I have said that I think it will be Evan Bayh from Indiana. I say this after talking to a very high up Obama official back in June who said he was the top choice.
Back in May I said I hope he picks Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius. She has a great bi-partisan approach and has fought for things close to me.
My friends want it to be Joe Biden. He is so prepared on international issues and would be a perfect campaigner to complement Obama.
I hear that Virginia Governor Tim Kaine is also a finalist for the job. He brings a crucial state into play.
Who do you think is the best choice for Obama?
TK not to be confused with SemGroup or Enron.
I'm still pulling for Powell.
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Originally posted by FOTD
TK not to be confused with SemGroup or Enron.
I'm still pulling for Powell.
Too much baggage there, I'm afraid.
Baggage? Well, McSame (R-Idiot) has more than the two combined.
Anyway, WaPo article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/28/AR2008072802041.html?hpid=topnews
Kaine in 'Serious' Talks With Obama
I hope Kaine is tha man.....ties to mid America through Kansas!
Biden would be lowkey and good background support. Both O and Pops vp picks are more important than in the past. Both stand a good chance of not making it through a full term.
The more I talk with people the more fearful I am that we're just plain screwed. The guy killing Unitarians because they were too liberal may be the start of the harvest of the garden the ultra religious fanatics have planted.
I want him to pick Dennis Kucinich.
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Originally posted by FOTD
I hope Kaine is tha man.....ties to mid America through Kansas!
Well, the Governor of Kansas would probably have a little stronger ties...
Kaine would be fine with me...Obama can change his chant to "Yes, we Kaine"!
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Originally posted by Conan71
I want him to pick Dennis Kucinich.
You want him to lose. Losers stick on each other......
I think it'll be Kaine.
Oprah...
I'm sorry to say this but that picture they keep showing of him looks so funny.
His hair reminds me of Dagwood Bumstead. [8D]
It should be himself then he can wear two suits both of which will be empty....
I hope he picks the Veep before the convention...
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Originally posted by Breadburner
It should be himself then he can wear two suits both of which will be empty....
Just for that, the devil's going with Biden. He's no empty suit.
Kaine may have been ruled out ..... and the longshot is the Penn. governor.
Burner, it's illogical to think Obama could pick himself.
It is down to three...
Bayh...
Biden...
Kaine...
Kaine is a great speaker and puts Virginia in play.
Bayh puts his state in play, is an OK speaker and would be applauded by the Hillary supporters.
Biden is the best known, brings foreign policy knowledge and is a great debater.
I guess the best choice for Obama would be Kaine. He is young, transformational with a conservative background. He is against the death penalty and abortion, but has carried out juries wishes and thinks that abortion doctors should not be prosecuted. He spent a year of his life as a missionary and sings in the choir in a mostly black inner city church. I like that he supports reasonable gun limits and speaks candidly about his emotions.
I still think Biden. No more missionary types, please.
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Originally posted by waterboy
I still think Biden. No more missionary types, please.
+1 I think we'll hear Biden tomorrow.
On one of the very rare occassions that I listen to KFAQ these days, Pat Campbell was saying Biden this morning.
I dunno, I think he's going to add a sleaze factor to the campaign. Obama could do a lot better. I've never trusted Biden since the plagiarism scandal, though I guess it doesn't make him worse than a Kennedy, now does it? Biden just reminds me too much of a used car salesman turned televangelist.
Biden says he's "not the guy."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/19/1276323.aspx
Given how Obama is tanking in the polls right now, maybe we should be thinking if Obama will by HRC's VEEP
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/experience-key.html
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Originally posted by guido911
Biden says he's "not the guy."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/19/1276323.aspx
Given how Obama is tanking in the polls right now, maybe we should be thinking if Obama will by HRC's VEEP
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/experience-key.html
Yep, if tanking in the polls means winning...wow.
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Originally posted by Conan71
On one of the very rare occassions that I listen to KFAQ these days, Pat Campbell was saying Biden this morning.
I dunno, I think he's going to add a sleaze factor to the campaign. Obama could do a lot better. I've never trusted Biden since the plagiarism scandal, though I guess it doesn't make him worse than a Kennedy, now does it? Biden just reminds me too much of a used car salesman turned televangelist.
One time Conan......just one time did Biden fail to mention the originator of a single quote. Biden used the quote with attribution many times, but failed once to acknowledge the source.
Give him a break. Joe's a great guy.....and the devil don't mean the Lie-berman.
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by guido911
Biden says he's "not the guy."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/19/1276323.aspx
Given how Obama is tanking in the polls right now, maybe we should be thinking if Obama will by HRC's VEEP
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/experience-key.html
Yep, if tanking in the polls means winning...wow.
I was making the point that Obama has lost ground. I guess that went beyond your comprehension. If you want to be a wise donkey, here ya go:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10
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Originally posted by guido911
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by guido911
Biden says he's "not the guy."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/19/1276323.aspx
Given how Obama is tanking in the polls right now, maybe we should be thinking if Obama will by HRC's VEEP
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/experience-key.html
Yep, if tanking in the polls means winning...wow.
I was making the point that Obama has lost ground. I guess that went beyond your comprehension. If you want to be a wise donkey, here ya go:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10
Arkansas goes McCain? yeah fat ****ing hope.
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Originally posted by guido911
Biden says he's "not the guy."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/19/1276323.aspx
Given how Obama is tanking in the polls right now, maybe we should be thinking if Obama will by HRC's VEEP
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/experience-key.html
Dear Guido[:D],
Obama is not slipping in the polls[:P]. Let no one question his abilities[:)]. There will be a landslide[}:)]. Time for serious debate if only McCaint can[:(]. But patriotism is not the issue[|)]. Negative advertising by you Republicons will not work nor will your attempts to paint Biden as a liar[:X]. Your candidate is unstable[:O]. So are many of his followers[}:)].
Biden or Citizen Kaine, either makes little difference[:D].
Love,
His Majesty's Satanic Messenger [:I]
Good grief Inteller it's just a freakin poll! These polls do not really mean anything right now anyway, except to show that things appear to be trending to some degree.
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Originally posted by guido911
Good grief Inteller it's just a freakin poll! These polls do not really mean anything right now anyway, except to show that things appear to be trending to some degree.
You keep trying to cite them like they'll be the numbers played out in 10 weeks. What is everyone supposed to think. If you don't believe in 'em so much it tells me your baiting...[:O]
if you flip on the other tab of that poll. it shows obama to have a landslide.
I can predict with 100% certainty that we will elect a loser in November.
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Originally posted by inteller
if you flip on the other tab of that poll. it shows obama to have a landslide.
I can predict with 100% certainty that we will elect a loser in November.
Well that it is true, although I honor and respect McCain's military service immensely.
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Originally posted by Hoss
...it tells me your baiting...[:O]
It's election season, is there something wrong with that? [}:)]
Someone explain to me how this equates to foreign policy accumen:
'"When Congress reconvenes, I intend to work with the administration to seek congressional approval for $1 billion in emergency assistance for Georgia," he said.'
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121919956426355701.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
How do you just arbitrarily decide a country needs exactly $1 bln ???
$1 bln here $1 bln there, a bunch of tax rebates during an election year, spiraling operation costs of gov't.
Eh, what am I biznitching about, not my money, right???
[xx(]
I thought I'd pull an FOTD and cite a Democrat's blog as fact:
http://economicsofcontempt.blogspot.com/2008/08/joe-biden-foreign-policy-heavyweight.html
"I'm not sure Biden's long-time position on Senate Foreign Relations is enough, by itself, to convince voters that he's a true foreign policy heavyweight. The general public doesn't know what committees do, nor do they particularly care. The McCain campaign would definitely push the fact that Biden never served in the military, and would try to frame him as an armchair diplomat who never leaves the Beltway.
To be clear, Biden's reputation as a serious foreign policy expert is absolutely justified, and his 35 years on Senate Foreign Relations is very significant experience. I'm just not sure the Obama campaign can convince voters of this much.
Of the potential running-mates still in consideration, Biden is my first choice for Vice President, but Tim Kaine is my first choice for Vice Presidential nominee (followed closely by Jack Reed). Biden's just too risky on the campaign trail. "
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by Hoss
...it tells me your baiting...[:O]
It's election season, is there something wrong with that? [}:)]
If by "baiting" Hoss means that I was attempting to deflate those giant Obama nutjobs egos as well as Obama's pre-election presidential coronation, then I guess I am guilty. Oh, and this just in:
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUKN1948672420080820?sp=true
And this:
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUKN1948672420080820?sp=true
These will all change of course with the anticipated bump following the dem covention.
You guys back touting the early, very early, polls like you did in the primaries?
Garbage in garbage out....landslide coming.[}:)]
Satan's for McCain anyway. He's together.
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Originally posted by guido911
And this:
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUKN1948672420080820?sp=true
These will all change of course with the anticipated bump following the dem covention.
(In my best FOTARD syntax):
Landslide for McCain!!!!
Only poll results that matter are the ones we'll hear the day after the election.
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Originally posted by guido911
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Originally posted by inteller
if you flip on the other tab of that poll. it shows obama to have a landslide.
I can predict with 100% certainty that we will elect a loser in November.
Well that it is true, although I honor and respect McCain's military service immensely.
The devil don't....it's political gimmeckry!
OMFG: Fellow POW says he will NOT Vote McCain-Must READ
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/08/omfg-fellow-pow-says-he-will-n.php
Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain
http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859_2,00.html
"furthermore believe that having been a POW is no special qualification for being President of the United States. The two jobs are not the same, and POW experience is not, in my opinion, something I would look for in a presidential candidate"
"Tweedle Dee is a low down sorry old man "
B. Dylan (Brady 8-27-08)
*Grunt* *Groan* *Plop* there's one...
*Grunt* *Groan* *Plop* there's two...
....Viet Nam vets who won't vote for McCain. I bet there are many more. You are aware that many vets have over-stated their involvement in Viet Nam? A lot of time has passed and publicly-available documentation is scarce.
Because of this, I never assumed the Swift Boaters story had more veracity than Kerry's.
I would, however, assume that any POW's version of Viet Nam holds a lot more water than yours.
You obviously failed the comprehension test of the link/article/blog....did not even read it did you Conan?[?]
"Tweedle Dee is a low down sorry old man "
B. Dylan (Brady 8-27-08)
Since I don't have any money down on this . . .
. . . I'm starting to think that, for all the negative talk, Clinton may actually be the choice. Why else would Obama give both Clintons so much real estate on the convention program? Why else would he allow a symbolic roll call vote at the convention?
And in the end, who can bring the most to the table, electorally? We can argue about who brings a state (Virginia, Indiana, etc), but Clinton brings millions of supporters nationwide.
This (//%22http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/08/obama-says-hes.html?loc=interstitialskip%22)is the quote that set it all off for me:
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In an interview in Chester, Va., the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee said he's made up his mind, but he would not say whether he's informed that person yet. "I won't comment on anything else until I introduce our running mate to the world," he said. "That's all you're going to get out of me."
Obama said it was a difficult decision. "We had some great choices."
Obama said he wanted somebody who is "prepared to be president" and who will be "a partner with me in strengthening this economy for the middle class and working families." He said he was looking for not just a partner but a sparring partner. "I want somebody who's independent, somebody who can push against my preconceived notions and challenge me so we have got a robust debate in the White House."
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Originally posted by we vs us
Since I don't have any money down on this . . .
. . . I'm starting to think that, for all the negative talk, Clinton may actually be the choice. Why else would Obama give both Clintons so much real estate on the convention program? Why else would he allow a symbolic roll call vote at the convention?
And in the end, who can bring the most to the table, electorally? We can argue about who brings a state (Virginia, Indiana, etc), but Clinton brings millions of supporters nationwide.
This (//%22http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/08/obama-says-hes.html?loc=interstitialskip%22)is the quote that set it all off for me:
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In an interview in Chester, Va., the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee said he's made up his mind, but he would not say whether he's informed that person yet. "I won't comment on anything else until I introduce our running mate to the world," he said. "That's all you're going to get out of me."
Obama said it was a difficult decision. "We had some great choices."
Obama said he wanted somebody who is "prepared to be president" and who will be "a partner with me in strengthening this economy for the middle class and working families." He said he was looking for not just a partner but a sparring partner. "I want somebody who's independent, somebody who can push against my preconceived notions and challenge me so we have got a robust debate in the White House."
Those are good insights. Add to that the realization that polls show HRC supporters are still not moving over to support Obama and you have even more logic for her choice. Already been vetted, already been attacked and survived, ready to serve as running mate and replacement if necessary. I like it. What do we do with Bill?
If his running mate(s) is Hillary & Bill, will he have to get someone to taste his food and start his car for him?
Just a thought.
It would be a good team though. He could give the speeches and she could do the debates and interviews. They could tag team. Whenever someone asked a tough question he could just slap her hand and she would jump in and answer. Or perhaps he could sit on her knee and she could slide her hand up his. . . [:O]
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Originally posted by Gaspar
If his running mate(s) is Hillary & Bill, will he have to get someone to taste his food and start his car for him?
Just a thought.
It would be a good team though. He could give the speeches and she could do the debates and interviews. They could tag team. Whenever someone asked a tough question he could just slap her hand and she would jump in and answer. Or perhaps he could sit on her knee and she could slide her hand up his. . . [:O]
Yeah, then McCain/Lieberman would parrot the same act. Lieberman actually knows where stuff is in the middle east and Europe so he could do the debates. Course he couldn't do the hand slap for the tag team cause baldy bruises too easy. Just yell into his good ear. Then Mr. Flipflop sits on Lie-berman's knee while he slips his fist up his...
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Originally posted by we vs us
Since I don't have any money down on this . . .
. . . I'm starting to think that, for all the negative talk, Clinton may actually be the choice. Why else would Obama give both Clintons so much real estate on the convention program? Why else would he allow a symbolic roll call vote at the convention?
And in the end, who can bring the most to the table, electorally? We can argue about who brings a state (Virginia, Indiana, etc), but Clinton brings millions of supporters nationwide.
This (//%22http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/08/obama-says-hes.html?loc=interstitialskip%22)is the quote that set it all off for me:
quote:
In an interview in Chester, Va., the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee said he's made up his mind, but he would not say whether he's informed that person yet. "I won't comment on anything else until I introduce our running mate to the world," he said. "That's all you're going to get out of me."
Obama said it was a difficult decision. "We had some great choices."
Obama said he wanted somebody who is "prepared to be president" and who will be "a partner with me in strengthening this economy for the middle class and working families." He said he was looking for not just a partner but a sparring partner. "I want somebody who's independent, somebody who can push against my preconceived notions and challenge me so we have got a robust debate in the White House."
I assumed the Clintons were getting a lot of time (did I hear correctly that Chelsea will speak as well?) to try and mend the party and unify them, so I took it as a sign that Hillary was completely off the map for a running mate.
You might be on to something, but I think Obama's camp realizes voters might say come November: "no more Bushes or Clintons in the White House for anything more than a meeting or overnight stay."
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by we vs us
Since I don't have any money down on this . . .
. . . I'm starting to think that, for all the negative talk, Clinton may actually be the choice. Why else would Obama give both Clintons so much real estate on the convention program? Why else would he allow a symbolic roll call vote at the convention?
And in the end, who can bring the most to the table, electorally? We can argue about who brings a state (Virginia, Indiana, etc), but Clinton brings millions of supporters nationwide.
This (//%22http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/08/obama-says-hes.html?loc=interstitialskip%22)is the quote that set it all off for me:
quote:
In an interview in Chester, Va., the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee said he's made up his mind, but he would not say whether he's informed that person yet. "I won't comment on anything else until I introduce our running mate to the world," he said. "That's all you're going to get out of me."
Obama said it was a difficult decision. "We had some great choices."
Obama said he wanted somebody who is "prepared to be president" and who will be "a partner with me in strengthening this economy for the middle class and working families." He said he was looking for not just a partner but a sparring partner. "I want somebody who's independent, somebody who can push against my preconceived notions and challenge me so we have got a robust debate in the White House."
Those are good insights. Add to that the realization that polls show HRC supporters are still not moving over to support Obama and you have even more logic for her choice. Already been vetted, already been attacked and survived, ready to serve as running mate and replacement if necessary. I like it. What do we do with Bill?
What to do with Bill is the million dollar question. He's the guy who seems to have taken the primary battles the most personally, and is the most aggrieved.
I think he's best used as an image maker for the USA. He and Gore (not that they'd be traveling together or anything) both have enough cred globally that they could galavant around making speeches, bestowing aid, raising funds for natural disasters, and in general ginning up support for a progressive United States. Call it the Global Citizen Initiative or some such rot, with the US as an exemplar. Clinton cut a nice figure out there with Bush 1, raising money for the typhoon a couple of years ago, and I'd love to see him be the face of American philanthropy around the world.
Of course, keep him far far away from policy matters; no need to have a second (or third) quarterback hogging the ball.
Who better to have for advice than a former sitting President (other than Bush II, I mean)?
I would assume the Clinton brain-trust will be relied upon heavily in Obama's first year, should he be elected. Especially on economic matters and domestic policy.
Looks pretty clear to be Biden....
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Originally posted by pmcalk
Looks pretty clear to be Biden....
Yep, lots of Biden-trumpeting going on out there right now.
It's good, actually. In footage together, they really seem to get along. And Biden can't stop talking about how much experience he has, so that bodes well, too.
The Hillary thing was farfetched, I realize, but damn, it would've been excellent to watch.
WHY BIDEN?!?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOue81Hfqs&eurl=http://www.buzzflash.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swU26scrFc8&eurl=http://www.buzzflash.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPOAKXBi9Pw&eurl=http://www.buzzflash.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1op8vwF5UA&eurl=http://www.buzzflash.com/
He'll rip 'em up good.....
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. Benjamin Franklin