What is the status of this? When it was announced that QT bought the site of the former Camelot hotel, QT was going to build their 500th store. With the delays that arose during demolition, that proved impossible. Since then, I've heard nothing. Any body else heard anything?
I heard they opened their 500th store in Broken Arrow.
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Originally posted by dsjeffries
I heard they opened their 500th store in Broken Arrow.
Right. I know they already opened their 500th somewhere else, so BA is likely. But I'm still curious what the plans are for the old Camelot site. It was supposed to be a gas station as well as some mixed-use development.
My understanding is it is on hold waiting for the highway expansion.
I wish that could have been another Hotel....Preferably a Hampton Inn....
Store #500 was opened in May at 71st and 161st in Broken Arrow. They were going to make the one on Peoria the 500th but there were delays due to the highway expansion. Maybe 600....ha!
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Originally posted by Townsend
My understanding is it is on hold waiting for the highway expansion.
You've got to be kidding. So, basically, it'll be vacant for another 5-10 years. Awesome.
I think the lack of distinct highway plan more than the actual construction is holding it up. They need to know when and where their property will be effected.
Moving ahead, with some modifications:
http://www.tmapc.org/Agenda/02-01-12/AC-113.pdf
I didn't see the lighting plan in their exhibit, though.
Quote from: patric on January 26, 2012, 11:33:48 PM
Moving ahead, with some modifications:
http://www.tmapc.org/Agenda/02-01-12/AC-113.pdf
I didn't see the lighting plan in their exhibit, though.
Looking at the plan, the overhead looks like a GenIII store.
Quote from: patric on January 26, 2012, 11:33:48 PM
Moving ahead, with some modifications:
http://www.tmapc.org/Agenda/02-01-12/AC-113.pdf
I didn't see the lighting plan in their exhibit, though.
I suspect whatever the lighting plan is, it will piss you off severely. ;)
Quote from: Conan71 on January 27, 2012, 08:45:44 AM
I suspect whatever the lighting plan is, it will piss you off severely. ;)
that's like saying water is wet, C...
Quote from: Hoss on January 27, 2012, 08:56:08 AM
that's like saying water is wet, C...
Dehydrated water isn't.
We are very lucky to have them based here. I just wish they would move from their headquarters out in the sticks and move in/build something downtown. I know they just built those headquarters not too long ago, so it's not likely. Also, it would be ironic for a company that benifits from heavy car use and sprawl to build something that would promote density. Also, since we they are based here Tulsan's seem to be gas station snobs. When My wife and drove back from MA this summer I remember seeing the first QT and thinking "Oh God! Civilization!"
But more on point, I wonder if they will close the 45th and peoria location. I live between riverside and peoria on 45th and use that QT all the time.
Ok, one final note. I realized the other day that a mythbusters episode (the one about cell phones causing gas station fires) had a segment in front of a QT. I began to wonder where it was filmed. I looked up the guy that the interviewed and sure enough, he (and the orangization he represents) are based in Tulsa. I looked up his email and asked him if it was filmed here. And it turns out yes, there is a mythbusters segment filmed in Tulsa. We are now famous.
Boy talk about thread drift....
Quote from: jacobi on January 27, 2012, 09:19:09 AM
We are very lucky to have them based here. I just wish they would move from their headquarters out in the sticks and move in/build something downtown. I know they just built those headquarters not too long ago, so it's not likely. Also, it would be ironic for a company that benifits from heavy car use and sprawl to build something that would promote density. Also, since we they are based here Tulsan's seem to be gas station snobs. When My wife and drove back from MA this summer I remember seeing the first QT and thinking "Oh God! Civilization!"
But more on point, I wonder if they will close the 45th and peoria location. I live between riverside and peoria on 45th and use that QT all the time.
Ok, one final note. I realized the other day that a mythbusters episode (the one about cell phones causing gas station fires) had a segment in front of a QT. I began to wonder where it was filmed. I looked up the guy that the interviewed and sure enough, he (and the orangization he represents) are based in Tulsa. I looked up his email and asked him if it was filmed here. And it turns out yes, there is a mythbusters segment filmed in Tulsa. We are now famous.
Boy talk about thread drift....
If they left their HQ in east Tulsa they'd lose the go cart track that is the parking lot! Also, they went as far east as possible without leaving the city limits.
QuoteIf they left their HQ in east Tulsa they'd lose the go cart track that is the parking lot! Also, they went as far east as possible without leaving the city limits.
Yeah My dad's office is across the street. Also, it just would mean that they would have to build a go cart track on the top three floors of their building (most fun and dangerous idea I've ever had!)
Quote from: jacobi on January 27, 2012, 09:19:09 AM
We are very lucky to have them based here. I just wish they would move from their headquarters out in the sticks and move in/build something downtown. I know they just built those headquarters not too long ago, so it's not likely. Also, it would be ironic for a company that benifits from heavy car use and sprawl to build something that would promote density. Also, since we they are based here Tulsan's seem to be gas station snobs. When My wife and drove back from MA this summer I remember seeing the first QT and thinking "Oh God! Civilization!"
But more on point, I wonder if they will close the 45th and peoria location. I live between riverside and peoria on 45th and use that QT all the time.
Ok, one final note. I realized the other day that a mythbusters episode (the one about cell phones causing gas station fires) had a segment in front of a QT. I began to wonder where it was filmed. I looked up the guy that the interviewed and sure enough, he (and the orangization he represents) are based in Tulsa. I looked up his email and asked him if it was filmed here. And it turns out yes, there is a mythbusters segment filmed in Tulsa. We are now famous.
Boy talk about thread drift....
Not likely because their HQ is huge. I work across the street from it. It's not as 'out in the sticks' as you might think.
Quote from: Conan71 on January 27, 2012, 08:45:44 AM
I suspect whatever the lighting plan is, it will piss you off severely. ;)
They did quite well with the 21st and Memorial store, and eventually the 21st and Harvard one once the defective plan they filed was fixed.
The theory of "Moth-Effect Marketing" is an obsolete petroleum industry model to attract customers through the use of bad lighting, rather than by creating trust and goodwill in the minds of customers (as QT seems very capable of doing).
No reason a GenIII store cant be easy on the eyes, as well.
QuoteNot likely because their HQ is huge. I work across the street from it. It's not as 'out in the sticks' as you might think.
Anything east of Harvard and south of 31st street is the sticks. I'm being very generous. For the record, by that definition, I live in the sticks.
Quote from: jacobi on January 27, 2012, 11:21:49 AM
Anything east of Harvard and south of 31st street is the sticks. I'm being very generous. For the record, by that definition, I live in the sticks.
Wow. Then I live in BFE.
Quote from: jacobi on January 27, 2012, 11:21:49 AM
Anything east of Harvard and south of 31st street is the sticks. I'm being very generous. For the record, by that definition, I live in the sticks.
From your response to the link of the Boston, MA street view I posted, I'm surprised you don't claim everything outside of the IDL is in the sticks. Not bashing, just noting.
I used to say: Nothing south of 21st. Nothing west of the river. Nothing North of the IDL. Nothing east of peoria (excepting Cherry St. to St. louis, not all the way To Utica. Then I softened in my old age. If I still lived downtown, that would be my world.
I kind of want to see QT open an urban downtown concept store, with or without a gasoline pump. They have a good reputation for food and drinks. I have seen 7-11's in major downtown markets without gas pumps. They make money off lunch crowds and visitors looking for snacks or other goods. Somewhere in the Brady would be nice with the influx of new residents and hotel guests.
Quote from: jacobi on January 27, 2012, 01:12:12 PM
I used to say: Nothing south of 21st. Nothing west of the river. Nothing North of the IDL. Nothing east of peoria (excepting Cherry St. to St. louis, not all the way To Utica. Then I softened in my old age. If I still lived downtown, that would be my world.
I live near Cherry Street, so my wife and I have what she calls her "square." I consider 41st and Yale the extreme southeast edge of my square, but prefer to stay within the northwest bounds of 31st and Harvard. I only extend to Yale for Target, the AMC and Hollywood theaters, and the Promenade which is the only mall you can even remotely convince me to step into (though I still hate malls in general). I only once in a blue moon venture to the 71st and 169 nightmare area. I still make it to Tulsa Hills every now and again only because of easy access and traffic has not shut it down in the same manner as 71st and 169. I really hope they never outgrow their traffic infrastructure.
QuoteI kind of want to see QT open an urban downtown concept store, with or without a gasoline pump. They have a good reputation for food and drinks. I have seen 7-11's in major downtown markets without gas pumps. They make money off lunch crowds and visitors looking for snacks or other goods. Somewhere in the Brady would be nice with the influx of new residents and hotel guests.
I've thought that for a long time. It would diversify their product mix. Wait did I just sound like a business major? I need a shower...(I keed, I keed)
Quote from: DowntownDan on January 27, 2012, 01:15:17 PM
I kind of want to see QT open an urban downtown concept store, with or without a gasoline pump. They have a good reputation for food and drinks. I have seen 7-11's in major downtown markets without gas pumps. They make money off lunch crowds and visitors looking for snacks or other goods. Somewhere in the Brady would be nice with the influx of new residents and hotel guests.
Yes, it's the only thing they should try to copy about 7-11 though. I've always thought the empty building at the SE corner of 4th & Elgin would be a good spot for an urban convenience store or pharmacy especially if more residential develops in the east end.
QuoteYes, it's the only thing they should try to copy about 7-11 though. I've always thought the empty building at the SE corner of 4th & Elgin would be a good spot for an urban convenience store or pharmacy especially if more residential develops in the east end.
That building was one of the recipients of the last round of downtown housing money. It would prevent them from doing that sort of thing, though.
I had the opportunity to be in multiple meetings with Chet in 2007 and on multiple occasions nearly begged for a sans-gas QT downtown. I'd love to see them do a concept store at 4th & Main with an expanded fresh fruit section.
There are several 7-11's in downtown Dallas, a lot of them opened in the past couple years. A downtown C-store would be a nice amenity for visitors and residents.
Everytime I stay in downtown Dallas I end up visiting 7-11 several times. Snacks and beers later in the evening. Snacks and coffee in the morning.
I heard that c-store at 4th and Main used to be a QuikTrip a long time ago. It definitely looks like a store that hasn't been updated in decades. I'm assuming some of those bags of chips in the back of the racks are vintage.
I also used to think a Braums with their expanded market would be a good business model downtown to fill the need for a grocery store while staying profitable with fast food lunch and ice cream sales. I never expected to have two grocery stores prepared to open this quickly though. I much prefer the full grocery stores going in.
I'm not sure you can call either of those places a full grocery store. They're both a fraction the size of the types of grocery stores most people shop at.
For the record, there is a conveinience store downtown. They even sell beer now. They are only open til 6 though. The owner claims that depsite having a larger population living downtown, his business has gone down.
Quote from: TheTed on January 27, 2012, 03:12:15 PM
I heard that c-store at 4th and Main used to be a QuikTrip a long time ago. It definitely looks like a store that hasn't been updated in decades. I'm assuming some of those bags of chips in the back of the racks are vintage.
I walked by that store yesterday and I realized I always forget about it. Indeed, when talking about the need for a downtown conveninece store it almost never gets mentioned. Do you think that is because it is an independent and lacks the branding of a chain? Would improved product offerings and hours of operation help, or is it doomed by its location on Main?
I would love to see something like this downtown, just with something like QT on the front
(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss9/custosnox/7-eleven.jpg)
The owner was convinced that businesses were fleeing from downtown. He is right nixt door to the almost full mayo building. I think he isn't marketing enough.
Quote from: jacobi on January 27, 2012, 05:04:58 PM
For the record, there is a conveinience store downtown. They even sell beer now. They are only open til 6 though. The owner claims that depsite having a larger population living downtown, his business has gone down.
It's also not open on weekends. It's also an old-style convenience store. It's nothing compared to a QT or 7-11 when it comes to food offerings.
There's a strong correlation between when he started selling beer and the increase in the number of vagrants brown-bagging it outside the store.
I work a block away from Treats and never go in there.
Overpriced dusty merchandise.
The place could use an upgrade.
I noticed it the other day when running an errand. My first impression was that the appearace was out dated and a bit run down, bad signage. Didn't have an interesting look to it at all. I wouldn't likely go in there.
When I was in NYC this summer every bodega went in reminded me of that place. I might occasionally be one of he people brown bagging it. :). I know I keep it classy. But in the summer when it's hot and I go for a nce long ride on my bike, I'll stop in there and buy two or three 32oz cans of high life then go find a shady place in a park (there are quite a few options now) and hang out and read til the sun goes down.
(thread drift!)
Quote from: Hoss on January 27, 2012, 12:33:27 AM
Looking at the plan, the overhead looks like a GenIII store.
you are correct, it will be a Gen 3 store.
The Gen 3 store at 61st and 145th E Av opens this Thursday the 2nd. It has the most gas pumps that I have seen for a QT. Even Diesel fuel.
Quote from: DolfanBob on January 30, 2012, 08:28:35 AM
The Gen 3 store at 61st and 145th E Av opens this Thursday the 2nd. It has the most gas pumps that I have seen for a QT. Even Diesel fuel.
My brother was telling me they had a lot. I know the first Gen3 (51st/129th) has diesel also, but I've never counted how many pumps they have. I think 20, but I may be wrong.
Quote from: DowntownDan on January 27, 2012, 03:39:41 PM
I also used to think a Braums with their expanded market would be a good business model downtown to fill the need for a grocery store while staying profitable with fast food lunch and ice cream sales. I never expected to have two grocery stores prepared to open this quickly though. I much prefer the full grocery stores going in.
I understand OKC begged for the Braums family to open a store downtown and they refused. If they won't do it in their hometown where will they do it?
I still hold that QT would do great business downtown but I'm no c-store guy.
My guess is that they could probably do gas-less, but they can't do giant parkinglot-less. And it isn't really their fault, it is just the state of the average consumer. If they offered a location with limited parking, "Urban" if you will, people in cars with expectations about QuikTrip will go there and leave angry if they are inconvenienced in the process of parking, getting in, and getting out. People, even in their own ignorance about what QuikTrip would be trying to do with an urbanized location, leaving with a bad impression about QuikTrip is bad for QuikTrip. And I'm sure they've already done this math. And that is why they keep adding parking capacity and space to maneuver in and out at every location they can (see 21st & Harvard or 36th & Peoria for instance).
At the very least they would have to use different branding for an urban shop to differentiate expectations and lasting impression.
I wonder what their product mix is like. It may not be worth it for them to do an urban (gasless) store. If it was a matter of brand synergy (Christ! I sould like a yuppy). Then all they would have to do is rebrand their urban store as something slightly different.
Quote from: YoungTulsan on January 31, 2012, 08:39:07 AM
My guess is that they could probably do gas-less, but they can't do giant parkinglot-less. And it isn't really their fault, it is just the state of the average consumer. If they offered a location with limited parking, "Urban" if you will, people in cars with expectations about QuikTrip will go there and leave angry if they are inconvenienced in the process of parking, getting in, and getting out. People, even in their own ignorance about what QuikTrip would be trying to do with an urbanized location, leaving with a bad impression about QuikTrip is bad for QuikTrip. And I'm sure they've already done this math. And that is why they keep adding parking capacity and space to maneuver in and out at every location they can (see 21st & Harvard or 36th & Peoria for instance).
At the very least they would have to use different branding for an urban shop to differentiate expectations and lasting impression.
They already do have at least one gasless store guys. Inside the Sprint Center in downtown KC. May not be the best example, at least one exists.
Oklahoma Central Credit Union opens new headquarters at former Camelot Hotel site
QuoteOklahoma Central Credit Union celebrated its new headquarters and branch Tuesday at the former site of the Camelot Hotel, which was torn down nearly five years ago.
The new facility on the northwest corner of 51st Street and Peoria Avenue will have banking services on the first floor. The second and third floors of the 22,000-square-foot building will house Oklahoma Central Credit Union's administrative and executive offices.
"The new branch keeps us on track to meet several of our long-range goals," President and CEO Gina Wilson said in a statement. "This is a unique opportunity to reintroduce ourselves to the people and the businesses in the area, and to help bring commerce back to the old Camelot Hotel site."
Oklahoma Central Credit Union has been operating in the Brookside region since 1969. The new facility replaces an old branch which was one mile south on Peoria Avenue.
"The old building has been a mainstay in the community and in our credit union for over 40 years but we have outgrown it," Wilson said.
Oklahoma Central Credit Union's current headquarters at 11335 E. 41st St. will continue to operate as the OCCU's flagship branch. The financial firm has nearly 33,000 members and nine branches in the Tulsa area.
The nearly six-acre lot at 51st and Peoria was home to the historic Camelot Hotel, built in the mid-1960s. The eight-story building was considered Tulsa's most distinctive hotel for decades, but it fell into disrepair and was razed beginning in September 2007.
QuikTrip Corp. bought the site in June 2007 with plans to build its 500th store to celebrate its 50th anniversary. The Tulsa-based chain delayed its construction plans due to the long-term widening project on nearby Interstate 44.
Oklahoma Central Credit Union bought four acres from QuikTrip in 2009. QuikTrip finally began construction of its nearby store in April.
"Our plans are to have the store up and operating in the middle of October," QuikTrip spokesman Michael Thornbrugh said, noting the local boost of having two new building projects in that part of Brookside. "I really think it'll help the area."
Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=51&articleid=20120711_51_E1_CUTLIN575085