UPDATE: AT&T's website's U-verse eligibility checker is now working. (//%22http://www.att.com/gen/landing-pages?pid=3308%22) Click on 'ADVANCED TV' and foller the links. The product should now be available at the Highland Plaza store (5505 E 41st). Also, Cox would price-match the new service costs but not offer a flat 50% off. I did notice that at&t is offering up to $300 incentives for new activations online, sooooo . . .
ORIG POST: That is the offer that Oklahoma Cityians were reportedly given as soon as they called to cancel their services for a different cable/internet service provider. Soon, very soon, Tulsans will have an opportunity to choose a television/internet provider that offers a superior service at about the same cost as they are being charged by Cox.
Charges of false advertising (10MPS, reaaaally?), an inferior network (cable is NOT the same as fiber-optic-to-premise), and inferior products aside, Cox's current business practice should not be allowed.
At the very least, even if one is not in 'the area' for the new service, Tulsans should snag the 50% off Cox. I would call up and see if you are under contract and if there are any special discounts available to you. Then see what happens when you try to cancel the service!
So we should all switch the the company that allows you to record or watch 1 HD program at a time? That is a deal breaker for me. That and the 9MB (sustained) internet download speed I have at home.
Reviews for u-verse aren't great and I would switch to two tin-cans and a string before having to deal with SBC/AT&T's (lack of) DSL support.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/08/10/atandts-u-verse-arrives-in-oklahoma-city-challenges-cox/
(although I might threaten if I can get a discount)
Yeah...well consider yourself lucky you have either option at all.
I'm stuck with Bixby Telephone or one of the satellite providers for my television/internet.
We have the whole COX bundle and we're very happy with it. Very fast, good phone service (that even works when the power is out). And. . . my digital tuner in my TV gets all of the HD digital channels even though we don't have the digital service (my tuner will pick up channels under 1, like .243, .247, side channels like 8.1 and such). It's a Sony if you're interested.
We didn't get the stork lawn ornament that says "Bundle of Joy" though. I may have a case there!
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Originally posted by Gaspar
We have the whole COX bundle and we're very happy with it. Very fast, good phone service (that even works when the power is out). And. . . my digital tuner in my TV gets all of the HD digital channels even though we don't have the digital service (my tuner will pick up channels under 1, like .243, .247, side channels like 8.1 and such). It's a Sony if you're interested.
We didn't get the stork lawn ornament that says "Bundle of Joy" though. I may have a case there!
If you have a QAM tuner, you will pick up the HD Channels without a cable box.
. . . from one that is overcharging you 100% Sure! Hey, at least call and give 'em a scare.
U-verse offers 4 video feeds per receiver and 40HD channels, which means four sets can access different content at the same time (or, 4 DVR streams). Plus, it is already rated at 1080 p HD which is crazy clarity. 10,000 movies on demand. Mapquest maps on yer tv screen via yellowopages.com. DVR controls from your wireless phone. The TVOIP is an entirely different deal than DSL. Plus, no contracts!
I talk to people all the time who are promised a certain speed by cable but in reality are getting far less. One fellah yesterday even checked his 'Cox 10MPS' and was pulling 1.5! You are lucky to have a consistent speed with Cox!
The difference between what Cox offers and what U-verse offers is the difference between a bag phone and an iPhone.
I'm switching to Uverse as soon as it's available. I want more sports channels than Cox can offer. I also want faster upload speeds so my slingbox doesn't look so horrible. I'll get more and pay less. I can deal with the one HD stream at a time, assuming it'll get fixed in the not too distant future.
I pray that Uverse is coming downtown.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
I talk to people all the time who are promised a certain speed by cable but in reality are getting far less. One fellah yesterday even checked his 'Cox 10MPS' and was pulling 1.5! You are lucky to have a consistent speed with Cox!
What they advertise is a theoretical maximum of the technology they use -- not what any customer will ever get. It's a little white lie that separates them from false advertising claims.
Think of cable modem service as you would running water to your house. If you have a fat pipe in the neighborhood any you're the only one on it you get all the capacity. When the neighbors hook up and start irrigating and flushing, your pressure dips and sways and at times you will only have a trickle.
If the provider decides you are using too much, you get "capped" which further limits how much capacity you have access to.
I cant say good or bad about U-Verse, but I think competition benefits the consumer and it's to your advantage that it's available.
As for Cox VOIP, most of my neighbors who got it regretted it during the ice storm because Cox cant sustain the prolonged power failures that we seem to be getting with increasing regularity in Tulsa.
U-verse is going to change the entire playing field. Notice how Cox has ramped up their self-promotions? Notice how they make you wait on their discounted service until you say 'buh-bye'?
Check for U-verse availability here. (//%22https://uverse1.att.com/un/launchAMSSNotAuthenticated.do?target_action=serviceabilityCheck%22) Word is 80,000 Tulsans will initially be in the coverage area.
So is Cox charging twice as much for its service or is it taking a hit on the service fees just to rope customers into another contract?
"10mbps.. reallly????"
Yes, really. If you have a cable line that is more corroded than the titanic then that's your fault. I pull retarded fast numbers all day long, I get more than my rated 12mbit (13mbit) and burst up to 25mbit depending on the site and time of day.
I look forward to the upgraded 15mbit/1.5mbit premier tier.. and enjoy recording 2 shows at once. :)
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by Gaspar
We have the whole COX bundle and we're very happy with it. Very fast, good phone service (that even works when the power is out). And. . . my digital tuner in my TV gets all of the HD digital channels even though we don't have the digital service (my tuner will pick up channels under 1, like .243, .247, side channels like 8.1 and such). It's a Sony if you're interested.
We didn't get the stork lawn ornament that says "Bundle of Joy" though. I may have a case there!
If you have a QAM tuner, you will pick up the HD Channels without a cable box.
As long as those stations are broadcasting 'clear QAM'. Some have the encryption bit set, and either need the cable box to authorize, or a cable card provided by the cable company to those TVs that can use it.
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Originally posted by EricP
"10mbps.. reallly????"
Yes, really. If you have a cable line that is more corroded than the titanic then that's your fault. I pull retarded fast numbers all day long, I get more than my rated 12mbit (13mbit) and burst up to 25mbit depending on the site and time of day.
I look forward to the upgraded 15mbit/1.5mbit premier tier!
Same here. I contacted Cox, and they replaced my line, which had been damaged during the ice storm. Ever since, I've met or exceeded my tier speed.
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Originally posted by TheTed
I'm switching to Uverse as soon as it's available. I want more sports channels than Cox can offer. I also want faster upload speeds so my slingbox doesn't look so horrible. I'll get more and pay less. I can deal with the one HD stream at a time, assuming it'll get fixed in the not too distant future.
I pray that Uverse is coming downtown.
Yeah, it only took SBC about 8 years to come up with this...I'll never use SBC ever again since they screwed up my final bill so bad I've been going round and round with different collection agencies saying I owe them 30 bucks, when I repeatedly have sent them proof of payment upon cancellation. Cox blows SBC out of the water, and I bet UVerse won't be here for a year; possibly more. [V]
It should be going live on July 7. U-verse has more features than cable and it has only been around for two years, so good things are worth waiting for!
No activation fees. No contracts. No equipment costs. Worse case scenario is SBC-cum-at&t gets one more whack at screwing up the bill!
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
U-verse is going to change the entire playing field. Notice how Cox has ramped up their self-promotions? Notice how they make you wait on their discounted service until you say 'buh-bye'?
Check for U-verse availability here. (//%22https://uverse1.att.com/un/launchAMSSNotAuthenticated.do?target_action=serviceabilityCheck%22) Word is 80,000 Tulsans will initially be in the coverage area.
So is Cox charging twice as much for its service or is it taking a hit on the service fees just to rope customers into another contract?
That Uverse availability finder shows no service available at my address. Does it show service available at yours or other Tulsa addresses? Or is it too early?
I don't have a good feeling about Uverse downtown. Looking at the map on uverse users they typically don't serve downtown, at least at first. The OKC map shows service only in the outer reaches of the sprawl.
What is a QAM tuner?
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
. . . from one that is overcharging you 100% Sure! Hey, at least call and give 'em a scare.
U-verse offers 4 video feeds per receiver and 40HD channels, which means four sets can access different content at the same time (or, 4 DVR streams). Plus, it is already rated at 1080 p HD which is crazy clarity. 10,000 movies on demand. Mapquest maps on yer tv screen via yellowopages.com. DVR controls from your wireless phone. The TVOIP is an entirely different deal than DSL. Plus, no contracts!
I talk to people all the time who are promised a certain speed by cable but in reality are getting far less. One fellah yesterday even checked his 'Cox 10MPS' and was pulling 1.5! You are lucky to have a consistent speed with Cox!
The difference between what Cox offers and what U-verse offers is the difference between a bag phone and an iPhone.
4 feeds per receiver (only one can be HD) and the exact same number of HD channels as COX which does 2 HD streams per receiver and no limit on the number of receivers. I currently have cable in 6 rooms.
Loss of HD functionality? Loss of # rooms?
Additional rooms $5/mo each? HD is $10 extra? Only one DVR allowed? A whopping 1.5M download with their LARGEST package?
PUHLEEZE
Wake me up when you're serious.
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Originally posted by nannat
What is a QAM tuner?
HDTV tuners are capable of two different signal types: ATSC which covers your "over-the-air" broadcasts (with an antenna) and QAM which is less common and will pickup HD signals over cox cable.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
It should be going live on July 7. U-verse has more features than cable and it has only been around for two years, so good things are worth waiting for!
No activation fees. No contracts. No equipment costs. Worse case scenario is SBC-cum-at&t gets one more whack at screwing up the bill!
I don't see one feature they offer that cox doesn't.
10000 videos on demand. Mapquest results on-screen just to name two quick ones. Bundling with wireless service. Plus what is this 1080 p thing for HD? And do not forget the no-delay channel switching, picture-in-picture channel previewing, no contracts. Wireless access to programming guide. Integrated message and addressbook management. Lots there.
10000 videos on demand. SAME
Mapquest results on screen. WHY?
Bundling with wireless service. SAME
Plus what is this 1080 p thing for HD? Everyone is currently 1080p "capable" and no-one is using it, not even uverse.
And do not forget the no-delay channel switching, SAME
picture-in-picture channel previewing, Theres 1
no contracts. SAME
Wireless access to programming guide. Oh wow, I can setup my one program to record via my cell phone?!?!?
Integrated message and addressbook management. WHY?
So one possibly valuable feature in exchange for losing like 8 of them. Whoopty do.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
10000 videos on demand. SAME
Mapquest results on screen. WHY?
Bundling with wireless service. SAME
Plus what is this 1080 p thing for HD? Everyone is currently 1080p "capable" and no-one is using it, not even uverse.
And do not forget the no-delay channel switching, SAME
picture-in-picture channel previewing, Theres 1
no contracts. SAME
Wireless access to programming guide. Oh wow, I can setup my one program to record via my cell phone?!?!?
Integrated message and addressbook management. WHY?
So one possibly valuable feature in exchange for losing like 8 of them. Whoopty do.
And even the PIP channel previewing is on it's way.
I'll NEVER go back to SBC. EVER. That doesn't mean other people won't like it.
I wonder if Tim doesn't work for AT&T. I'll tell you right now I don't work for Cox; and their service isn't perfect, but AT&T's service stinks. At least Cox didn't outsource their Customer Service.
tim, i am sorry to say and glad to spread the truth, that your "facts" about att uverse are sadly incorrect.
you say they fiber to the premise? you must be living somewhere other than oklahoma and talking about verizon, att uverese does not bring fiber to premise my friend.
you say 4 video feed per receiver, again not true. they have ONLY 4 feeds available TOTAL at this point. meaning each tv needs 1 reciever to recieve 1 feed (which they charge 5/mo for each reciever above the 1st)
you say 4 dvr streams, again not true. they offer 1 dvr reciever in the price. you are not allowed as of yet to have more than 1 dvr.
you say 1080p quality, untrue. the truth is every tv service, cable, satelite, uverse included compresses hd quality below that.
you say 10,00 movies on demand, sure that may be the case, but at what cost? im sure you are not comparing it cox freezone which uverse does not offer as of yet, with the ability to have access to 1000s of hours of movies, shows and other content at NO COST to us customers.
truth is on internet speeds with cox and uverse, they are both affected by different things, at times cable is affected by users, where as dsl is affected by distance from their "vrad" or their "node" basically. so if its a few blocks away the speed is CONSTANLY less than a person who has it in their back yard.
as far as i know, no matter what discounts people are getting i dont think cox does any contracts. so thats great.
another person commented about cox voip tn how we were affected by the ice storm. when it comes to uverse they are regretably uverse will be using the same technology and using the same type modem with a battery back up cox does for their voip
it basically boils down to this, if you look at their "quoted" pricing, they are about the same as what we all pay with cox. i had someone here in okc come into my house and sit down with me (which he begged me not to tell anyone he came in) they are not supposed to come inside, which i suppose is due to either they are not background checked, not licensed or bonded, and maybe even do not have permits to be soliciting in each area they are. who knows. either way, i have everything, more than i need, with cox and pay a pretty penny for it. 2 hd dvrs, a 3rd box, all the chnls they offer, the 15mb speed, and the tn but dont have the unlimited long distance. i am under 200/mo.
i was quoted 154/mo for the tv/10mb internet and an additional 30 for the telephone service. that is 185/mo before taxes. slower internet speed, only 1 dvr, no freezone, (my daughter uses it alot) only 1 hd tv stream (at this point)
not to mention the fact that when i asked what it meant in their disclamor that said speeds of the internet and funcionality of their other services depend on the usage of all of the products, he admited that since its all internet base, meaning the tv, the internet, and the tn service runs through internet protocol, if i am running an hd channel, my wife is surfing the net, my daughter is watching a show on her tv and i just so happen to be talkin on the phone, my services such as internet speed and the functionality of the tv will be affected.
my uncle switched to uverse here in the city and his bill was messed up, the 1st issue he had was the channels he was promised he did not have, they wanted to charge him to add them, then his sound went out, then video feed went out, next his phone he could dial out but when someone called it was like a fax machine. 4 times they came out in a 3 mo period. the tech told him that the problem is that after the fiber ends at the "vrad" is what he called it that they are trying to find copper telephone lines of a good quality to bring in all this bandwitch into the house. sometimes the line quality is not that good on all those lines and that causes issues.
I AM STAYING WHERE I AM AT, MY SUGGESTION TO ANYONE WHO SWITCHES, MORE POWER TO YA, BUT MAKE IT ABOUT SOMETHING OTHER THAN ALL THIS FALSE JARGIN I HEAR PEOPLE SPREADING AROUND. DO YOU HOMEWORK AND CHOOSE WHICHEVER ONE WORKS BEST FOR YOU. THANKS!
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
10000 videos on demand. Mapquest results on-screen just to name two quick ones. Bundling with wireless service. Plus what is this 1080 p thing for HD? And do not forget the no-delay channel switching, picture-in-picture channel previewing, no contracts. Wireless access to programming guide. Integrated message and addressbook management. Lots there.
like veritas said, NO CABLE or SATELLITE company offers uncompressed HD at 1080P. To my knowledge, there is nothing even being filmed in 1080P except for your blu-ray movies and the like. I agree with the person who said all these features will be available, but I can assure you they wont be available from the beginning. AT&T has sunk ALOT of money in Uverse so hopefully it works out for them, but like with anything that is new, there are bound to be issues with it in the beginning. Now down the road in a year or two, I will look into it more but for now, I will stick to my Directv.
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After reading several diff websites, the 1 DVR included in the package CAN record 3 standard definition shows at once and 1 HD show, or 4 standard shows at once. That is pretty impressive. On another note, looking over their prices, they seem somewhat high to me. I pay 55 dollars a month for Cox premier internet and then my HD DVR package with Directv is 60 dollars a month after taxes and fees. Comparing that to AT&T, I would end up paying around 150 a month for the same channels and internet I have now. I will keep my Directv.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
. . . from one that is overcharging you 100% Sure! Hey, at least call and give 'em a scare.
U-verse offers 4 video feeds per receiver and 40HD channels, which means four sets can access different content at the same time (or, 4 DVR streams). Plus, it is already rated at 1080 p HD which is crazy clarity. 10,000 movies on demand. Mapquest maps on yer tv screen via yellowopages.com. DVR controls from your wireless phone. The TVOIP is an entirely different deal than DSL. Plus, no contracts!
I talk to people all the time who are promised a certain speed by cable but in reality are getting far less. One fellah yesterday even checked his 'Cox 10MPS' and was pulling 1.5! You are lucky to have a consistent speed with Cox!
The difference between what Cox offers and what U-verse offers is the difference between a bag phone and an iPhone.
4 feeds per receiver (only one can be HD) and the exact same number of HD channels as COX which does 2 HD streams per receiver and no limit on the number of receivers. I currently have cable in 6 rooms.
Loss of HD functionality? Loss of # rooms?
Additional rooms $5/mo each? HD is $10 extra? Only one DVR allowed? A whopping 1.5M download with their LARGEST package?
PUHLEEZE
Wake me up when you're serious.
TextTextTextWOW!!! You guys really don't know what your talking about, and this is so funny. Anyone in their right mind would know you work for ATT and is promoting their U Verse.
But the funny thing is your NOT telling how bad their U Verse really is, or how after their promotional price they are jacking up the price on it. All this comes from U Verse customers. Or how about if you want to watch a movie or program you have to download it to the dvr in order to watch it. If you are on the internet at the sametime then forget about download speed that ATT has promised you while your downloading that movie. You should hear from the customers that are calling back to Cox that left Cox in the first place to get U Verse. Those customers are crying to get there services back with Cox. They are complaining about the downloading of the programs, the problem they have with the picture quality even on a regular tv not to even talk about how bad it looks on HD.
Another thing Tim isn't telling us, the customers whom he is trying to sell U Verse to, is that ATT is now using the Voip system for their phone services that are getting the U Verse. So if Cox phone is so bad then why would ATT be going to the same system? Plus if you weren't aware, Cox provides the phone services for 911 in Tulsa as well as your schools, goverment offices, hospitals, and so many other very important business as well as homes.
And as for any company, if your smart of course your going to try to save your customer from making a mistake and keep them as a customer when they call in to disconnect.
As for the pricing on an extra digital box is $5 whether it's a regular digital box or a HD box. And if your in a bundle, customers are allowed up to 4 dvr's in a household. With EACH DVR having the capability of recording 2 seperate channels at the sametime. I have seen where 1 household had 18 tvs hooked up to Cox cable running with no problems. This same house hold had 12 HD boxes. I would call this a satisfied customer. Thank You Cox Customers!!
Don't even make me start correcting you on the speeds Cox has with 15 mgs not 1.5mgs as their top speed. And you don't even know that Cox doesn't have a 10 mg for speed. Do your homework and look it up. If your not getting the correct speeds, call Cox to come out and fix it. They will!!
LOL, and some customers aren't aware that sometimes it's their own computer that keeps them from getting faster with everything they have downloaded on their computer, or the speed of their processor. Wake up people!!
As for contracts? Cox threw the residental contracts on all their services out the window over a year ago. They even have a 30 day money back guareenty that if you don't like your service they will refund your money. I haven't seen any other cable or phone company do that.
All companies including ATT has problems, the biggest problem is not coming out to fix it. Cox will come out to fix it, their customers are very important.
P.S. Cox phone is available in Bixby now!!
Please do your homework instead of listening to others blowing their horn. They are probably someone who refused to pay their bill and expected free services.
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Originally posted by laloca65
Plus if you weren't aware, Cox provides the phone services for 911 in Tulsa
Sorry Sir....I don't mean to take the wind out of your sails, but I do know first hand that, that is incorrect. I am by no means, a fan of many of AT&T's practices, but I can vouch for their service to 911.
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Originally posted by tulsapoolplyr88
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Originally posted by laloca65
Plus if you weren't aware, Cox provides the phone services for 911 in Tulsa
Sorry Sir....I don't mean to take the wind out of your sails, but I do know first hand that, that is incorrect. I am by no means, a fan of many of AT&T's practices, but I can vouch for their service to 911.
As does St. Francis. You mentioned local hospitals and schools use COX, when in fact they do not. Try Again. Somewhere between your story Tim and your story Laloca65 lies the truth.
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Originally posted by TUalum0982
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Originally posted by tulsapoolplyr88
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Originally posted by laloca65
Plus if you weren't aware, Cox provides the phone services for 911 in Tulsa
Sorry Sir....I don't mean to take the wind out of your sails, but I do know first hand that, that is incorrect. I am by no means, a fan of many of AT&T's practices, but I can vouch for their service to 911.
As does St. Francis. You mentioned local hospitals and schools use COX, when in fact they do not. Try Again. Somewhere between your story Tim and your story Laloca65 lies the truth.
Actually Hillcrest, St. Francis and St. John all use Cox for Internet services in some fasion or another.
None that I know of are using if for their primary service, but many of the outlying clinics use Cox as their primary connection.
You have to remember that each of these hospitals would have to be fools to only have one link to the internet. Many use 2 or 3 for redundancy purposes. Sprint, AT&T, and Cox are the most common.
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Originally posted by wavoka
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Originally posted by TUalum0982
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Originally posted by tulsapoolplyr88
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Originally posted by laloca65
Plus if you weren't aware, Cox provides the phone services for 911 in Tulsa
Sorry Sir....I don't mean to take the wind out of your sails, but I do know first hand that, that is incorrect. I am by no means, a fan of many of AT&T's practices, but I can vouch for their service to 911.
As does St. Francis. You mentioned local hospitals and schools use COX, when in fact they do not. Try Again. Somewhere between your story Tim and your story Laloca65 lies the truth.
Actually Hillcrest, St. Francis and St. John all use Cox for Internet services in some fasion or another.
None that I know of are using if for their primary service, but many of the outlying clinics use Cox as their primary connection.
You have to remember that each of these hospitals would have to be fools to only have one link to the internet. Many use 2 or 3 for redundancy purposes. Sprint, AT&T, and Cox are the most common.
I was referring to their phone system, I have no knowledge of their internet provider. But I know first hand that St Francis uses AT&T primary for their phone lines.
So nice of Cox and AT&T to send representatives to our board to help explain things for us.[:D]
As I said previously, I'll be getting Uverse just because they offer so many more channels. I can get all the regional sports networks. Cox offers one, which is out of Texas and shows little of interest to me. Uverse has many other channels which Cox has no plans to offer anytime in the near future.
Cox has proven to be worthless far too many times.
Last year we got a lot of Cardinals games in HD. Now that they're nearly all available in HD, we get none of them in HD except the rare ESPN/Saturday afternoon Fox games.
If I get Uverse I'll also get to watch Royals games. Cox has no plans to offer Royals games, even though there one of our MLB-determined home teams.
U-verse will most likely replace our DSL, but I still get the most bang-for-the buck with DirecTV for my television.
Would love to see FiOS (fiber direct to the home) but I think Verizon is only offering that in a few markets.
There will be some fibre-optic Lightspeed connections to 'premises,' but I do not know the premises under which that will be deployed.
I have not had any major issues with Cox services, but I am still using the same digital receiver from about six years ago and paying full price. As a consumer it concerns me that Cox will lower their prices and offer upgrades only in the face of losing a customer. I am glad there will be choice for my media services at a comparable price with enhanced features.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
There will be some fibre-optic Lightspeed connections to 'premises,' but I do not know the premises under which that will be deployed.
I have not had any major issues with Cox services, but I am still using the same digital receiver from about six years ago and paying full price. As a consumer it concerns me that Cox will lower their prices and offer upgrades only in the face of losing a customer. I am glad there will be choice for my media services at a comparable price with enhanced features.
Take your receiver into any cox store and they will swap it out for the latest no questions asked as long as you've had it for six months.
That is good to know. I still may stay with Cox once we move, I do not know if U-verse is available at the new hacienda or not. The coverage areas should be available sometime later this month for July installations.
Wake me up when Verizon Fios comes to town. I had AT&T and will not go back. My DSL was terrible and I had it from day 1 it was offered here. My cable modem is 3x as fast at least.
The bundle from Cox is a great deal. Cheers to Sgrizzle for giving us the real facts.
1 tuner DVR? Please. That's so 2000.
I really can't complain about the quality of Cox's service since I upgraded to digital and added internet service last fall, but I do feel like $82 is a lot for the basic digital and whatever their supposed highest bandwidth internet is (still doesn't seem much faster than DSL at work). No, I didn't "bundle-up" as I don't see the point in a land-line anymore other than at work. I don't have an HD TV so that's not such a big deal to me.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
That is good to know. I still may stay with Cox once we move, I do not know if U-verse is available at the new hacienda or not. The coverage areas should be available sometime later this month for July installations.
Tim, tell me you didn't sell your Brookside digs to some a-hole who is going to build (yet) another Tuscan nightmare on the lot.
Too early to say about the Tuscan thang Conan but it looks like the hacienda stays! Hoo-ray!
U-verse will be available for demo purposes at the Highland Plaza at&t store on 41st/Hudson and at the Owasso store. If it is not clearer and better than cable, do not get it. Pretty simple. Hard to make the case that copper is faster and better than fibre optic, but cheers for the effort! Better compression technology means more content, period.
Cannot wait for the feature where viewers will be able to choose which camera angle they want to view sports broadcasts from!
We have ATT U-Verse down here in hell-hot Texas and it's fantastic. I DO NOT like the DLS they offer though; I have the equivalent of Cox up in Oklahoma for my ISP (Charter Cable). But as far as the television part goes, it's fantastic.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
Too early to say about the Tuscan thang Conan but it looks like the hacienda stays! Hoo-ray!
U-verse will be available for demo purposes at the Highland Plaza at&t store on 41st/Hudson and at the Owasso store. If it is not clearer and better than cable, do not get it. Pretty simple. Hard to make the case that copper is faster and better than fibre optic, but cheers for the effort! Better compression technology means more content, period.
Cannot wait for the feature where viewers will be able to choose which camera angle they want to view sports broadcasts from!
Last I checked, Cox was primarily fiber to the drop. Good try on trying to sell that U-verse is all fiber-to-the-home, though. More like to the node.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
UPDATE: AT&T's website's U-verse eligibility checker is now working. (//%22http://www.att.com/gen/landing-pages?pid=3308%22) Click on 'ADVANCED TV' and foller the links. The product should now be available at the Highland Plaza store (5505 E 41st). Also, Cox would price-match the new service costs but not offer a flat 50% off. I did notice that at&t is offering up to $300 incentives for new activations online, sooooo . . .
Here's what I get:
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Thank You For Your Interest
At this time, AT&T U-verse service is not available for this address
I did find it would be $124 for cable and internet, +$10 for HD +$30 for better internet +$15 for three extra receivers. So I'm at $179 and don't even have phone service yet. Whipee.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
UPDATE: AT&T's website's U-verse eligibility checker is now working. (//%22http://www.att.com/gen/landing-pages?pid=3308%22) Click on 'ADVANCED TV' and foller the links. The product should now be available at the Highland Plaza store (5505 E 41st). Also, Cox would price-match the new service costs but not offer a flat 50% off. I did notice that at&t is offering up to $300 incentives for new activations online, sooooo . . .
Here's what I get:
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Thank You For Your Interest
At this time, AT&T U-verse service is not available for this address
There is a sign at the 14th and Lewis AT&T store saying that "U-Verse" is available there.
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Originally posted by TURobY
There is a sign at the 14th and Lewis AT&T store saying that "U-Verse" is available there.
I should have said 'Highland has a live demo.' Terrace Park (15th St) can help you order it but I do not think they have a live demo; Owasso is another location that offers a real-time experience for U-verse. All the at&t stores will have nice booklets and - for folk outside the U-verse coverage area - Dish Network demos going on.
One would think a half mile from the store would be in the service territory.
Okay, someone give me the Reader's Digest version.
Sounds like for $84 I can have more channels, a DVR, claimed faster internet speed, and an HD reciever.
That's better than what I get from Cox now for about the same price with tax.
Does this include a land line charge in the $84 as well? I'm too ADHD to read all the fine print on their web site.
Personally I couldn't give two ****s about having a land line. If it's included in the price, I doubt I'd even plug a phone into the jack.
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Originally posted by Conan71
Sounds like for $84 I can have more channels, a DVR, claimed faster internet speed, and an HD reciever.
That's better than what I get from Cox now for about the same price with tax.
That would be the U200 package which has 200 digital channels, locals, 48 music channels, HD-ready, DVR-gratis, and the Express web (UP to 1.5Mbps downstream) w/wireless gateway. Your choice of $100 cash back or 1 month free of service (order online get both offers). Check your coverage status here. (//%22http://www.att.com/gen/landing-pages?pid=3308%22)
Everything I read said the DVR is gratis only with U300 and U400.
How is 1.5M faster than what cox gives you?
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Everything I read said the DVR is gratis only with U300 and U400.
How is 1.5M faster than what cox gives you?
It's not, and from experience you either need to be living right next door to either the central office or an RT to get the max that they specify, and even then, with PPPoE overhead, it's not really what you're getting. DSL is STILL distance limited, unlike cable.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Everything I read said the DVR is gratis only with U300 and U400.
How is 1.5M faster than what cox gives you?
I can't seem to get any faster up/down than about 800Kbps. According to Cox, it's somewhere "in the lines". I think that translates to: "we really don't care to spend the time nor the money to enhance your internet speed, thank you Mr. 70."
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Everything I read said the DVR is gratis only with U300 and U400.
How is 1.5M faster than what cox gives you?
I can't seem to get any faster up/down than about 800Kbps. According to Cox, it's somewhere "in the lines". I think that translates to: "we really don't care to spend the time nor the money to enhance your internet speed, thank you Mr. 70."
Go over to the DSLREports.com Cox forum and register; they have guys there that can for sure help you. What tier are you paying for? Premier? Preferred?? Could be something as simnple as a bad splitter.
Not available in my corner of downtown.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Everything I read said the DVR is gratis only with U300 and U400.
How is 1.5M faster than what cox gives you?
The U200 pack comes with one HD-receiver and DVR service, additional receivers are $5ea/mo.
at&t 1.5M is faster because they feed their hamsters nothing but protein. If the U-verse is slower than cable, change back. No contracts or anythying so BFD. Try it and if it sucks change back.
BTW, the receiver issue I had was actually my modem which would not broadcast wi-fi and Cox would not change it out. Fortunately, I will have a free wireless gateway with U-verse.
the amounts of misinformation in this thread go way beyond ridiculous and border on negligent.
First of all, I could take a fat broadband pipe and rate it for UHDTV, but that doesn't mean I have content that I can stream at that quality. The 1080p claims by Uverse are complete rubbish.
Secondly, if you are not in ATT territory you are SOL on this deal. That would include large parts of SE Tulsa which are in Windscream territory. I would expect that large swaths of north tulsa will be SOL simply because ATT has a horrific tendency to offer this in affluent neighborhoods first.
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Originally posted by inteller
the amounts of misinformation in this thread go way beyond ridiculous and border on negligent.
First of all, I could take a fat broadband pipe and rate it for UHDTV, but that doesn't mean I have content that I can stream at that quality. The 1080p claims by Uverse are complete rubbish.
Secondly, if you are not in ATT territory you are SOL on this deal. That would include large parts of SE Tulsa which are in Windscream territory. I would expect that large swaths of north tulsa will be SOL simply because ATT has a horrific tendency to offer this in affluent neighborhoods first.
Wouldn't it make sense to offer it first in the neighborhoods and areas that can afford to pay for it? Wouldn't that be the smart thing to do from AT&T's point of view? Do you see any porsche, ferrari, MB, BMW, or Infiniti dealerships in North Tulsa? No offense, but the demographics don't lie. AT&T is only trying to collect on their billion dollar investment, and common sense would tell you, that you start in the more affluent areas of town. Verizon did the same thing when they were installing fiber to the home in the dallas metro area. They started in new construction around plano, mckinney and the like.
Everyone knows or they should know that SE Tulsa is windstream which is formally Valor, which is formally GTE. What bearing does that have on AT&T and their u-verse? Flip that equation around, and the people in midtown can't get service from windstream? They are SOL. Well of course they are, they are served by AT&T! I am not defending u-verse, but come on, lets be real here. Of course they are going to market their product to the people who have the disposable income to afford their service first. Would you not do the same thing?
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Originally posted by inteller
the amounts of misinformation in this thread go way beyond ridiculous and border on negligent.
First of all, I could take a fat broadband pipe and rate it for UHDTV, but that doesn't mean I have content that I can stream at that quality. The 1080p claims by Uverse are complete rubbish.
Secondly, if you are not in ATT territory you are SOL on this deal. That would include large parts of SE Tulsa which are in Windscream territory. I would expect that large swaths of north tulsa will be SOL simply because ATT has a horrific tendency to offer this in affluent neighborhoods first.
The TVOIP is supposed to be pretty kewl, with less 'blocking' and faster info-on-demand (read, 'next channel please') not to mention thousands of more movies on demand. Go to the store and see for yourself, order it, if it is not better cancel the service.
Oh and horrors on top of horrors: a company is investing in an area where it will see its investment pay off more quickly! What type of fuggen commie are you that you have a problem with dat, son?
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Everything I read said the DVR is gratis only with U300 and U400.
How is 1.5M faster than what cox gives you?
I can't seem to get any faster up/down than about 800Kbps. According to Cox, it's somewhere "in the lines". I think that translates to: "we really don't care to spend the time nor the money to enhance your internet speed, thank you Mr. 70."
Go over to the DSLREports.com Cox forum and register; they have guys there that can for sure help you. What tier are you paying for? Premier? Preferred?? Could be something as simnple as a bad splitter.
Thanks Hoss, I'll try that.
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Originally posted by laloca65
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
. . . from one that is overcharging you 100% Sure! Hey, at least call and give 'em a scare.
U-verse offers 4 video feeds per receiver and 40HD channels, which means four sets can access different content at the same time (or, 4 DVR streams). Plus, it is already rated at 1080 p HD which is crazy clarity. 10,000 movies on demand. Mapquest maps on yer tv screen via yellowopages.com. DVR controls from your wireless phone. The TVOIP is an entirely different deal than DSL. Plus, no contracts!
I talk to people all the time who are promised a certain speed by cable but in reality are getting far less. One fellah yesterday even checked his 'Cox 10MPS' and was pulling 1.5! You are lucky to have a consistent speed with Cox!
The difference between what Cox offers and what U-verse offers is the difference between a bag phone and an iPhone.
4 feeds per receiver (only one can be HD) and the exact same number of HD channels as COX which does 2 HD streams per receiver and no limit on the number of receivers. I currently have cable in 6 rooms.
Loss of HD functionality? Loss of # rooms?
Additional rooms $5/mo each? HD is $10 extra? Only one DVR allowed? A whopping 1.5M download with their LARGEST package?
PUHLEEZE
Wake me up when you're serious.
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Verse. So if Cox phone is so bad then why would ATT be going to the same system? Plus if you weren't aware, Cox provides the phone services for 911 in Tulsa as well as your schools, goverment offices, hospitals, and so many other very important business as well as homes.
And as for any company, if your smart of course your going to try to save your customer from making a mistake and keep them as a customer when they call in to disconnect.
Uh... No.
911 gets its service from AT&T for their 911
system. Cox does not have the capability to provide that service, and be very careful of your facts when you come back with the "Yes they do" line.
Cox may tell you they provide service to the
911 center, and yeah, they may provide cable to the 911 center, but not the 911 phone lines and trunks. Pay closer attention during the sales meetings.
Insofar as VoIP - That is simply the technology. Don't think for a moment that Cox was first with it.
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Originally posted by Radio
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Originally posted by laloca65
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
. . . from one that is overcharging you 100% Sure! Hey, at least call and give 'em a scare.
U-verse offers 4 video feeds per receiver and 40HD channels, which means four sets can access different content at the same time (or, 4 DVR streams). Plus, it is already rated at 1080 p HD which is crazy clarity. 10,000 movies on demand. Mapquest maps on yer tv screen via yellowopages.com. DVR controls from your wireless phone. The TVOIP is an entirely different deal than DSL. Plus, no contracts!
I talk to people all the time who are promised a certain speed by cable but in reality are getting far less. One fellah yesterday even checked his 'Cox 10MPS' and was pulling 1.5! You are lucky to have a consistent speed with Cox!
The difference between what Cox offers and what U-verse offers is the difference between a bag phone and an iPhone.
4 feeds per receiver (only one can be HD) and the exact same number of HD channels as COX which does 2 HD streams per receiver and no limit on the number of receivers. I currently have cable in 6 rooms.
Loss of HD functionality? Loss of # rooms?
Additional rooms $5/mo each? HD is $10 extra? Only one DVR allowed? A whopping 1.5M download with their LARGEST package?
PUHLEEZE
Wake me up when you're serious.
TextTextText
Verse. So if Cox phone is so bad then why would ATT be going to the same system? Plus if you weren't aware, Cox provides the phone services for 911 in Tulsa as well as your schools, goverment offices, hospitals, and so many other very important business as well as homes.
And as for any company, if your smart of course your going to try to save your customer from making a mistake and keep them as a customer when they call in to disconnect.
Uh... No.
911 gets its service from AT&T for their 911
system. Cox does not have the capability to provide that service, and be very careful of your facts when you come back with the "Yes they do" line.
Cox may tell you they provide service to the
911 center, and yeah, they may provide cable to the 911 center, but not the 911 phone lines and trunks. Pay closer attention during the sales meetings.
Insofar as VoIP - That is simply the technology. Don't think for a moment that Cox was first with it.
Actually....in this market, as far as CLECs or ISPs are concerned, they were first with it. Cox initially rolled out their PacketCable technology (read that as VoIP) in two test markets. You guessed it, Tulsa was one. The other was Hampton Roads, Virginia. And no, I don't consider Vonage (or any of the other piggyback carriers) a REAL CLEC.
at&t's U-verse uses a different method of compression that gives better sound quality to VOIP. A convenient battery back-up supplies power for five hours of talk time during outages. The voice service provides a 500 number call log and unified messaging with multiple mailboxes. More on U-verse voice here (//%22https://uversecentral1.att.com/uvp/home/explore?umaurl=/uma/RetrieveCatalogContent%3FITEMTYPE%3DCOMPONENT%26ITEMID%3D2002729%26DOCTYPE%3DLEARNMORE%26FORMAT%3DIFRAME%26APPID%3DAMSS%22).
To be honest, I couldn't and still can't tell the difference between Cox's telephone and when we had AT&T.
Sorry, no thanks. AT&T will never have this customer back.
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Originally posted by Hoss
To be honest, I couldn't and still can't tell the difference between Cox's telephone and when we had AT&T.
Sorry, no thanks. AT&T will never have this customer back.
You won't. It's not that the signals are compressed either. All phone calls are digitized at some point in the transmission chain, VOIP calls get that conversion earlier than a pots line.
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by Radio
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Originally posted by laloca65
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
. . . from one that is overcharging you 100% Sure! Hey, at least call and give 'em a scare.
U-verse offers 4 video feeds per receiver and 40HD channels, which means four sets can access different content at the same time (or, 4 DVR streams). Plus, it is already rated at 1080 p HD which is crazy clarity. 10,000 movies on demand. Mapquest maps on yer tv screen via yellowopages.com. DVR controls from your wireless phone. The TVOIP is an entirely different deal than DSL. Plus, no contracts!
I talk to people all the time who are promised a certain speed by cable but in reality are getting far less. One fellah yesterday even checked his 'Cox 10MPS' and was pulling 1.5! You are lucky to have a consistent speed with Cox!
The difference between what Cox offers and what U-verse offers is the difference between a bag phone and an iPhone.
4 feeds per receiver (only one can be HD) and the exact same number of HD channels as COX which does 2 HD streams per receiver and no limit on the number of receivers. I currently have cable in 6 rooms.
Loss of HD functionality? Loss of # rooms?
Additional rooms $5/mo each? HD is $10 extra? Only one DVR allowed? A whopping 1.5M download with their LARGEST package?
PUHLEEZE
Wake me up when you're serious.
TextTextText
Verse. So if Cox phone is so bad then why would ATT be going to the same system? Plus if you weren't aware, Cox provides the phone services for 911 in Tulsa as well as your schools, goverment offices, hospitals, and so many other very important business as well as homes.
And as for any company, if your smart of course your going to try to save your customer from making a mistake and keep them as a customer when they call in to disconnect.
Uh... No.
911 gets its service from AT&T for their 911
system. Cox does not have the capability to provide that service, and be very careful of your facts when you come back with the "Yes they do" line.
Cox may tell you they provide service to the
911 center, and yeah, they may provide cable to the 911 center, but not the 911 phone lines and trunks. Pay closer attention during the sales meetings.
Insofar as VoIP - That is simply the technology. Don't think for a moment that Cox was first with it.
Actually....in this market, as far as CLECs or ISPs are concerned, they were first with it. Cox initially rolled out their PacketCable technology (read that as VoIP) in two test markets. You guessed it, Tulsa was one. The other was Hampton Roads, Virginia. And no, I don't consider Vonage (or any of the other piggyback carriers) a REAL CLEC.
They shouldn't be considered a CLEC unless they have local switching, which I don't think Vonage ever does. That's also why they have real issues with 911 service.
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Originally posted by Hoss
Actually....in this market, as far as CLECs or ISPs are concerned, they were first with it. Cox initially rolled out their PacketCable technology (read that as VoIP) in two test markets. You guessed it, Tulsa was one. The other was Hampton Roads, Virginia. And no, I don't consider Vonage (or any of the other piggyback carriers) a REAL CLEC.
I guess my point was that VoIP is sort of like the internal combustion engine. Almost everyone uses it to propel their cars, does it really matter at this point who used it first?
Just like with engines, everyone has modifications - but the underlying physics are still the same.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
at&t's U-verse uses a different method of compression that gives better sound quality to VOIP. A convenient battery back-up supplies power for five hours of talk time during outages. The voice service provides a 500 number call log and unified messaging with multiple mailboxes. More on U-verse voice here (//%22https://uversecentral1.att.com/uvp/home/explore?umaurl=/uma/RetrieveCatalogContent%3FITEMTYPE%3DCOMPONENT%26ITEMID%3D2002729%26DOCTYPE%3DLEARNMORE%26FORMAT%3DIFRAME%26APPID%3DAMSS%22).
pancakes is going on with you? You get the facts wrong and keep posting crap? U-Verse doesn't use VoIP. It uses POTS through the remote terminal, just like at&t/SBC/SWB's voice has been for the last 20 years. When the battery in the RT dies, so does your telephone service.
That is, unless you happen to be hooked directly to the CO, which since around 2001 has been unlikely unless you're closer than about a mile. Once you switch to U-Verse, you will certainly be fed through an RT, thus subject to battery drain after a while.
That said, Cox has a lot more batteries to charge than at&t, so it's much more likely that at&t will get a portable generator out to the RT before they crap out than Cox does. And of course Cox depends on the battery in your modem not going out, which takes around 12 hours from what I hear. If you have it on a dedicated UPS, the battery in the UPS will of course lengthen that time considerably.
Also, at&t's Internet speeds, even over U-Verse are abysmal compared to Cox. The only saving grace there is that their abysmal speeds are almost always rock solid reliable. Cox has been that way for me, though, since I switched.
If it weren't for the limitation on multiple HD streams and the inability to use my TiVos, I'd at least consider U-Verse. As it stands I've got 6 HD tuners in my apartment. (2 dual tuner HD TiVos w/CableCARDs and one of Cox's DVRs that I need to take back to them sometime)
Of course, it's not available to me (I'm in an at&t serviced area in south Tulsa), so the service might as well not exist, anyway. Even if it did, they never could get 6Mbps DSL to work, so why should I expect them to be able to get 25Mbps DSL to work? (the DSL remote terminal is only about half a mile away from me, which happens to be where they put in a new U-Verse RT a couple of months ago)
And just out of curiosity, is there a single U-Verse FTTP build in Tulsa? I know there is at least one subdivision in the OKC area, but I haven't heard of any here.
Thank you Nathanm. I was feeling isolated on geek island.
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Originally posted by nathanm
pancakes is going on with you? You get the facts wrong and keep posting crap? U-Verse doesn't use VoIP. It uses POTS through the remote terminal, just like at&t/SBC/SWB's voice has been for the last 20 years. When the battery in the RT dies, so does your telephone service.
Geek on, brahs! When at&t's own press releases refer to U-verse voice as a VOIP service, what is the everyday consumer to think? THAT is what is wrong with me. Here, read this press release. (//%22http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/T/press/2008/07/07/att-u-verse-arrives-in-tulsa%22) Here is a Google search on the topic. (//%22http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=u-verse+voice+quality+voip&spell=1%22) Whatev, dude.
Cox offered to price match my services which would have saved me about $200 a year, but I do not have the high-end services which were bringing the 50% offer to OKC customers. Apparently those of you who spend like $200 a MONTH on their services may get the 50% offer. So you big-spenders out there may be able to save some major bank by merely threatening to switch.
Doesnt sound like POTS (plain old telephone service) to me:
"AT&T U-verse Voice is a little different in terms of managed IP-based service. Instead of being delivered over the internet, it's delivered over AT&T's fiber network, which according to the company results in better sound quality and reliability.
But then, how is U-verse VoIP? The voice and wireless voice mail boxes are accessible both online and on traditional phone lines. It also features click-to-call functionality and Locate Me, which allows calls to simultaneously go to up to four wireless or landline phones."
http://www.voip-news.com/blog/20080212/new-voip-service-in-connecticut
If nothing else, competition is good for the consumer.
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Originally posted by patric
Doesnt sound like POTS (plain old telephone service) to me:
"AT&T U-verse Voice is a little different in terms of managed IP-based service. Instead of being delivered over the internet, it's delivered over AT&T's fiber network, which according to the company results in better sound quality and reliability.
What they say is technically true. The service is delivered partially over fiber, just as it has been for 20 years or more in some places.
The new "features" could be offered just as easily without U-Verse. The modifications are pure software on their end combined with some features implemented through their video boxes. (IIRC). The talk path is still the standard voice over copper.
Regardless, it's stupid expensive for what you get. My video bill, including all the premiums, is only about $100 a month. (and that includes taxes) at&t's Internet service is indeed cheaper, but it's also significantly slower. If you don't mind that, why bother with U-Verse? They sell 3Mbps DSL for $20 a month, after all, or the 1.5 they include as part of the package price for $15.
They do have one major advantage over Cox, though. They have HDNet and HDNet Movies.
My point is that you're probably paying too much if you're bundling services. Sometimes Cox and at&t both run specials where the first 6 months are cheaper if you bundle, but the normal price for each component is the same regardless, so after your promotional period is up, you'll be paying full price.
My cox bundle discount ($30) has been active for like 4-5 years.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
My cox bundle discount ($30) has been active for like 4-5 years.
Ditto.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
My cox bundle discount ($30) has been active for like 4-5 years.
Lucky you. They claim to only do 6 month deals now.
so what dollar amount did Cox take off to keep you a customer?
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Originally posted by nathanm
The new "features" could be offered just as easily without U-Verse. The modifications are pure software on their end combined with some features implemented through their video boxes. (IIRC). The talk path is still the standard voice over copper.
Apparently those software mods give voice a better sound than cable or other VOIP services. I dunno.
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Originally posted by nathanm
Regardless, it's stupid expensive for what you get. My video bill, including all the premiums, is only about $100 a month. (and that includes taxes) at&t's Internet service is indeed cheaper, but it's also significantly slower. If you don't mind that, why bother with U-Verse? They sell 3Mbps DSL for $20 a month, after all, or the 1.5 they include as part of the package price for $15.
Cox is charging me $40/mo for their 6Mbps and I have been getting 1.5 downstream 700k upstream. DSL and u-verse should provide the promised speed more routinely (more bang for the buck).
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Originally posted by nathanm
They do have one major advantage over Cox, though. They have HDNet and HDNet Movies.
Have you seen Cox's commercial that misleads viewers? It says 'the phone company charges extra for HD.'
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Originally posted by nathanm
My point is that you're probably paying too much if you're bundling services. Sometimes Cox and at&t both run specials where the first 6 months are cheaper if you bundle, but the normal price for each component is the same regardless, so after your promotional period is up, you'll be paying full price.
So you still save with bundled services because of the promotional discount, right? Interweb orders for u-verse are offering first month free, so I will save about $104 there, pick up wireless networking 'free' and HD/DVR to boot, still for less than what Cox was charging me. I am not going to bundle my wireless though BC bundled services are not eligible for discounts on the wireless.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
Cox is charging me $40/mo for their 6Mbps and I have been getting 1.5 downstream 700k upstream. DSL and u-verse should provide the promised speed more routinely (more bang for the buck).
If you are getting 1.5mbit downstream on the 9mbit plan, you have serious signal issues or you need to do a better job of benchmarking your connection.
Let's run a quick test of my 12mbit connection I pay $54/mo for:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/294487499.png)
Speedboost above and beyond my normal 24mbit: Check. Upstream slightly above my rated 1mbit: check. And this is before even higher speeds come later this summer... All I am saying is don't blame Cox if you have failed to maintain the lines in your house. If you actually wanted speed out of your connection instead of trying to bash Cox, you could easily get it.
Hmm, maybe I need more test sites?
PCPitstop:
Your receive buffer size is currently set at default. The default value does not provide the best performance. We recommend PC Pitstop Optimize to increase download speed.
Download speed: 12455 kilobits per second
Speakeasy.net:
Download Speed: 24227 kbps (3028.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 1026 kbps (128.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
No bashing, I talk to folk who never got good service from DSL as well. If I was not u-verse 'eligible' I would stay with Cox (and take the discount for threatening to switch). I had times when I went days without service with cable and FINALLY they sent someone out - no more outages but still slow. Truthfully, since I do not do heavy lifting on the innerwebs I never really noticed it was slow until I did one of them bandwidth tests.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
No bashing, I talk to folk who never got good service from DSL as well. If I was not u-verse 'eligible' I would stay with Cox (and take the discount for threatening to switch). I had times when I went days without service with cable and FINALLY they sent someone out - no more outages but still slow. Truthfully, since I do not do heavy lifting on the innerwebs I never really noticed it was slow until I did one of them bandwidth tests.
http://192.168.100.1
Check your signal levels. Downstream should be between -10 and +10 for acceptable performance, between -5 and +5 is really good. With all the old wiring in this house I once sat at -9 to -11, now between 0 and -2. Upstream should also be well below 50db. I'm just saying... if you are going to say ANYTHING about internet speed, you can't use your own poorly maintained connection as a reason to blame the provider.
Any time I had a real service problem, Cox has always been on top of it for me and has had people out in the freezing cold at 9pm fixing the tiniest problems for me (which have been next to none.) To lure me away from Cox, I would need something along the lines of 15mbit or higher downstream with 2mbit or higher upstream. Good luck to anyone who wants to try and provide that to me, I would love some competition. :)
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
Apparently those software mods give voice a better sound than cable or other VOIP services. I dunno.
They give it the same high quality that landlines have always had when you're decently near a CO.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
Cox is charging me $40/mo for their 6Mbps and I have been getting 1.5 downstream 700k upstream. DSL and u-verse should provide the promised speed more routinely (more bang for the buck).
Either you have a problem with your drop, or your node is severely overloaded. I can get a solid 12Mbps most any time of day. More if you count Powerboost.
I can't say I ever had a problem with reliably getting the advertised speed on DSL, though. I had 3Mbps service (I tried to get 6, but they couldn't make it work) and almost always got 3Mbps. And for $25 a month, I can't complain. It was $30 a month cheaper, after all.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
Have you seen Cox's commercial that misleads viewers? It says 'the phone company charges extra for HD.'
Except that it's not at all misleading. U-Verse has a separate "HD" line item. $10 a month, plus boxes are $5 a month. The boxes are slightly cheaper, I suppose, but who needs 'em? I pay $1.99/mo for a CableCARD, which gets me HD service.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
So you still save with bundled services because of the promotional discount, right? Interweb orders for u-verse are offering first month free, so I will save about $104 there, pick up wireless networking 'free' and HD/DVR to boot, still for less than what Cox was charging me. I am not going to bundle my wireless though BC bundled services are not eligible for discounts on the wireless.
A free month's service is nice, but I've already got two wireless APs and a couple of HD TiVos (which won't even work with U-Verse [xx(]).
If they had a way for me to get only their HD channels for $15 or $20 a month, I'd probably try it out, just because I want HDNet and HDNet Movies.
Color me unimpressed. Two AT&T employees came to my door and stayed 15 minutes trying to convince me that I should switch even with the fact I would have to drop a couple of TV's, only record one HD program, and have slower internet. However, they could (possibly) save me $6
Woo.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Color me unimpressed. Two AT&T employees came to my door and stayed 15 minutes trying to convince me that I should switch even with the fact I would have to drop a couple of TV's, only record one HD program, and have slower internet. However, they could (possibly) save me $6
Woo.
Not surprising.
And I'm officially not impressed with Dish either. I have several friends who have it and say 'they have 100 HD channels'. The reason they do is that they compress them so much they're damn near unwatchable. I stayed for a couple of hours at a friend of mine's home who just bought a similar size HD set to mine and I was less than impressed with the picture quality. Hate to think what it looks like during the rain.
Cox may only have about 30 HD channels, but all of them are watchable.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
. . . from one that is overcharging you 100% Sure! Hey, at least call and give 'em a scare.
U-verse offers 4 video feeds per receiver and 40HD channels, which means four sets can access different content at the same time (or, 4 DVR streams). Plus, it is already rated at 1080 p HD which is crazy clarity. 10,000 movies on demand. Mapquest maps on yer tv screen via yellowopages.com. DVR controls from your wireless phone. The TVOIP is an entirely different deal than DSL. Plus, no contracts!
I talk to people all the time who are promised a certain speed by cable but in reality are getting far less. One fellah yesterday even checked his 'Cox 10MPS' and was pulling 1.5! You are lucky to have a consistent speed with Cox!
The difference between what Cox offers and what U-verse offers is the difference between a bag phone and an iPhone.
So, would this indicate our "picture in picture" will be functional with U-verse?
U-verse has changed my life. It is awesome! The PIP preview works with any set, and what is kewl is that one may flip between PIP stations with the main set in the background so that one can actually monitor three stations.
The channel feed is a lot faster and I have had zero blocking. Also, I can hide the kajillion channels I do not watch so that when I surf I do not even have to preview unwanted channels. Which is good, because with a new channel order I do a lot of surfing.
The web is a lot faster, and is 100% wi-fi. I am running 5.5 on 6 MBS with zero pauses or slowdowns.
A lot of times I will have all four DVR feeds going at once, and still have my current channel going. Awesome.
The ground troops made a mistake in positing the product as a cost-saver, though for most people lucky enough to be in the area it will save money (I picked up wi-fi with better sustained web speeds, two premium services (SHO/Encore +), DVR) over Cox. If yer bag is pinching pennies well there you go. I have people all day decry the iPhone because it is too expensive and they think the extra features are fluff. SW ('some will, some won't, so what, someones' waiting').
The TVOIP makes cable look like bagphones. U-verse makes Cox look like an eight-track player. If I had to go back to Cox, I would not have TV. It is that simple. I am officially spoiled rotten. The king of all television. The undisputed lord and master of the remote. All hail U-verse!!!
For a real-time demo of the U-verse, see the Highland Plaza store at 41st/Hudson.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
U-verse has changed my life. It is awesome! The PIP preview works with any set, and what is kewl is that one may flip between PIP stations with the main set in the background so that one can actually monitor three stations.
The channel feed is a lot faster and I have had zero blocking. Also, I can hide the kajillion channels I do not watch so that when I surf I do not even have to preview unwanted channels. Which is good, because with a new channel order I do a lot of surfing.
The web is a lot faster, and is 100% wi-fi. I am running 5.5 on 6 MBS with zero pauses or slowdowns.
A lot of times I will have all four DVR feeds going at once, and still have my current channel going. Awesome.
The ground troops made a mistake in positing the product as a cost-saver, though for most people lucky enough to be in the area it will save money (I picked up wi-fi with better sustained web speeds, two premium services (SHO/Encore +), DVR) over Cox. If yer bag is pinching pennies well there you go. I have people all day decry the iPhone because it is too expensive and they think the extra features are fluff. SW ('some will, some won't, so what, someones' waiting').
The TVOIP makes cable look like bagphones. U-verse makes Cox look like an eight-track player. If I had to go back to Cox, I would not have TV. It is that simple. I am officially spoiled rotten. The king of all television. The undisputed lord and master of the remote. All hail U-verse!!!
For a real-time demo of the U-verse, see the Highland Plaza store at 41st/Hudson.
I want to know how long you've been working for AT&T.
[:D]
And my internet speed is about 20 down. Let Uverse match that...
AT&T's sales tactics are dispicable. I had a U-Verse guy come door to door at my place and basically lied up one side and down the other. Told him I'd sign up but if I found out he was lieing I'd call the next day and cancel, sure enough he lied. So I called and cancelled the install. Beware of the UVerse salesmen.
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Originally posted by OUGrad05
AT&T's sales tactics are dispicable. I had a U-Verse guy come door to door at my place and basically lied up one side and down the other. Told him I'd sign up but if I found out he was lieing I'd call the next day and cancel, sure enough he lied. So I called and cancelled the install. Beware of the UVerse salesmen.
What did he say?
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
U-verse has changed my life. It is awesome! The PIP preview works with any set, and what is kewl is that one may flip between PIP stations with the main set in the background so that one can actually monitor three stations.
The channel feed is a lot faster and I have had zero blocking. Also, I can hide the kajillion channels I do not watch so that when I surf I do not even have to preview unwanted channels. Which is good, because with a new channel order I do a lot of surfing.
The web is a lot faster, and is 100% wi-fi. I am running 5.5 on 6 MBS with zero pauses or slowdowns.
A lot of times I will have all four DVR feeds going at once, and still have my current channel going. Awesome.
The ground troops made a mistake in positing the product as a cost-saver, though for most people lucky enough to be in the area it will save money (I picked up wi-fi with better sustained web speeds, two premium services (SHO/Encore +), DVR) over Cox. If yer bag is pinching pennies well there you go. I have people all day decry the iPhone because it is too expensive and they think the extra features are fluff. SW ('some will, some won't, so what, someones' waiting').
The TVOIP makes cable look like bagphones. U-verse makes Cox look like an eight-track player. If I had to go back to Cox, I would not have TV. It is that simple. I am officially spoiled rotten. The king of all television. The undisputed lord and master of the remote. All hail U-verse!!!
For a real-time demo of the U-verse, see the Highland Plaza store at 41st/Hudson.
I want to know how long you've been working for AT&T.
[:D]
And my internet speed is about 20 down. Let Uverse match that...
it can't...and the Uverse zealots will try to tell you you can't really take advantage of the 20mb anyways...funny, when I'm downloading at 2mbps and you aren't, I think I am taking advantage of it.
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
U-verse has changed my life. It is awesome! The PIP preview works with any set, and what is kewl is that one may flip between PIP stations with the main set in the background so that one can actually monitor three stations.
The channel feed is a lot faster and I have had zero blocking. Also, I can hide the kajillion channels I do not watch so that when I surf I do not even have to preview unwanted channels. Which is good, because with a new channel order I do a lot of surfing.
The web is a lot faster, and is 100% wi-fi. I am running 5.5 on 6 MBS with zero pauses or slowdowns.
A lot of times I will have all four DVR feeds going at once, and still have my current channel going. Awesome.
The ground troops made a mistake in positing the product as a cost-saver, though for most people lucky enough to be in the area it will save money (I picked up wi-fi with better sustained web speeds, two premium services (SHO/Encore +), DVR) over Cox. If yer bag is pinching pennies well there you go. I have people all day decry the iPhone because it is too expensive and they think the extra features are fluff. SW ('some will, some won't, so what, someones' waiting').
The TVOIP makes cable look like bagphones. U-verse makes Cox look like an eight-track player. If I had to go back to Cox, I would not have TV. It is that simple. I am officially spoiled rotten. The king of all television. The undisputed lord and master of the remote. All hail U-verse!!!
For a real-time demo of the U-verse, see the Highland Plaza store at 41st/Hudson.
I want to know how long you've been working for AT&T.
[:D]
And my internet speed is about 20 down. Let Uverse match that...
it can't...and the Uverse zealots will try to tell you you can't really take advantage of the 20mb anyways...funny, when I'm downloading at 2mbps and you aren't, I think I am taking advantage of it.
Yep, and with Powerboost, I'll see about a minute's worth of 2700 or 2800 down.
which is still a lot more than you'd see with Uverse any given minute of the day.
And Cox can never ever give me PIP preview. Never ever. Ergo, all Cox digital services suck and will always suck and people should not ever waste their time investigating the service.
Cox would not give me a wi-fi modem and now I have one for the same price as I was paying. Most customers I talk to order the 3mb service so the 20mb demand is ridiculous.
When I went to turn in my decrepit Cox box only one was going out of their dumpy store and everyone else was turning them in. All the crappy old boxes were piled in a corner like trash. It was awesome.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
And Cox can never ever give me PIP preview. Never ever. Ergo, all Cox digital services suck and will always suck and people should not ever waste their time investigating the service.
Cox would not give me a wi-fi modem and now I have one for the same price as I was paying. Most customers I talk to order the 3mb service so the 20mb demand is ridiculous.
When I went to turn in my decrepit Cox box only one was going out of their dumpy store and everyone else was turning them in. All the crappy old boxes were piled in a corner like trash. It was awesome.
You sound suspiciously like an AT&T shill. AT&T sucks. And that is not just my opinion.