Since I am becoming an Oklahoma resident, I am thinking about getting a CCW.
Seems like a lot of people have them in Oklahoma.
My boss said to go to Tulsa Firearms to take the course. He is going to loan me a pistol to take the course with.
My questions are these:
Do lots of people here regularly carry guns?
What would you carry? (My boss said to take the course with a semi auto pistol, but a revolver is a better pistol for someone who doesn't have a lot of experience with firearms).
Any advice would be appreciated.
You need to get your permit for the semi-automatic, because you will automatically be able to carry any of 3 categories - semi-automatic, revolver or derringer.
That's what my boss told me. He has a lot of guns, and buys a lot from on line auctions.
I'd like to have a Walther PPK or HK P7.
I have a conceal carry license and if you can take with semi or derringer, there is another school that I recommend Tulsa defensive shooting acedemy www.tdsatulsa.com I think you will enjoy this class
That's what my boss told me. He has a lot of guns, and buys a lot from on line auctions.
I'd like to have a Walther PPK or HK P7.
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Originally posted by Rex
That's what my boss told me. He has a lot of guns, and buys a lot from on line auctions.
I'd like to have a Walther PPK or HK P7.
I'm actually preparing to purchase my first handgun (I've used shotguns quite frequently in the past) and will be getting my C&C. My brother already has one. I'm looking at buying a Springfield subcompact 40 semi
Be prepared for a wait of up to 2 months to receive your license once you've completed and passed the course.
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Rex
That's what my boss told me. He has a lot of guns, and buys a lot from on line auctions.
I'd like to have a Walther PPK or HK P7.
I'm actually preparing to purchase my first handgun (I've used shotguns quite frequently in the past) and will be getting my C&C. My brother already has one. I'm looking at buying a Springfield subcompact 40 semi
Be prepared for a wait of up to 2 months to receive your license once you've completed and passed the course.
A buddy of mine picked up a S'pfld sub-compact 45, said it was awesome. He's used to 1911's and all their variants.
For very close work and easy/comfortable to conceal, I recommend a Beretta .32 Tomcat. No, not as big a round as a 38 snub nose, but with hydra-shocks it'll stop people.
The Tomcat has a tip up barrell? One the legal assistants where I work has one that is a 22. Pretty neat.
Rex, I'd suggest you not go to Tulsa Firearms for your course, seriously. And definitely don't buy your gun from them. =]
Go to TDSA as was mentioned a few posts back. Marshall and his crew of instructors are some of the best around here and you will not be disappointed. Their CCW class is also best for someone new to guns as he spends some time going over basics that are not included in your average CCW class curriculum.
As far as purchasing your first gun I'd suggest Oklahoma Police Supply (Admiral between Sheridan and Yale - it's not just for the police), SportsWorld (41st and Sheridan) or even a gunshow. I wouldn't visit Dong's either.
Take the test with a semi auto pistol then you can carry a revolver or the semi-auto...If you take it with a revolver thats what you will be limited too....
Do NOT take your course at Tulsa Firearms. Stay away from there. Try TDSA, Tulsa Gun Club, Medlock's in Collinsville, or Concealed Carry in BA. Anywhere but TFA.
Also check out Oklahoma Shooters Association at OKShooters (//%22http://www.okshooters.com%22) for good info.
bob
So, you should go to fancy stores to buy guns? I thought you can buy them just fine from parking lots.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
So, you should go to fancy stores to buy guns? I thought you can buy them just fine from parking lots.
If you go to the parts of town where you can buy guns in the parking lot, you should already be packing and have your CCL. [;)]
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Originally posted by Rex
The Tomcat has a tip up barrell? One the legal assistants where I work has one that is a 22. Pretty neat.
Yes it does. The .22 and .32 are double-action, the .25 is single action. It's a nice extra safety feature, especially if you have not fired all rounds when you are at the range. Accuracy suffers due to the short barrel, but as I said, they are designed for "close work".
What's the deal with Tulsa Firearms? I've been shooting there before, but no other contacts. Do they have a bad rap?
I can attest that I have heard good things about TDSA.
Also, REX - try to take the course with the firearm you intent to carry. It is strongly preferred.
Something to keep in mind, the ccw class if I remember right doesn't teach anything at all about safety, handling guns or shooting. It was mostly legal shoot or don't shoot stuff they talked about. So if you're a newbie you should really look into learning some basics first.
When I went, there was a lady there with her guy, you could tell she'd never done much with a pistol before. When she was doing the actual target qualification I was either in the group before or after her so I wasn't shooting I was watching her group shoot from behind the glass. She got 2 shots off screamed and dropped her pistol to the floor. Her hand was covered in blood. She had had the web between her thumb and index finger way too high on the backstrap of the pistol and the action of the slide sliced it open.
This song made me want to be a gunfighter when I was young...especially they Bob Weir version.
Marty Robbins "Big Iron"
To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day
Hardly spoke to folks around him, didn't have too much to say
No one dared to ask his business, no one dared to make a slip
The stranger there among them had a big iron on his hip
Big iron on his hip
It was early in the morning when he rode into the town
He came riding from the south side, slowly looking all around
He's an outlaw loose and running, came a whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with a big iron on his hip
Big iron on his hip
In this town there lived an outlaw by the name of Texas Red
Many men had tried to take him and that many men were dead
He was vicious and a killer, though a youth of twenty four
And the notches on his pistol numbered one and nineteen more
One and nineteen more
Now the stranger started talking, made it plain to folks around
He was an Arizonia Ranger, wouldn't be too long in town
He was here to take an outlaw back alive or maybe dead
And he said it didn't matter that he was after Texas Red
After Texas Red
Wasn't long before this story was relayed to Texas Red
But the outlaw didn't worry, men that tried before were dead
Twenty men had tried to take him, twenty men had made a slip
Twenty one would be the Ranger with the big iron on his hip
Big iron on his hip
Now the morning passed so quickly and it was time for them to meet
It was twenty past eleven when they walked out in the street
Folks were watching from their windows, everybody held their breath
They knew this handsome Ranger was about to meet his death
About to meet his death
There was twenty feet between them when they stopped to make their play
And the swiftness of the Ranger is still talked about today
Texas Red had not cleared leather when a bullet fairly ripped
And the Ranger's aim was deadly, with the big iron on his hip
Big iron on his hip
It was over in a moment and the crowd all gathered 'round
There before them lay the body of the outlaw on the ground
Oh, he might have went on living but he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger with the big iron on his hip
Big iron on his hip
Big iron, big iron
Oh when he tried to match the Ranger with the big iron on his hip
Big iron on his hip
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Originally posted by Rex
That's what my boss told me. He has a lot of guns, and buys a lot from on line auctions.
I'd like to have a Walther PPK or HK P7.
Good for you for taking the steps for your CCW.
I used to work for Tulsa Firearms. I don't go there anymore. Take that for what it's worth.
The two choices above I would not recommend. The PPK slide will bite you, I've seen it happen to almost everyone who shoots one. It almost got me, but I knew how to hold it. In a panic situation, it will bite you. Even so, a gun that bites is not fun to shoot. Not fun to shoot=a gun that will not be practiced with.
The HK P7 pistols are fun autocockers, but again not one I would recommend for someone starting out. Plus they are fairly expensive.
Take a look at a SIG P239. Nice gun, not big, easy controls, smooth shooter. I like the SIGs alot. From the abuse they get at the range, they're very tough and reliable.
BTW, I carry a Springfield 1911 in 45ACP. Locked and loaded baby[:)]
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Originally posted by Jeepguy
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Originally posted by Rex
That's what my boss told me. He has a lot of guns, and buys a lot from on line auctions.
I'd like to have a Walther PPK or HK P7.
Good for you for taking the steps for your CCW.
I used to work for Tulsa Firearms. I don't go there anymore. Take that for what it's worth.
The two choices above I would not recommend. The PPK slide will bite you, I've seen it happen to almost everyone who shoots one. It almost got me, but I knew how to hold it. In a panic situation, it will bite you. Even so, a gun that bites is not fun to shoot. Not fun to shoot=a gun that will not be practiced with.
The HK P7 pistols are fun autocockers, but again not one I would recommend for someone starting out. Plus they are fairly expensive.
Take a look at a SIG P239. Nice gun, not big, easy controls, smooth shooter. I like the SIGs alot. From the abuse they get at the range, they're very tough and reliable.
BTW, I carry a Springfield 1911 in 45ACP. Locked and loaded baby[:)]
I have a SIG P225 in 9mm and I love the thing. I'll have it for the rest of my life and trust it to fire every time I pull the trigger.
I don't carry, but if I decide too, I might consider a P239 for a tiny bit less bulk and the rounded trigger guard. Still I'm a skinny guy, either of these pistols would be tough for me to actually carry around concealed (I think they only come in 9mm and .40). I think I would go for something more compact in a smaller calliber.
Keep in mind, CCW permit is not a permit to carry a gun, it's a permit to carry one concealed..
Open carry is still legal, with certain exceptions (schools, Post Office, etc.) and not terribly fashionable.
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Originally posted by patric
Keep in mind, CCW permit is not a permit to carry a gun, it's a permit to carry one concealed..
Open carry is still legal, with certain exceptions (schools, Post Office, etc.) and not terribly fashionable.
Think your wrong about this one pal. I'm pretty darn sure that open carry is illegal in Oklahoma. I believe it IS legal in NM. Not sure about other surrounding states. Attorneys?
We went by my boss' house to drop off his Escalade. I got to see some of his firearms. He has five safes full! I guess I should have known he was serious about guns when the legal assistants and his wife are armed! She has a .38 Smith and Wesson with pink rubber grips!
He has a lot of German guns. Walther PPK pistols from before World War 2, etc. Engraved Colts and all kinds of crap. It's really neat.
I saw a Beretta Tomcat and a Beretta 84 in 380. I also saw a Walther P 88 and P 99 that were cool.
I'd like the looks of the Sig Sauer pistols, especially the model 228.
Sigs are very good. I prefer a Glock though, myself.
Just go test some out (Medlock's rents guns, so does Tulsa Firearms but we've already been over that, they suck.) and see what works best for you and what fits your hand best.
Oh and your boss would probably prefer you not post on the internets about his 5 safes full of guns. I'm just guessing, I could be wrong.
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Sigs are very good. I prefer a Glock though, myself.
Just go test some out (Medlock's rents guns, so does Tulsa Firearms but we've already been over that, they suck.) and see what works best for you and what fits your hand best.
Oh and your boss would probably prefer you not post on the internets about his 5 safes full of guns. I'm just guessing, I could be wrong.
Yup...He should edit that post......
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Attorneys?
Ooh, Oooh, HERE!
Open carry
is not legal in Oklahoma.
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A. It shall be unlawful for any person to carry upon or about his or her person, or in a purse or other container belonging to the person, any pistol, revolver, shotgun or rifle whether loaded or unloaded or any dagger, bowie knife, dirk knife, switchblade knife, spring-type knife, sword cane, knife having a blade which opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring, or other device in the handle of the knife, blackjack, loaded cane, billy, hand chain, metal knuckles, or any other offensive weapon, whether such weapon be concealed or unconcealed, except this section shall not prohibit:
1. The proper use of guns and knives for hunting, fishing, educational or recreational purposes;
2. The carrying or use of weapons in a manner otherwise permitted by statute or authorized by the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act;
3. The carrying, possession and use of any weapon by a peace officer or other person authorized by law to carry a weapon in the performance of official duties and in compliance with the rules of the employing agency;
4. The carrying or use of weapons in a courthouse by a district judge, associate district judge or special district judge within this state, who is in possession of a valid concealed handgun license issued pursuant to the provisions of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act and whose name appears on a list maintained by the Administrative Director of the Courts; or
5. The carrying and use of firearms and other weapons provided in this subsection when used for the purpose of living history reenactment. For purposes of this paragraph, "living history reenactment" means depiction of historical characters, scenes, historical life or events for entertainment, education, or historical documentation through the wearing or use of period, historical, antique or vintage clothing, accessories, firearms, weapons, and other implements of the historical period.
B. Any person convicted of violating the foregoing provision shall be guilty of a misdemeanor punishable as provided in Section 1276 of this title.
Don't carry a gun without a conceal and carry and don't carry one not concealed. The latter is probably a faster way to jail, but the former will probably get you there eventually. There are online petitions to renew the right to open carry if you desire (mixed bag IMHO).
Ah, ha. Looks like there have been changes since former District Attorney Bill Lafortune published his little yellow booklets on firearms in Oklahoma. (they were handy, too)
Seems Ive been operating under exception 5 while doing living history events (before that became an exception it seems).
Im guessing that was changed about the time they allowed judges to carry. Exchanging the public's right to open carry for a judge's right to have a gun in court doesnt seem like a fair trade to me.
Pitty that such erosions happen with so little commentary.
So we have some law that allows one to keep their gun in their car at their workplace. But if you have a CCW and you don't drive to work, does that mean you're out of luck? Seems backwards.
You can keep an unloaded weapon in a vehicle. Opinion seems to differ on how far your ammo is supposed to be from said weapon when it's unloaded in your vehicle.
Where is Medlocks?
Is Sportsworld a good place to buy a gun?
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Originally posted by Rex
Where is Medlocks?
Is Sportsworld a good place to buy a gun?
I just bought a Glock from Sports World and Conan pointed out to me. Used, but in great shape. Glock 22 (40 Cal. S&W). Based on the serial number it looks like it was FBI issue (Glock 22 is the standard issue FBI gun). I searched high and low and it was the cheapest price I could find (internet or otherwise).