http://www.kjrh.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=561db284-e58f-4f1b-ab4c-d6adfd8713e3
Your a bit behind the curve....
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9570
http://www.okriverdistrict.com/video.html
Though the mention of office buildings of about 15 stories is a positive note. Would likely expect to see a good sized hotel go in as well. Otherwise, most of the largest condo/apartment buildings look to be about 7 stories. A few taller buildings up to 15 stories will be nice additions to the mix.
I did notice that most of the clearing and leveling had been done a few weeks ago. I suppose the next phase is underground utilities and such.
This all looks great. I think it will be a great asset for the whole Tulsa area. Now all they need is a minor league sports team...
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
This all looks great. I think it will be a great asset for the whole Tulsa area. Now all they need is a minor league sports team...
I'm starting to think they just might get one...
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Originally posted by swake
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
This all looks great. I think it will be a great asset for the whole Tulsa area. Now all they need is a minor league sports team...
I'm starting to think they just might get one...
Starting ?
Now all they need is a minor league sports team...
and a small family run amusement park that used to be located in town. Along the river would be the perfect spot for Bells.
A billion dollars?
^6,000,000 visitors a year?
Doubtful. Highly doubtful.
Jenks Chamber of Commerce propaganda?
BTW, call Lynn Mitchell and tell him his sign needs mowing. You can't see the phone number. Not that a sign will draw their necessary critical mass for designed success.
Jinxed.
Six million visitors a year does seem rather high.
The Grand Canyon gets about five million visitors a year.
It better be a damn nice fountain.
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Originally posted by FOTD
A billion dollars?
^6,000,000 visitors a year?
Doubtful. Highly doubtful.
Jenks Chamber of Commerce propaganda?
BTW, call Lynn Mitchell and tell him his sign needs mowing. You can't see the phone number. Not that a sign will draw their necessary critical mass for designed success.
Jinxed.
[^][^][^][^]<--if you were any greener i'd swear you were a vegetable...oh wait.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Six million visitors a year does seem rather high.
The Grand Canyon gets about five million visitors a year.
It better be a damn nice fountain.
People visit the Grand Canyon maybe, once, twice a lifetime. This place is likely to have people visiting every other night! Go to River District, get drunk, sober up, go to baseball game, get drunk, sober up, go shoppin', get drunk, sober up, go to Mexican restaurant, get drunk, go to work, sober up. Start again.
Like that.
16,000 people a day...Thats laughable...
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Originally posted by Breadburner
16,000 people a day...Thats laughable...
I would have guessed a lot more actually. Weekends, I can see 20-30 thousand a day easily.
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Originally posted by Breadburner
16,000 people a day...Thats laughable...
I would have guessed a lot more actually. Weekends, I can see 20-30 thousand a day easily.
you seem to guess too much.....
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Originally posted by Breadburner
16,000 people a day...Thats laughable...
Not at all. That's not too far off from the current demo.
Whats Woodland Hills yearly or daily average, numbers? This development will easily top theirs. How about downtown Tulsas average daily numbers?
Uh, no. It will not top Woodland Hills.
Arteest, what do they have that makes you state such a ridiculous point.
Tell me they got a Nordstroms.
Right.
Disney would not draw 6 million a year there....
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Originally posted by FOTD
Uh, no. It will not top Woodland Hills.
Arteest, what do they have that makes you state such a ridiculous point.
Tell me they got a Nordstroms.
Right.
Disney would not draw 6 million a year there....
This type of development is the new "in" thing with the teen/soccer mom/suburban crowd. No doubt the stores and businesses that go in there will also target the demographics in the South Tulsa, Jenks, Bixby, etc. area. Malls are out-dated and passe. You want the teen market because they are the ones who spend money. Especially in this area with all the new families, and families that have money to burn. They are ALL going to flock here like moths to a flame. This development will likely cause Woodland Hills Mall a massive headache aka, Southland and Southroads when Woodland went in.
I am actually puzzled as to what some of you think this development is? I dont think some of you realize just what this is and what its going to do to the market in the Tulsa area? Most of the young spenders are going to want to go there and avoid the "old, white trash, mall". You may see people go to Woodland to avoid the traffic at the River District, like some people go to the Promenade to avoid Woodland now lol. Depenging on how deep and strong the Tulsa area market is, you may see a lot of stuff thats in and around Woodland moving shop to the River District as it takes the cream of the crop spending crowd away.
Artist, you are tripping.
At this moment, it's crayons.
"In" thing in places with over two million demographic counts.....maybe.
No prayer..... increase your dose.
We shall see. [8D]
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Originally posted by FOTD
Artist, you are tripping.
At this moment, it's crayons.
"In" thing in places with over two million demographic counts.....maybe.
No prayer..... increase your dose.
Just imagine how much higher the numbers would be if it was from the Metro Tulsa Chamber[:P]
Lets see, we have 16000+ people a day to go there, we have approximately 15hours of open time for the stores, that is approximately 1067 people per hour rolling into this developement.
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Originally posted by joiei
Lets see, we have 16000+ people a day to go there, we have approximately 15hours of open time for the stores, that is approximately 1067 people per hour rolling into this developement.
if they have some sort of big draw there....that is easily attainable.
I have had quite a few chuckles sitting here reading all of you in denial.
I bet if this was that Tulsa Landing sham all the naysayers here would be falling over themselves to promote that.....becuase you know...downtown river front has EVERYTHING going for it.[}:)]
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by joiei
Lets see, we have 16000+ people a day to go there, we have approximately 15hours of open time for the stores, that is approximately 1067 people per hour rolling into this developement.
if they have some sort of big draw there....that is easily attainable.
I have had quite a few chuckles sitting here reading all of you in denial.
I bet if this was that Tulsa Landing sham all the naysayers here would be falling over themselves to promote that.....becuase you know...downtown river front has EVERYTHING going for it.[}:)]
Oh. Tell me teller that there are going to be 16,000 shoppers a day flooding into Tulsa Hills.
Hardly. More like 2500-4000. But that's an educated guess.
Tell the devil, Teller, how 16,000 "clients" are showing up a day in Jinx River City? Give me a hint? A band playing 76 Trombones?
Do you work for the Jinx Chamber o Shennanigans or are you the Music Man's sock puppy??
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Originally posted by FOTD
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by joiei
Lets see, we have 16000+ people a day to go there, we have approximately 15hours of open time for the stores, that is approximately 1067 people per hour rolling into this developement.
if they have some sort of big draw there....that is easily attainable.
I have had quite a few chuckles sitting here reading all of you in denial.
I bet if this was that Tulsa Landing sham all the naysayers here would be falling over themselves to promote that.....becuase you know...downtown river front has EVERYTHING going for it.[}:)]
Oh. Tell me teller that there are going to be 16,000 shoppers a day flooding into Tulsa Hills.
Hardly. More like 2500-4000. But that's an educated guess.
Tell the devil, Teller, how 16,000 "clients" are showing up a day in Jinx River City? Give me a hint? A band playing 76 Trombones?
Do you work for the Jinx Chamber o Shennanigans or are you the Music Man's sock puppy??
yes, you are definitely an obama supporter...because when the argument is lost you start acting and writing like a child.
And you hide your real motives. You simply cannot tolerate a rejuvenated downtown or river development. Growth that would draw population, attention and tax dollars away from your sprawling suburbia thereby potentially reducing your property values. Look at the bright side...less traffic and less ad valorem tax.[;)]
What about the roads in and out of this area? I waited 30 min to drive from the Jenks theater to the first stop light that takes you out of Jenks a few weeks ago.
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by FOTD
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by joiei
Lets see, we have 16000+ people a day to go there, we have approximately 15hours of open time for the stores, that is approximately 1067 people per hour rolling into this developement.
if they have some sort of big draw there....that is easily attainable.
I have had quite a few chuckles sitting here reading all of you in denial.
I bet if this was that Tulsa Landing sham all the naysayers here would be falling over themselves to promote that.....becuase you know...downtown river front has EVERYTHING going for it.[}:)]
Oh. Tell me teller that there are going to be 16,000 shoppers a day flooding into Tulsa Hills.
Hardly. More like 2500-4000. But that's an educated guess.
Tell the devil, Teller, how 16,000 "clients" are showing up a day in Jinx River City? Give me a hint? A band playing 76 Trombones?
Do you work for the Jinx Chamber o Shennanigans or are you the Music Man's sock puppy??
yes, you are definitely an obama supporter...because when the argument is lost you start acting and writing like a child.
Better than yammering like an idiot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8v7vz9KzQw&feature=related
"We'll win it the right way, and that's by winning it!"
Wow. And I thought Bush couldn't articulate.
I guess that was one of those times where he wasn't in his "cone of silence"[8)]
mccain is an immigration sellout, but he owned obama at the saddleback forum. this is what happens when the fruit doesn't have a prepared speech.
Everyone in the state is going to visit 1.75 times.....
Living in downtown, I have to say I don't for the life of me understand the hatred of either side, what's Good for Jenks is Great for Tulsa.
Optimistic numbers is what any PR firm is going to give, that's a given. How are they going to get those numbers? Simple, lots of weekend events, lots of festivals, lots of sales, lots of promotion.
Don't forget, people going to a show at the arena might want to avoid the crowed bars and restaurants downtown, or might want to eat closer to home. Tourists going to the river development will also go to Tulsa museums, parts, and businesses. Teens will go on their dates out where there is three four developments to do things, means every date night can be different even if they go to the same place.
Population growth will be a key factor, and we will keep seeing growth, both in the core and in our suburbs.
Even if they don't make those numbers, or do but barely it's still a great thing for Tulsa, means more people will be spending money in both Cities.
So Jenks, Tulsa I am happy for you both for your great growth even in troubled times.
For those wondering why "Tulsa never get's these developments," it's because we have too many existing developments that are half complete and or under way, we have many smaller developments which together will have similar economic effects. There are more points for this but it deserves its own threads.
I just want to say that 6 Million is probably a high estimate, but the Outlet Shops in
San Marcos, Texas draw over 6 million visitors a year. The outlets are one of the largest tourist attractions in Texas and outdraw The Alamo, all Texas museums, all Texas zoos, Sea World and both of the Six Flags parks. Unlike the proposed River District in Jenks, however, the outlets are strictly retail only. There is relatively no restaurant component and absolutely no nightlife, no concerts, no sports, no commercial/business and no residential.
It is also not impossible to think that Nordstrom would not consider The River District for a store. Nordstrom already has stores in Anchorage Alaska, Spokane Washington, and Orem Utah. All of which are much smaller markets than Tulsa. Nordstrom also just recently announced new store openings in Birmingham Alabama, Nashville Tennessee and a second store in Austin which are all slightly larger markets than Tulsa. I would almost be willing to bet, though, that the 2/5/10/20 mile radius demographics are not much, if any, better than Nordstrom's proposed locations in those cities.
People in Tulsa also don't seem to realize that Saks Fifth Avenue, which in spite of it's recent financial problems, is more exclusive than Nordstrom and still has kept open it's store in Tulsa, even though it closed it's only stores in Kansas City (on the Plaza) and Minneapolis (Downtown) several years ago. I guarantee that this has not gone unnoticed by the powers-that-be at Nordstrom.
If the River District is able to land Nordstrom, Crate and Barrel and a few other mid-to-high range / high profile retailers, then it will be very successful in this location. Unfortunately though, I think the success of this project will be to the detriment of Utica Square more than it will be to Woodland Hills.