the "outdated" BOK Arena.
OKC is spending $100 million to remodel a five year old $90 million arena.
For the Basketball team.
OKC is spending $100M to upgrade facilities that were lacking when it was built. Tulsa put them in the first time. They are spending a big chunk of money on... get this.. a big glass wall over the entrance.
sgrizzle,
You would be dead wrong. They are expanding the southeast entrance and a new southwest grand entrance to the arena, NBA-specific amenities including a locker room for the team (the Blazers will keep their own locker room), several more suites, new flooring in the concourses (I personally thought the terazzo flooring there today is a joke), a roof garden, new retail and concessions, minor extensions to the north side vestibules, concourse expansions, Fun Zone on the upper concourse, team offices above the Mezzanine, new press suites, exterior makeover and a new scoreboard.
I hardly call that a large chunk of money on a glass wall.
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Originally posted by okcpulse
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
January 1, 2017.
Red Letter Day.
Expect by then a new Sales Tax initiative to "re-model" the "outdated" BOK Arena.
OKC is spending $100 million to remodel a five year old $90 million arena.
For the Basketball team.
OKC is spending $100M to upgrade facilities that were lacking when it was built. Tulsa put them in the first time. They are spending a big chunk of money on... get this.. a big glass wall over the entrance.
sgrizzle,
You would be dead wrong. They are expanding the southeast entrance and a new southwest grand entrance to the arena, NBA-specific amenities including a locker room for the team (the Blazers will keep their own locker room), several more suites, new flooring in the concourses (I personally thought the terazzo flooring there today is a joke), a roof garden, new retail and concessions, minor extensions to the north side vestibules, concourse expansions, Fun Zone on the upper concourse, team offices above the Mezzanine, new press suites, exterior makeover and a new scoreboard.
I hardly call that a large chunk of money on a glass wall.
That's alright; it was a hole when it opened..it will remain a hole when it's upgraded. It's like polishing a bronze turd. In the end, it's still a turd.
[:D]
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by okcpulse
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
January 1, 2017.
Red Letter Day.
Expect by then a new Sales Tax initiative to "re-model" the "outdated" BOK Arena.
OKC is spending $100 million to remodel a five year old $90 million arena.
For the Basketball team.
OKC is spending $100M to upgrade facilities that were lacking when it was built. Tulsa put them in the first time. They are spending a big chunk of money on... get this.. a big glass wall over the entrance.
sgrizzle,
You would be dead wrong. They are expanding the southeast entrance and a new southwest grand entrance to the arena, NBA-specific amenities including a locker room for the team (the Blazers will keep their own locker room), several more suites, new flooring in the concourses (I personally thought the terazzo flooring there today is a joke), a roof garden, new retail and concessions, minor extensions to the north side vestibules, concourse expansions, Fun Zone on the upper concourse, team offices above the Mezzanine, new press suites, exterior makeover and a new scoreboard.
I hardly call that a large chunk of money on a glass wall.
That's alright; it was a hole when it opened..it will remain a hole when it's upgraded. It's like polishing a bronze turd. In the end, it's still a turd.
[:D]
Sucks that Tulsa was so jealous of that turd that they taxed themselves into building one with brown skid marks [}:)]
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
You can bet that Mayor Taylor will demand that EVERY light be left burning 24 x 7 so that astronauts can locate our Iconic Arena from space with the naked eye.
And, keep AEP VERRRRRRRRY, VERRRRRRY happy....purring like Mayor Kitty's kitty.
Keeps me happy too. I'd rather it be lit up and visible, than be dark and unseen. After all, the voters should get to see what they voted for, right?
Of course, some are still stuck almost half-a-decade back in time.
Those thoughts exactly wash over me whenever I drive by.
Well, actually I think about my tax dollars - AT WASTE.
And, the fleeting thought that in just 8 1/2 more years, the temporary Vision 2025 Sales Tax will finally have the Arena paid for:
January 1, 2017.
Red Letter Day.
Expect by then a new Sales Tax initiative to "re-model" the "outdated" BOK Arena.
OKC is spending $100 million to remodel a five year old $90 million arena.
For the Basketball team.
Boy, sucks to be you. I like the new arena and dont at all mind paying for it.
Yaaaaay ME! lol [:D]
As for donating more... I donate a looot of my time, aka money, and heck on occasion a good sum of money to get things done for the city and its citizens. And hope to earn more so I can donate even more time and money.
The "things" I want in life just dont exist within the 4 walls of my house. The whole city is my home, and I like nice stuff. [8D] Matter of fact, I wish we would all spend less money, and time, in our houses, and spend more time and money in our shared home and community.
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Originally posted by MDepr2007
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by okcpulse
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
January 1, 2017.
Red Letter Day.
Expect by then a new Sales Tax initiative to "re-model" the "outdated" BOK Arena.
OKC is spending $100 million to remodel a five year old $90 million arena.
For the Basketball team.
OKC is spending $100M to upgrade facilities that were lacking when it was built. Tulsa put them in the first time. They are spending a big chunk of money on... get this.. a big glass wall over the entrance.
sgrizzle,
You would be dead wrong. They are expanding the southeast entrance and a new southwest grand entrance to the arena, NBA-specific amenities including a locker room for the team (the Blazers will keep their own locker room), several more suites, new flooring in the concourses (I personally thought the terazzo flooring there today is a joke), a roof garden, new retail and concessions, minor extensions to the north side vestibules, concourse expansions, Fun Zone on the upper concourse, team offices above the Mezzanine, new press suites, exterior makeover and a new scoreboard.
I hardly call that a large chunk of money on a glass wall.
That's alright; it was a hole when it opened..it will remain a hole when it's upgraded. It's like polishing a bronze turd. In the end, it's still a turd.
[:D]
Sucks that Tulsa was so jealous of that turd that they taxed themselves into building one with brown skid marks [}:)]
You get 0 for originality, but an 8 for effort.
Now, go sit at home and do nothing. Stop enjoying life. Because that's what most of you whiners about the arena (which by the way was voted on 5 years ago) probably do.
I'm going to enjoy it.
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That's alright; it was a hole when it opened..it will remain a hole when it's upgraded. It's like polishing a bronze turd. In the end, it's still a turd.
You seem to have some strange obsession with turds. Please don't tell me you're one of those people who check their stool for fiber intake? j/k
Our arena was mediocre when built, and for certain reasons that were justifiable. We all knew a remodel was upcoming, and wanted one anyway. At least our arena was debt free, paid for in cash, and will be after the remodel is done. It will be much nicer.
You can think our arena is crap, I'm fine with that. At least we don't have an arena that resembles a roll of duct tape, or better yet, a coffee cup lid. Hey, at least the illuminated glass wall is cool.
Oh well, enjoy paying the interest on your new dig.
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Originally posted by okcpulse
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That's alright; it was a hole when it opened..it will remain a hole when it's upgraded. It's like polishing a bronze turd. In the end, it's still a turd.
You seem to have some strange obsession with turds. Please don't tell me you're one of those people who check their stool for fiber intake? j/k
Our arena was mediocre when built, and for certain reasons that were justifiable. We all knew a remodel was upcoming, and wanted one anyway. At least our arena was debt free, paid for in cash, and will be after the remodel is done. It will be much nicer.
You can think our arena is crap, I'm fine with that. At least we don't have an arena that resembles a roll of duct tape, or better yet, a coffee cup lid. Hey, at least the illuminated glass wall is cool.
Oh well, enjoy paying the interest on your new dig.
And enjoy having Clay Bennett hold your taxpayers hostage....
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
You would sure think that someone would fund a Always NO campaign. But I wonder, why not?
There has got to be a deep conspiracy somewhere against all the Always NO, right friendly bear?
Can you explain?
My guess is that people are a good judge of character and know better than to hang out with bears.
The answer can be found in simple, financial gain.
The Promoters of a new tax initiative (the REAL promoters meaning the Construction industry, downtown banks, and associated favored cronies in the legal, accounting, and engineering fields) stand to GAIN millions by "investing" INDIVIDUALLY $25K - $50K.
That is a mere pittance from what they expect to gain in return.
Look at Manhattan and BOK, for instance in Vision 2025.
Each one gave $50K or less. Manhattan ends up splitting $200 MILLION in new government spending on an Arena, and BOK was given one-half of a sole-sourced bond underwriting for the entire amount, and is also appointed bond trustee.
What money BOK made off of the Vision 2025 has never been revealed, but it is at least MILLIONS.
On the other hand, Mr. Average Tulsa County Taxpayer was looking at paying probably another $150.00 per year in increased sales taxes due to Vision 2025. So, relatively, the pain was spread across 100,000's of Tulsa County residents.
On a financial basis, there is insufficient return for an average tax payer to FINANCIALLY support any Vote NO effort that is only going to cost him an additional $120.00 per year.
Now, it is true that pain will continue for 13 years from January 1, 2004 until January 1, 2017.
So, of course the promoters have a VERY STRONG direct financial incentive to push for a new tax and new spending. They will collectively GAIN $100,000,000's for a very modest EXPENSE amounting to only thousands of dollars.
A very lucrative return on their investment, wouldn't you say??
Simple really.
Ain't democracy beautiful in the Banana Republic of Tulsa?
[:O]
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
You would sure think that someone would fund a Always NO campaign. But I wonder, why not?
There has got to be a deep conspiracy somewhere against all the Always NO, right friendly bear?
Can you explain?
My guess is that people are a good judge of character and know better than to hang out with bears.
Well, if they did a serious push for "Always vote no", some crafty officials could draft up a "Proposal to not spend $2 billion on streets and/or giant guilded llama at 29th & Columbia Pl." to which when FB votes no, he is authorizing the tax grab :D
FB "What money BOK made off of the Vision 2025 has never been revealed, but it is at least MILLIONS"
Kaiser has donated millions more to the city and charities. Plus hey, if BOK is doing so well, buy shares.
I hope to make money off Vision 2025 as well. The more attractive the Tulsa area is as a place to live, the more people "aka clients" I will have. Expanding our colleges, expands wealth, "aka wealthier clients". On top of that I now have some nice toys "aka the Arena, TASM, Jazz Hall of Fame, etc." to enjoy.
I like it...especially the giant guilded llama.
I think friendly bear is just against everything. I don't mind spending an extra ten bucks a month for a better community. Vision 2025 got us a new arena, new housing and roads downtown, new city halls and recreation centers for all the suburbs...all quality of life additions.
Ten bucks a month for a better place to live. I am for it.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I like it...especially the giant guilded llama.
I think friendly bear is just against everything. I don't mind spending an extra ten bucks a month for a better community. Vision 2025 got us a new arena, new housing and roads downtown, new city halls and recreation centers for all the suburbs...all quality of life additions.
Ten bucks a month for a better place to live. I am for it.
Well, you can probably afford the TICKETS for sale at the BOK Center events, too.
Many, many poor and struggling middle-class Tulsa families are POORER because of the Vision 2025 tax.
The additional 6/10 sales tax just adds more burden to a household budget stricken with higher prices for EVERYTHING: Groceries, gasoline, electricity, natural gas, insurance, college tuition, etc.
And, Tulsa's pressured poor and middle-class taxpayers cannot afford a $187 ticket to see The Eagles, preferring instead to continue buying food, fuel, clothes, or electricity on their over-stretched household budgets.
Enjoy the Eagles, nonetheless.
[:(!]
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Originally posted by TheArtist
FB "What money BOK made off of the Vision 2025 has never been revealed, but it is at least MILLIONS"
Kaiser has donated millions more to the city and charities. Plus hey, if BOK is doing so well, buy shares.
I hope to make money off Vision 2025 as well. The more attractive the Tulsa area is as a place to live, the more people "aka clients" I will have. Expanding our colleges, expands wealth, "aka wealthier clients". On top of that I now have some nice toys "aka the Arena, TASM, Jazz Hall of Fame, etc." to enjoy.
Like many bank stocks, Bank of Kaiser (BOK) bank stock price is now trading below their 52-week average.
Might be a BUY signal, all right.
Or, maybe a harbinger of further price declines.....
As to Kaiser Family philanthropy:
I do NOT really buy into "Conditional Philanthropy".
If it's a gift, make it a gift.
If it's not, make everything associated with the transaction Transparent and Arms-Length.
Please, not just another favor in return for some sole-sourced, sleazy insider deal in the Banana Republic of Tulsa.
[8D]
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I like it...especially the giant guilded llama.
I think friendly bear is just against everything. I don't mind spending an extra ten bucks a month for a better community. Vision 2025 got us a new arena, new housing and roads downtown, new city halls and recreation centers for all the suburbs...all quality of life additions.
Ten bucks a month for a better place to live. I am for it.
Well, you can probably afford the TICKETS for sale at the BOK Center events, too.
Many, many poor and struggling middle-class Tulsa families are POORER because of the Vision 2025 tax.
The additional 6/10 sales tax just adds more burden to a household budget stricken with higher prices for EVERYTHING: Groceries, gasoline, electricity, natural gas, insurance, college tuition, etc.
And, Tulsa's pressured poor and middle-class taxpayers cannot afford a $187 ticket to see The Eagles, preferring instead to continue buying food, fuel, clothes, or electricity on their over-stretched household budgets.
Enjoy the Eagles, nonetheless.
[:(!]
You do know that most families that fall in that category can apply for *gads* A SALES TAX REBATE.
You do know that, right?
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You do know that most families that fall in that category can apply for *gads* A SALES TAX REBATE.
Something you and I agree on. I feel that exploiting the poor over a political debate is in bad taste.
Sometimes the only thing I believe will satisfy these people is to shut down the free enterprise system, end every capitol improvements program and resort to North Korean socialism.
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Originally posted by Oil Capital
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Somehow I doubt you'd be happy if the tickets were free.
Anyway, on topic: Other than basketball games, the Ford Center has 10 events planned during the same time period as the list above.
You need to count again. Not that the comparison is at all meaningful anyway. We know they have made a big push for events in this opening season and we will not likely have that many in similar periods in the future.
Why not count the free concert tonight for BOK employee's?
Since the topic is long forgotten, I have created a new thread over here:
https://tulsanow.org/wp/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11122
Please keep your complaints and comparisons on this thread and don't gum up the new one.
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I like it...especially the giant guilded llama.
I think friendly bear is just against everything. I don't mind spending an extra ten bucks a month for a better community. Vision 2025 got us a new arena, new housing and roads downtown, new city halls and recreation centers for all the suburbs...all quality of life additions.
Ten bucks a month for a better place to live. I am for it.
Well, you can probably afford the TICKETS for sale at the BOK Center events, too.
Many, many poor and struggling middle-class Tulsa families are POORER because of the Vision 2025 tax.
The additional 6/10 sales tax just adds more burden to a household budget stricken with higher prices for EVERYTHING: Groceries, gasoline, electricity, natural gas, insurance, college tuition, etc.
And, Tulsa's pressured poor and middle-class taxpayers cannot afford a $187 ticket to see The Eagles, preferring instead to continue buying food, fuel, clothes, or electricity on their over-stretched household budgets.
Enjoy the Eagles, nonetheless.
[:(!]
You do know that most families that fall in that category can apply for *gads* A SALES TAX REBATE.
You do know that, right?
I underestimated the Vision 2025 sales tax impact on local taxpayers.
It's more than $120.00 average per year.
More like at least $150.00 per year.
Reason?
The Tulsa County Sales tax now applies to Electricity and Natural Gas bills, thanks to our consumer-friendly State Legislature action a few years ago.
So, Tulsa County is raking off 4-to-Fix-the-County and Vision 2025 every month on the PSO and ONG bills.
So, as Electricity and Natural prices shoot up and up, our County Sales tax amount each month likewise increases......
Swell swindle.
The $18.00 per family Vision 2025 Sales Tax rebate is a paltry refund for those that even qualify. Especially for poor people who spend more of their disposable income on necessities like food, gasoline, and energy.
The Rooney and Flint spawns are VERY happy, however.
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Originally posted by Admin
Since the topic is long forgotten, I have created a new thread over here:
https://tulsanow.org/wp/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11122
Please keep your complaints and comparisons on this thread and don't gum up the new one.
Still left off the opening band tonight ...