Committee Meeting, Urban & Economic Development
7/22/2008
10:00 AM
200 Civic Center
Room 201, Second Floor
Agenda (//%22http://www.tulsacouncil.org/inc/search/meeting_detail.php?id=61XHNK11272007104036%22)
16. Discussion regarding the creation of a taskforce to review the potential of establishing a Tulsa Planning Commission. (Christiansen) [UED 7/22/08] 08-1676-1
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Originally posted by Double A
Committee Meeting, Urban & Economic Development
7/22/2008
10:00 AM
200 Civic Center
Room 201, Second Floor
Agenda (//%22http://www.tulsacouncil.org/inc/search/meeting_detail.php?id=61XHNK11272007104036%22)
16. Discussion regarding the creation of a taskforce to review the potential of establishing a Tulsa Planning Commission. (Christiansen) [UED 7/22/08] 08-1676-1
oh but this wasnt the best one on the agenda. Bynum's crazy resolution to make the bicycle the official vehicle for the city of tulsa takes the cake.
i wish you could speak in these meetings. I really wanted to inject a level of sanity.
I thought that was TMAPC's job? [8)]
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I thought that was TMAPC's job? [8)]
If it is, why does the TMAPC let INCOG call all the shots?
btw, I forgot to mention that they moved this item to the UED meeting next week....I think Christiansen is chair of that? Not sure.
There will be a vote to form a sub committee that (I am guessing) will make some sort of recommendation.
TMAPC's days look numbered[}:)]
City may start own planning board (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080731_11_A4_Apooao217622%22)
By P.J. LASSEK World Staff Writer
7/31/2008
A proposal to study the idea goes to the City Council today.
The City Council is considering whether the city should have its own planning commission instead of using the Tulsa Metropolitan Area Planning Commission.
"TMAPC is an implementation tool that has served Tulsa admirably for many years," Councilor Bill Christiansen said of the group, which is administered through the Indian Nations Council of Governments.
But as with the process of reviewing and revamping the city's comprehensive plan, "we owe it to Tulsa's citizens, as well as its businesses, to review and possibly refresh the planning commission that will implement Tulsa's new comprehensive plan," he said.
Christiansen proposed during a council committee meeting Tuesday that the council form a subcommittee to explore creating a commission "that exists solely to facilitate Tulsa taking charge of its own destiny."
The council is expected to vote Thursday on the proposed subcommittee.
Christiansen said a city planning commis- sion "could prove to be of extraordinary value in moving Tulsa forward."
The council was told that Tulsa pays INCOG to run the Planning Commission and to provide items such as
master plans for river, trails and street and highway development.
The city will pay INCOG $192,000 this year. About half of that funds the Planning Commission, and the rest goes for dues, of which Tulsa pays substantially more than other communities in the area do.
Christiansen noted that about 80 percent of the zoning cases heard by the Planning Commission are city-related, but not all of its volunteer members are Tulsa residents. The commission only makes recommendations; the council makes final decisions.
Layer upon layer of government. Enough to make a Reuplicpuke on hypocrisy.
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Layer upon layer of government. Enough to make a Reuplicpuke on hypocrisy.
Are ya fer it, or agin it?
Don't care....but there is already too many gophers and moles in planning our Tulsa. Many hiding out in TNF holes, btw.
INCLOG and TAMPON have done a terrible job over the years.....just gotta poke around.
Albirdies, Hardts', Saks' etc. .....it's all incestual and they feed off each other's tits.
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Christiansen said a city planning commission "could prove to be of extraordinary value in moving Tulsa forward."
Could having a city planning commission move Tulsa forward toward expanded market opportunities for even more white chocolate hot chocolate?
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Originally posted by FOTD
Don't care....but there is already too many gophers and moles in planning our Tulsa. Many hiding out in TNF holes, btw.
INCLOG and TAMPON have done a terrible job over the years.....just gotta poke around.
Albirdies, Hardts', Saks' etc. .....it's all incestual and they feed off each other's tits.
Agreed. This task force got approved tonight. I hope it doesn't get perverted or subverted. I'll be keeping a critical eye on their progress. God bless Liz Wright for showing up to speak on this. We need more public servants like her.
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oh but this wasnt the best one on the agenda. Bynum's crazy resolution to make the bicycle the official vehicle for the city of tulsa takes the cake.
i wish you could speak in these meetings. I really wanted to inject a level of sanity.
Yo, genius, read the FINE print on the resolution (//%22http://www.tulsacouncil.org/inc/search/backup_list.php?id=2X4ULTU7182008110147%22).
With $6 gas, WHO'S AFRAID OF BICYCLES?
Also, by the time the City Hall geniuses fix the streets, if EVER, most of Tulsa will NOT be able to afford to drive cars.
28% of Tulsans, (//%22http://www.cityoftulsa.org/CityServices/Streets/documents/COSREPORT_1.pdf%22) almost 100,000, ALREADY don't have access to motor vehicles. The streets will be bike routes. So, why EVEN bother with the Street Tax?
Will the REAL village IDIOT please STAND UP?
Howdy, Paul.
Anyone taking bets on how long before he's bounced again?
Too late.
Already bounced.
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Originally posted by inteller
Bynum's crazy resolution to make the bicycle the official vehicle for the city of tulsa takes the cake.
I was really hoping the City Council would consider the merits of the tricycle as Tulsa's official vehicle. Trikes are often tragically overlooked and underrated during important legislative discussions. What a shame...
I'm angered, but mostly disappointed. [V] [:(!] [V]
Tulsa needs it's own Planning Department.
INCOG and TMAPC are non-governmental organizations which are subscription-based and purely voluntary as to subscription.
The 'benefit', as politicians see it, is the City's ablility to mask many of the activities and prevent public access to information, as well as data, maps, etc. by the public at large.
That's why we hear of something one day, and the next there's a 24-board set of renderings, already well past the planning stage.
I once went to INCOG to obtain some map data and felt like I was applying for a job. Before they could even tell me if they had or could get what I wanted, they needed to know what it was I wanted it for, how I intended to use it and generally everything else about my private activities and intentions.
City planning and METRO planning (as done by INCOG and TMAPC) are descrete things and do need coordination, but strictly regional planning is not what Tulsans expect or wish to pay for. Much of those resources are spent helping suburban members, often at the expense of Tulsa, for which they have no particular loyalties.
Tulsa's master plan should be handled by a City of Tulsa Department of Planning, providing input to INCOG and TMAPC, not the other way around.
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Originally posted by inteller
Bynum's crazy resolution to make the bicycle the official vehicle for the city of tulsa takes the cake.
I was really hoping the City Council would consider the merits of the tricycle as Tulsa's official vehicle. Trikes are often tragically overlooked and underrated during important legislative discussions. What a shame...
I'm angered, but mostly disappointed. [V] [:(!] [V]
We should be more progressive and choose the segway. or Toyota wing.
If there is any form of transportation that is discriminated against in Tulsa it's skateboards. It's about time that skateboarders demanded their rights to Tulsa streets and trails. [:D] Let's see if we can get Councilor Bynum to write a resolution.[}:)]
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City planning and METRO planning (as done by INCOG and TMAPC) are descrete things and do need coordination, but strictly regional planning is not what Tulsans expect or wish to pay for. Much of those resources are spent helping suburban members, often at the expense of Tulsa, for which they have no particular loyalties.
Tulsa's master plan should be handled by a City of Tulsa Department of Planning, providing input to INCOG and TMAPC, not the other way around.
I met with Counselor Bynum and others on Thursday about the proposed changes to Tulsa's bicycling ordinances, the proposed Council resolution about bicycle use, and some other issues. There seems to be consensus that the city should develop a Comprehensive Bicycle Master Plan as part of the Transportation Advisory Board. This is all very preliminary, of course, and nothing is firm. But one idea that showed promise was to develop such a plan as a model to be disseminated by INCOG to their member governments.
This is one very small part of the advisory board's work, and like I said, it's not definite yet. But Tulsa is the big dog in area government. I can certainly see Tulsa setting a precedent that others will follow, but somehow I can't see, say Collinsville, setting one that Tulsa would adopt.