A friend of mine who now lives in Hawaii is wanting to see what it looks like.
Thanks
Mostly inside shots:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgrizzle/sets/72157603907665863/
Exterior shots:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/oilerfan/sets/72157605911554677/
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Mostly inside shots:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgrizzle/sets/72157603907665863/
Exterior shots:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/oilerfan/sets/72157605911554677/
Even more...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/oilerfan/collections/72157604147379452/
Thanks!
Here's a Flickr Group for BOK Center pics: http://www.flickr.com/groups/bokcenter/
FYI the BOk Center has a beer room. An entire room just for keeping kegs of beer at the perfect temperature. Less moving kegs around so less foam. That is, if they properly insulated the lines and pre-flow them before events (all taps connect to lines form the beer room.)
Beer room.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
FYI the BOk Center has a beer room. An entire room just for keeping kegs of beer at the perfect temperature. Less moving kegs around so less foam. That is, if they properly insulated the lines and pre-flow them before events (all taps connect to lines form the beer room.)
Beer room.
Doing my best 'Homer Simpson' voice...
'ahhh....beeer rooooom!'
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
FYI the BOk Center has a beer room. An entire room just for keeping kegs of beer at the perfect temperature. Less moving kegs around so less foam. That is, if they properly insulated the lines and pre-flow them before events (all taps connect to lines form the beer room.)
Beer room.
If I ever design my own home I think I'll put in one of those, and just like the plumbing and electric, I'll run beer to every room.
Beer. mmmmm
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Originally posted by Floyd
If I ever design my own home I think I'll put in one of those, and just like the plumbing and electric, I'll run beer to every room.
Beer. mmmmm
A tapper next to the John would be the best thing since a magazine rack. [:P]
"Does anyone have good pics of the BOK Center?!"
Does the ocean have water?![8D]
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Originally posted by Nik
Here's a Flickr Group for BOK Center pics: http://www.flickr.com/groups/bokcenter/
Holy crap. It's got almost 1,000 pictures!
Edit: Sorry, I meant to edit my previous post, not reply to it.
Boy that sucker is really going to look rough with a little age on her. Each of those panels rather than working together are going to do their own thing big time.
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Originally posted by citizen72
Boy that sucker is really going to look rough with a little age on her. Each of those panels rather than working together are going to do their own thing big time.
voted agin'it didja?
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Originally posted by Townsend
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Originally posted by citizen72
Boy that sucker is really going to look rough with a little age on her. Each of those panels rather than working together are going to do their own thing big time.
voted agin'it didja?
Not at all guy. Just do not agree with the choice of finish materials. Looks cheap and will not age well. Really hope it is not Alucabond. Delamination is a real problem with that material.
Stainless steel delaminates? I've heard of fiber board, dry wall, and fiberglass delaminating. I've heard to copper sheeting. Never heard of hallow cubes made up of stainless steel delaminating. The steel just peels off of itself? I don't get it.
Each panel is a cube of stainless steel. The panels are set off the building and hallow, each panel floats on the exterior of the building so that they DON'T tear away, buckle or otherwise get destroyed. At least that's what they were when I took the tour and that's how it was explain to me (us).
This discussion has been going on ad naseum. What finish material would you prefer? Tilt up concrete panels or blown on gunnite to look like stucco, maybe with brick accents? Not trying to be a jerk, but what would you prefer and what are your concerns based on?
I'm happy we went with something different and have to rely on the engineers that the material is suitable, I don't have any information better than theirs. To me, this looks good. It looks like it was made from platinum bricks.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3117/2661317577_2e507ab0d4_b.jpg)
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Stainless steel delaminates? I've heard of fiber board, dry wall, and fiberglass delaminating. I've heard to copper sheeting. Never heard of hallow cubes made up of stainless steel delaminating. The steel just peels off of itself? I don't get it.
Each panel is a cube of stainless steel. The panels are set off the building and hallow, each panel floats on the exterior of the building so that they DON'T tear away, buckle or otherwise get destroyed. At least that's what they were when I took the tour and that's how it was explain to me (us).
This discussion has been going on ad naseum. What finish material would you prefer? Tilt up concrete panels or blown on gunnite to look like stucco, maybe with brick accents? Not trying to be a jerk, but what would you prefer and what are your concerns based on?
I'm happy we went with something different and have to rely on the engineers that the material is suitable, I don't have any information better than theirs. To me, this looks good. It looks like it was made from platinum bricks.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3117/2661317577_2e507ab0d4_b.jpg)
+1
When I took the tour in May, it was explained but I couldn't remember. People would complain if this thing was no cost to us and looked like it does. It's not for everyone, but there's not a lot of people I've talked to that don't like the design. That's not to say everyone likes it. Just not many that I've talked to (and no one that I know) that hates the design.
Oh, of course there are the 'roll of duct tape' crowd, who thinks that all buildings should look like the Page Belcher building and keep us firmly entrenched in 1965.
[xx(]
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Originally posted by citizen72
Not at all guy. Just do not agree with the choice of finish materials. Looks cheap and will not age well. Really hope it is not Alucabond. Delamination is a real problem with that material.
Sorry to assume.
Driving by on 244, it honestly looks like hudda. They mis-engineered on the glass spec as well then claimed it was the wrong color. (A friend supplied the glass) It's not, they just didn't realize the color it would be at the angle it was set at. I really don't think the idea was such a rumpled appearance. The metal looks like it sat in a clothes dryer for a week.
When the inevitable streaking starts, it's really going to look like hudda.
I think it looks GREAT it looks like something in a major city. I do love how so many people have bad things to say about the new arena it's kind of sad[:(] people just don't take pride in there city anymore.
Fair point on the crinkled skin. Some of the photos do show a less than smooth facade. I wonder why that is?
Still, something different than concrete tilt up.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Fair point on the crinkled skin. Some of the photos do show a less than smooth facade. I wonder why that is?
Still, something different than concrete tilt up.
How would we know that a concrete skin wouldn't look like that given the contrast differences between the two? Just sayin'....
Yes, a veneer of stone or perhaps a semi-smooth stucco finish could have been a better choice in terms of aesthetics and that is not to get into the cost which was probably doable.
The Stainless skin is not a good choice of material due to its unsightly characteristics including panel "Oil canning." Someone asked my source for my opinion. A degree in architecture, national certification and thirty something years in the profession.
The building is not going to age well and of course is only one opinion.
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Originally posted by In_Tulsa
I think it looks GREAT it looks like something in a major city. I do love how so many people have bad things to say about the new arena it's kind of sad[:(] people just don't take pride in there city anymore.
Even friends don't tell their friends how ugly their baby really is. They wait and make fun with their other group of friends
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Originally posted by MDepr2007
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Originally posted by In_Tulsa
I think it looks GREAT it looks like something in a major city. I do love how so many people have bad things to say about the new arena it's kind of sad[:(] people just don't take pride in there city anymore.
Even friends don't tell their friends how ugly their baby really is. They wait and make fun with their other group of friends
It is still a really beautiful building in spite of the choice of materials.
Citizen, I wasn't asking for a source on your opinion. I was curious about the delaminating. I appreciate the variety of opinions, I was just unaware of that potential design flaw in stainless steel panels. It's entirely possible I'm just ignorant.
"A friend of mine who now lives in Hawaii is wanting to see what it looks like.
Thanks."
Here ya' go...
(http://www.gamertagpics.com/messages/XxBloodRavenxX/duck_tape.jpg)
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Originally posted by citizen72
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Originally posted by citizen72
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Originally posted by MDepr2007
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Originally posted by In_Tulsa
I think it looks GREAT it looks like something in a major city. I do love how so many people have bad things to say about the new arena it's kind of sad[:(] people just don't take pride in there city anymore.
Even friends don't tell their friends how ugly their baby really is. They wait and make fun with their other group of friends
It is still a really beautiful building in spite of the choice of materials.
They need longer lasting lightbulbs, the R on the back was out the other night.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Citizen, I wasn't asking for a source on your opinion. I was curious about the delaminating. I appreciate the variety of opinions, I was just unaware of that potential design flaw in stainless steel panels. It's entirely possible I'm just ignorant.
Cannon until you told me I was unaware it was a homogeneous stainless steel cube panel. My remark centered around the possibility of an Alucobound panel which is two aluminum skins bounded to an insulative substrate. These types of panels do have a real problem with delamination.
From what you have told me "Oil canning" of the exterior surface of the homogeneous panel would be the greatest concern over time. I just cannot imagine that kind of stainless steel panel being very serviceable not to mention visually sustainable.
I think its the most beautiful arena constructed yet. Ultra-modern and very functional.
The only complaint that i have is the area around it. Destroy or renovate those old federal buildings and put up something more appealing. Wasnt there plans for a new major hotel downtown ?
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Originally posted by Tulsa Twister
I think its the most beautiful arena constructed yet. Ultra-modern and very functional.
I don't know if I would go that far, but I agree it is beautiful to me. I go past it all times of day or night from all directions and just love the look of the early morning or sunset on the structure. The glass wall is inspiring and the view from the inside of the downtown skyline is stunning.
Last Saturday I gave a talk to the Crosbie Heights neighborhood association just west of the arena across the expressway. The houses along Nogales near the Baptist Church have beautiful views of the arena framed by the rest of downtown.
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Originally posted by Tulsa Twister
I think its the most beautiful arena constructed yet. Ultra-modern and very functional.
The only complaint that i have is the area around it. Destroy or renovate those old federal buildings and put up something more appealing. Wasnt there plans for a new major hotel downtown ?
And when someone wants to put a new style in a neighborhood, everyone is up in arms about the look not matching the rest of the area.
It's confusing sometimes around here[|)]
For the record, I love the design of the building. It's beautiful.That said, I have yet to hear any official comment on the stains appearing below some of the panel/glass seams. Can someone close to the team comment?
(http://www.tundraresources.com/images/bok_stains.jpg)
Maybe it will look different after a good ole Oklahoma Hail Storm hits it.
I still think that building is Ugly! Close up or far away.
How long it will take the taggers to paint the ground level walls?
And how long till the Metal Vampires begin to steal the groud level stainless steel panels to cash in at the local scrape metal outlet?
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Originally posted by bacjz00
For the record, I love the design of the building. It's beautiful.That said, I have yet to hear any official comment on the stains appearing below some of the panel/glass seams. Can someone close to the team comment?
(http://www.tundraresources.com/images/bok_stains.jpg)
Many times it is the result of leaching of some of the properties of the sealant used to seal seams and joints. Stainless steel is far from being stain free. In time the staining should abate, but it also could get worse depending on the type of sealant.
If you observe carefully you will see this same staining in the same areas on many buildings around town.
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Originally posted by citizen72
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Originally posted by bacjz00
For the record, I love the design of the building. It's beautiful.That said, I have yet to hear any official comment on the stains appearing below some of the panel/glass seams. Can someone close to the team comment?(http://www.tundraresources.com/images/bok_stains.jpg)
Many times it is the result of leaching of some of the properties of the sealant used to seal seams and joints. Stainless steel is far from being stain free. In time the staining should abate, but it also could get worse depending on the type of sealant. If you observe carefully you will see this same staining in the same areas on many buildings around town.
A great explanation. I suppose a good follow-up would be, "Should this be acceptable?"
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Originally posted by Tulsa Twister
I think its the most beautiful arena constructed yet. Ultra-modern and very functional.
The only complaint that i have is the area around it. Destroy or renovate those old federal buildings and put up something more appealing. Wasnt there plans for a new major hotel downtown ?
I agree completely, and I felt this way before the building of the arena. Those whole Civic area just looks awful. But as Mr. Bates pointed out in another thread, the architectural was applauded when it was all built in the 50s/60s. Times change.
Most likely once the sod is down and the dust settles that problem will go away.
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Originally posted by bacjz00
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Originally posted by citizen72
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Originally posted by bacjz00
For the record, I love the design of the building. It's beautiful.That said, I have yet to hear any official comment on the stains appearing below some of the panel/glass seams. Can someone close to the team comment?(http://www.tundraresources.com/images/bok_stains.jpg)
Many times it is the result of leaching of some of the properties of the sealant used to seal seams and joints. Stainless steel is far from being stain free. In time the staining should abate, but it also could get worse depending on the type of sealant. If you observe carefully you will see this same staining in the same areas on many buildings around town.
A great explanation. I suppose a good follow-up would be, "Should this be acceptable?"
Acceptable? No it shouldn't but there are only so many choices available for sealants and caulking. To my knowledge nearly all of these contain the same propensity towards the leaching characteristic.
The hope always is that the building manager instigate a viable maintenance program for the exterior surfaces of the building. With constant cleaning and maintenance the unsightliness of the leaching should be very much retarded. We should hope.
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Originally posted by Nik
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Originally posted by Tulsa Twister
I think its the most beautiful arena constructed yet. Ultra-modern and very functional.
The only complaint that i have is the area around it. Destroy or renovate those old federal buildings and put up something more appealing. Wasnt there plans for a new major hotel downtown ?
I agree completely, and I felt this way before the building of the arena. Those whole Civic area just looks awful. But as Mr. Bates pointed out in another thread, the architectural was applauded when it was all built in the 50s/60s. Times change.
Yes they do, and that is the reason that architecture needs to be facilitated in a way that can span generations. Stick with what is solid and will last, not what is trendy and fancy at the moment. That is Tulsa's constant curse, we always are trying too hard to be progressive, the old Civic area, Oral Roberts University, University Heights, they all are eyesores now, whereas the Boston Ave Methodist Church and the many art deco skyscrapers and University of Tulsa buildings have stood the test of time and are just as impressive as they have ever been. We should have just kept to that style, but we didn't and now we have an arena that "didn't turn out like it was planned."
I'm excited that we got the arena, and I will be excited to attend events there, but I'm a little disappointed that we seem to have made the same mistake here that we made with the Civic buildings.
Jack, I couldn't agree more. New development should respect its environment and that is not to say the past should be copied. Doing something too different than the developments surroundings can be detrimental when viewing the total community. It will and does make the existing structures look old and shabby. As architects that is one of the things we try to stay away from.
But now an again we have some architectural cowboy ride into town and present his monument to himself. Then everyone bows in reverent devotion to his "forward" thinking vision. It is quite obvious our cowboy was very insensitive to the existing environs and we will have to live with the result from now on.
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Originally posted by bacjz00
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Originally posted by citizen72
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Originally posted by bacjz00
For the record, I love the design of the building. It's beautiful.That said, I have yet to hear any official comment on the stains appearing below some of the panel/glass seams. Can someone close to the team comment?(http://www.tundraresources.com/images/bok_stains.jpg)
Many times it is the result of leaching of some of the properties of the sealant used to seal seams and joints. Stainless steel is far from being stain free. In time the staining should abate, but it also could get worse depending on the type of sealant. If you observe carefully you will see this same staining in the same areas on many buildings around town.
A great explanation. I suppose a good follow-up would be, "Should this be acceptable?"
Here is a sealant reference that I found in my library storage. In the article it does a good job of discussing exterior sealants and their properties.
http://www.bsdsoftlink.com/library/guides/div07/079200.htm
Leaching of sealants is also discussed.
I disagree. I happen to like architectural cowboys...
But I can certainly have a good time as a local citizen complaining about it, and judging by the view from the old lady on Brady, that arena looks more like my pic at the top of this page than the closeup views of the actual facility... [8D]
But I remember when the same kinds of things were said about the Myriad Botanical Gardens in OKC back in the day.... it was an impossible design because of the Oklahoma heat... it was a colossal waste of taxpayer money.... from a birdseye view, it looked like a giant syringe shooting taxpayer funded heroin into downtown OKC... I heard the rumor that the guy purposefully intended it to look like a giant syringe from the sky cuz the designer was a drug addict... [}:)]
Compare this "iconic" arena by Cesare Pelli to the Ford Center, Alltel Arena and the Intrust Bank arena being built in Wichita... rinse... repeat...
Take a seat and enjoy the ride.
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Originally posted by citizen72
The hope always is that the building manager instigate a viable maintenance program for the exterior surfaces of the building. With constant cleaning and maintenance the unsightliness of the leaching should be very much retarded. We should hope.
This IS Tulsa we are talking about...
... but I do wish this had been built in the East Village/East End instead of next door to the old arena...
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Originally posted by bacjz00
For the record, I love the design of the building. It's beautiful.That said, I have yet to hear any official comment on the stains appearing below some of the panel/glass seams. Can someone close to the team comment?
(http://www.tundraresources.com/images/bok_stains.jpg)
There may be an "official" statement on this thread at a later date but I'll go ahead and let you know what it is. With all of the dirtwork, especially recently, dirt and construction dust was blown up and gathered around the windows. The rain we've had has washed some of it down causing the black streaks. Once all the landscaping is done they won't have even a fraction of the current dust/dirt problem and then they are going to powerwash all the crap off.
To MDEPR who likes playing "where's waldo" for flaws, they just installed that sign. Sometimes it takes some time to get it all working, especially that high in the air. From watching the progress it appeared they had some trouble getting the "meatball" above the main entrance to work when they first installed it as well.
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Originally posted by USRufnex
Duct tape... or chocolate cake?!?
http://www.arenadigest.com/visits/kansas_coliseum.htm
"Kansas Coliseum seen from the outside is a long, low rusty rectangle. From a distance, it really does look like chocolate sheet cake."
(http://www.arenadigest.com/images/wichita/WichitaIMG_3071w1.jpg)
I've been there many times for Oiler games when they were playing Wichita. It looks like a high school campus. The bronze statue of the bull is also a little disturbing.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by bacjz00
For the record, I love the design of the building. It's beautiful.That said, I have yet to hear any official comment on the stains appearing below some of the panel/glass seams. Can someone close to the team comment?
(http://www.tundraresources.com/images/bok_stains.jpg)
There may be an "official" statement on this thread at a later date but I'll go ahead and let you know what it is. With all of the dirtwork, especially recently, dirt and construction dust was blown up and gathered around the windows. The rain we've had has washed some of it down causing the black streaks. Once all the landscaping is done they won't have even a fraction of the current dust/dirt problem and then they are going to powerwash all the crap off.
To MDEPR who likes playing "where's waldo" for flaws, they just installed that sign. Sometimes it takes some time to get it all working, especially that high in the air. From watching the progress it appeared they had some trouble getting the "meatball" above the main entrance to work when they first installed it as well.
Power wash to solve the problem? Respectfully I submit, "We'll see." But in the meanwhile been there done that many many times. Dirt and dust aside, leaching is a real problem to deal with. I do agree about one thing though. The building should have a regular schedule of exterior cleaning.
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Originally posted by citizen72
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by bacjz00
For the record, I love the design of the building. It's beautiful.That said, I have yet to hear any official comment on the stains appearing below some of the panel/glass seams. Can someone close to the team comment?
(http://www.tundraresources.com/images/bok_stains.jpg)
There may be an "official" statement on this thread at a later date but I'll go ahead and let you know what it is. With all of the dirtwork, especially recently, dirt and construction dust was blown up and gathered around the windows. The rain we've had has washed some of it down causing the black streaks. Once all the landscaping is done they won't have even a fraction of the current dust/dirt problem and then they are going to powerwash all the crap off.
To MDEPR who likes playing "where's waldo" for flaws, they just installed that sign. Sometimes it takes some time to get it all working, especially that high in the air. From watching the progress it appeared they had some trouble getting the "meatball" above the main entrance to work when they first installed it as well.
Power wash to solve the problem? Respectfully I submit, "We'll see." But in the meanwhile been there done that many many times. Dirt and dust aside, leaching is a real problem to deal with. I do agree about one thing though. The building should have a regular schedule of exterior cleaning.
I don't see leaching now. If what that is happens to be leaching, then why isn't it happening all over the arena, and not just concentrated around some of the ribbon windows?
That is primarily where I would expect it to happen. Many times the sealant specified for the building is not the one the glazing contractor uses for their glazing installation. Leaching under windows is common with new construction.
Some more interior pictures from a couple days ago are posted in a thread here:
http://tulsa.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1775&tid=114538605&mid=114538605&sid=1115&style=2
It's starting to look near finished. The suites are coming along and the the interior is getting the various coverings.
(http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/4209/013qm6.jpg)
Snagged a few photos from Flickr that seemed really nice. Tweaked them a bit so hope the photographers dont mind. [8D] be sure to click on them and look at them large to get a better feel for the photo.
by oilerfan07
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9635/bok8byoilerfan07cropxo8.jpg)
by dsjeffries I think these are a really neat angle, seem very artsy. Reminds me of the great photos you see of the modern architecture in Paris or Valencia. So glad WE are lucky enough to have something like that.
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5821/bok2abydsjeffriestb2.jpg)
by dsjeffries... simply beautiful
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5361/bok3abydsjeffriesik8.jpg)
By dsjeffries stunning piece of architecture, I cant think of anything in this region of the country that can hold a candle to it. Some of the museums and stuff in Denver come close. This really shows the scale too.
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9801/bokabydsjeffrieshe1.jpg)
by oilerfan07
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3117/bok2abyoilerfan07gf5.jpg)
By chrisdscott
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1892/bokbychrisdscottwk6.jpg)
Drove by it at night on Wednesday for the first time. It looks really good at night, I think.
Awesome photo taken by a friend of mine...hope she doesn't mind me posting it here! It must be shared!! [8D]
(http://members.cox.net/tulsamini/BOK.jpg)
Saw some clips on the news of the scoreboard working as well as the giant art piece over the entrance. Both very impressive.
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Awesome photo taken by a friend of mine...hope she doesn't mind me posting it here! It must be shared!! [8D]
(http://bp2.blogger.com/_VhG8uOSk-kU/SJN02GhxPBI/AAAAAAAAAG4/2YIaYFdHnn8/s1600/BOK.jpg)
Is that one of those micro shots? A super close-up? Where precisely is that little X? [:P]
I'm surprised noone has said anything about this response to the 'streaking' question...directly from Bob Eggleston via the KOTV news.
http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=8786406
So the building is dirty and needs to be washed .... big friggin deal ... it's a construction site. Why is this news?
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Originally posted by blindnil
So the building is dirty and needs to be washed .... big friggin deal ... it's a construction site. Why is this news?
Maybe because people asked about it? Here and to KOTV...
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Originally posted by blindnil
So the building is dirty and needs to be washed .... big friggin deal ... it's a construction site. Why is this news?
Maybe because people asked about it? Here and to KOTV...
Well and I posted the answer on this thread on 7/25.. If only people would come here instead of going to all those "news" places... Ha!
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Originally posted by Hoss
I'm surprised noone has said anything about this response to the 'streaking' question...directly from Bob Eggleston via the KOTV news.
http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=8786406
Not much more to say about it. Everyone has their opinion on the subject, but we will see the truth in coming years. Most of the time as the man says, "It ain't that simple."
That building will need constant cleaning to shimmer up the duct tape look.
Nice try anyway Pelli.....