There is a site called Israel Insider that has some information that Barack Obama's birth certificate possibly could be fake because it lacks the raised seal and other items. They show another birth certificate of an Hawaiian for comparison. I'm no expert but its worth reviewing.
"...The Obama campaign, however, continues to flaunt the unstamped, unsealed, uncertified document -- notably in very low resolution -- on its "Fight the Smears" website, with campaign officials vowing that it's authentic, sending the image around as "proof" to reporters, and inviting supporters to refer to it as they battle against supposed distortions and calumnies against their candidate. However, the campaign refuses to produce an authentic original birth certificate from the year of Obama's birth, or even a paper version with seal and signature of the "Certification of Live Birth." Nor has it even published an electronic copy with the requisite embossed seal and signature..."
Israelinsider (//%22http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm%22)
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Originally posted by Derailed
There is a site called Israel Insider that has some information that Barack Obama's birth certificate possibly could be fake because it lacks the raised seal and other items. They show another birth certificate of an Hawaiian for comparison. I'm no expert but its worth reviewing.
"...The Obama campaign, however, continues to flaunt the unstamped, unsealed, uncertified document -- notably in very low resolution -- on its "Fight the Smears" website, with campaign officials vowing that it's authentic, sending the image around as "proof" to reporters, and inviting supporters to refer to it as they battle against supposed distortions and calumnies against their candidate. However, the campaign refuses to produce an authentic original birth certificate from the year of Obama's birth, or even a paper version with seal and signature of the "Certification of Live Birth." Nor has it even published an electronic copy with the requisite embossed seal and signature..."
Israelinsider (//%22http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm%22)
Hey man my certificate doesn't have the raised seal either.............
Does that mean I get my money back from the copy machine..???
Is there a full moon or what?[}:)]
Wow, that's freakin' hilarious.
That "scandal" was so two weeks ago. The "controversy" lasted, what? Twelve hours?
Sounds like Derailed is one of those nutcases from Free Republic. Derailed, indeed.
Next.
"Please, recognize the junk you are receiving, whether in emails and internet talk boards (anonymous), or in the airwaves (dominated by conservative infrastructure), as the manipulative misinformation and misdirection that it is."
see the cartoon strip Doonesbury for your news.... http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html
The issues is still out there very much alive. Israelinsider just wrote about it on the 24th.
It's obvious the birth certificate that Obama has on his website in his "Fight the Semars" page is not the original. How stupid was that move?
All they need to do is scan in the original so the seal is clearly visible and the official signature would show through from the back. It would look like the one on this genealogy page (//%22http://www.valeehill.net/genealogy/showmedia.php?mediaID=169%22)
So what's the allegation?
That he wasn't born in the United States and therefor should not be allowed to run for president?
Even if he was born elsewhere to an American mother, odds are he gets citizenship. Just like John McCain. Yay.
Perhaps interesting, but not all that concerning.
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Originally posted by Derailed
The issues is still out there very much alive. Israelinsider just wrote about it on the 24th.
It's obvious the birth certificate that Obama has on his website in his "Fight the Semars" page is not the original. How stupid was that move?
All they need to do is scan in the original so the seal is clearly visible and the official signature would show through from the back. It would look like the one on this genealogy page (//%22http://www.valeehill.net/genealogy/showmedia.php?mediaID=169%22)
Ridiculous. Of course its not the original--the original is on file in Hawaii, just like mine is on file in Oklahoma. You get a
certified copy of your birth certificate when you request it. Do you have any proof whatsoever that this is not a certified copy? Can you cite to any Hawaiin statute that says all birth certificate copies must have a seal? Do you really have anything that would hint that he wasn't born exactly as his birth certificate describes?
I find it odd that, with this rumor, EVERYONE uses the same birth certificate to prove a seal is required.
I say we start some wild, unfounded rumors about McCain that supporters will have to defend. I heard he eats babies.
pmcalk, i think you mean McCain eats California Cheeseburgers (//%22http://www.davesfootballblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/calicheeseburger.jpg%22)
Hawaii was a U.S. State in 1961 and his mother is a U.S. citizen from Wichita. What is so difficult for people to understand about this? Talk about an embarrasing to-do about nothing.
Hell we grant citizenship to people whose parents arrived in the states an hour before the babies birth.
No one is going to give your original birth certificate to you because if you lose it, that's it -- the record of your birth is lost.
That's why states and counties provide certified copies of birth certificates. They're as good as the original, and it is recognized as such.
This same sort of trivial crap was tried in 1964 with Barry Goldwater, because he was born in Arizona before it became a state. You can see how far that so-called "controversy" went.
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Originally posted by grahambino
pmcalk, i think you mean McCain eats California Cheeseburgers (//%22http://www.davesfootballblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/calicheeseburger.jpg%22)
See? What more do you need--proof that McCain eats babies. If he doesn't, why doesn't he release pictures showing he doesn't? It's pretty suspicious if you as me.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
So what's the allegation?
That he wasn't born in the United States and therefor should not be allowed to run for president?
Even if he was born elsewhere to an American mother, odds are he gets citizenship. Just like John McCain. Yay.
Perhaps interesting, but not all that concerning.
No, the rumors are more exciting than just that he isn't a natural citizen. Here are some of them:
1. Obama is hiding his middle name, which according to the rumor is Muhammad. Which we all know is so much worse than Hussein. Someone please explain to me why someone, who was worried about his public image, would change his name from Muhammad to
Hussein??? Why wouldn't he just change it to John or something?
2. Obama wants to hide the fact that his mom was not married. Big deal. Why would he want to hide that? IMO, he'd have a lot easier time as the son of an unwed mother than as the son of a Kenyan with muslim family members.
3. Obama is hiding the religion that was listed on his birth certificate. Hawaii doesn't list religion on birth certificates, so not that. Besides, how many people are the religion that their parents ascribed to them at birth?
Not that I want to give any credence to ridiculous rumors, but it is important to see just how silly they really are.
It's funny, but all of those rumors are based around the idea that he's hiding something unpresidential or unamerican from the voting public.
Or they are all smaller pieces of one grand conspiracy theory: that he's an Islamofascist sleeper agent who's duped much of the country into wanting him as president.
Either way, they're pretty direct messages: he's a traitor, and/or he's secretly one of our biggest enemies.
"Anyway, I don't do cowering" Barack Obama in the recent Rolling Stone Magazine.
The cam pains new moto?
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Originally posted by we vs us
It's funny, but all of those rumors are based around the idea that he's hiding something unpresidential or unamerican from the voting public.
Or they are all smaller pieces of one grand conspiracy theory: that he's an Islamofascist sleeper agent who's duped much of the country into wanting him as president.
Either way, they're pretty direct messages: he's a traitor, and/or he's secretly one of our biggest enemies.
Just goes to show how desperate and fearful of Obama the Republican party has become now that they know they are losing the grip on Washington they thought they owned. Long live KKKarl Rove.
McCain killed McAbel.
It's true. I read it in the bible.
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Originally posted by we vs us
Or they are all smaller pieces of one grand conspiracy theory: that he's an Islamofascist sleeper agent who's duped much of the country into wanting him as president.
Oh, that's just a conspiracy theory? I gotta quit getting my news from variants of the National Enquirer. [;)]
OK, the original is on file and the certified copy is what you get. My bad.
Why haven't they scanned his "certified copy" to his Fight the Smears page?
He probably was born in Hawaii but this issue could easly be resolved with a scanned copy of the certified birth certicate that at least looked official. Since his father was from a foreign country I can see why people are curious.
That is what all the fuss is about.
There is no "fuss" I am aware of. But I don't watch Fix News or listen to their tribal activities....BTW, stop watching Fox, it's designed for the low IQ, nonreaders of America.
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Originally posted by FOTD
There is no "fuss" I am aware of. But I don't watch Fix News or listen to their tribal activities....BTW, stop watching Fox, it's designed for the low IQ, nonreaders of America.
I must be too stupid to understand why your statement would have any validity.
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Originally posted by Derailed
OK, the original is on file and the certified copy is what you get. My bad.
Why haven't they scanned his "certified copy" to his Fight the Smears page?
He probably was born in Hawaii but this issue could easly be resolved with a scanned copy of the certified birth certicate that at least looked official. Since his father was from a foreign country I can see why people are curious.
That is what all the fuss is about.
They
HAVE scanned the certified copy, right here:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert.
You say it doesn't look official--is this based upon some personal knowledge of Hawaiin birth certificates? Do you have one? Again, where is your proof that the birth certificate he offered is not entirely legitimate? Other than right wing conspiracy blogs, whom with any authority has called into question the birth certificate available on his website?
I notice you still haven't proven that McCain doesn't eat babies. Must be true. I also think he's an alien. Where is his birth certificate? Why hasn't he made that available?
The link above didn't work for me. But if it did it would show the uncertified copy - one without the raised seal. I added a link before to a birth certificate that has this seal for comparision.
This is a legitimate question which could easly be answered with a scanned copy of the "certified copy" showing the raised seal. Also, Obama could authorize the records department of Hawaii to act as a third party to verify the authenticity of his birth certificate. Then it would be a non-issue.
What's with the childish McCain bibical references? Is no one allowed to question anything from the left?
Afterall, Obama didn't bat an eye when he broke a written promise to accept public financing which, despite all the name calling from the left, adds to the growing list of concerns about his character and judgement.
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Originally posted by Derailed
The link above didn't work for me. But if it did it would show the uncertified copy - one without the raised seal. I added a link before to a birth certificate that has this seal for comparision.
This is a legitimate question which could easly be answered with a scanned copy of the "certified copy" showing the raised seal. Also, Obama could authorize the records department of Hawaii to act as a third party to verify the authenticity of his birth certificate. Then it would be a non-issue.
What's with the childish McCain bibical references? Is no one allowed to question anything from the left?
Afterall, Obama didn't bat an eye when he broke a written promise to accept public financing which, despite all the name calling from the left, adds to the growing list of concerns about his character and judgement.
My references to McCain eating babies is no more ridiculous than your claims. Again, other than your assertion and reference to a right wing websites, what proof do you have that Obama's birth certificate is not a certified copy?
Where is your evidence that all Hawaiin birth certificates must have a raised seal? Yes, I know, your website has a picture of a single birthcertificate with a raised seal. Poor Ms. Decosta--apparently she is the only one in all of Hawaii that has a birth certificate that can be used as an example. Maybe her's is a fake.
How do you know that his doesn't have a seal, and that the seal is just not visible?
Again, cite some evidence, or stop spreading a stupid rumor.
By the way, did you check your website today? Here is a quote:
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"I spoke to Ms. Okubo late Wednesday afternoon, and she said she had seen the version of Obama's certificate of live birth posted on the sites. While her office cannot verify the information on a form without the permission of the certificate holder (Obama), she said "the form is exactly the same" and it has 'all the components of a birth certificate' record issued by the state. In other words, she sees no reason to think the version posted on Obama's web site and Daily Kos is not genuine."
Any other ridiculous rumors you want to pass on?
To me the truth is neither left or right. It is what it is and stands alone.
When a birth certificate is enbossed with the seal which certifies it - the paper actually gets depressed on both sides. This depression helps identify the birth certificate as a certified copy. The state of Hawaii only issues certified copies. Is it possible it was certified on the back and the depression didn't show through? The seal changes the paper by compression and some of that would have to show through to the other side. When you blow up Obama's birth certificate there is no indication of this depression which is odd, to me.
This is a fact and not a rumor.
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Originally posted by Derailed
To me the truth is neither left or right. It is what it is and stands alone.
When a birth certificate is enbossed with the seal which certifies it - the paper actually gets depressed on both sides. This depression helps identify the birth certificate as a certified copy. The state of Hawaii only issues certified copies. Is it possible it was certified on the back and the depression didn't show through? The seal changes the paper by compression and some of that would have to show through to the other side. When you blow up Obama's birth certificate there is no indication of this depression which is odd, to me.
This is a fact and not a rumor.
Ok, you are really making me want to scream. I am going to say this one more time, as simply as I can.
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT HAWAIIN BIRTH CERTIFICATES MUST HAVE A DEPRESSION FOR IT TO BE OFFICIAL????Are you an expert on Hawaiin birth certificates? Do you have
any knowledge of what should and shouldn't be included in one? Have you spoken to any Hawaiin officials that doubt the veracity of the certificate? Can you answer any of my questions?
Derailed, a few questions. Does your birth certificate have an embossing? What does it look like after it has been scanned into a computer?
I went to the Obama Stop the Smears and the birth certificate was right there.
I did a little investigation and found out that the Israel Insider is on online website, not a published in hand paper that continues to spread unfounded rumors and misinformation that Barack Obama is Muslim. The website is one of the providers of rightwing propaganda. I would say conservative but I have too many friends who are conservative without being rightwing firebomb tossers and I owe them a lot more respect than any dispenser of falsehoods and lies. By the way, from what I found the person who owns that website also deals in a jewish dating site and in a Kosher sex web site. Now what misinformation could I make of that?
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm
Man! Why does this topic have to come up during every election? Don't you think that someone did a background check on Obama?
Of course he's a US citizen!
Goofy post!
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Originally posted by FranklinTower
Man! Why does this topic have to come up during every election? Don't you think that someone did a background check on Obama?
Of course he's a US citizen!
Goofy post!
Might be because Obama's ahead in the polls right now?
The repubs have a lot to be worried about. John McCain is just four more years of the same, IMO. What kind of a guy who is running for president makes statments about having to remain in Iraq for 100 more years, even if it was theoretical? With the unpopularity of the Iraq war and the fact that it's killed over 4000 of our great men and women, you'd think he'd just leave that one alone.
You almost have to ask for hazard pay if you want to be a top adviser to his campaign!