I'm looking for a reality check here guys and gals. I am married with 4 children, 2 dogs, 2 cats. The children are 10 months, 3 years, 11 years and 13 years old. My grocery budget from 2005-2007 was $110.00 per week. I never varied from that too much..maybe $10 or so. In the last six months I cannot get out of my Neighborhood Wal-Mart for less that $160.00+..which leaves me to ask "Am I alone?"
Not at all.
The credit card crunch comes right after the car loan clampdown.
But Okies still fear Obama and prefer 4 more years of McBush oversight and economic policy.
If it weren't for the oil Barons here, there'd be a whole lot more hurt coming at us.
I see inflation around %22 considering food and energy costs. The republicanized economic numbers will tell you this election season that inflation is running just over %5. DON'T BUY INTO THEIR LIES AGAIN!
"He hears the silence howling --
catches angels as they fall.
And the all-time winner
has got him by the balls.
He picks up Gideons Bible --
open at page one --
old Charlie stole the handle and
the train won't stop going --
no way to slow down. " (Jethro Tull)
And yet, Obama supports turning food into fuel and Pelosi refuses to allow a vote on drilling in ANWR. No one is doing anything about the big elephant in the room- unrestricted commodity trading. I really don't give two ****s who let that cat out of the bag, no one is doing anything to put it back in.
No, not all simple solutions, but all things which are contributing to the misery and all we are getting is lip service from our elected government representatives.
They are either too stupid to figure out what would be appropriate policies or everyone's special interests are keeping anything from happening.
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Originally posted by Conan71
And yet, Obama supports turning food into fuel and Pelosi refuses to allow a vote on drilling in ANWR. No one is doing anything about the big elephant in the room- unrestricted commodity trading. I really don't give two ****s who let that cat out of the bag, no one is doing anything to put it back in.
No, not all simple solutions, but all things which are contributing to the misery and all we are getting is lip service from our elected government representatives.
They are either too stupid to figure out what would be appropriate policies or everyone's special interests are keeping anything from happening.
The War in Iraq II let the cat out of the bag.
You don't know......[:O]
Not alone at all. Fuel prices have elevated everything. It will continue to trickle down until it affects demand, and that's starting to happen.
The backlash is that as demand for products is reduced the farmers, ranchers, and product manufacturers will start to fail. We are an energy dependent society, so as long as the tap is being turned down, the lights will start to dim.
The good news is that now is a good time for contrarian investing. Look at the depressed industries and buy some stock. You are far more likely to achieve impressive returns in a few years. There is opportunity with every turn the economy makes. Investing in times like this, if you can afford to, is very wise.
As for now, just watch the price of oil. Unless congress agrees on some form of relief (and they won't) prices will continue to rise. There is a great deal of posturing taking place on both sides of the isle, and we are suffering for it.
We've started doing all of our shopping at Sam's. Buying bulk for several weeks. It has made a huge difference.
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Originally posted by Gaspar
We've started doing all of our shopping at Sam's. Buying bulk for several weeks. It has made a huge difference.
I think I might get a membership and give it a try. I assume if you're buying for a few weeks you are stuffing your deep freeze? My fridge can only handle 1 weeks worth of stuff.
Shopping Tip: If you wait/watch for sales, canned tuna is cheaper than cat food.
It's all realted to oil. truckers are paying $5.00 a gallon for diesel fuel and have to pass that cost on. That corn oil in the gasoline also raises food prices. If we could drill for oil prices will fall as diesel fuel drops. Tell the democrats in congress you want to drill for oil.. Nancy P is the big hold up..
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Originally posted by izmophonik
I'm looking for a reality check here guys and gals. I am married with 4 children, 2 dogs, 2 cats. The children are 10 months, 3 years, 11 years and 13 years old. My grocery budget from 2005-2007 was $110.00 per week. I never varied from that too much..maybe $10 or so. In the last six months I cannot get out of my Neighborhood Wal-Mart for less that $160.00+..which leaves me to ask "Am I alone?"
I highlighted your issue in blue. Moving from wal-mart to real grocery stores as well as sales and coupons cut our grocery bill over 50%. Wal-Mart has been raising the more common items like milk, pop, bread to the same price as elsewhere or higher except wal-mart doesn't really do sales whereas Food pyramid is doing cases of bottled water for $3.60, full slabs of ribs for $10, and a full case of vegetables for $4 right now. All of the above is name brand, not generic.
TV news had this site: http://www.coupons.com
Biggest problem I see with it was that only certain stores honor these web based coupons, and most are for junk food, bag, box type.
http://www.tulsacouponqueen.com/
From Tulsa World (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/lifestyle/article.aspx?articleID=20080803_38_D6_spancl533946%22)
quote:
The coupon queen
Yearly savings: $3,600
Strategy: Combining store coupons and sales with manufacturer#8217;s coupons; using the Internet Sarah Roe started clipping coupons out of necessity, when her infant son got sick and developed severe food allergies. Medical bills piled up, and feeding her son became more expensive. Her budget had to be cut.
She was shopping at Wal-Mart when she saw a pile of coupons sitting on a shelf. But they weren#8217;t the same ones she got with the Sunday newspaper. Her curiosity was piqued, so she researched and found Stephanie Nelson#8217;s book, #8220;Greatest Secrets of the Coupon Mom.#8221;
With her newfound coupon knowledge, she headed to Homeland and bought a week#8217;s worth of groceries for $20.
#8220;After you do something like that, you kind of get hooked,#8221; Roe said.
A normal week#8217;s worth of groceries for her family sans coupons would run at least $100. Now, she rarely pays more than $60.
She buys coupons on eBay, gets them from the Tulsa World and other newspapers, and family and friends who don#8217;t use their weekly coupons give her theirs. Some Web sites have coupons you can download, and a lot of companies will send coupons if you sign up for their newsletter, Roe said.
A few local stores will even double coupons up to a certain amount.
Roe has become so good at saving with coupons, she runs a Web site (tulsaworld. com/couponqueen) and teaches classes so others can learn her tricks.
#8220;The money you save opens the door for so many other things,#8221; she said. #8220;Of course, now it all goes toward gas.#8221;
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Originally posted by FOTD
Not at all.
The credit card crunch comes right after the car loan clampdown.
But Okies still fear Obama and prefer 4 more years of McBush oversight and economic policy.
If it weren't for the oil Barons here, there'd be a whole lot more hurt coming at us.
I see inflation around %22 considering food and energy costs. The republicanized economic numbers will tell you this election season that inflation is running just over %5. DON'T BUY INTO THEIR LIES AGAIN!
Translation: Bush's fault.
What a surprise, douchebag FOTD or aox blaming Bush.
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Originally posted by guido911
quote:
Originally posted by FOTD
Not at all.
The credit card crunch comes right after the car loan clampdown.
But Okies still fear Obama and prefer 4 more years of McBush oversight and economic policy.
If it weren't for the oil Barons here, there'd be a whole lot more hurt coming at us.
I see inflation around %22 considering food and energy costs. The republicanized economic numbers will tell you this election season that inflation is running just over %5. DON'T BUY INTO THEIR LIES AGAIN!
Translation: Bush's fault.
What a surprise, douchebag FOTD or aox blaming Bush.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....
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Originally posted by izmophonik
quote:
Originally posted by Gaspar
We've started doing all of our shopping at Sam's. Buying bulk for several weeks. It has made a huge difference.
I think I might get a membership and give it a try. I assume if you're buying for a few weeks you are stuffing your deep freeze? My fridge can only handle 1 weeks worth of stuff.
I've been a Sam's member for years, but you have to be careful. Some of the stuff at Sam's is more expensive then other stores. It's just hard to know that when you are buying items in huge bulk.
Each item is marked with a per ounce, per item, per cup, per pound, ..... price. Compare that to where you shop to find the better price.
I don't go to Sam's because it is cheaper, although some items are, I go because they carry stuff I can't find other places (like Walmart... go figure).
I talked to an Arrow Trucking friend of mine yesterday and he attributed grocery prices to the cost of fuel, which is killing them too.
I use Fadler's across the street from Sam's. No membership fee so I instantly save $35.
For years we have concentrated on the store specials called "Lost leaders." When a store for example has canned veggies for say 3/$100, we stock up. Good meat prices? We will buy several. Milk freezes and will keep for months. Remove eggs from their shells and freeze in zip bags and they will keep for months. Believe me it really adds up and the list goes on and on.
Oh, chicken is the big one for us. When a good lost leader is advertised we will buy more than one packages. The specials happen just often enough that we very seldom have to pay full price.
Well, welcome to reality. I believe we have been there for a bit. Oil = Food Prices. Here are a few of my favorite links.
http://www.peakoil.com/
http://americanenergycrisis.blogspot.com/2008/08/starting-to-get-interesting-again.html
and one I've posted before...
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/
Your conclusions are your own. I've been pancakes'in for awhile.
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Originally posted by izmophonik
I'm looking for a reality check here guys and gals. I am married with 4 children, 2 dogs, 2 cats. The children are 10 months, 3 years, 11 years and 13 years old.......
Keep going until you have twins & see if
People Magazine will give you 14mil for the pics.
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Originally posted by guido911
quote:
Originally posted by FOTD
Not at all.
The credit card crunch comes right after the car loan clampdown.
But Okies still fear Obama and prefer 4 more years of McBush oversight and economic policy.
If it weren't for the oil Barons here, there'd be a whole lot more hurt coming at us.
I see inflation around %22 considering food and energy costs. The republicanized economic numbers will tell you this election season that inflation is running just over %5. DON'T BUY INTO THEIR LIES AGAIN!
Translation: Bush's fault.
What a surprise, douchebag FOTD or aox blaming Bush.
NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED OR PARANOIDALS!
http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini
Nouriel Roubini's Global EconoMonitor
Barron's Interview and Video with Roubini: "Yes, That's $2 Trillion of Debt-Related Losses"
"The nub of his argument is that we're suffering the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, and he proceeds to give chilling chapter and verse. He predicts that hundreds of small banks loaded with real estate will go bust and dozens of large regional and national banks will also find themselves in deep do-do."
Now, tell me the Dow was up 331 points today and it was because everyone believes John McCain(R-Idiot) will be our next President and he will restore savings, pay off debt, enable market stability through confidence and leadership.
Can you tell me that?[8]
Roubini is hardly clairvoyant. The housing market generally takes a hit about every 15 to 20 years or so.
Now, what did your post have to do with the price of groceries?
[?]
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Originally posted by Conan71
Roubini is hardly clairvoyant. The housing market generally takes a hit about every 15 to 20 years or so.
Now, what did your post have to do with the price of groceries?
[?]
It has to do with Guido's comment, Conan.
Home prices drop, credit dries up, etc..... all a viscious cycle and it effects food prices through cost push inflation.
Do you see the price of food going down? Whole Foods stock dropped after hours %14.....how do they bridge the gap? They raise food prices further.
Imagine what it is like for the working poor and food stamp recipients. Tulsa is loaded down with poor Whites. I bet lots of people are going hungry in our fair city.
For years I've been wondering why I haven't seen a general insurrection.
Remember the final days of Daddy Bush and the riot in Los Angeles. Remember seeing the pictures and thinking this kind of looks like my town. I think that is what a general insurrection would look like.
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Originally posted by Conan71
Roubini is hardly clairvoyant. The housing market generally takes a hit about every 15 to 20 years or so.
Now, what did your post have to do with the price of groceries?
[?]
Roubini's not clairvoyant, but he's been pretty spot-on about our current troubles. You know you're in trouble when the super-bears are the most accurate pundits in the game.
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Originally posted by Wilbur
quote:
Originally posted by izmophonik
quote:
Originally posted by Gaspar
We've started doing all of our shopping at Sam's. Buying bulk for several weeks. It has made a huge difference.
I think I might get a membership and give it a try. I assume if you're buying for a few weeks you are stuffing your deep freeze? My fridge can only handle 1 weeks worth of stuff.
I've been a Sam's member for years, but you have to be careful. Some of the stuff at Sam's is more expensive then other stores. It's just hard to know that when you are buying items in huge bulk.
Each item is marked with a per ounce, per item, per cup, per pound, ..... price. Compare that to where you shop to find the better price.
I don't go to Sam's because it is cheaper, although some items are, I go because they carry stuff I can't find other places (like Walmart... go figure).
I talked to an Arrow Trucking friend of mine yesterday and he attributed grocery prices to the cost of fuel, which is killing them too.
The bad thing about Sam's Club is you start off $35.00 in the hole from the membership fee, so it will take alot of shopping to make up for that loss, plus not everything there is that cheap. I don't ever shop there. Sam's Club is mostly bulk shopping.
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Originally posted by FOTD
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71
Roubini is hardly clairvoyant. The housing market generally takes a hit about every 15 to 20 years or so.
Now, what did your post have to do with the price of groceries?
[?]
It has to do with Guido's comment, Conan.
Home prices drop, credit dries up, etc..... all a viscious cycle and it effects food prices through cost push inflation.
Do you see the price of food going down? Whole Foods stock dropped after hours %14.....how do they bridge the gap? They raise food prices further.
Which was directed at your moronic comment on the credit crunch and Bush in a topic about grocery prices.
It now costs me double what it used to for truck frieght on anything we ship.
Double the price of fuel for farmers and every leg of the trip of commodities being turned into food, the removal of certain commodities from the feed market for the fuel market, and that pretty much accounts for the rise in grocery prices.
The subprime mortgage fiasco and credit crunch have little or nothing to do with cost push inflation pressures on groceries. That's so far detached from reality, I'm not even sure why I bother correcting you on it.
Since you are so OT, I might as well indulge since it does have to do with the plight of the consumer:
Did I hear correctly Obama wants to hand out more "chump change" to cope with this?
"- U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama proposed a package of measures on Friday to help workers fight rising energy costs, including an immediate $1,000 tax rebate for low- and middle-income families. "
What are all these no-strings hand-outs going to accomplish in light of everyone's horror with Bush's deficits???
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Originally posted by Conan71
Did I hear correctly Obama wants to hand out more "chump change" to cope with this?
"- U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama proposed a package of measures on Friday to help workers fight rising energy costs, including an immediate $1,000 tax rebate for low- and middle-income families. "
What are all these no-strings hand-outs going to accomplish in light of everyone's horror with Bush's deficits???
How could they be any worse than "no-strings hand-outs" to the rich via Bush's tax cuts?
quote:
Originally posted by Chris
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71
Did I hear correctly Obama wants to hand out more "chump change" to cope with this?
"- U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama proposed a package of measures on Friday to help workers fight rising energy costs, including an immediate $1,000 tax rebate for low- and middle-income families. "
What are all these no-strings hand-outs going to accomplish in light of everyone's horror with Bush's deficits???
How could they be any worse than "no-strings hand-outs" to the rich via Bush's tax cuts?
Are you seriously comparing the "no strings hand-outs" in the form of $1000.00 tax rebates to the "rich" getting to keep more of their OWN money because of tax cuts? More class warfare BS.
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71
And yet, Obama supports turning food into fuel and Pelosi refuses to allow a vote on drilling in ANWR. No one is doing anything about the big elephant in the room- unrestricted commodity trading. I really don't give two ****s who let that cat out of the bag, no one is doing anything to put it back in.
No, not all simple solutions, but all things which are contributing to the misery and all we are getting is lip service from our elected government representatives.
They are either too stupid to figure out what would be appropriate policies or everyone's special interests are keeping anything from happening.
holy **** we agree on something....sound the alarms and batten the hatches! Obama and all of his cohorts are fruits and frauds.
quote:
Originally posted by guido911
Are you seriously comparing the "no strings hand-outs" in the form of $1000.00 tax rebates to the "rich" getting to keep more of their OWN money because of tax cuts? More class warfare BS.
Is a "tax rebate" not leaving more of their own money in the pockets of the folks who get it?
Perhaps in the case of the relatively few who pay no income tax, yet get money back, no, but for the vast majority it is just giving back money they paid in.
Of course, when poor people get something rich people get, there are some who scream about handouts. Apparently the poor don't make their own money, they just make rich people's money?
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Originally posted by nathanm
quote:
Originally posted by guido911
Are you seriously comparing the "no strings hand-outs" in the form of $1000.00 tax rebates to the "rich" getting to keep more of their OWN money because of tax cuts? More class warfare BS.
Is a "tax rebate" not leaving more of their own money in the pockets of the folks who get it?
Perhaps in the case of the relatively few who pay no income tax, yet get money back, no, but for the vast majority it is just giving back money they paid in.
Of course, when poor people get something rich people get, there are some who scream about handouts. Apparently the poor don't make their own money, they just make rich people's money?
Oh that's right. The "rich" are getting away with something when they pay less in taxes. Thanks for proving my point about BS class warfare.
If you threw a big old barbeque for 100 people and 3 of them showed up, used strong arm tactics and made off with 93.45% of the food. Would you think there was something fishy going on?
Wouldn't you be really p***** if you were hungry and didn't get any more than a few crumbs?
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Originally posted by inteller
quote:
Originally posted by Conan71
And yet, Obama supports turning food into fuel and Pelosi refuses to allow a vote on drilling in ANWR. No one is doing anything about the big elephant in the room- unrestricted commodity trading. I really don't give two ****s who let that cat out of the bag, no one is doing anything to put it back in.
No, not all simple solutions, but all things which are contributing to the misery and all we are getting is lip service from our elected government representatives.
They are either too stupid to figure out what would be appropriate policies or everyone's special interests are keeping anything from happening.
holy **** we agree on something....sound the alarms and batten the hatches! Obama and all of his cohorts are fruits and frauds.
Forcasts from around the region today:
Tulsa 103 and sunny
OKC 101 and sunny
Hell 31 and cloudy
[}:)]
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Originally posted by Hometown
If you threw a big old barbeque for 100 people and 3 of them showed up, used strong arm tactics and made off with 93.45% of the food. Would you think there was something fishy going on?
Wouldn't you be really p***** if you were hungry and didn't get any more than a few crumbs?
If that mess is directed at me, what the hell are you talking about?
I drove over to Warehouse Market in Sand Springs yesterday looking for some savings. I was once again impressed by the large number of poor Whites hereabouts. Funny, we hardly even acknowledge that poor Whites exist but they are everywhere and they are sorely in need of an advocate. They aren't on any bean counter's list. They understand what I'm talking about.
Goggle Huey Long.
I never liked Oklahomas tax on food. When I visit Oklahoma it seems strange being taxed on food. Ohio taxes no food not even carry out restaurant food. (Ohio does tax eat-in restaurant food). Like they say food taxes are hard to swallow.
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Originally posted by Hometown
I drove over to Warehouse Market in Sand Springs yesterday looking for some savings. I was once again impressed by the large number of poor Whites hereabouts. Funny, we hardly even acknowledge that poor Whites exist but they are everywhere and they are sorely in need of an advocate. They aren't on any bean counter's list. They understand what I'm talking about.
Goggle Huey Long.
Judging by the size of many of Tulsa's "poor", starvation doesn't seem to be as much a problem as laziness.
Income is what it's about Conan. A living wage. These are good hardworking people that deserve a shot at the American Dream. Social mobility is the glue that holds are system together.
Try making it without their labor.
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Originally posted by sauerkraut
I never liked Oklahomas tax on food. When I visit Oklahoma it seems strange being taxed on food. Ohio taxes no food not even carry out restaurant food. (Ohio does tax eat-in restaurant food). Like they say food taxes are hard to swallow.
I heard that we are one of only two states that fully tax groceries. Talk about regressive.
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Originally posted by Hometown
If you threw a big old barbeque for 100 people and 3 of them showed up, used strong arm tactics and made off with 93.45% of the food. Would you think there was something fishy going on?
Wouldn't you be really p***** if you were hungry and didn't get any more than a few crumbs?
Technically in this scenario, those three bought the food, and the grill.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
quote:
Originally posted by Hometown
If you threw a big old barbeque for 100 people and 3 of them showed up, used strong arm tactics and made off with 93.45% of the food. Would you think there was something fishy going on?
Wouldn't you be really p***** if you were hungry and didn't get any more than a few crumbs?
Technically in this scenario, those three bought the food, and the grill.
Well said griz.
No. The host did. I'm guilty of some big leaps of imagination but you couldn't get yours past the logic committee Mr. Grizzle.
p.s. My bill at Warehouse Market in Sand Springs wasn't any less than Reasors at Yale and 41st.
Wait, I get it. You mean the rich own the means of production. To a point, yes. But the citizens of the U.S. own the market. We own the United States. Try to make money anywhere else. This is the place to make money. Try making money in the Cayman Islands or Turkey, or just about anywhere else. This is the greatest market in the world and we own it. That's my idea of leverage. Then you have to consider the skill it takes to run the production. That belongs to the middle class. And the muscle. That's labor. No, the rich are not an island unto themselves.
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Originally posted by Hometown
Wait, I get it. You mean the rich own the means of production. To a point, yes. But the citizens of the U.S. own the market. We own the United States. Try to make money anywhere else. This is the place to make money. Try making money in the Cayman Islands or Turkey, or just about anywhere else. This is the greatest market in the world and we own it. That's my idea of leverage. Then you have to consider the skill it takes to run the production. That belongs to the middle class. And the muscle. That's labor. No, the rich are not an island unto themselves.
The Caymans are just a place for those most successful at leveraging to
hide er, store their money.
Unfortunately, there's 536 elected people in D.C. along with a slew of lobbyists and bureaucrats who have forgotten people like you and I own the country.
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Originally posted by Conan71
quote:
Originally posted by Hometown
I drove over to Warehouse Market in Sand Springs yesterday looking for some savings. I was once again impressed by the large number of poor Whites hereabouts. Funny, we hardly even acknowledge that poor Whites exist but they are everywhere and they are sorely in need of an advocate. They aren't on any bean counter's list. They understand what I'm talking about.
Goggle Huey Long.
Judging by the size of many of Tulsa's "poor", starvation doesn't seem to be as much a problem as laziness.
That's what they say... We have the "biggest" poor people in the world. Not too many poor people in the USA are down to skin & bones. Most have big screen TV sets too, and can afford cigs.
Maybe you can pull Reagan out of the ground so that he can bash the welfare mothers one more time.
I know who made off with your lunch and it aint the working poor.
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Originally posted by Hometown
Maybe you can pull Reagan out of the ground so that he can bash the welfare mothers one more time.
Vote Zombie Reagan in 08!
And as the Veep, Zombie George Wallace!
Man, talk about an unstoppable ticket . . . except with shotguns and chainsaws, that is.
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Originally posted by guido911
quote:
Originally posted by nathanm
quote:
Originally posted by guido911
Are you seriously comparing the "no strings hand-outs" in the form of $1000.00 tax rebates to the "rich" getting to keep more of their OWN money because of tax cuts? More class warfare BS.
Is a "tax rebate" not leaving more of their own money in the pockets of the folks who get it?
Perhaps in the case of the relatively few who pay no income tax, yet get money back, no, but for the vast majority it is just giving back money they paid in.
Of course, when poor people get something rich people get, there are some who scream about handouts. Apparently the poor don't make their own money, they just make rich people's money?
Oh that's right. The "rich" are getting away with something when they pay less in taxes. Thanks for proving my point about BS class warfare.
Thanks so very much for not reading what I wrote.
You wrote that the rich were keeping their own money while the poor were getting a handout. A tax rebate is a handout for no one, whether it applies to every taxpayer, only "poor" taxpayers, or only "rich" taxpayers. We've seen all of these in recent times.
I did not write that anybody was more or less deserving of a tax break. I did not write that rich people were "getting away" with something when they pay less tax, while others are not.