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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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I saw this on tulsaworld.com. Very sad. Their reports indicate it was either a young black Labrador or a small pug. Definitely not the type of dog you expect to inflict this kind of harm.
Very very sad. Condolences for the family.
Wow this is horrible :( This is why I don't watch the news...
Where were the adults? This is SO tragic. Neither of these animals are what you would expect to hear about. This is why BSL doesn't work. No 1 dog is predetermined to be aggressive. They all have teeth...they are all capable.
My heart goes out to the family. Animals and children lost today.
That is no where near east Tulsa. That is deep south Tulsa..... near 101st & Riverside.
"deep south" tulsa...hahaha thats funny.
south tulsa for sure.,,,deep? I dunno about that. I guess it is deep south tulsa if you consider anything evertyhing from I44 down south.
This is very sad. No baby should be left alone with any animal. A dog is still has his "wildside" inside of him. I must admit when I first seen this story I was thinking Pit Bull. This is very tragic.
This is indeed a very sad story. The death of a baby is very tragic. [:(]
I find it hard to believe tho that a small (channel 2 reported 6 weeks old??)black lab puppy and a pug would do this...something is wrong with this story.
Both parents and another adult were in another room for a undisclosed amount of time...not buying the first reports. I think there is more to this story.
I have no idea how it happened...but here is a scenerio. The baby is swinging...the puppy jumps up (playfully) to nips at the baby's legs. Puppy teeth are sharp...and you can see where I am headed. I guess I am trying to find a scenerio that isn't no HORRID. 3 adults, and no one heard anything. I saw the pup as they carried it out to animal control. It truly did look like a very young dog.
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Originally posted by Wilbur
That is no where near east Tulsa. That is deep south Tulsa..... near 101st & Riverside.
I see channel 2 changed the headline now.
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Originally posted by da dawg
This is indeed a very sad story. The death of a baby is very tragic. [:(]
I find it hard to believe tho that a small (channel 2 reported 6 weeks old??)black lab puppy and a pug would do this...something is wrong with this story.
The cause of death is still an assumption at this point. The puppy (which was euthanized) was about the size of the infant.
Tragic doesnt even begin to describe this.
This is such a tragedy! An infant is dead as well as a 6 week old puppy. This should never have have happened to this family. This baby had to be unsupervised for a very long time for this type of occurance to happen. I don't mean to sound insensitive but when I saw the 17 year old parents on TV with their pink hair I had to wonder what the heck they were doing that they didn't hear the baby and where was the grandma...because this baby certainly had to have been crying! To put a 6 week old puppy to sleep when they aren't even sure it was that dog who did this really makes me not only sick but VERY mad. That puppy was probably playing with what it thought was a toy. I hope the police department have an answer for why they acted so swiftly to put this puppy down. I am furious about this whole situation and I hope our DA Tim Harris really looks into this tragedy.
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Originally posted by da dawg
This is such a tragedy! An infant is dead as well as a 6 week old puppy. This should never have have happened to this family. This baby had to be unsupervised for a very long time for this type of occurance to happen. I don't mean to sound insensitive but when I saw the 17 year old parents on TV with their pink hair I had to wonder what the heck they were doing that they didn't hear the baby and where was the grandma...because this baby certainly had to have been crying! To put a 6 week old puppy to sleep when they aren't even sure it was that dog who did this really makes me not only sick but VERY mad. That puppy was probably playing with what it thought was a toy. I hope the police department have an answer for why they acted so swiftly to put this puppy down. I am furious about this whole situation and I hope our DA Tim Harris really looks into this tragedy.
I will be the first to crittercize any Harris decision, but come on, man!
Why so much compassion for the puppy? Sheesh.
I hate to sound like a hard-donkey, but who goes out and gets a puppy when they've got a newborn child? They require almost as much attention as a newborn.
IMHO it's neligence displayed against the baby AND the dogs. I believe I heard they put down the pug as well this morning. Who knows what seventeen yr old parents understand about the care and feeding of babies.
Another example of why we should have spay/neuter laws for people too. The puppy had evidently not been fed in several days and smelled what it considered "food" in the baby's dirty diaper. It was hungry not vicious!!! Neglect charges, both animal and child, should be brought against the baby's "parent".
NOt too long ago I baby sat a friends 2 month old baby - and she has a great set of lungs. When she cried I had no problem hearing her - even in an other room.
3 adults were in the house and no one heard the baby cry when the puppy bit him. At the very least there should be some kind of negligence and they think the baby was left alone unchecked for at least an hour. A 2 moth old baby seems to need something every 15 minutes.
They should have drug tested the parents. There is much more going on here. And if there isn't then the girl really needs to get on birth control before she has another baby. This girl is not ready to be a mother and the grandmother is obviously not all that either.
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Originally posted by Conan71
Why so much compassion for the puppy? Sheesh.
I hate to sound like a hard-donkey, but who goes out and gets a puppy when they've got a newborn child? They require almost as much attention as a newborn.
A lot of people get a puppy when they have a baby. But most people have enough sense to not leave the puppy alone with the baby.
But then, most people don't leave a practically new born infant alone for over an hour without checking on it.
Not a bad puppy - it was doing what puppies do unless they are trained not to.
This was bad parents who didn't feel the need to take care of their baby.
This story stinks to high Heaven.
I hope the TPD doesn't just write this off as being caused by the dog. I have a feeling there is something much more to this. I'm assuming an autopsy will be done to determine cause of death. I wouldn't be surprised to find out the child died of some other cause. Like being left in the backyard in the swing where it died of heat exposure.
And why the hell was a child this young in a swing? No way it had the strength to hold its head up, yet they put it in a swing?
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Originally posted by wavoka
This story stinks to high Heaven.
I hope the TPD doesn't just write this off as being caused by the dog. I have a feeling there is something much more to this. I'm assuming an autopsy will be done to determine cause of death. I wouldn't be surprised to find out the child died of some other cause. Like being left in the backyard in the swing where it died of heat exposure.
And why the hell was a child this young in a swing? No way it had the strength to hold its head up, yet they put it in a swing?
WHY the hurry to euthanize the dog?
The dog is the principal "suspect".
Wouldn't TPD want to verify that the dog bites actually came from that dog's teeth?
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
WHY the hurry to euthanize the dog?
The dog is the principal "suspect".
Wouldn't TPD want to verify that the dog bites actually came from that dog's teeth?
Stomach contents
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Originally posted by wavoka
This story stinks to high Heaven.
I hope the TPD doesn't just write this off as being caused by the dog. I have a feeling there is something much more to this. I'm assuming an autopsy will be done to determine cause of death. I wouldn't be surprised to find out the child died of some other cause. Like being left in the backyard in the swing where it died of heat exposure.
And why the hell was a child this young in a swing? No way it had the strength to hold its head up, yet they put it in a swing?
From KOTV news, dad and granfather left at 8:00 am, mother and grand mother were at opposite ends of the house from the child, child left unnattended for at least an hour and a half. 2 months old left unattended for an hour and a half???????
A minute and a half is too long to leave any young child unattended.
Def. A case of bad parenting and being to immature to have a child....
Leave the child alone for the amount of time...bad move. But think of this too....leave a 2 month old puppy alone in a house (""in a nice neighborhood"" too???? Come on!Plueeeezzzze!
The pup could have mouthed the kid to death .....BUT NOT W/OUT A NORMAL HUMAN HEARING IT!!!
Unless they were comatose and/or NEGLIGENT!
A 2 month old pup of any breed (this is not a breed matter)has super sharp teeth + babies have super soft skin....pup was a Lab (smart, curious; we hope) kid was in a spring wind up chair swing maybee going back and forth in motion = a game of fetch to canine pup + possible blood atraction, wiggles, noises + worthless (imo!) humanoids in the residence (not just because of their appearance) = the tragedy we are all commenting on.
Was the pup covered in blood? Did the bite marks match up? Did they drug test the humanoids present? (I hate drug testing; but not in this case)This is a good case to test our D.A.'s office. I think something is fishy if there is not a HUGE case in regard to this matter.
It was earlier reported that police ordered the puppy put down, but now KOTV quoted Jean Letcher with the Animal Welfare Shelter as saying they made the decision immediately because city "requires any animal that bites a person to be euthanized."
The ordinance doesnt require that, however, just suggests that as an option. Only a period of quarantine is required.
"In the case of a bite inflicted by a nonimmunized animal upon the head, face, neck or upper extremities, resulting in deep lacerations or multiple wounds, the Director may require immediate euthanasia of the animal in order to perform tests for diagnosis of rabies. http://www.cityoftulsa.org/ourcity/ordinances/ordinances/2ANIMALS.pdf
Werent these the same people misquoting state law when they put down some dogs last month that people were trying to adopt?
The grave issue here is that a child has been denied its right to grow up; and more so for the circumstances as implied by the parents' testimony. In regards to the puppy, that is sad as well but the death of an infant due to possible neglect by parents is a much larger shame.
Does anyone else think this whole story is weird? How does a 6 week old labrador puppy kill a baby? It seems almost unfathomable especially with NO sound????? This just doesn't add up.
it was the pug and the cats.
they set-up the "black" dog to take the fall.
ever seen "homeward bound"? that duo can do all sortsa ****.
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Originally posted by patric
It was earlier reported that police ordered the puppy put down, but now KOTV quoted Jean Letcher with the Animal Welfare Shelter as saying they made the decision immediately because city "requires any animal that bites a person to be euthanized."
The ordinance doesnt require that, however, just suggests that as an option. Only a period of quarantine is required.
"In the case of a bite inflicted by a nonimmunized animal upon the head, face, neck or upper extremities, resulting in deep lacerations or multiple wounds, the Director may require immediate euthanasia of the animal in order to perform tests for diagnosis of rabies. http://www.cityoftulsa.org/ourcity/ordinances/ordinances/2ANIMALS.pdf
Werent these the same people misquoting state law when they put down some dogs last month that people were trying to adopt?
maybe they will do a post mortem on the dog and look for confirmation... just a thought.
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Originally posted by OUGrad05
Does anyone else think this whole story is weird? How does a 6 week old labrador puppy kill a baby? It seems almost unfathomable especially with NO sound????? This just doesn't add up.
Babies cry before they go to sleep all the time, and neonatal cries are all pretty desperate sounding things. Baby cries for a couple minutes while the dog is happily tearing away at the diaper while baby swings back and forth, maybe cries a little louder when its artery gets hit, whimpers as it bleeds out.
Tim-
That is exactly what I heard happened. Grandpa innocently put the baby in the swing before he left for work..dad had left already and mom and grandma were still sleeping. The baby pooped in its diaper and puppy went after it....gross I know but some dogs like that. Then the senerio played out pretty much like what you said. The reason they put the puppy down was to get confirmation of stomach contents. Sad but true....
Oh and I wanted to clarify one thing I said in another post. When I said I hoped our DA really investigates this...I meant no disrespect to Tim Harris...I voted for him, respect and like him and would vote for him again. (Voice inflection doesn't come across in written words and PLEASE as much as some of you may want to....no bashing Tim Harris in this thread now)
Here in Phoenix and Maricopa County there are several infant and child deaths per year due to drowning (//%22http://www.azfamily.com/extra/KTVKExtra20070830.864ac17c.html%22), approximately 20 per year for the county. There is a slogan that is broadcast on radio and TV as a reminder, "Two seconds, is too long". It's usally a case of bad judgement which it sounds like happened in this case. People need to pay attention to their children and to whats going on. When my son was very young, I never let him out of my sight, his safety was more important than whatever I was doing at the time.
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Originally posted by da dawg
Tim-
That is exactly what I heard happened. Grandpa innocently put the baby in the swing before he left for work..dad had left already and mom and grandma were still sleeping. The baby pooped in its diaper and puppy went after it....gross I know but some dogs like that. Then the senerio played out pretty much like what you said. The reason they put the puppy down was to get confirmation of stomach contents. Sad but true....
Oh and I wanted to clarify one thing I said in another post. When I said I hoped our DA really investigates this...I meant no disrespect to Tim Harris...I voted for him, respect and like him and would vote for him again. (Voice inflection doesn't come across in written words and PLEASE as much as some of you may want to....no bashing Tim Harris in this thread now)
From the NewsOn6 :Mother Charged (//%22http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=8788176%22)
Babies cry before they go to sleep all the time, and neonatal cries are all pretty desperate sounding things. Baby cries for a couple minutes while the dog is happily tearing away at the diaper while baby swings back and forth, maybe cries a little louder when its artery gets hit, whimpers as it bleeds out.
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First off that's a horrible post . . . secondly, I am by FAR not a perfect mother, but a 6 week old should never be left to cry for the amount of time it would have taken for a dog to eat them. NO WAY. If I wanted to let my baby fuss it out for a minute or two, I would be standing outside their door . . . not sleeping rooms away. When our babies slept in swings (which they often did . . . whatever it takes!) either my husband or I slept on the couch next to them. Sorry, no sympathy for that mom. And from what I've heard, I'm not sure that her guilt is "punishment" enough, does she even feel guilty? This is such a sad and sick deal.
The baby didn't have an "artery nicked" it was "mauled" and "eaten alive." All parents need to be near enough to their kids that even if they are asleep, they would hear something like that. Also, parents need to be especially mindful with small pets in the house around kids to avoid all sorts of possible accidents.
When the only response from the family so far has been "We want the other dog back now" I feel fairly certain that remorse is not the #1 thing on their minds.
The Mom was probably stoned off her a__ and couldn't wake up. If this woman is smart she will take whatever pea is offered because a jury will be far less civil than any lawyer.
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Originally posted by tulsa_fan
First off that's a horrible post . . . secondly, I am by FAR not a perfect mother, but a 6 week old should never be left to cry for the amount of time it would have taken for a dog to eat them. NO WAY. If I wanted to let my baby fuss it out for a minute or two, I would be standing outside their door . . . not sleeping rooms away. When our babies slept in swings (which they often did . . . whatever it takes!) either my husband or I slept on the couch next to them. Sorry, no sympathy for that mom. And from what I've heard, I'm not sure that her guilt is "punishment" enough, does she even feel guilty? This is such a sad and sick deal.
How long does it take for an artery to bleed out? Do you know? The dog chewed the baby's genitalia off. OK? Got it? The femoral artery is not hard to puncture. Sorry that upset you.
The mom should be glad she is not 'of color' or she would have been charged with 1st degree manslaughter for being the owner of the dog. No sympathy? Then you should be beating the drum for manslaughter.
The DA is setting an impossibly high standard for child care. Two hours without a check-in? Every night and during naps that would be moi. Does it matter it was two hours or fifteen minutes? The baby was dead in minutes so the time between checkups is immaterial.
Here is a paper about a women being charged with negligent homicide in the death of her 10 month old child drowning death (//%22http://www.west.asu.edu/paloverde/Prison.htm%22) and here is one that happend over the weekend kids locked in trunk (//%22http://www.azcentral.com/community/scottsdale/articles/2008/08/05/20080805trunk0806ON.html%22).
There are roughly 20 drowning deaths per year of children under 4, and approximately 6 deaths per year from kids being left or getting locked in cars and dying from heat exposure. 99% of these are preventable if parents would pay more attention to their children.
Arizona overall stats. (//%22http://www.azdhs.gov/plan/report/comp/comp05.pdf%22)
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Originally posted by tulsa_fan
First off that's a horrible post . . . secondly, I am by FAR not a perfect mother, but a 6 week old should never be left to cry for the amount of time it would have taken for a dog to eat them. NO WAY. If I wanted to let my baby fuss it out for a minute or two, I would be standing outside their door . . . not sleeping rooms away. When our babies slept in swings (which they often did . . . whatever it takes!) either my husband or I slept on the couch next to them. Sorry, no sympathy for that mom. And from what I've heard, I'm not sure that her guilt is "punishment" enough, does she even feel guilty? This is such a sad and sick deal.
How long does it take for an artery to bleed out? Do you know? The dog chewed the baby's genitalia off. OK? Got it? The femoral artery is not hard to puncture. Sorry that upset you.
The mom should be glad she is not 'of color' or she would have been charged with 1st degree manslaughter for being the owner of the dog. No sympathy? Then you should be beating the drum for manslaughter.
The DA is setting an impossibly high standard for child care. Two hours without a check-in? Every night and during naps that would be moi. Does it matter it was two hours or fifteen minutes? The baby was dead in minutes so the time between checkups is immaterial.
1. While an infant may fall asleep in a swing, it is not a safe place for an infant to sleep unattended. Any parent should know this.
2. Any parent with a sleeping infant this age is going to either remain in a location where they can easily hear the baby wake up (much less scream in pain) or have a baby monitor.
3. This didn't happen in middle of the night with a sleeping infant. This was mid-morning with not just one but two adults in the house.
4. This baby had to scream in pain for an extended period of time and human infants are very loud when in distress much less in severe danger/pain. Any parent knows what a child left awake alone for just a few minutes at this age sounds like, much less what one under attack sounds like. These extremely loud high pitched sounds are basic instinctual responses to call the mother to get/protect the child. 65 feet is probably too far to be from a sleeping infant of this age so that you can hear the baby wake up before they start screaming. But even at twice that distance you should be able to plainly hear a screaming baby that has woken up and wants attention. I can't imagine what a infant under attack like this sounds like, but it's going to several times louder than one with a wet diaper.
This makes exactly zero sense. Something is very wrong here.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
When the only response from the family so far has been "We want the other dog back now" I feel fairly certain that remorse is not the #1 thing on their minds.
You dont really think that the other dog was the only thing on their mind, do you?
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Originally posted by patric
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
When the only response from the family so far has been "We want the other dog back now" I feel fairly certain that remorse is not the #1 thing on their minds.
You dont really think that the other dog was the only thing on their mind, do you?
Maybe they associate that dog with happy memories of their baby.
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Maybe they associate that dog with happy memories of their baby.
...and making an effort to keep it from also being destroyed might be an attempt at trying to pull themselves back together after a tragedy.
From that angle, it would make sense.
Without making any calls as to the family being right or wrong, watching the state take away everything else they loved may have seemed like salt in the wound.
So the point of charging the parents is what? Prevention? Punishment? Three babies were smothered to do death in their parents' beds last year. No charges? Huh. Garsh Olive they should have been charged with manslaughter, because EVERYONE knows not to sleep with babies. EVERYONE.