Well, Bjorklund's attorney, Gary Richardson made good on his promise, suit filed today. Miller is being sued for defamation. There's a whole lot of denying going on with this deal.
Richardson is sharp, he's going to wind up costing the county serious $$$.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080722_1__Forme50233
The "Peter Principle" seems to have caught up with Randi. She has reached the level of her incompetence.
Her campaign flyer sure as heck shows she has no grasp of the truth. I think even the most skeptical people might start believing the Bell's got screwed.
I hope your resume is updated Randi, you are no longer fit to be in the public employ. I'm betting she's out in the primary.
but if he is suing her personally...would it cost the county (and thus the taxpayers)?
however, this may be just the thing we need to avoid a grand jury investigation of county dealings. I'm sure this suit will peel back the disgusting underbelly of the county and show everyone just how bad things were/are.
A week before an election is sure a bad time to be sued. I wonder if it will backfire and people will think all the bad stuff coming out is just election-related.
Bates has a story on his website that says Randi Miller failed to file her election reports today.
Everything could point to a cohesive effort to trip her up. Hopefully voters will see this as the culmination of her totally incompetent reign in office.
All in all, it's just another nail in Randi "Brain Candy" Miller's coffin. She's a dead woman walking. The real question is who's next in line for the firing squad?
Tulsa County ...... get the check book out. It won't be pretty.
Frankly I don't care about the cost to the County. I do, but not at the expense of ignoring injustice to him AND TO THE TAX PAYERS. If it takes a lawsuit to uncover what has really been going on than I welcome it.
$1,000,000 on a lawsuit is cheaper than more corruption in the long run (Bell's paid more than that each decade, for instance).
Also, I question his ability to collect from the County. Not knowing much of anything about the case, it would seem his duty was to the County. By following marching orders and hiding debts (as alleged) he was serving Miller, not the Tax Payers. It would seem a bit of a breach of duty to do so, and then suing the tax payers for his misbehavior. No clean hands, no collection.
I don't want to assume there was corruption, but it sure smells fishy. Discovery is a beautiful thing.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Frankly I don't care about the cost to the County. I do, but not at the expense of ignoring injustice to him AND TO THE TAX PAYERS. If it takes a lawsuit to uncover what has really been going on than I welcome it.
$1,000,000 on a lawsuit is cheaper than more corruption in the long run (Bell's paid more than that each decade, for instance).
Also, I question his ability to collect from the County. Not knowing much of anything about the case, it would seem his duty was to the County. By following marching orders and hiding debts (as alleged) he was serving Miller, not the Tax Payers. It would seem a bit of a breach of duty to do so, and then suing the tax payers for his misbehavior. No clean hands, no collection.
I don't want to assume there was corruption, but it sure smells fishy. Discovery is a beautiful thing.
I'd prefer a grand jury, but I'll take whatever I can get.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Frankly I don't care about the cost to the County. I do, but not at the expense of ignoring injustice to him AND TO THE TAX PAYERS. If it takes a lawsuit to uncover what has really been going on than I welcome it.
$1,000,000 on a lawsuit is cheaper than more corruption in the long run (Bell's paid more than that each decade, for instance).
Also, I question his ability to collect from the County. Not knowing much of anything about the case, it would seem his duty was to the County. By following marching orders and hiding debts (as alleged) he was serving Miller, not the Tax Payers. It would seem a bit of a breach of duty to do so, and then suing the tax payers for his misbehavior. No clean hands, no collection.
I don't want to assume there was corruption, but it sure smells fishy. Discovery is a beautiful thing.
This is the Tulsa County Commission, of course there is corruption, it's just a tradition down here. Bjorklund wasn't the best pick for his position. I'd like to know if he was really lax and obtuse or if he was pretty much scape-goated. Based on what all we know now of Randi's pathological lying tendencies, I'd say he was a typical bureaucrat and she's a typical politician.
I get where you are coming from but technically, he served at the pleasure of the Fair Board and County Commission, not the taxpayers. We cannot hire and fire the Fairgrounds manager, but we can hire and fire the commissioners. The commissioners are supposed to serve the tax payers.
Yes, Bjorklund should have had enough character to have looked out for the taxpayer and blown the whistle when these conversations about rent payments supposedly took place.
Voters have an opportunity to cleave a cancer out of the commission. Republicans get out and vote in the primary.
A letter to the editor in the World (I recognize the name as a former local executive) alleges that Mr.B was not the choice of the committee charged with recommending candidates for this position. His former employers did not rate him well but the commissioners insisted on his hiring. That should say something to us. He was Murphy's guy from the beginning and the commissioners knew it. Who were the commissioners at his hiring?
So waterboy, the theory is they were in it together and now have had a falling out? I wonder if that would/will come out in court. Would either party benefit from in this by admitting to corruption? If not, it's just so much BS in the courthouse.
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Originally posted by waterboy
A letter to the editor in the World (I recognize the name as a former local executive) alleges that Mr.B was not the choice of the committee charged with recommending candidates for this position. His former employers did not rate him well but the commissioners insisted on his hiring. That should say something to us. He was Murphy's guy from the beginning and the commissioners knew it. Who were the commissioners at his hiring?
Randi Miller, Dilbert Collins, and Dirty Bob Dick.
Explains everything right there.
I had also read somewhere before the Big Splash deal pulled the plug on Bjorklund that there was a long-standing relationship w/ the Murphy's via Fair Park in Wisconsin and perhaps one of the other venues he worked at. Rick struck me as a typical well-paid bureaucrat stroking a paycheck.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by waterboy
A letter to the editor in the World (I recognize the name as a former local executive) alleges that Mr.B was not the choice of the committee charged with recommending candidates for this position. His former employers did not rate him well but the commissioners insisted on his hiring. That should say something to us. He was Murphy's guy from the beginning and the commissioners knew it. Who were the commissioners at his hiring?
Randi Miller, Dilbert Collins, and Dirty Bob Dick.
Explains everything right there.
I had also read somewhere before the Big Splash deal pulled the plug on Bjorklund that there was a long-standing relationship w/ the Murphy's via Fair Park in Wisconsin and perhaps one of the other venues he worked at. Rick struck me as a typical well-paid bureaucrat stroking a paycheck.
Being an At-Will employee like all Tulsa County employees, Mr. B had to do what he was told, or else get fired.
If there were no witnesses to the Miller - Bjorklund exchange, then it will just turn into a He-said, She-said argument in court, absent a paper trail or eyewitnesses to the conversation.
Nonetheless, apparently Mr. B. chose to not cash the one-half 2006 Big Splash rent check, and also not demand the very past due 2007 Big Splash rent.
And, the accountant working under him did what he was told, too.
So, Mr. B. did probably need to get fired for falsifying the Fairgrounds financial statements.
And, I suspect that his former Boss Ms. Miller will likewise be fired by the voters by November at least.
The local power establishment has figured that her "brand" appeal has about worn out, and they've groomed Karen Keith waiting in the wings to replace her.
They don't want Mrs. Bell, however, because she'd probably not under their control, due to her separate sizeable accumulation of wealth, and Mission-from-God zeal over her family business of 52 years being ruined by the Fairground Board acting as catspaw for the Murphy carnies.
So, the local power establishment have helped Ms. Miller financially in the GOP primary.
And, if she's defeated in the July 29 primary, or in the November General Election, they have a government sinecure of a job waiting for her when she leaves office, for prior services rendered, and to also keep her quiet and under their thumb.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
The local power establishment has figured that her "brand" appeal has about worn out, and they've groomed Karen Keith waiting in the wings to replace her.
I agree with about everything else you said with the exception of this gross mischaracterization.
That makes no sense for your oligarchy to pump money into a loser's campaign in the primary. They could just let her wither on the vine and dumped all their money into Karen's coffers.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
The local power establishment has figured that her "brand" appeal has about worn out, and they've groomed Karen Keith waiting in the wings to replace her.
I agree with about everything else you said with the exception of this gross mischaracterization.
That makes no sense for your oligarchy to pump money into a loser's campaign in the primary. They could just let her wither on the vine and dumped all their money into Karen's coffers.
TOO risky for them. They can't take the CHANCE that Mrs. Bell might win the General Election.
These are the same people that that have rigged the system to game it for their financial benefit every way possible. They just LOVE No-Bid, Sole Sourced Contracts, for example. That is, City/County Contracts for THEM.
They like control. They made money to acquire power, and are using their power to protect and grow their money.
Observe, there's a reasonable CHANCE that Sally Bell might beat Ms. Keith in the General Election.
They don't want anyone at the Fair Board or the Jail Authority or the County Commission that they don't control.
Bell is running as a Republican. GOP candidates have generally fared better than the Democrats for several decades in our City and County, including Miller's Commissioner District.
I repeat:
The local power establishment just can't take the chance Mrs. Bell might win.
They'd rather get rid of her in the GOP Primary, than run the risk she gather momentum and could win the General Election.
They remember that almost happened with outsider Tom Quinn when he ran for Mayor back in 1986.
He defeated the INCUMBENT Democrat Mayor in the Democrat Primary, and the local Power Establishment then pulled out all the stops to elect Dick Crawford as a one-term Mayor.
That was TOO close of call for them.
We recently saw how they similarly operated during the last mayoral election.
The local ruling establishment could NOT take the chance that City Councilor Chris Medlock MIGHT have defeated Mayor Bill LaFortune, and POSSIBLY gone on to win in the General Election.
Unlikely, but POSSIBLE.
So, they pushed Ms. Miller into the race to force a three-way split in the Winner-Take-All GOP Primary, where Miller could triangulate Medlock's base which was centered in the same West Tulsa and ORU constituency as Ms. Miller, and ensure a Win-Win for them.
If LaFortune won re-election, they won.
If Taylor defeated LaFortune, they won.
Win-Win.
They are only giving Miller enough to get past Ms. Bell. The amounts are chump change to that group. $2,500 is a rounding error for Mr. Kaiser's purported net worth.
My suspicion is that they will wholeheartedly back Karen Keith as the "fresh face" in this Fall's election.
She served them so very well to help promote Vision 2025.
Remember?
Super-Saleswoman after 20 years as experienced, well-polished, former local TV reporter and news anchor.
So polished, she could sell Ice Cubes to Eskimoes.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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The local ruling establishment could NOT take the chance that City Councilor Chris Medlock MIGHT have defeated Mayor Bill LaFortune, and POSSIBLY gone on to win in the General Election.
Unlikely, but POSSIBLE.
So, they pushed Ms. Miller into the race to force a three-way split in the Winner-Take-All GOP Primary, where Miller could triangulate Medlock's base which was centered in the same West Tulsa and ORU constituency as Ms. Miller, and ensure a Win-Win for them.
Please.
Miller jumped into the race because LaFortune was dead meat and Medlock was so radioactive, he couldn't get more than 40 percent of the vote.
Not much of a base. Hell, even a slew of dyed-in-the-wool conservatives couldn't/can't stand Medlock.
It was an attempt by Miller to salvage mayor's seat for the GOP. It failed.
And did it occur to you that people might put more money into Karen Keith's coffers than Sally Bell's simply because Keith's a better-quality candidate? The woman-scorned bit is gonna run thin quick for Bell.
And Jeez, Sally, if you're serious about running, at least put up a doggone Web site. It ain't that hard.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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The local ruling establishment could NOT take the chance that City Councilor Chris Medlock MIGHT have defeated Mayor Bill LaFortune, and POSSIBLY gone on to win in the General Election.
Unlikely, but POSSIBLE.
So, they pushed Ms. Miller into the race to force a three-way split in the Winner-Take-All GOP Primary, where Miller could triangulate Medlock's base which was centered in the same West Tulsa and ORU constituency as Ms. Miller, and ensure a Win-Win for them.
Please.
Miller jumped into the race because LaFortune was dead meat and Medlock was so radioactive, he couldn't get more than 40 percent of the vote.
Not much of a base. Hell, even a slew of dyed-in-the-wool conservatives couldn't/can't stand Medlock.
It was an attempt by Miller to salvage mayor's seat for the GOP. It failed.
And did it occur to you that people might put more money into Karen Keith's coffers than Sally Bell's simply because Keith's a better-quality candidate? The woman-scorned bit is gonna run thin quick for Bell.
And Jeez, Sally, if you're serious about running, at least put up a doggone Web site. It ain't that hard.
Partial credit awarded.
Maybe LaFortune was dead-meat, but not in the GOP Primary. He turned out as dead meat in the General Election. Why?
He had won his previous General election with 60% of the vote. That meant he had a lot of cross-over Democrat and Independent voters behind him vs. Art Just-Us.
As the incumbent Republican-in-Name-Only who acted like a Tax-and-Spend Democrat once elected, he had seriously alienated the GOP True-Believers, and he was the Radioactive One.
There was a CHANCE Medlock could pull out an upset in a Two-Way Race.
Hence, Ms. Miller was pushed into the race at virtually the last minute eligible to file in order to act as a SPOILER.
Medlock came in a respectable Second in the Three-Way primary, with about 34%.
Miller came in a Distant Third, with about 24% of the GOP vote.
But, Miller won enough votes from Medlock's base to give LaFortune a "win" with 41% of the votes in the GOP Primary.
41%.
An INCUMBENT who "wins" with 59% of his very own GOP base preferring someone else is simply:
A Dead-Man Walking.
And, he was dead politically, losing to Taylor in the General Election, in what eventually turned into a close race 51% to 47%, and another 2% going to Independent Ben Faulk.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
The local power establishment has figured that her "brand" appeal has about worn out, and they've groomed Karen Keith waiting in the wings to replace her.
I agree with about everything else you said with the exception of this gross mischaracterization.
That makes no sense for your oligarchy to pump money into a loser's campaign in the primary. They could just let her wither on the vine and dumped all their money into Karen's coffers.
Now that would expose their manchurian candidate, now wouldn't it? Randi Miller and Karen Keith are two sides of the same coin. Besides, it would be in their best interest to have both their candidates in the general, that way no matter who wins, they win and the public loses.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
And Jeez, Sally, if you're serious about running, at least put up a doggone Web site. It ain't that hard.
www.sallybell.net
It's been up since shortly after she announced her campaign.
I haven't yet found a Randi Miller campaign website.
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
The local power establishment has figured that her "brand" appeal has about worn out, and they've groomed Karen Keith waiting in the wings to replace her.
I agree with about everything else you said with the exception of this gross mischaracterization.
That makes no sense for your oligarchy to pump money into a loser's campaign in the primary. They could just let her wither on the vine and dumped all their money into Karen's coffers.
Now that would expose their manchurian candidate, now wouldn't it? Randi Miller and Karen Keith are two sides of the same coin. Besides, it would be in their best interest to have both their candidates in the general, that way no matter who wins, they win and the public loses.
Karen is honest and has integrity, big difference. How much of a bust has 2025 turned into??? Higher education has benefitted, better police and fire facilities in surrounding towns, community centers, YMCA's, some funding for low water dams, and a make over on downtown.
I was not a big supporter of 2025 and quite skeptical. On the one hand, yes it has resulted in a larger county bureaucracy, which I am not fond of, yet a lot of community updating has come as a result. Tulsa is looking better for it.
I don't think Karen needs to run from her record on 2025.
But comparing her to Randi??? There is no comparison. I've known her since her days serving on the Brookside Merchant's Association. She didn't have to get involved with the community, it was her choice. She enjoys serving, solving problems, and gets things done. More than anything, she's trustworthy. She has a lot of friends from about every corner of the city. She is not owned.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
The local power establishment has figured that her "brand" appeal has about worn out, and they've groomed Karen Keith waiting in the wings to replace her.
I agree with about everything else you said with the exception of this gross mischaracterization.
That makes no sense for your oligarchy to pump money into a loser's campaign in the primary. They could just let her wither on the vine and dumped all their money into Karen's coffers.
Now that would expose their manchurian candidate, now wouldn't it? Randi Miller and Karen Keith are two sides of the same coin. Besides, it would be in their best interest to have both their candidates in the general, that way no matter who wins, they win and the public loses.
Karen is honest and has integrity, big difference. How much of a bust has 2025 turned into??? Higher education has benefitted, better police and fire facilities in surrounding towns, community centers, YMCA's, some funding for low water dams, and a make over on downtown.
I was not a big supporter of 2025 and quite skeptical. On the one hand, yes it has resulted in a larger county bureaucracy, which I am not fond of, yet a lot of community updating has come as a result. Tulsa is looking better for it.
I don't think Karen needs to run from her record on 2025.
But comparing her to Randi??? There is no comparison. I've known her since her days serving on the Brookside Merchant's Association. She didn't have to get involved with the community, it was her choice. She enjoys serving, solving problems, and gets things done. More than anything, she's trustworthy. She has a lot of friends from about every corner of the city. She is not owned.
She may be a wonderful person.
We've never met.
However, as a local press person, I consider her by profession, a:
PROFESSIONAL SPIN DOCTOR.
Happy to put the best spin on anything she's told to sell, either ideas, taxes or product:
Happy to sell us dog food or Vision 2025. Just give her a script.
If Bill LaFortune was dumb enough to hire a registered Democrat Karen Keith for a key staff position, he deserved to lose.
He violated the cardinal rule of politics:
Punish your enemies, PUNISH your enemies, REWARD your friends.
Maybe Karen will be great; maybe not.
We'll be watching who her campaign contributers are.
As always......
FOLLOW the MONEY.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Bell is running as a Republican. GOP candidates have generally fared better than the Democrats for several decades in our City and County, including Miller's Commissioner District.
I call bravo sierra on you. You're just gas-bagging now.
Mayor Taylor- Democrat
Mayor Savage- Democrat
Mayor Randle- Democrat
Mayor Young- Democrat
Two, one-term GOP mayoral administrations in the last 22 years.
Dilbert Collins- County Commissioner- Democrat
Tulsa helped carry Brad Henry back for a second term as a Democrat Governor.
Central Tulsa has a Democrat Senator, Tom Adelson. Jeannie McDaniel is a Democrat, yes?
You are more than welcome to go back and tabulate how many Democrats were elected to state offices in 2006 with the help of Tulsa. GOP got killed on the mid-term, remember????
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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The local ruling establishment could NOT take the chance that City Councilor Chris Medlock MIGHT have defeated Mayor Bill LaFortune, and POSSIBLY gone on to win in the General Election.
Unlikely, but POSSIBLE.
So, they pushed Ms. Miller into the race to force a three-way split in the Winner-Take-All GOP Primary, where Miller could triangulate Medlock's base which was centered in the same West Tulsa and ORU constituency as Ms. Miller, and ensure a Win-Win for them.
Please.
Miller jumped into the race because LaFortune was dead meat and Medlock was so radioactive, he couldn't get more than 40 percent of the vote.
Not much of a base. Hell, even a slew of dyed-in-the-wool conservatives couldn't/can't stand Medlock.
It was an attempt by Miller to salvage mayor's seat for the GOP. It failed.
And did it occur to you that people might put more money into Karen Keith's coffers than Sally Bell's simply because Keith's a better-quality candidate? The woman-scorned bit is gonna run thin quick for Bell.
And Jeez, Sally, if you're serious about running, at least put up a doggone Web site. It ain't that hard.
You moaned about someone not having a website a few years ago too ... whats up with your $itching all the time
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by waterboy
A letter to the editor in the World (I recognize the name as a former local executive) alleges that Mr.B was not the choice of the committee charged with recommending candidates for this position. His former employers did not rate him well but the commissioners insisted on his hiring. That should say something to us. He was Murphy's guy from the beginning and the commissioners knew it. Who were the commissioners at his hiring?
Randi Miller, Dilbert Collins, and Dirty Bob Dick.
Explains everything right there.
I had also read somewhere before the Big Splash deal pulled the plug on Bjorklund that there was a long-standing relationship w/ the Murphy's via Fair Park in Wisconsin and perhaps one of the other venues he worked at. Rick struck me as a typical well-paid bureaucrat stroking a paycheck.
Being an At-Will employee like all Tulsa County employees, Mr. B had to do what he was told, or else get fired.
If there were no witnesses to the Miller - Bjorklund exchange, then it will just turn into a He-said, She-said argument in court, absent a paper trail or eyewitnesses to the conversation.
Nonetheless, apparently Mr. B. chose to not cash the one-half 2006 Big Splash rent check, and also not demand the very past due 2007 Big Splash rent.
And, the accountant working under him did what he was told, too.
So, Mr. B. did probably need to get fired for falsifying the Fairgrounds financial statements.
And, I suspect that his former Boss Ms. Miller will likewise be fired by the voters by November at least.
The local power establishment has figured that her "brand" appeal has about worn out, and they've groomed Karen Keith waiting in the wings to replace her.
They don't want Mrs. Bell, however, because she'd probably not under their control, due to her separate sizeable accumulation of wealth, and Mission-from-God zeal over her family business of 52 years being ruined by the Fairground Board acting as catspaw for the Murphy carnies.
So, the local power establishment have helped Ms. Miller financially in the GOP primary.
And, if she's defeated in the July 29 primary, or in the November General Election, they have a government sinecure of a job waiting for her when she leaves office, for prior services rendered, and to also keep her quiet and under their thumb.
I just hope the audio becomes public if he did have his own personal recording device running like someone as smart as him would when walking into that room.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Bell is running as a Republican. GOP candidates have generally fared better than the Democrats for several decades in our City and County, including Miller's Commissioner District.
I call bravo sierra on you. You're just gas-bagging now.
Mayor Taylor- Democrat
Mayor Savage- Democrat
Mayor Randle- Democrat
Mayor Young- Democrat
Two, one-term GOP mayoral administrations in the last 22 years.
Dilbert Collins- County Commissioner- Democrat
Tulsa helped carry Brad Henry back for a second term as a Democrat Governor.
Central Tulsa has a Democrat Senator, Tom Adelson. Jeannie McDaniel is a Democrat, yes?
You are more than welcome to go back and tabulate how many Democrats were elected to state offices in 2006 with the help of Tulsa. GOP got killed on the mid-term, remember????
I don't think it is in dispute that the city of Tulsa voters generally lean Republican.
The Republicans have about 50% of registered Tulsa County voters; registered Democrats comprise 39%; Independents amount to about 11% of Tulsa County's 300,000+ voters.
Tulsa has historically had a mix of GOP and Democratic Mayors. The LaFortunes (8 + 4 years), Inhofe (8 years), and Dick Crawford (4 years) were GOP. The ones you mentioned were Democrats.
I guess our memories are different.
Wasn't Democrat County Commissioner Dilbert Collins DEFEATED by a Republican - John Small-ego?
And, I kinda/sorta think that the majority of our city council has been majority GOP for the last four election cycles.
I kinda-sorta think that the majority of our Metro Tulsa-area State Senators and State Reps are GOP.
And, I don't think we've sent a Democratic Congressman to Washington since James R. Jones back in the 1980's.
I'm not sure that party affiliation will be a big issue in a Commissioner race, anyway.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
GOP candidates have generally fared better than the Democrats for several decades in our City and County
Did you say this or not??? They definitely have not fared better in the mayors office the last couple of decades.
Tulsa County GOP's helped re-elect Henry over Istook.
They also voted for Democrats in other elected positions.
Voters ****-canned Collins for being another corrupt Dilbert. He was going down whether it was Falling or Smaligo.
In spite of our tendency to vote GOP on a national level, Tulsans don't have a problem voting Democrat on the state, county, or city level. We also kept re-electing Boren to the Senate but he was somewhat of a centrist.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by Conan71
QuoteOriginally posted by Friendly Bear
The local power establishment has figured that her "brand" appeal has about worn out, and they've groomed Karen Keith waiting in the wings to replace her.
I agree with about everything else you said with the exception of this gross mischaracterization.
That makes no sense for your oligarchy to pump money into a loser's campaign in the primary. They could just let her wither on the vine and dumped all their money into Karen's coffers.
Now that would expose their manchurian candidate, now wouldn't it? Randi Miller and Karen Keith are two sides of the same coin. Besides, it would be in their best interest to have both their candidates in the general, that way no matter who wins, they win and the public loses.
Karen is honest and has integrity, big difference. How much of a bust has 2025 turned into??? Higher education has benefitted, better police and fire facilities in surrounding towns, community centers, YMCA's, some funding for low water dams, and a make over on downtown.
I was not a big supporter of 2025 and quite skeptical. On the one hand, yes it has resulted in a larger county bureaucracy, which I am not fond of, yet a lot of community updating has come as a result. Tulsa is looking better for it.
I don't think Karen needs to run from her record on 2025.
But comparing her to Randi??? There is no comparison. I've known her since her days serving on the Brookside Merchant's Association. She didn't have to get involved with the community, it was her choice. She enjoys serving, solving problems, and gets things done. More than anything, she's trustworthy. She has a lot of friends from about every corner of the city. She is not owned.
She is very owned. Very. She also stood up at the TMAPC meeting and slapped the neighbors in the face with her support of the Enclave.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
The local power establishment has figured that her "brand" appeal has about worn out, and they've groomed Karen Keith waiting in the wings to replace her.
I agree with about everything else you said with the exception of this gross mischaracterization.
That makes no sense for your oligarchy to pump money into a loser's campaign in the primary. They could just let her wither on the vine and dumped all their money into Karen's coffers.
Now that would expose their manchurian candidate, now wouldn't it? Randi Miller and Karen Keith are two sides of the same coin. Besides, it would be in their best interest to have both their candidates in the general, that way no matter who wins, they win and the public loses.
Karen is honest and has integrity, big difference. How much of a bust has 2025 turned into??? Higher education has benefitted, better police and fire facilities in surrounding towns, community centers, YMCA's, some funding for low water dams, and a make over on downtown.
I was not a big supporter of 2025 and quite skeptical. On the one hand, yes it has resulted in a larger county bureaucracy, which I am not fond of, yet a lot of community updating has come as a result. Tulsa is looking better for it.
I don't think Karen needs to run from her record on 2025.
But comparing her to Randi??? There is no comparison. I've known her since her days serving on the Brookside Merchant's Association. She didn't have to get involved with the community, it was her choice. She enjoys serving, solving problems, and gets things done. More than anything, she's trustworthy. She has a lot of friends from about every corner of the city. She is not owned.
Lafortune's Spin Doctor, the architect of the Vodoo Visioning process, trustworthy? Thanks for the laugh.
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Originally posted by LongtimeTulsan
...her support of the Enclave.
Cool, she has my vote.
Another attack on a woman democrat by doubleA?
I am shocked I tell you!
I guess Vision 2025 sucks to people who would rather that we continued our urban slide into something along the lines of Tijuana Mexico.
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Originally posted by Conan71
I guess Vision 2025 sucks to people who would rather that we continued our urban slide into something along the lines of Tijuana Mexico.
I like to call those people the 'Whirled Whiners'...
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Originally posted by Conan71
I guess Vision 2025 sucks to people who would rather that we continued our urban slide into something along the lines of Tijuana Mexico.
Walk around the Whittier Square area, Amigo, or go out east of 21st and Memorial.
You'll think you WERE in Mexico.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Conan71
I guess Vision 2025 sucks to people who would rather that we continued our urban slide into something along the lines of Tijuana Mexico.
Walk around the Whittier Square area, Amigo, or go out east of 21st and Memorial.
You'll think you WERE in Mexico.
Not as much since Nov 1 2007.
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Conan71
I guess Vision 2025 sucks to people who would rather that we continued our urban slide into something along the lines of Tijuana Mexico.
Walk around the Whittier Square area, Amigo, or go out east of 21st and Memorial.
You'll think you WERE in Mexico.
Not as much since Nov 1 2007.
true, not as much. we got rid of the ones that were concerned about being arrested and the only ones left are the ones that simply don't give a ****. Probably the same ones who turn themselves in at the sheriff's office to get a free ride back to mexico.
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by Double A
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The local power establishment has figured that her "brand" appeal has about worn out, and they've groomed Karen Keith waiting in the wings to replace her.
I agree with about everything else you said with the exception of this gross mischaracterization.
That makes no sense for your oligarchy to pump money into a loser's campaign in the primary. They could just let her wither on the vine and dumped all their money into Karen's coffers.
Now that would expose their manchurian candidate, now wouldn't it? Randi Miller and Karen Keith are two sides of the same coin. Besides, it would be in their best interest to have both their candidates in the general, that way no matter who wins, they win and the public loses.
Karen is honest and has integrity, big difference. How much of a bust has 2025 turned into??? Higher education has benefitted, better police and fire facilities in surrounding towns, community centers, YMCA's, some funding for low water dams, and a make over on downtown.
I was not a big supporter of 2025 and quite skeptical. On the one hand, yes it has resulted in a larger county bureaucracy, which I am not fond of, yet a lot of community updating has come as a result. Tulsa is looking better for it.
I don't think Karen needs to run from her record on 2025.
But comparing her to Randi??? There is no comparison. I've known her since her days serving on the Brookside Merchant's Association. She didn't have to get involved with the community, it was her choice. She enjoys serving, solving problems, and gets things done. More than anything, she's trustworthy. She has a lot of friends from about every corner of the city. She is not owned.
Lafortune's Spin Doctor, the architect of the Vodoo Visioning process, trustworthy? Thanks for the laugh.
AA, I've met and talked with Karen Keith. Had a little problem with the RPA and she directed/misdirected me. That was her job. I've met and spoken with Randi Miller. Karen is no Randi. Big difference in outlook and attitude.
You have to get used to the idea that in government the leaders have the opportunity even the obligation to be partisan. But the functionaries have jobs that allow them to operate on both sides of the aisle to get things done. Karen seemed to me to be doing her job not playing politics. If that makes her untrustworthy, well, we're all screwed.