What is wrong with these two? Were they abused as children? Made fun of on the playground one too many times? Is everything a conspiracy with them?
They talk about how certain other media outlets are biased but please give me a break. These two are the most biased people with the biggest agendas I have ever seen or hears. If you don't agree with everything they say, you are wrong and they will use their bully pulpits to ridicule you. If you call the Urban Tulsa Weekly, KFAQ and their two blogs bully pulpits which is very arguable.
I loved it when Pat Campbell called out Bates the other morning on his show after Bates suggested on his blog that Pat should have Medlock on Pat's show to ask questions (implying that Pat didn't know what to ask). When Pat called Bates, Bates sounded like an absolute fool and back peddled all the way. Good job Pat. Don't take any of their crap. But you need to watch out, because if you don't take their crap, you will become the subject of their ridicule. I'm glad Pat has his own bully pulpit from which to stick up for himself.
Could someone please post a picture of the Three Amigos with the faces of Medlock, Bates and Biggs?
As a fair warning, Bates and Medlock are both posters here (under their own names). Speak your mind by all means, just letting you know that you might expect a rebuttal. For whatever that's worth.
BUT, I agree that Bates enjoys his platform and is not afraid to share his view from it. I don't always agree with him, and sometimes I think he is too authoritative and less discussion oriented (hah! I said that). However, he backs his opinions and PAYS ATTENTION.
I'm too lazy to pay close enough attention to politics. As much as Bates, Medlock and others can bother me from time to time - I appreciate that they pay attention and call "the man" out from time to time. Keeps 'em honest.
I like that they pay close attention to politics and offer an alternative to Lortonworld.
I don't like that neither seems to ever enunciate an alternative vision for Tulsa. Medlock particularly seems to be on board with the "downtown=71st and memorial" crowd.
Edit: I wasn't clear enough. All I ever hear from their respective blogs is "no." Developments that occur that they don't oppose are met with silence. In messageboard parlance, they're more like "gloomers" than "sunshine pumpers."
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Originally posted by No Sugar Please
What is wrong with these two? Were they abused as children? Made fun of on the playground one too many times? Is everything a conspiracy with them?
They talk about how certain other media outlets are biased but please give me a break. These two are the most biased people with the biggest agendas I have ever seen or hears. If you don't agree with everything they say, you are wrong and they will use their bully pulpits to ridicule you. If you call the Urban Tulsa Weekly, KFAQ and their two blogs bully pulpits which is very arguable.
I loved it when Pat Campbell called out Bates the other morning on his show after Bates suggested on his blog that Pat should have Medlock on Pat's show to ask questions (implying that Pat didn't know what to ask). When Pat called Bates, Bates sounded like an absolute fool and back peddled all the way. Good job Pat. Don't take any of their crap. But you need to watch out, because if you don't take their crap, you will become the subject of their ridicule. I'm glad Pat has his own bully pulpit from which to stick up for himself.
Could someone please post a picture of the Three Amigos with the faces of Medlock, Bates and Biggs?
I see that this is your First Post to this Forum
Let me say, Welcome to the Tulsanow.org Forum.
As far as I can tell, the only things wrong with Chris Medlock and Michael Bates is that are not seated on one or more of the multitude of city of Tulsa's Boards, Commissions or Authorities, where they could bring their experience and interest to problems confronting our city.
I think their experience and interest in politics in general and city politics in particular make them excellent candidates for these august bodies which rule on our behalf many of the public policy decisions in Tulsa.
Both have in the past aspired to higher office, with Chris a two-term city councilor, and Michael an unsuccessful candidate for city council 2x.
Chris was the leadership individual derisively referred to by the Tulsa World a.k.a. The Lorton's World as "The Gang of Five".
The eclectic Gang of Five were 3 GOP and 2 Democrat elected city councilors desirous of REFORM.
They actively asking questions about city water policy, board/authority/commission appointments, and other city actions such as taxpayer funding of Great Plains Airlines, which went bust after only three years and $40 million in our tax dollars.
For asking too many questions, especially about city water policy and GPA, a group of local developers and builders and the Lorton's financed a Recall effort under our City Charter's then extremely liberal Recall provisions.
Chris and Michael survived Recall with a grass-roots anti-recall campaign, and brought light on various opaque city policies and practices by showing who the Puppet Masters are directing city government policy.
Like lack of a city Ethics Policy for city employees and appointees. Requiring appointees to boards, commissioner and authorities to actually LIVE in the city of Tulsa.
And, 40 Year water contracts to subsidize growth in Tulsa suburban incorporated towns like Jenks, Owasso and Bixby.
Both men are native Tulsans, although I think Michael may actually be from Catoosa, but has lived in city of Tulsa for decades.
They attended public school hereabouts, although I think Michael may have graduated from the prestigious Holland Hall private school.
Chris went to college at UCAT and TU majoring in Business, and Bates graduated from M.I.T. with a degree in Computer Science.
If you don't agree with them, both have blogs where you can posit your views.
www.medblogged.com
www.batesline.com
i think someone is pissed that they have been catching our local cronies and thugs red handed. I bet if Medlock hadn't uncovered the plane trip Patrick took with a lobbiest on board, it owuld have never been mentioned.
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Originally posted by Floyd
I like that they pay close attention to politics and offer an alternative to Lortonworld.
I don't like that neither seems to ever enunciate an alternative vision for Tulsa. Medlock particularly seems to be on board with the "downtown=71st and memorial" crowd.
Edit: I wasn't clear enough. All I ever hear from their respective blogs is "no." Developments that occur that they don't oppose are met with silence. In messageboard parlance, they're more like "gloomers" than "sunshine pumpers."
If that's all you hear from me, you have selective hearing. I regularly boost businesses and events that add life to the city. I devoted my May 21st column (//%22http://www.urbantulsa.com/gyrobase/Archive?author=oid%3A14854%22) to several exciting new developments -- Joe Momma's downtown location, the opening of Ida Red on Brookside, progress on the First Street Lofts. During the discussion of the Channels, I suggested alternatives that would create the kind of urban riverside experience Tulsans seem to want.
In the last week, most of my blog entries have been about the District 2 County Commission race because that's the hot story right now -- the most immediate opportunity Tulsans have to do something that will make a significant change in local government. But I've also plugged the grand opening of Ida Red, announced a free Sand Springs concert by the Pendleton Family Fiddlers, saluted Absolute Best of Tulsa wins by the Coffee House on Cherry Street and Callupsie (and close calls for Shades of Brown and
Tulsa World music blogger Jennifer Chancellor), and even tried to fix up the Golden Driller with the Goddess of Oil.
Last month I wrote a glowing review of Joyner's soul food place at 21st & Memorial, saluted Ron Warnick and Emily Priddy for their Route 66 honors, Brady Village for being one of the best places in the country to buy an old house, and the College Hill Associations of Merchants and Professionals.
At the same time, I get e-mails all the time from people who are upset about some foolishness or injustice at the planning commission or the county courthouse or City Hall. They ask me to look into the issues, figure out what's going on, and to shine some light on the situation. I do what I can, but there are only so many hours in the day. If we had a daily paper that was about the business of afflicting the comfortable and comforting the afflicted (instead of vice versa), I wouldn't have to spend so much of my time on negative stuff.
While it's true that I've never articulated a vision for the city in some sort of comprehensive manifesto, I think it can be found in what I've written, even if in a piecemeal fashion. Maybe I should write a book.
Sometimes I think that people who call me 100% negative are focused entirely on massive taxpayer-funded projects. "Where's your vision?" really means "So where's your plan to fix Tulsa with hundreds of millions of dollars in new taxpayer-funded construction?"
You're not likely to see me back any such plan because grand project plans usually don't fulfill the dramatic promises made for them. Instead I subscribe to Roberta Brandes Gratz's notion of "urban husbandry." If I may quote myself (//%22http://209.85.215.104/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=weT&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Farchives.urbantulsa.com%2Farticle.asp%3Fid%3D3623&btnG=Search%22):
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In the late '90s, journalist Roberta Brandes Gratz traveled to cities cross the U.S., looking at examples of successful and unsuccessful urban revitalization efforts. She identified two basic approaches to reviving urban centers: Project Planning and Urban Husbandry.
Project Planning involves massive amounts of money, mostly tax dollars, for massive public works projects like arenas, downtown malls, and convention centers. Politicians like this sort of thing -- it's big, it's visible, and at the end of the day, there's something that can be named in honor of whoever persuaded citizens to raise their own taxes to build it.
But the big Project Plans rarely work. They don't create lively places that are self-sustaining. Often big Project Plans destroy the beginnings of urban rebirth that, properly tended, could take root and spread.
To the effective alternative strategy Gratz saw at work across the country, Gratz gave the name Urban Husbandry. Like gardening, Urban Husbandry involves working with the life that is already present in a place. It involves identifying positive trends and building on them, working with human nature, not against it.
A big Project Plan imposes a sterile sameness on its surroundings. Urban Husbandry makes the most of the uniqueness and variety present in a place.
Urban Husbandry doesn't have as much appeal for politicians and the media, because it involves a lot of little, low-profile efforts to improve an area. Nevertheless, all those little efforts have a larger impact than the big projects on making a city more livable, lively, and attractive.
As for Pat Campbell, I think he's doing a great job. I've been pleased at how much time he devotes to local issues on KFAQ, and in particular at his willingness to cover PLANiTULSA, doing in-depth interviews with John Fregonese and Robin Rather.
Still, he's only been here three months, and even the quickest study can absorb only so much local political lore in that time, so why not bring in a fellow KFAQ host with an encyclopedic knowledge of local politics to help with the debate? Especially when one of the debaters is a politician like No Sugar Please's Aunt Randi, who has a tendency to give answers that sound reasonable, unless you happen to remember the event or her own statement that completely contradicts her point.
I meant no insult to Pat by what I wrote, and Pat knew it. In fact he e-mailed me that afternoon to say he wasn't really upset with me, but it made for some good talk radio.
. . . what happens when Mikey drinks a Cherry Coke . . . (//%22http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6710362855241318851&q=michael+bates&ei=BgaJSPA0ivatAvSbiMII%22)
No, Tim, that's what happens when No Sugar Please's Aunt Randi twists and spins what's written in black and white in a legal document.
Anyway, it was a Coke Zero.
I will defend Michael Bates because he is entertaining. I like his Tulsa history stuff, his western swing columns and respect him for fighting for neighborhood power in neighborhood decisions. We argue often, but I respect him all the time (except for the week or two before general elections where we support different candidates). I also like that he writes for Urban Tulsa, the top alternative paper in the region. I have started writing a weekly column again for a little paper and know that it is hard work.
Chris Medlock pales to him. He works for a low-rated radio station (dropped another slot in the market this quarter), and does nothing but name-drop and act virtuous. He has also started threads on his blog attacking me and has been rude to me in person. I feel no reason to be nice back. Maybe I am just missing something, but if he left town, few would miss him.
I haven't listened to Pat Campbell enough to have a good feel about him. I thought he kind of struggled with the Randi/Sally debate the other day, but it was probably too hard of an assignment. The interviewees were not easy. He has a good voice, and even though we disagree politically, he seems to try to make valid points.
Holy smokes, was it the red dye, then? [:D]
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I will defend Michael Bates because he is entertaining. I like his Tulsa history stuff, his western swing columns and respect him for fighting for neighborhood power in neighborhood decisions. We argue often, but I respect him all the time (except for the week or two before general elections where we support different candidates). I also like that he writes for Urban Tulsa, the top alternative paper in the region. I have started writing a weekly column again for a little paper and know that it is hard work.
Thanks for your kind words, Michael. I always enjoyed your pieces for Infinity Press. Where can we read your new stuff?
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Originally posted by MichaelBates
QuoteI've been pleased at how much time he devotes to local issues on KFAQ, and in particular at his willingness to cover PLANiTULSA, doing in-depth interviews with John Fregonese and Robin Rather.
When and where are these Partners and Advisors meetings? Is the public allowed to attend? Are there agendas and minutes available for public review? Are they being recorded for TGOV? Do they even have to comply with the Open Meetings Act? I sure would like some answers to these questions.
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Originally posted by MichaelBates
Where can we read your new stuff?
I write a 400 word article on environmental stuff for the Tulsa County News. It is a west Tulsa County paper that comes out on Wednesdays.
400 words is the hard part. When you don't know what you are talking about it is hard to know when to stop.
Why do people post threads that simply amount to "I don't like him so I don't agree with what he says" Or the converse, "I don't agree with what he says so I don't like him."
Perhaps I missed that course in speech and debate but I can't grasp the concept of how that furthers anything constructive. It sure doesn't make those that you support look better for having you fighting their PR battles.
Now, if you want to bring up specific things they they said you didn't agree with, then we can have a discussion... otherwise it is senseless, childish whining. Of course, you may like that kind of dialog or are not able to debate the issues. (hmm sounds like someone else I know.) ;)
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Chris Medlock pales to him. He works for a low-rated radio station (dropped another slot in the market this quarter), and does nothing but name-drop and act virtuous. He has also started threads on his blog attacking me and has been rude to me in person.
maybe because you are one of the mayor's patsies?
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Chris Medlock pales to him. He works for a low-rated radio station (dropped another slot in the market this quarter), and does nothing but name-drop and act virtuous. He has also started threads on his blog attacking me and has been rude to me in person.
maybe because you are one of the mayor's patsies?
Nice effort to slam me, but once again, you are clueless. Medlock was way ruder to me when LaFortune was Mayor.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Chris Medlock pales to him. He works for a low-rated radio station (dropped another slot in the market this quarter), and does nothing but name-drop and act virtuous. He has also started threads on his blog attacking me and has been rude to me in person.
maybe because you are one of the mayor's patsies?
Nice effort to slam me, but once again, you are clueless. Medlock was way ruder to me when LaFortune was Mayor.
really? How so? i've read his slams on you, and they really didn't amount to much of anything...which is pretty appropriate when you think about it.
Your involvement in a matter concerning me and any person is not necessary. I feel no reason to answer your questions.
Have you stopped kicking your dog? Yes or No?
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
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Originally posted by MichaelBates
Where can we read your new stuff?
I write a 400 word article on environmental stuff for the Tulsa County News. It is a west Tulsa County paper that comes out on Wednesdays.
400 words is the hard part. When you don't know what you are talking about it is hard to know when to stop.
Recycle:
Please keep publishing those necessary environmental stories to educate west Tulsa Trailer Trash like RWarn.
Those toothless, clueless hillbillies married to their sister need some educatin' to stop dumpin' their yard trash just across the county line in Creek County.
Them Sellers Family that runs Creek County ain't gonna like them messin' up Creek County. Nosiree They run it, and don't yu forget it ever agin.
And, thanks for confirming you're a Demoncrate.
It figures as you've been up Mayor Taylor's posterior so far you've got a permanently stained nose.
Did you mention lately that Karen Keith was a founder of the TulsaNow organization?
After the sad spectacle of TWO downtown TAX and SPEND projects failed to keep the concrete flowing for the benefit of the Rooney and Flint Oligarch Families.
Such sadness!
Guess you forgot in all the excitement of her run for Tulsa County Commissioner.
If KKKeith loses her election as Co. Commish, she can always go back to shilling for the local power establishment, right?
Then again, maybe she won't ever stop shilling for them?
Right?
Or, she'll just return to selling ice cubes to Eskimoes.
Or, gulling the voters into approving the next edition of Vision 2025.
Vision 2055?
Vision 2025: It's
ALL ABOUT JOBS.That was their Sales Pitch.
or, maybe she'll be hawking Vigo dog food again.
[:D]
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
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Originally posted by MichaelBates
Where can we read your new stuff?
I write a 400 word article on environmental stuff for the Tulsa County News. It is a west Tulsa County paper that comes out on Wednesdays.
400 words is the hard part. When you don't know what you are talking about it is hard to know when to stop.
Recycle: Please keep publishing those environmental stories to educate west Tulsa Trailer Trash like RWarn.
Those toothless hillbillies need some educatin' to stop dumpin' their trash just across the county line in Creek County.
And, thanks for confirming you're a Demoncrate.
It figures.
Did you mention lately that Karen Keith was a founder of the TulsaNow organization?
Guess you forgot in all the excitement of her run for County Commissioner.
If she loses, she can always go back to shilling for the local power establishment, right?
Then again, maybe she won't ever stop shilling for them?
Right?
Or, return to selling ice cubes to Eskimoes.
or, hawking Vigo dog food.
[:D]
Wow, for someone who *****es and moans about 'personal attacks' in topics, you sure aren't averse to dispensing them, are you?
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
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Originally posted by MichaelBates
Where can we read your new stuff?
I write a 400 word article on environmental stuff for the Tulsa County News. It is a west Tulsa County paper that comes out on Wednesdays.
400 words is the hard part. When you don't know what you are talking about it is hard to know when to stop.
Recycle: Please keep publishing those environmental stories to educate west Tulsa Trailer Trash like RWarn.
Those toothless hillbillies need some educatin' to stop dumpin' their trash just across the county line in Creek County.
And, thanks for confirming you're a Demoncrate.
It figures.
Did you mention lately that Karen Keith was a founder of the TulsaNow organization?
Guess you forgot in all the excitement of her run for County Commissioner.
If she loses, she can always go back to shilling for the local power establishment, right?
Then again, maybe she won't ever stop shilling for them?
Right?
Or, return to selling ice cubes to Eskimoes.
or, hawking Vigo dog food.
[:D]
Wow, for someone who *****es and moans about 'personal attacks' in topics, you sure aren't averse to dispensing them, are you?
(http://go-dl3.eve-files.com/media/0608/pot_kettle_black.jpg)
Recycle has BIG shoulders to handle any minor criticisms of his political viewpoint and attitude in this Forum.
I'm sure he certainly won't suffer a myocardial infarction because of a minor amount of commentary on this illustrious forum.
Nitroglycerine kept at hand, right?
AED Defrib. close at hand, right?
Then, read on, TrashMan.
And, I'm very happy to pointedly ignore Goldilocks serial personal attacks on the FB in the Political Arena Forum.
After all, he's only doing his job.
Right?
He's only trying to provoke an intemperate response so that the Forum Administrator has a pretext to lock a thread with 1,000's of views.
Right?
But, Goldilocks is really a juvenile, vile miscreant, would't you say?
Didn't get his tushy spanked often enough when a child.
But, it's just his job.
NOTHING personal, of course.
Really.
SOMEONE just doesn't like WHAT's being said hereabouts
Tee-Hee.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
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Originally posted by MichaelBates
Where can we read your new stuff?
I write a 400 word article on environmental stuff for the Tulsa County News. It is a west Tulsa County paper that comes out on Wednesdays.
400 words is the hard part. When you don't know what you are talking about it is hard to know when to stop.
Recycle:
Please keep publishing those necessary environmental stories to educate west Tulsa Trailer Trash like RWarn.
Those toothless, clueless hillbillies married to their sister need some educatin' to stop dumpin' their yard trash just across the county line in Creek County.
Now, now, there's no trash in my trailer. [:D]
Actually, I recycle.
And use compact fluorescent bulbs.
And use Energy Star appliances.
And don't use pesticides.
And get 90 percent of my electricity from solar panels.
So RecycleMichael doesn't need to preach to me. I'm in his choir. [^]
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Recycle has BIG shoulders to handle any minor criticisms of his political viewpoint and attitude in this Forum.
I'm sure he certainly won't suffer a myocardial infarction because of a minor amount of commentary on this illustrious forum.
Nitroglycerine kept at hand, right?
AED Defrib. close at hand, right?
Then, read on, TrashMan.
And, I'm very happy to pointedly ignore Goldilocks serial personal attacks on the FB in the Political Arena Forum.
After all, he's only doing his job.
Right?
He's only trying to provoke an intemperate response so that the Forum Administrator has a pretext to lock a thread with 1,000's of views.
Right?
But, Goldilocks is really a juvenile, vile miscreant, would't you say?
Didn't get his tushy spanked often enough when a child.
But, it's just his job.
NOTHING personal, of course.
Really.
SOMEONE just doesn't like WHAT's being said hereabouts
Tee-Hee.
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Hey, D!cktuck Bear . . .
Thanks for admitting I get under your skin.
I own you!!!!
[:O]
I enjoy Bates' knowledge of Tulsa history and the western swing stuff. The Springsteen link was a real treat.
The article on the judicial elections a couple of years ago was probably the worst thing I've read for several years. Opala is not the model for the Oklahoma Supreme Court and if you want to throw Wiseman out of office, you really don't know what you're talking about. I mean, it was BAD and uninformed.
Medlock is a turd blossom.
Really, though, I'm not sure this thread needed to happen. Neither of those guys needs their ego inflated anymore. I did enjoy the link of Bates going crazy.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Did you mention lately that Karen Keith was a founder of the TulsaNow organization?
You are making Ms. Keith more and more attractive everyday. Keep up the good work!
[:D]
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Did you mention lately that Karen Keith was a founder of the TulsaNow organization?
You are making Ms. Keith more and more attractive everyday. Keep up the good work!
[:D]
She was so heartbroken that the 1997 "Tulsa Project" and the 2000 "It's Tulsa's Time" downtown tax-and-spend projects had both failed, that she was motivated to convene a coven of Tax Vampires to figure out a more effective way to fleece the taxpayers with a NEW sales tax.
Not surprisingly, when Mayor Bill MisFortunate became Mayor, he immediately started pushing for a new tax to build an Arena downtown.
He hired Karen Keith as his salesperson mouthpiece to help sell it to the voters.
While on the city payroll, she did her best to make Tulsa's poor and struggling middle class even POORER with a new, thirteen year sales tax that will vacumn $100,000,000's from Tulsa taxpayers.
What new taxes is she planning if she gets elected County Commissioner?
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
While on the city payroll, she did her best to make Tulsa's poor and struggling middle class even POORER with a new, thirteen year sales tax that will vacumn $100,000,000's from Tulsa taxpayers.
And I guess that they were "stupid" enough to vote in the affirmative for it. [;)]
Or, are you saying the Karen Keith has superpowers that hypnotized people into voting for it?
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]Originally posted by Friendly Bear
What new taxes is she planning if she gets elected County Commissioner?
Whatever they are, if they improve the county and are voted for in the affirmative by the people, then I suppose I will pay them.
No Sugar Please's Aunt Randi? I bet it took you every ounce of your M.I.T. education to come up with that one. By the way, did your parents pay for your high powered Holland Hall education or did you go there on a scholarship subsidized by the very family that you curse on daily basis?
A couple of posters have come to your rescue. I disagree with them. I think your posts are completely biased and are used to promote your and Medlock's agenda. You constantly critize the Tulsa World for being biased when they write something and biased when they don't write something. Please tell us why you didn't do an in depth article on your blog when your former pal Michael D. was kicked out of a casino or two and verbally assaulted a female poker dealer? Please tell us why you haven't written an in depth article on the reason as to why your pal Medlock doesn't work at T.V. Guide anymore? Do you know the real reason? Does KFAQ know the real reason?
While some of the posters have stuck up for you; hardly any have stuck up for Medlock. Where there is smoke there is fire. Haven't you ever heard of guilt by association. Do you let your kids hand out with the troublemakers? How do you feel about Obama hanging out with his beloved pastor? The same logic applies to you, Michael D. and Medlock. You may have started your crusade with noble goals but you have turned into your own self serving, biased media outlet.
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Originally posted by Floyd
I like that they pay close attention to politics and offer an alternative to Lortonworld.
I don't like that neither seems to ever enunciate an alternative vision for Tulsa. Medlock particularly seems to be on board with the "downtown=71st and memorial" crowd.
Edit: I wasn't clear enough. All I ever hear from their respective blogs is "no." Developments that occur that they don't oppose are met with silence. In messageboard parlance, they're more like "gloomers" than "sunshine pumpers."
I'll go ahead and retract this. The whole thread is silly--shouldn't have bit. Agree or disagree, Bates add to the civic discussion in a civil, intelligent fashion.
I thoroughly enjoy Bates articles in the UT. Its what really sparked my interest in the innards of Tulsa. Maybe, if I can ever get back to midtown where I grew up, I'd be more active in local meetings.
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Originally posted by Floyd
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Originally posted by Floyd
I like that they pay close attention to politics and offer an alternative to Lortonworld.
I don't like that neither seems to ever enunciate an alternative vision for Tulsa. Medlock particularly seems to be on board with the "downtown=71st and memorial" crowd.
Edit: I wasn't clear enough. All I ever hear from their respective blogs is "no." Developments that occur that they don't oppose are met with silence. In messageboard parlance, they're more like "gloomers" than "sunshine pumpers."
I'll go ahead and retract this. The whole thread is silly--shouldn't have bit. Agree or disagree, Bates add to the civic discussion in a civil, intelligent fashion.
I don't think you were around for the Delgiorno days. Anyone who got involved with that asshat is sketchy. That was often the exact opposite of civil, honest discussion.
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Originally posted by Gold
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Originally posted by Floyd
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Originally posted by Floyd
I like that they pay close attention to politics and offer an alternative to Lortonworld.
I don't like that neither seems to ever enunciate an alternative vision for Tulsa. Medlock particularly seems to be on board with the "downtown=71st and memorial" crowd.
Edit: I wasn't clear enough. All I ever hear from their respective blogs is "no." Developments that occur that they don't oppose are met with silence. In messageboard parlance, they're more like "gloomers" than "sunshine pumpers."
I'll go ahead and retract this. The whole thread is silly--shouldn't have bit. Agree or disagree, Bates add to the civic discussion in a civil, intelligent fashion.
I don't think you were around for the Delgiorno days. Anyone who got involved with that asshat is sketchy. That was often the exact opposite of civil, honest discussion.
Yeah, I was, and I'm glad he's gone. That's where my initial assessment came from. But it's not really grounded in the present though, and I made a mistake by using past associations in the current discussion.
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
While on the city payroll, she did her best to make Tulsa's poor and struggling middle class even POORER with a new, thirteen year sales tax that will vacumn $100,000,000's from Tulsa taxpayers.
And I guess that they were "stupid" enough to vote in the affirmative for it. [;)]
Or, are you saying the Karen Keith has superpowers that hypnotized people into voting for it?
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]Originally posted by Friendly Bear
What new taxes is she planning if she gets elected County Commissioner?
Whatever they are, if they improve the county and are voted for in the affirmative by the people, then I suppose I will pay them.
The same people who craft effective advertising campaigns to sell people cars, vacations, toothpaste, etc., also apply their creative talents to SELLING NEW TAXES.
The Vote Yes organization, because their is NO LIMIT on a ballot initiative, spent over $1,000,000 to promote the tax.
The vote NO Dis-Organization raised and spent about $15,000.
That is about as unbalanced contest as you could have.
Their cunning message back in 2003, coming out two years of bad economy in Tulsa due to the dot.com and telecom bust which drained 30,000 good paying jobs out of Tulsa, was:
It's All About Jobs.
And, they used the Voter Bait of "Boeing is coming to Town" to gull the voters into approving the tax.
The county election board said it passed by 60%.
Maybe it did.
Maybe.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
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Originally posted by MichaelBates
Where can we read your new stuff?
I write a 400 word article on environmental stuff for the Tulsa County News. It is a west Tulsa County paper that comes out on Wednesdays.
400 words is the hard part. When you don't know what you are talking about it is hard to know when to stop.
Recycle:
Please keep publishing those necessary environmental stories to educate west Tulsa Trailer Trash like RWarn.
Those toothless, clueless hillbillies married to their sister need some educatin' to stop dumpin' their yard trash just across the county line in Creek County.
Now, now, there's no trash in my trailer. [:D]
Actually, I recycle.
And use compact fluorescent bulbs.
And use Energy Star appliances.
And don't use pesticides.
And get 90 percent of my electricity from solar panels.
So RecycleMichael doesn't need to preach to me. I'm in his choir. [^]
Sorry to pick on you, RWarn.
You and Randi Miller are the only two personalities that I even know who live in icky "West" Tulsa.
I'm in Mid-town myself.
Going to dart over to Utica Square Shopping Center for a spot of lunch.
Then, swing by F&M Bank to pick up this month's Trust Fund distribution.
Finally, back home for an afternoon nap in the solarium before heading to the S.H.C.C.
Busy day ahead.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
The county election board said it passed by 60%.
Maybe it did.
Maybe.
And maybe you are a bunny with a pancake on your head.
Maybe
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
The same people who craft effective advertising campaigns to sell people cars, vacations, toothpaste, etc., also apply their creative talents to SELLING NEW TAXES.
So are you saying that the "poor and stuggling middle class" have only themselves to blame for passing the vote? I thought it was Karen Keith...
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Originally posted by swake
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
The county election board said it passed by 60%.
Maybe it did.
Maybe.
And maybe you are a bunny with a pancake on your head.
Maybe
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Hilarious. That got me laughing, again.
And, thinking.
Squaw-Man?
Are we still laughing??
[:D]
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
The same people who craft effective advertising campaigns to sell people cars, vacations, toothpaste, etc., also apply their creative talents to SELLING NEW TAXES.
So are you saying that the "poor and stuggling middle class" have only themselves to blame for passing the vote? I thought it was Karen Keith...
Karen Keith, Bill LaFortune, and Bob Dick were the primary public figure promoters of the tax. The city council endorsed it.
Of course, they had a $1,000,000 advertising campaign to help sway voters.
And, the Lorton's World "news" coverage and their editorial board "Echo Chamber".
And, Channel 862 getting $10,000's in TV ads just MAYBE skewed their Vision 2025 coverage.
Remember when dear old Channel 8 decided to run re-runs of "Cheers" instead of re-broadcasting AS PROMISED the Vision 2025 debate between LaFortune-Keith on the Vote YES side, and Bates-Hewgley on the Vote NO side.
Formatting problems on Election Eve?
Real Reason: Bates-Hewgley wiped the floor with Mayor MisFortunate-KKKeith during the Fox 23 debate, and the Vote YES people did NOT want it re-broadcast.
Am I still boycotting Channel 8?
Yes, but ONLY until January 2017 when the Vision 2025 tax expires.
I don't want anyone to think I'd hold a grudge forever....ONLY until 2017.
Oh, did I mention that Cox Cable donated FREE advertising time to the Vote Yes Infomercials?
And, the MetroTulsaChamberPots LOVED Vision 2025. Recycling our $2 million in lodging tax fees to help promote TAX increases, ummmh, really Economic Development.
The companies that made contributions ended up getting large contracts from the Vision 2025 tax gravy train.
Manhattan/Rooneys and FlintCo made sizeable contributions, and received a $200,000,000 taxpayer provided honey pot.
Aren't they the REAL winners?
Always?
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Karen Keith, Bill LaFortune, and Bob Dick were the primary public figure promoters of the tax. The city council endorsed it.
Of course, they had a $1,000,000 advertising campaign to help sway voters.
And, the Lorton's World "news" coverage and their editorial board "Echo Chamber".
And, Channel 862 getting $10,000's in TV ads just MAYBE skewed their Vision 2025 coverage.
Oh, did I mention that Cox Cable donated FREE advertising time to the Vote Yes Infomercials?
And, the MetroTulsaChamberPots LOVED Vision 2025.
The companies that made contributions ended up getting large contracts from the Vision 2025 tax gravy train.
Manhattan/Rooneys and FlintCo made sizeable contributions and received a $200,000,000 taxpayer provided honey pot.
And armed with all of this amazing information, people still voted in the affirmative. With such a compelling case, you should've easily raised more than $15,000. Am I right?
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
The same people who craft effective advertising campaigns to sell people cars, vacations, toothpaste, etc., also apply their creative talents to SELLING NEW TAXES.
So are you saying that the "poor and stuggling middle class" have only themselves to blame for passing the vote? I thought it was Karen Keith...
Karen Keith, Bill LaFortune, and Bob Dick were the primary public figure promoters of the tax. The city council endorsed it.
Of course, they had a $1,000,000 advertising campaign to help sway voters.
And, the Lorton's World "news" coverage and their editorial board "Echo Chamber".
And, Channel 862 getting $10,000's in TV ads just MAYBE skewed their Vision 2025 coverage.
Oh, did I mention that Cox Cable donated FREE advertising time to the Vote Yes Infomercials?
And, the MetroTulsaChamberPots LOVED Vision 2025.
The companies that made contributions ended up getting large contracts from the Vision 2025 tax gravy train.
Manhattan/Rooneys and FlintCo made sizeable contributions and received a $200,000,000 taxpayer provided honey pot.
The vote has been over for five years and you're still bitter? Get over it man. Seek professional help!
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
The same people who craft effective advertising campaigns to sell people cars, vacations, toothpaste, etc., also apply their creative talents to SELLING NEW TAXES.
So are you saying that the "poor and stuggling middle class" have only themselves to blame for passing the vote? I thought it was Karen Keith...
Karen Keith, Bill LaFortune, and Bob Dick were the primary public figure promoters of the tax. The city council endorsed it.
Of course, they had a $1,000,000 advertising campaign to help sway voters.
And, the Lorton's World "news" coverage and their editorial board "Echo Chamber".
And, Channel 862 getting $10,000's in TV ads just MAYBE skewed their Vision 2025 coverage.
Oh, did I mention that Cox Cable donated FREE advertising time to the Vote Yes Infomercials?
And, the MetroTulsaChamberPots LOVED Vision 2025.
The companies that made contributions ended up getting large contracts from the Vision 2025 tax gravy train.
Manhattan/Rooneys and FlintCo made sizeable contributions and received a $200,000,000 taxpayer provided honey pot.
The vote has been over for five years and you're still bitter? Get over it man. Seek professional help!
Our Banana Republic has a rigged system, which makes me feel just a tiny bit used.
There are NO CONTRIBUTION LIMITS on how much can be raised on "ballot issues", such as proposed tax increases.
The promoters of the tax are coincidentally often the beneficiaries of the proposed tax.
How HANDY!
The Rooney Family or the Flint Family investing $25,000 each to promote a new tax, and in return given a sole-sourced contract ultimately worth $200,000,000 is a total perversion of fair and open government OF THE PEOPLE,BY THE PEOPLE, and FOR THE PEOPLE.
Here in our Banana Republic of Tulsa, it is Government OF THE OLIGARCHY, BUY THE OLIGARCHY, and soley FOR THE OLIGARCHY.
And, those who've been in control the past 50 years like things just the way they are.....
Get the picture?
Arguing about votes five years ago does some pointless...but it keeps friendly bear busy and proves to the rest of us about his sanity.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Arguing about votes five years ago does some pointless...but it keeps friendly bear busy and proves to the rest of us about his sanity.
Karen Keith's promotion of a new, billion dollar regressive Sales Tax is still VERY relevant.
She was one of the principal shilling political mouthpieces promoting Vision 2025 tax now wants another Goobermint job.
Dirty Bob Dick and Mayor MisFortunate have both been retired from local politics, having used up any moral authority to be our leaders.
She wants to become Tulsa County Commissioner.
Watching over the County Budget.
The Fairgrounds budget.
The Jail budget.
Wonderful tax honeypots for certain connected contractors, vendors, and their cronies.
The Tulsa County Ring.
Parmele? Bacon? Young? Alter? Flint? Murphy?
YES, The Vote is over, but the Vision 2025 extra 6/10 sales tax unfortunately isn't OVER.
How many more years to go?
Ends January 2017?
It's Temporary, right?
We'll see......in just EIGHT more years.
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Originally posted by USRufnex
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Perfect!
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Did you mention lately that Karen Keith was a founder of the TulsaNow organization?
You are making Ms. Keith more and more attractive everyday. Keep up the good work!
[:D]
She gets better with age. [;)]
How did FB manage to hi-jack a thread on Mudschlock and Bates into a thread on Karen Keith? What a creepy, sad, obsessive little fellow, FB that is.
I don't have much use for Mudschlock and all his conspiracy theories, though he's developed a pretty good radio voice, finally. I definitely don't think he's earned the right to his over-grown ego as displayed on here, just like David Arnutt.
I like Bates and his column in UT quite a bit.
Why keep bringing up 2025 as if people werent or arent still, for it? If it went up for a vote today, I would vote for it. Wouldnt care if the "yes" or "no" campaign spent one dollar or a billion. I like all the shiny new toys we are getting[8D]. And if you dont.... Suuuucks to be you lol[}:)].
LOL, "NO SUGAR PLEASE" is not me, have this forum check the IP.
I guess great minds think alike,LOL
Ill reply under my own name
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Originally posted by Stephen Cue
LOL, "NO SUGAR PLEASE" is not me, have this forum check the IP.
I guess great minds think alike,LOL
And neither minds will accomplish much on this liberal based board. Your relative might make it past the first round but she's toast in the final round.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Chris Medlock pales to him. He works for a low-rated radio station (dropped another slot in the market this quarter), and does nothing but name-drop and act virtuous. He has also started threads on his blog attacking me and has been rude to me in person.
maybe because you are one of the mayor's patsies?
Nice effort to slam me, but once again, you are clueless. Medlock was way ruder to me when LaFortune was Mayor.
Michael...all I have ever done is ignore you when I see you. You have done the same to me. Is ignoring someone who has slammed you in a public forum rude, or the greatest amount of politeness that one can muster?
Next time we see each other we can start over. I'll giggle like a school girl.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Next time we see each other we can start over. I'll giggle like a school girl.
I'll bring a tape recorder.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Next time we see each other we can start over. I'll giggle like a school girl.
Will he have to poke you in the belly first?
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Originally posted by swake
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
The county election board said it passed by 60%.
Maybe it did.
Maybe.
And maybe you are a bunny with a pancake on your head.
Maybe
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Now that's funny! Thanks for the chuckle.
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Originally posted by Chris Medlock
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Next time we see each other we can start over. I'll giggle like a school girl.
I'll bring a tape recorder.
Chris Medlock is doing a fine job on his afternoon talk show.
Outing Mayor Taylor's Jet-travels was a blast! I'll bet she was grinding her teeth until her minions could figure out how to block your access.
In the Perversity of Unexpected Results, the local power establishment (Lortons et al) were desperate to get Chris and fellow councilor Jim Mautino yanked from the political scene.
They engineered a bogus Recall effort, and his supporters generated a countervailing Grass Roots campaign, which kept them in office with increased voting majorities in their districts.
I think he's found his groove as a local talk radio host.
I hope his show continues to be a success.
10 hours a week on the public airwaves, ragging the droopy asses of the local ruling Oligarchy, and their arrogrant, greasy, sleazy, diabolical, underhanded machinations regarding our public policy?
How fitting!
Pay-back time, Chris.
Tear them a new One, and skip the anesthetic.
What's their next Great Plains Airlines-lite Taxpayer folly?
The Stadium District?
Wonder how Sem Group's meltdown affects the corporate sponsorship?
Yawning $7.5 million Donation HOLE?
Like a Donut hole, only bigger.
Ouch!
[:O]
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Originally posted by swake
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
The county election board said it passed by 60%.
Maybe it did.
Maybe.
And maybe you are a bunny with a pancake on your head.
Maybe
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That's actually the new McDonald's Rabbit McGriddle, you just can't see the bottom pancake under the meat.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I'll giggle like a school girl.
that would be most appropriate.
Thanks inteller.
Stay cool, bff.
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Originally posted by Chris
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Originally posted by swake
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
The county election board said it passed by 60%.
Maybe it did.
Maybe.
And maybe you are a bunny with a pancake on your head.
Maybe
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That's actually the new McDonald's Rabbit McGriddle, you just can't see the bottom pancake under the meat.
Yes, it's part of McDonald's new, modified ECONOMY menu, to help those Americans cope with higher fuel, energy, and food prices.
Now, with the Rabbit McGriddle, they can still afford to take the family out to breakfast.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Chris
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Originally posted by swake
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
The county election board said it passed by 60%.
Maybe it did.
Maybe.
And maybe you are a bunny with a pancake on your head.
Maybe
(http://bp1.blogger.com/_PdnZ8gzHzOw/RtPSE1XxIAI/AAAAAAAAAZ4/iJvmpB_VLdo/s400/bunny_pancake.jpg)
That's actually the new McDonald's Rabbit McGriddle, you just can't see the bottom pancake under the meat.
Yes, it's part of McDonald's new, modified ECONOMY menu, to help those Americans cope with higher fuel, energy, and food prices.
Now, with the Rabbit McGriddle, they can still afford to take the family out to breakfast.
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Bates your silence speaks words. Since you hate the Lorton's so much why don't you write them a check since they subsidized your education at Holland Hall?
Medlock and you get upset when the Tulsa World writes biased articles, but your blogs and on air bias against Randi Miller is laughable. It is the most biased reporting that I have ever seen. You say that you stand up for what is right but what happens when what you say is wrong, dead wrong? Let me ask have you issued an apology is City Councilor Bill Christiansen yet? Did both of you go on the air for years and in your blogs and say that he was in violation of FAA rules or something? Did you even think of writing a blog or article or going on air yourself and saying that you were wrong?
Did you write a blog or go on air and talk about your buddy DelGiorno? If it were another public figure I can guarantee you that we would have seen article, blog or other. Did you tell your children that you were hanging out with a gambling addict? A verbal assualter of women? I guess you condone such behavior.
Medlcok, even the wackos on this board won't stick up for you and Bates this is your on air buddy. Way to go again!
Gee, no sugar.
You have four posts on this forum all attacking other posters. You seem to get very personal and call the rest of us wackos.
I know that you are a relative of Randi Miller and are upset of the negative coverage she has been getting. But if you are upset with what Chris Medlock says on his radio show or Michael Bates writes on his blog you have other ways to express yourself.
You are really not helping Randi by attacking other forum posters on here. Your crazed ramblings about how Michael went to school thirty years ago or where Chris worked seemed petty and desperate to me.
I urge you to try to find some other way to vent your anger than to clutter this forum with your old garbage. I also hope that you will find some ways to contribute to the forum like expressing opinions about Tulsa, not just about two Tulsans who pissed you off by attacking your aunt.