http://www.newsok.com/article/3255144/
Did you see that Bob Dylan is going to play the Cain's on August 27th?
I've seen Dylan live a few times, I'm not impressed. He's too loud and grizzled. He was impressive on the Time Out of Mind tour of PAC's, but generally it's just loud guitar (only seen him the 2 times to be honest).
Carrie Underwood is another huge act for the arena. Great job by the management company.
Tulsa World: http://www.tulsaworld.com/entertainment/spot/article.aspx?articleID=20080610_269_Count84247
Fill it up with hay bales and hayseeds.
I bet SMG was planning another "announcement" and got scooped.
Bob Dylan's playing The Brady, not Cain's, according to GetTix.net?
http://www.gettix.net/concert/?event_id=2560
Breitee, you've angered them over at the World postings.
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Originally posted by Townsend
Breitee, you've angered them over at the World postings.
Well, I agree with Breitee. I don't want the BOk center to fail, but they are certainly targeting a certain demographic really hard. Nothing thus far for the 18-40 year old non-country fan really.
I'm not really complaining, I think what they have signed will do well. It's just not my cup of tea nor many other people in that vast demographic I listed above.
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Originally posted by Townsend
Breitee, you've angered them over at the World postings.
I really don't care. Why the hell does everything in this town have be country music or nothing? There are so many other types of music out there and all we hear from the Bok center is another country act coming to town. Come on, broaden your horizons people!
Carrie Underwood has already sold something like 15 million albums, and her singles keep popping up in the pop charts.
It's safe to say that she's gone beyond being simply a country singer. If Carrie Underwood is square, then the whole nation is.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
I've seen Dylan live a few times, I'm not impressed. He's too loud and grizzled. He was impressive on the Time Out of Mind tour of PAC's, but generally it's just loud guitar (only seen him the 2 times to be honest).
Carrie Underwood is another huge act for the arena. Great job by the management company.
"It's bad out there
High water everywhere"
So, you won't be there to bring the room down?
"We've got both kinds. Country AND western!"
Considering that there are more country music FM stations than any other genre in Tulsa. I would assume that country is the most popular music form in our area. You can't deny that it has strong roots here. That's just the way it is. I am just waiting on a really cool show that would really interest me. (besides the Circus...I love the circus!)
I am not a fan of country, but we are in Oklahoma...
Can we please get something worth a crap at the Arena???!!!!!
I am tired of driving to Dallas and St. Louis to see good bands play. ( However, Radiohead at the Riverport in St. Louis was a phenomenal show)
Did anyone else read the title of this thread as "BOK Center gets more Courtney Love"?
No?
Anyone?
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Originally posted by we vs us
Did anyone else read the title of this thread as "BOK Center gets more Courtney Love"?
No?
Anyone?
VooDoo Economics.
Yeah I thought that as well.
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Originally posted by BKDotCom
"We've got both kinds. Country AND western!"
"Well we're the 'Good Ole Boys' come here to play at Bob's Country Bunker!
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Originally posted by tulsascoot
Can we please get something worth a crap at the Arena???!!!!!
I am tired of driving to Dallas and St. Louis to see good bands play. ( However, Radiohead at the Riverport in St. Louis was a phenomenal show)
+1. I didn't get to see the show in STL but I did catch them in Dallas and it was amazing.
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Originally posted by tulsascoot
Can we please get something worth a crap at the Arena???!!!!!
I am tired of driving to Dallas and St. Louis to see good bands play. ( However, Radiohead at the Riverport in St. Louis was a phenomenal show)
Exactly my point. Enough of the ****kicker crap. Diversify!
Maybe once these shows fill the arena on a regular basis, shows that don't have such a solid demographic fit will start to book as well.
By the way:
Top grossing acts of 2007
1. The Police ($131.9m)
2. Kenny Chesney ($71.1m)
3. Justin Timberlake ($70.6m)
4. Celine Dion ($65.3m)
5. Van Halen ($56.7m)
6. Tim McGraw and Faith Hill ($52.3m)
7. Rod Stewart ($49.0m)
8. Genesis ($47.6m)
9. Josh Groban ($43.0m)
10. Rascal Flatts ($41.5m)
Draw your own conclusions about what acts the BOk Center "should" be booking. We want good shows, but we also want the thing to be profitable, right?
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Originally posted by Floyd
Maybe once these shows fill the arena on a regular basis, shows that don't have such a solid demographic fit will start to book as well.
By the way:
Top grossing acts of 2007
1. The Police ($131.9m)
2. Kenny Chesney ($71.1m)
3. Justin Timberlake ($70.6m)
4. Celine Dion ($65.3m)
5. Van Halen ($56.7m)
6. Tim McGraw and Faith Hill ($52.3m)
7. Rod Stewart ($49.0m)
8. Genesis ($47.6m)
9. Josh Groban ($43.0m)
10. Rascal Flatts ($41.5m)
Draw your own conclusions about what acts the BOk Center "should" be booking. We want good shows, but we also want the thing to be profitable, right?
HOLY ****. THE POLICE damn near doubled Kenny Chesney in 2nd place? WOW!! That is something I would have never guessed. I agree some diff acts at the BOK would be nice...then again between Rascall Flatts, Celine Dion, Niel Diamond, and Carrie Underwood, who says thats not diversity!!!
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Originally posted by breitee
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Originally posted by tulsascoot
Can we please get something worth a crap at the Arena???!!!!!
I am tired of driving to Dallas and St. Louis to see good bands play. ( However, Radiohead at the Riverport in St. Louis was a phenomenal show)
Exactly my point. Enough of the ****kicker crap. Diversify!
Why, you say the building looks like a 'giant roll of duct tape' anyway.
Pollstar Top 50 in ticket sales for the week. This is not revenue, just ticket sales and serves as a snap shot (not touring or tickets not on sale = not on the list). I think in many ways it is a more important measure (butts in seats mean more to the venue than the price of the ticket) but like any other measure has it's flaws (not touring!).
Some make sense, others don't (new kids?). But I'd go see Coldplay, Madonna, STP, Dave, Peal Jam, Radiohead, Tom Petty, Foo Fighters, Rage, NIN, or REM for sure. BUT, the acts we have are still popular even though not all are currently selling tickets (American Idol will be huge, Rascall Flatts and Celion Dion - but tickets not on sale yet).
I still stand by my notion of ignoring my demographic (18-50 year old non-country fans) and reiterate that the acts they have landed should sell well.
Anyway, another interesting list:
This week, last, artist
6 1 Coldplay
1 2 Madonna
8 3 Eagles
5 4 Brad Paisley
3 5 Stone Temple Pilots
7 6 Metallica
12 7 Dave Matthews Band
9 8 Pearl Jam
10 9 Radiohead
4 10 Tina Turner
27 11 Elton John
25 12 Judas Priest
18 13 Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
14 14 Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band
16 15 New Kids On The Block
19 16 KISS
15 17 Motley Crue
22 18 Foo Fighters
30 19 The Cure
24 20 Eric Clapton
17 21 Neil Diamond
28 22 Iron Maiden
11 23 Tom Waits
31 24 Rush
43 25 Death Cab For Cutie
23 26 Bon Jovi
20 27 Neil Young
26 28 The Police
39 29 Journey
37 30 Rage Against the Machine
31 John Mayer
34 32 Poison
53 33 Lynyrd Skynyrd
49 34 Lenny Kravitz
21 35 Bob Dylan
33 36 Def Leppard
36 37 Nine Inch Nails
54 38 Queen + Paul Rodgers
39 Puddle Of Mudd
52 40 Sheryl Crow
51 41 Kenny Chesney
47 42 R.E.M.
38 43 Robert Plant and Alison Krauss
55 44 3 Doors Down
29 45 Kid Rock
54 46 Jimmy Eat World
53 47 Duran Duran
48 The Flaming Lips
56 49 Jimmy Buffett
2 50 Janet Jackson
http://www.pollstar.com/about_pollstar.pl?page=Help
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QuoteOriginally posted by tulsascoot
Can we please get something worth a crap at the Arena???!!!!!
I am tired of driving to Dallas and St. Louis to see good bands play. ( However, Radiohead at the Riverport in St. Louis was a phenomenal show)
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Exactly my point. Enough of the ****kicker crap. Diversify!
Why, you say the building looks like a 'giant roll of duct tape' anyway.
What does one quote have to do with the other? The building does look like a giant roll of duct tape, but that does not mean that I would not attend a show there if they would diversify and book some acts other than country. There ARE other types of music.
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Originally posted by breitee
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Originally posted by Hoss
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Originally posted by breitee
QuoteOriginally posted by tulsascoot
Can we please get something worth a crap at the Arena???!!!!!
I am tired of driving to Dallas and St. Louis to see good bands play. ( However, Radiohead at the Riverport in St. Louis was a phenomenal show)
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Exactly my point. Enough of the ****kicker crap. Diversify!
Why, you say the building looks like a 'giant roll of duct tape' anyway.
What does one quote have to do with the other? The building does look like a giant roll of duct tape, but that does not mean that I would not attend a show there if they would diversify and book some acts other than country. There ARE other types of music.
As well as a pop can that has been smashed IMO.
i like to think of it as the giant glass cinnamon roll...
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Originally posted by brunoflipper
i like to think of it as the giant glass cinnamon roll...
To me it looks like a QT coffee lid.
All of Dylan's songs sound great- when they are sung by someone other than him. Great poet and songwriter, always sounds like a demo-track musician to me. Sorry to blaspheme, but he's just never really appealed to me enough to go see him. I like plenty of others from his era and genre, just never got the Bob.
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Originally posted by tulsascoot
Can we please get something worth a crap at the Arena???!!!!!
I am tired of driving to Dallas and St. Louis to see good bands play. ( However, Radiohead at the Riverport in St. Louis was a phenomenal show)
Hate to say "I told you so" to so many who thought this arena would bring in the Stones, Clapton, et. al.
Having an 18,000 seat arena is useless in attracting a-list entertainment (ostensibly of the non-country variety) if you don't have the demographic and pops that a promoter is looking for.
I wouldn't go so far as to say what's been booked at BOK is total crap, but we aren't going to get near as many acts who will play STL, DFW, NYC, etc. if it comes down to choosing OKC or TUL, unless OKC is already booked with a sporting event or another show. Even then, they might move it forward or back a day or book on the back side of the tour.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by tulsascoot
Can we please get something worth a crap at the Arena???!!!!!
I am tired of driving to Dallas and St. Louis to see good bands play. ( However, Radiohead at the Riverport in St. Louis was a phenomenal show)
Hate to say "I told you so" to so many who thought this arena would bring in the Stones, Clapton, et. al.
Having an 18,000 seat arena is useless in attracting a-list entertainment (ostensibly of the non-country variety) if you don't have the demographic and pops that a promoter is looking for.
I wouldn't go so far as to say what's been booked at BOK is total crap, but we aren't going to get near as many acts who will play STL, DFW, NYC, etc. if it comes down to choosing OKC or TUL, unless OKC is already booked with a sporting event or another show. Even then, they might move it forward or back a day or book on the back side of the tour.
And what frequency was your crystal ball tuned to this evening?
Comeon people; a lot of acts aren't even on tour yet. I'll be the first to admit that I'm not much of a country music fan, but I'm betting other demographics are being pushed as well. The only concerts I can get really stoked about are Van Halen and any of the old late eighties/early nineties hair bands (yes, I wore mine that way in my late teens).
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Pollstar Top 50 in ticket sales for the week. This is not revenue, just ticket sales and serves as a snap shot (not touring or tickets not on sale = not on the list). I think in many ways it is a more important measure (butts in seats mean more to the venue than the price of the ticket) but like any other measure has it's flaws (not touring!).
Some make sense, others don't (new kids?). But I'd go see Coldplay, Madonna, STP, Dave, Peal Jam, Radiohead, Tom Petty, Foo Fighters, Rage, NIN, or REM for sure. BUT, the acts we have are still popular even though not all are currently selling tickets (American Idol will be huge, Rascall Flatts and Celion Dion - but tickets not on sale yet).
Except for Madonna, I must say you have good musical taste. I've seen 3 of the bands you mentioned and they were all incredible.
I can only say I really know a handful of Madonna songs, and then usually in a casual way (Like a Virgin & Material Girl off the top of my head). But my wife is a fairly big Madonna fan (anything 80's) and she would want to go for the sport of it. I'm sure it would be an entertaining show, and in 40 years when she keels over and dies... I could say I saw her.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by tulsascoot
Can we please get something worth a crap at the Arena???!!!!!
I am tired of driving to Dallas and St. Louis to see good bands play. ( However, Radiohead at the Riverport in St. Louis was a phenomenal show)
Hate to say "I told you so" to so many who thought this arena would bring in the Stones, Clapton, et. al.
Having an 18,000 seat arena is useless in attracting a-list entertainment (ostensibly of the non-country variety) if you don't have the demographic and pops that a promoter is looking for.
I wouldn't go so far as to say what's been booked at BOK is total crap, but we aren't going to get near as many acts who will play STL, DFW, NYC, etc. if it comes down to choosing OKC or TUL, unless OKC is already booked with a sporting event or another show. Even then, they might move it forward or back a day or book on the back side of the tour.
Stones and Clapton aren't touring right now.
Nobody was saying this was going to put Tulsa on the same list as NYC or DFW. Idea was to bring cool acts to Tulsa that would have been coming but for the lack of a venue. Now the venue exists and 18,000 very happy Tulsans have the opportunity to see Kenney Chesney sing "She Thinks My Tractor's Sexy" live.
I'm more excited for the NCAA basketball games that will be played there, and the Sonics exhibitions, but yeah, Kenney Chesney's okay too.
EDIT: there is this false premise that country acts aren't "A-list." They are--just look at the 2007 top ten list I posted. Country acts are consistently top grossing and also top album-selling. We're in Oklahoma. We're going to be booking some top country acts.
Bates is correct, again (gawd that's tough to admit). It should've been the QT Coliseum.
Anywayze, don't know what's happened with The Eagles. Maybe the conflict of interest handlers of the Bock are trying to decide which arena to manipulate them to....but I think they will be the openers.
Just missed Carlos which is going to the Ford.
Love Carlos. Petty w/b fun. Doesn't matter. The devil shows up in many other parts of the country. Especially at festival time.
Don't miss these shows!
Bill Frizell.....Blank Slate July 30
Black Crowes .....Cains
Bob Dylan......Brady
Todd Rundgren,Lou Gramm (Foreigner), Bo Bice, Christopher Cross, and Denny Lane together for a Beatles tribute coming to the Brady.
"Life goes on, Bra."
Lennon/McCartney
Thank you to everybody for giving your best effort in attempting to prove that forum posters are a bunch of cranks, whiners and complainers who should be ignored. Seriously, bravo.
Get a grip, people. Just because YOUR favorite band isn't among the first half dozen announced doesn't make the arena a failure. Just because there are three country acts coming soon (three of the hottest, best-selling acts in country, btw) doesn't mean it's going to be all country, all the time.
Are all you whiners just a bunch of bored 13 year old girls sitting at your computer all day? Because you're giving 13 year old girls a bad name.
If all you're going to do it ***** and whine, Tulsa World comments section is that way ~~~>
That entire post was a complaint Kettle.
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Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE
Thank you to everybody for giving your best effort in attempting to prove that forum posters are a bunch of cranks, whiners and complainers who should be ignored. Seriously, bravo.
Get a grip, people. Just because YOUR favorite band isn't among the first half dozen announced doesn't make the arena a failure. Just because there are three country acts coming soon (three of the hottest, best-selling acts in country, btw) doesn't mean it's going to be all country, all the time.
Are all you whiners just a bunch of bored 13 year old girls sitting at your computer all day? Because you're giving 13 year old girls a bad name.
If all you're going to do it ***** and whine, Tulsa World comments section is that way ~~~>
Who called it a failure? It's not so unreasonable to want to go to our new arena and check it out. I just haven't seen anything to make me want to go.
And as far as bringing in top grossing acts, it doesn't really matter if they are the biggest national acts if they can fill it up.
Lots of smaller acts could sell it out in Tulsa. There are hundreds of thousands of people in NW Arkansas and many would gladly drive here to see a show. We just need to include them in the marketing.
So I'm just hoping we can get Pearl Jam, I haven't seen them in ten years, and I am going to miss them at Bonnaroo this weekend. :{
A tour of the BOk Center
By Michael Bates on June 20, 2008 5:47 PM | Permalink | Comments (2) | TrackBacks (0)
This week in Urban Tulsa Weekly, I wrote about a tour I was given a few weeks ago of Tulsa's BOk Center arena, scheduled to open this fall. Far from winning me over, the tour convinced me that by foregoing the "iconic" approach to architecture we could have had, for an amount closer to the original budget, an arena that would make a positive addition to downtown's urban fabric.
In the column, I mentioned another Cesar Pelli public facility with a curved, "iconic" glass wall. That's the Benjamin and Marian Schuster Performing Arts Center in Dayton, Ohio. The Schuster Center opened in 2003; construction began in 2000. The Rike Building, a handsome seven-story Sullivanesque department store built in 1911, was demolished to make way for the Schuster Center.
You can see the transformation from good urban form which works well at a distance and up-close at pedestrian scale to a building that is somewhat interesting at a distance but monotonous up close. You would have been able to peek in the display windows of Rike's; the reflective glass on the Schuster Center won't let you see inside.
If you want to take a virtual Google Street View stroll past the Schuster Center, as I suggest in my column, start here and head west on W 2nd St.
Michael could not have said it better. We sure wasted a lot of money on a poor design. Pelli is a nut and his designs reflect that.
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A tour of the BOk Center
By Michael Bates on June 20, 2008 5:47 PM | Permalink | Comments (2) | TrackBacks (0)
This week in Urban Tulsa Weekly, I wrote about a tour I was given a few weeks ago of Tulsa's BOk Center arena, scheduled to open this fall. Far from winning me over, the tour convinced me that by foregoing the "iconic" approach to architecture we could have had, for an amount closer to the original budget, an arena that would make a positive addition to downtown's urban fabric.
In the column, I mentioned another Cesar Pelli public facility with a curved, "iconic" glass wall. That's the Benjamin and Marian Schuster Performing Arts Center in Dayton, Ohio. The Schuster Center opened in 2003; construction began in 2000. The Rike Building, a handsome seven-story Sullivanesque department store built in 1911, was demolished to make way for the Schuster Center.
You can see the transformation from good urban form which works well at a distance and up-close at pedestrian scale to a building that is somewhat interesting at a distance but monotonous up close. You would have been able to peek in the display windows of Rike's; the reflective glass on the Schuster Center won't let you see inside.
If you want to take a virtual Google Street View stroll past the Schuster Center, as I suggest in my column, start here and head west on W 2nd St.
Michael could not have said it better. We sure wasted a lot of money on a poor design. Pelli is a nut and his designs reflect that.
You and Bates aren't the end-all opinion on this. As a matter of fact, you two are the ONLY ones I've heard to say that don't like the design, and I've talked to more than several.
Bates is still mad the Vision2025 passed, so of course he's not going to like the flagship project of it.
I was part of the May 8 tour group; I was rather impressed by the design AND functionality of this building. I respect you and Michael's opinion, but I believe it's in the minority.
It looks cool. I saw it from Lookout mountain last week and it just stands out -- it really lights up that part of downtown from the distance. You pretty much have to have some preconceived bias or something up your craw not to like it.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by tulsascoot
Can we please get something worth a crap at the Arena???!!!!!
I am tired of driving to Dallas and St. Louis to see good bands play. ( However, Radiohead at the Riverport in St. Louis was a phenomenal show)
Hate to say "I told you so" to so many who thought this arena would bring in the Stones, Clapton, et. al.
Having an 18,000 seat arena is useless in attracting a-list entertainment (ostensibly of the non-country variety) if you don't have the demographic and pops that a promoter is looking for.
I wouldn't go so far as to say what's been booked at BOK is total crap, but we aren't going to get near as many acts who will play STL, DFW, NYC, etc. if it comes down to choosing OKC or TUL, unless OKC is already booked with a sporting event or another show. Even then, they might move it forward or back a day or book on the back side of the tour.
Here's the lineup at the similar sized jobing.com arena in Glendale, AZ:
http://www.jobingarena.com/
Not really much different than the BOK, and the Phoenix metro is almost 5 million.
What acts are booked is not so much a reflection on a city's collective tastes, but who is on tour at any given time, and who will make the most money on the national circut by being able to sell out these big venues. The line ups are pretty much all the same.
The differences:
Tulsa's arena is downtown, and not 20 miles away in BFE, (like jobing.com) and Tulsa's arena is an iconic, architectural gem that will impress all who visit Tulsa (unlike the majority of venues out there).
Tulsans are Tulsa's worst critics.
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Michael could not have said it better. We sure wasted a lot of money on a poor design. Pelli is a nut and his designs reflect that.
Right. And you must be a complete idiot to make such an incredibly ridiculous statement. Have you even seen any of his works? Why don't you try to educate yourself:
http://www.pcparch.com/flash.cfm
Pelli is one of the most influential, innovative and talented architects of our day. You may have heard of him as the designer of the world's tallest twin Petronas Towers, the amazing 8 million square foot Citycenter in Las Vegas which is the worlds largest LEED certified (green) project, and the tallest skyscrper west of Chicago, the Transbay Transit Center to be built in San Francisco to name just a few of his world renowned works.
Tulsa is lucky to get a Pelli designed structure.
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Originally posted by breitee
We sure wasted a lot of money on a poor design. Pelli is a nut and his designs reflect that.
That is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this forum, and that's saying something.
It's sort of like saying that Albert Pujols is a poor baseball player.
Pelli has won the American Institute of Architects Gold Medal. That's the highest honor he can get in his profession.
Other AIA Gold Medal winners include Louis Sullivan, Richard Buckminster Fuller, I.M. Pei and Thomas Jefferson (yes, *that* Thomas Jefferson).
So to claim that Pelli is a nut or produces poor designs goes against an avalanche of facts.